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NEM
08-02-2007, 11:13 AM
Mar 13 2007, 04:40 PM


Will The Real "Manchurian Candidate" Please Stand Up

By

Mike Allen aka NEM



When Richard Condon wrote his cold war thriller, "The Manchurian Candidate", in 1959, he, probably, had no idea, or thought, that it would be played out, for real, within the confines of the United States.

And yet, after two film adaptations of his novel, here we are, in the United States of America, living it out, for real, the suspense, and the horror or controlling the mind of the most powerful man on the planet for the purpose of world wide dominance.

In the first film, in 1962, the plot followed the central concept of Condon's book, where the son of a powerful political family was brainwashed into becoming an unwilling assassin, for the Communist party.

The second version, released in 2004, while the plot still centers on a candidate brainwashed with the involvement of his mother and her own political aims, the mechanics of the story and the parties involved are quite different in cases.

This version brings us into the more modern world of today. The brainwashing is conducted by a large worldwide corportation that is a huge government contractor. (similar to the Carlyle Group) or similar to an oil and military services contractor (similar to Haliburton), with the end result to expand corporate influence as well as making themselves extremely wealthy through huge government contracts.

Now, before I continue, does any of this have a ring of familiarity?

Let's go back to 1992. Shortly after , what is called Gulf War I, and take a quick loolk at what is known as the PNAC…The Project For A New American Century and, The Clean Break Policy, which was written, and formulated in 1996.

If you're not familiar with those two items, lets take a brief look at the two of them, at least the names of the individuals who wrote them, and are responsible for them.

First, the PNAC, and a few of the contributors to it's birth.

Former members include prominent members of the Republican Party and the Bush Administration, including Richard Armitage, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Zalmay Khalilzad, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Richard Perle, former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.

A few others.Gary Bauer, former presidential candidate, president of American Values James B. Borow, former deputy director of the NSA, co-founder of the Illinois Center for Core Values Rudy Boschwitz, former US Senator from Minnesota Eliot A. Cohen, professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University Steve Forbes, multi-millionaire publisher of Forbes Magazine, former presidential candidate Aaron Friedberg, director of the Center of International Studies Frank Gaffney, columnist, founder of Center for Security Policy Fred Ikle, Center for Strategic and International Studies Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. ambassador Charles Krauthammer, conservative columnist Christopher Maletz Daniel McKivergan Norman Podhoretz, Hudson Institute Dan Quayle, former vice-president

Kind of looks like the gathering of neo con who's who, doesn't it?

How about The Clean Break Policy? Any familiar names amongst this group?





According to the report's preamble,[1] it was written by the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, which was a part of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle was the "Study Group Leader", but the final report included ideas from James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser.

The following paragraphs are excerpts from the Wikipedia outline of The Clean Break Policy.

Commentator Karen Kwiatkowski has pointed to the similarities between the proposed actions in the Clean Break document, and the subsequent 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Patrick J. Buchanan, in reference to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the report, wrote that "Their plan, which urged Israel to re-establish 'the principle of preemption,' has now been imposed by Perle, Feith, Wurmser & Co. on the United States."

George Packer, in his 2005 non-fiction analysis of the Iraq war The Assassins' Gate, explicates the Clean Break report "through the lens of Wurmser's subsequent AEI-published volume, which argued (in 1999) that America's taking out Saddam would solve Israel's strategic problems and leave the Palestinians essentially helpless."

Phyllis Bennis has pointed to the similarities between the proposed actions in the Clean Break document, and the subsequent 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.

Sidney Blumenthal wrote in August 2006 that "In order to try to understand the neoconservative road map, senior national security professionals have begun circulating among themselves a 1996 neocon manifesto against the Middle East

peace process."

With all of that being said, how does that bring us to the title of my story, "Will The Real "Manchurian Candidate Please Stand Up?"

It's really very simple. Even with all that this group of neo cons planned, and wrote, they had no way of implementing it while a Democrat was in the office of the presidency.

It was then that they decided that the only way they could put the wheels in motion was to control the White House, and , moreso, to control the occupant of the White House.

That was where George W. Bush came along, for he was the perfect candidate to fill the mold of their "Manchurian Candidate."

George had a recognizable name. His father, of course, being the 41st president of the United States. He was, allegedly, a re-born Christian, perfect to gather in the southern bible belt vote.

His mind, so some believe, including yours truly, had been warped by years of excessive drinking and the use of hard, very hard drugs. For all intents and purposes, he had become a simpleton, or at least, had become even more simple minded than he had been before his drug, and alcohol usage.

Here was a man, George W. Bush, with the mind of a boob, and yet he had the name power, and the following of a radical hordes of religious fanatics, that he just might be able to get elected to the presidency, with a little help, of course.

So, the plan was put into motion to get their "Manchurian Candidate" into the White House….and, it almost failed, if not for one of their fellow neo cons, the one who stays under the radar most of the time, James Baker, to come to the rescue and with a little twisting and bending, managed to get the Supreme Court to anoint Bush as the first Fascist Dictator of the United States.

The plan needed a control, though. Much like in Condon's novel, they needed a "Queen of Diamonds" to trigger their man….. To get him to do their bidding…..

Who was it that they could rely on?

Well, if you all recall, before the election, George W. Bush need ed to get a running mate. So, his dad, the elder Bush, sent him Dick Cheney, one of his long time confidants. He told little Georgy that the nice man, Mister Cheney, would go out and search, and search, the entire country and come back with the "right man" to be on the ticket as VP candidate.

And, as we now know, Cheney did EXACTLY that, he came back, told George that he had found the PERFECT choice to be the Vice President…….HIMSELF.

The Queen of Diamonds, the TRIGGER, was now in place.

The election came, and George W. Bush was in the oval office. But, how would they accomplish their goals, how would they get him to , unknowingly, implement the PNAC and the Clean Break Policy?

September 11, 2001 happened, and it gave them the opportunity they had waited so long for…… World Domination, beginning with domination of the middle east.

George w. Bush had carried with him, for many years, a hatred for Saddam Hussein. It was Hussein who allegedly had attempted to put an assassination attempt out against W's father.

And ever since that day, W had carried his hatred, his desire to eliminate Saddam Hussein, no matter the cost.

So they begin to imbed it in his head, Saddam was a bad man, Saddam had WMD's, Saddam was a threat to America, Saddam this, Saddam that. They were triggering their "Manchurian Candidate."

They got him to lie, to deceive the American congress, the American people, and they got him to implement what was written in the Clean Break Policy as the first step towards fulfilling their goals.

And, they would do so by using the simplistic mind of George W. Bush to get it all accomplished.

By telling Bush that he would have the opportunity of fulfilling his long time agenda, it enabled George W. Bush to fulfill his vendetta, while at the same time, all of those that had spent nearly 20 years waiting for the opportunity, they were about to reap the spoils of what they had planned, and planned, and planned.

And only until George W. Bush entered the scene, they had to wait…. Until, on January 20th, 2001, on a cold day in Washington D.C., they had what they needed, in place…. And all that needed was for the right moment to occur and they would then, pull the trigger, and unleash the REAL MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, George W. Bush.

And today, we are where we are, because of a book written, in 1959, by Richard Condon, "The Manchurian Candidate."

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The Praetorian
08-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Hey, codger - one thread is enough already.

The Praetorian
08-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Oh, and just so you're aware - these are really tired ideas that have been discussed here roughly 200 or so times during your 3 year hiatus. Wanna see it play out in debate? Do a search on PNAC.

Welcome back, NEM. :)

NEM
08-02-2007, 05:52 PM
Oh, and just so you're aware - these are really tired ideas that have been discussed here roughly 200 or so times during your 3 year hiatus. Wanna see it play out in debate? Do a search on PNAC.

Welcome back, NEM. :)

I've got all that stuff, have had for years. ANd, yes, it's been mentioned before, but never in the context that I have written, and how Bush is triggered, and why.

My theory is new, different, and totally accurate, IMO.

Thanks for the welcome.

Foolsworth
08-02-2007, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=NEM]Mar 13 2007, 04:40 PM


Will The Real "Manchurian Candidate" Please Stand Up

By

Mike Allen aka NEM



I'm a Film Buff and wrote many reviews.
- The Manchurian Candidate - {1962} was a flop as a movie.
Don't let anyone fool ya.Frankenheimer is a Great Director.
But that movie was a Bomb.It was long,tedious,too complicated and
did not at all connect with Moviegoers.It lacked tha basics
of an interesting storyline with true-to-life characterization.
I could name probably 12 movies,of it's ilk & era,that were of lesser
budget and yet very intriguing.That movie offered Nothing.

I know,the Faux powers in the Film world,thw same that try and
Re-invent true Film Noir,have tried to resurrect the movie,with
poor results.
The reason being... If it's too hard to follow and summarily contrived
than it probably IS.I had a Movie buddy who liked that kinda stuff.
The most Complicated Ingmar Bergman Movie,was his Fav.
- Brazil - was another favorite.
I can't stand movies,that leave the viewer,more clueless,after than
before.My Movie theory is simple.
A successful Movie will leave one thinking,as he leaves the theatre.
If it's a Comedy,they'll feel good and maybe upbeat.
If it's a Horror, be scared and trepidatious.
If it's a Mystery, be hashing over the storyline and ending scene.
If it's a Drama,one will be touched and moved.
If it's a Documentary,they'll be awed or overwhelmed.

This business Bush isn't smart or his own man,is sloppy.
I don't think Major League baseball would allow for a
Dummy as an owner.Well Maybe Marge Schott.But she had years of
business experience as an office gal and car dealer.Then the Reds.
This business that the Neocons have some kind of intricate network
of like-minded control freaks,just itchin to take over suspect
nations,is ludicrous.
Like The Clintons,decrying - " it's all a vast Right-wing conspiracy " -
every time they git themselves in a pickle.

In the end,most cospiracy is just unrealized morbid paranoia.

NEM
08-02-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm a Film Buff and wrote many reviews.
- The Manchurian Candidate - {1962} was a flop as a movie.
Don't let anyone fool ya.Frankenheimer is a Great Director.
But that movie was a Bomb.It was long,tedious,too complicated and
did not at all connect with Moviegoers.It lacked tha basics
of an interesting storyline with true-to-life characterization.
I could name probably 12 movies,of it's ilk & era,that were of lesser
budget and yet very intriguing.That movie offered Nothing.

While it may have been, what you describe as a bomb, it was a fairly interesting and exciting movie for it's time. Compared to today's movies, and the special effects available, and modern technology, today's audience would not enjoy it as we did when it was first available, in 1962..NEM

I know,the Faux powers in the Film world,thw same that try and
Re-invent true Film Noir,have tried to resurrect the movie,with
poor results.
The reason being... If it's too hard to follow and summarily contrived
than it probably IS.

I, for one, had no problem following either version, although I didnt like the lsecond one half as much as the original.....NEM

I had a Movie buddy who liked that kinda stuff.
The most Complicated Ingmar Bergman Movie,was his Fav.
- Brazil - was another favorite.
I can't stand movies,that leave the viewer,more clueless,after than
before.My Movie theory is simple.
A successful Movie will leave one thinking,as he leaves the theatre.
If it's a Comedy,they'll feel good and maybe upbeat.
If it's a Horror, be scared and trepidatious.
If it's a Mystery, be hashing over the storyline and ending scene.
If it's a Drama,one will be touched and moved.
If it's a Documentary,they'll be awed or overwhelmed.

This business Bush isn't smart or his own man,is sloppy.
I don't think Major League baseball would allow for a
Dummy as an owner.

That may be true, but they certainly would allow the son of a president, or the former head of the cia, etc.... And, let us not forget that anaother of Bush's brilliant moments was trading away an obscure player named Sammy Sosa....NEM

Well Maybe Marge Schott.But she had years of
business experience as an office gal and car dealer.Then the Reds.
This business that the Neocons have some kind of intricate network
of like-minded control freaks,just itchin to take over suspect
nations,is ludicrous.
Like The Clintons,decrying - " it's all a vast Right-wing conspiracy " -
every time they git themselves in a pickle.

In the end,most cospiracy is just unrealized morbid paranoia
Except when conspiracy becomes reality, as it will be proven in this instance....NEM
.

............................

LiquidFork
08-02-2007, 09:19 PM
WOAH..... But wait I have a better twist for you to evolve your conspiricy theoryinto something a sci fi geek would be prouid of. Make the SKULLS that wacky and zanny secret group that all the major masters of industy,corporate,and political america are a part of be behind it. And at the top of that secret super group is its diabolical leader Madonna and her first hand man Pauly Shore.I think i am going to quit my job and sell ocean front property in the everglades to some of the people to post on here. But dont worry i am taking excellent "STOCK" on the people here.

NEM
08-02-2007, 09:45 PM
WOAH..... But wait I have a better twist for you to evolve your conspiricy theoryinto something a sci fi geek would be prouid of. Make the SKULLS that wacky and zanny secret group that all the major masters of industy,corporate,and political america are a part of be behind it. And at the top of that secret super group is its diabolical leader Madonna and her first hand man Pauly Shore.I think i am going to quit my job and sell ocean front property in the everglades to some of the people to post on here. But dont worry i am taking excellent "STOCK" on the people here.

My "Conspiracy Theory" is dead on target. Bush was their Manchurian Candidate, Cheney the Queen of Diamonds. Of that there is absolutely no doubt.

I am just trying to decide who should play me in the Movie, "Will The Real Manchurian Candidate Please Stand Up."

I will just do a quick cameo walk on, like Steven King does when they make movies out of his books.

I'm trying to decide between Bruce Willis or Sylvester Stallone. :)

Foolsworth
08-02-2007, 10:39 PM
............................

The simpliest of reasons to like a Movie,are often best.
It's a gut reaction.One's first feelings.If one has to log
minutes,convincing themself,that what they just saw was
indeed good,than it proilly wasn't.

I'm a big fan of 60's B & W Political thrillers.
I just never Liked or saw the import of Manchurian.
In fact,i've actually spent significant time trying to understand
why I don't like it.
I find it Boring.
Too hard to follow.
Miss a Scene,and yer in trouble.
There's really no timing to the Movie.
Timing is everything in a Great Movie.
No Sound score.
Really No beginning,middle or end.
Just pathetic attempts to use flashbacks and hyperextended
timeframe,as if that makes up for lack of cohesion.
Could you explain who the Protagonist is.?
Who the Nemesis or arch-nemesis are.?
They have to be readily defined,so the viewer can formulate
a bond as to who they are rooting for.Or Against.

Frogger
08-03-2007, 05:57 AM
NEM is like Dharmabum with a better command of the English language. Just another, 'those damned evil Republicans' poster posting tired, rehashed conspiracy theories.

dharmabum
08-03-2007, 08:57 AM
Frogger,

Why do you feel the need to constantly mention me in your posts? Even in threads I have not been involved in.

Get over me already. :rolleyes:

Frogger
08-03-2007, 08:59 AM
Frogger,

Why do you feel the need to constantly mention me in your posts? Even in threads I have not been involved in.

Get over me already. :rolleyes:

I mention you because I am fascinated by your ability to blame GWB for every ill in the world short of bird flu and I am sure you will also blame for that eventually. You are one of the most brazenly ideologic posters I have ever come across so whenever I see another ideologue your name just pops into my head.

dharmabum
08-03-2007, 09:05 AM
Frogger,

Frankly you are starting to sound like you are obsessed with me.

Get over me already.

Frogger
08-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Yes, NEM lite. Whatever you say.

Foolsworth
08-03-2007, 09:09 AM
[QUOTE=NEM]My "Conspiracy Theory" is dead on target. Bush was their Manchurian Candidate, Cheney the Queen of Diamonds. Of that there is absolutely no doubt.


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WHAT ? no mention of Halliburton.
Sounds half-cocked to me.

Foolsworth
08-03-2007, 09:13 AM
Frogger,

Frankly you are starting to sound like you are obsessed with me.

Get over me already.

There was a time,not too yore ago,when damn nears everbody
was kinda putz-off by you.
I don't suppose you want to Relive those good 'ol Days.{ ? }
That was { rhetorical } !

dharmabum
08-03-2007, 09:19 AM
Fool,

As usual, you make no sense.

Frogger
08-03-2007, 09:20 AM
There was a time,not too yore ago,when damn nears everbody
was kinda putz-off by you.
I don't suppose you want to Relive those good 'ol Days.{ ? }
That was { rhetorical } !


Not that long ago, Fooly. In fact it is still the case.

Foolsworth
08-03-2007, 09:27 AM
Not that long ago, Fooly. In fact it is still the case.

So,like should we Reopen the case file { ? }
Again { rhetorical }

The Praetorian
08-03-2007, 10:06 AM
[QUOTE=NEM]My "Conspiracy Theory" is dead on target. Bush was their Manchurian Candidate, Cheney the Queen of Diamonds. Of that there is absolutely no doubt.


**************************************
WHAT ? no mention of Halliburton.
Sounds half-cocked to me.
:lolhit:

Now THAT was great!

LiquidFork
08-09-2007, 10:42 PM
Dude.... i am new here and have sparred with dharmabum on a few issues. I dont like him. I dont like what he stands for. I think he is a dolt.. But Frog and fools you guys either need to ask dharmabum to your prom or leave him alone. I mean you two are like a bunch of babies. i seen you attack him on other threads too. Get a grip.

dharmabum
08-09-2007, 11:18 PM
Dude.... i am new here and have sparred with dharmabum on a few issues. I dont like him. I dont like what he stands for.

You don't like Liberty and Justice?

:thumbs:

Evil Homer
08-10-2007, 09:49 AM
It's a damn Freemason plot. They've been behind every major political move since the corrupt bargain of the election of 1824.

moderate
08-10-2007, 09:57 AM
You don't like Liberty and Justice?

:thumbs:


So you call taking right to make a choice away from people Liberty & Justice?

LiquidFork
08-10-2007, 01:28 PM
You don't like Liberty and Justice?

:thumbs:

Come on man I was trying to stick up for you. Dont make me regret it

The Praetorian
08-10-2007, 03:04 PM
Come on man I was trying to stick up for you. Dont make me regret it
Oh, rest assured, you will. He's the most resilient prick we have here. Despite being disliked by, well, pretty much everyone on Allforums, he continues to stick around. He's the human equivalent of packed dog shit in the grooves of your shoe. You can try rinsing it with water, using a stick, or continual wiping, but nothing shakes the fecal debris that's Dharma. Just make fun of him like everyone else does, and call it a day.