A lot of people say that "conversation" with an 18 year old is pointless, but trust me, most men don't care, for that's not what they're after.

What about 13-year-olds? I just watched an episode of TCAP last night and in every one of the cases, the decoys said (repeatedly) that they were 13 years old. Most of the men they were chatting with made some sort of comment about how they could be put in jail for having anything to do with someone that young.

But it sure as hell didn't stop them from showing up at the house with condoms, booze, etc.

And when Chris Hansen showed up, most of them admitted that they'd seen the show and knew what they were doing was AGAINST THE LAW.

Still didn't stop them.

If they wanted a decent conversation, then they'd be talking to their broker.

Exactly. What on earth would a 25-45 year old have to discuss with a 13-year old child?

Sure, these fuckers deserve trials - that's how our system works, and I agree with it 100% - but you cannot tell me that they showed up at those houses to have an innocent conversation with a kid. It's absurd on the face of it.

:mad:

What about 13-year-olds?
Oh, I agree completely. Unless, of course, the 13 year old in question looks 16 - then, all bets are off. ;)

All (sick) humor aside, I find it morally repugnant, and personally, I believe it should be punished by either a 250,000-dollar fine or a 10-year stay in any federal prison of your choice (for your first offense, that is).
I just watched an episode of TCAP last night and in every one of the cases, the decoys said (repeatedly) that they were 13 years old. Most of the men they were chatting with made some sort of comment about how they could be put in jail for having anything to do with someone that young.
Sure, they knew it was wrong. They were indulging a fantasy that was so taboo, it was dangerous. Not saying that I understand finding a 13 year old sexually attractive, but psychologically speaking, and being male myself, I can say with some degree of certainty what piqued their interest. Men are predatory by nature - we like sex and lots of it. At least, I don't think I'm unique in that sense.
But it sure as hell didn't stop them from showing up at the house with condoms, booze, etc.
Yep - pretty much the same things we bring when we're trying to bed, well.....anyone else for that matter.
And when Chris Hansen showed up, most of them admitted that they'd seen the show and knew what they were doing was AGAINST THE LAW.

Still didn't stop them.
Enter the element of it being taboo and couple it with the (rather uniquely twisted, but nevertheless) male sex drive, and you've got a recipe for disaster. They can have IQs in excess of 150, but let's be honest here - men think with their cocks, period.
Exactly. What on earth would a 25-45 year old have to discuss with a 13-year old child?
Sure, you're totally right - they were there to fuck 'em (or, at a minimum, try to), end of story. Just because they're guilty as sin doesn't mean NBC should have carte blanche to ruin their lives. The punishment should fit the crime here.

Just because they're guilty as sin doesn't mean NBC should have carte blanche to ruin their lives.

Gotta disagree with you here, Prae. They ruined their own lives when they decided it would be fun to have sex with a child. No one forced them. No one entrapped them. No one gave them the OK to follow their twisted desires.

They knew the risks and went for it anyway. The resulting consequences (whatever they may be: arrest, public humiliation, jail time, etc.) are their own doing, because they clearly knew it was wrong before they drove over to that house. Hell, they knew it was wrong just chatting online with these (decoy) children.

Here's the bottom line: You makes your bets and you takes your chances. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the time. Besides, arrests and legal actions are considered public information, so IMO, NBC has every right to publicize such depravity.



(Note: I feel exactly the same way about adult women and young boys. It's equally sick, twisted, and AGAINST THE LAW.)

Gotta disagree with you here, Prae. They ruined their own lives when they decided it would be fun to have sex with a child. No one forced them. No one entrapped them. No one gave them the OK to follow their twisted desires.

They knew the risks and went for it anyway. The resulting consequences (whatever they may be: arrest, public humiliation, jail time, etc.) are their own doing, because they clearly knew it was wrong before they drove over to that house. Hell, they knew it was wrong just chatting online with these (decoy) children.

Here's the bottom line: You makes your bets and you takes your chances. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the time. Besides, arrests and legal actions are considered public information, so IMO, NBC has every right to publicize such depravity.



(Note: I feel exactly the same way about adult women and young boys. It's equally sick, twisted, and AGAINST THE LAW.)

:drinktoth

Thanks, Frannie....I agree wholeheartedly!!

Gotta disagree with you here, Prae. They ruined their own lives when they decided it would be fun to have sex with a child. No one forced them. No one entrapped them. No one gave them the OK to follow their twisted desires.
Fair enough, but Frannie - what harm was done? Really? Some of these people are doctors, lawyers, and business professionals, not rapists (well, not in the strictest sense, they're not). My guess is if the girl started to cry or say no, then most (probably to the tune of 99%) of these sick bastards wouldn't have done anything at all. They need professional help for their, well, "condition" (for lack of a better word here) - not to be stripped of their dignity PERMANENTLY, and well, possibly, their life. I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing the heinous intent behind their illness.

OTOH, I feel badly for some of the people who are levied charges against them for statutory "rape". Is it really fair to call a 19 year old BOY a "sex offender" if he beds a 16 year old girl (especially a "girl" who decided to tell him she was 18 at the time)? That's just not right.

You mean like in the Scopes trial - 1925; the Lindberg Kidnapping trial - 1932; the OJ Simpson trial - 1995, and all those in between and since.

As a matter of fact, yes.


The Scopes Trial was a set up and a media circus, the Lindberg case probably resulted in the conviction and execution of the wrong man and the Simpson trial was so blatantly made for television as to be disgusting.

Besides, arrests and legal actions are considered public information, so IMO, NBC has every right to publicize such depravity.
True, they do (and I believe it's a disgusting "right" they have, which they're now using to up their ratings), but let's get something nice and sparkling clear here - they're not just publicizing "depravity", they're ruining lives for profit before the person in question is convicted. Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

I'd be amenable to it if they aired the episodes AFTER (and only if) the person indicted for wrongdoing was actually convicted of the crime at hand. BTW, all proceeds from such a show should go to a charitable institution. Watch and see how much NBC cares about keeping the public "informed" then.

As a matter of fact, yes.


The Scopes Trial was a set up and a media circus, the Lindberg case probably resulted in the conviction and execution of the wrong man and the Simpson trial was so blatantly made for television as to be disgusting.
I have to say that I fully concur.

As a matter of fact, yes.


The Scopes Trial was a set up and a media circus, the Lindberg case probably resulted in the conviction and execution of the wrong man and the Simpson trial was so blatantly made for television as to be disgusting.


Do you really think Bruno Richard Hauptmann was innocent, Frogger?
The Governor of New Jersey thought so but was forced to sign his death warrant.

He was convicted upon this---

his handriting and phrasology matched the ransom notes

ransom money found in his garage

passed some of the ransom money

homemade ladder matched the wood in garage attic

I believe he was guilty but he had inside help--he knew exactly where to place the ladder in order to cart off the baby. A Lindbergh family maid later killed herself when the police came to question her for the second time.


I know this is off topic--maybe a thread on this spectacular case should be started in History. Don't get me started on Lizzie Borden....


edited because I misspelled Hauptmann

Yes, I honestly believe Hauptmann was convicted because he was German and there was a anti-German hysteria at the time.

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In 1932?

Don't answer that --- I'm on your ignore list.

I simply do not have any sympathy for anybody who searches out young victims to try and have sex with them...

No one else does either, but no one's asking you to sympathize with him. The fact that nobody sympathizes with him is no reason to deny him his rights under our criminal justice system.


...as he was clearly trying to do.

The problem is that you don't know that, you just assume he's guilty because of what was shown on a highly edited TV show whose main purpose, as Frogger pointed out, is to get good ratings, not tell the truth.

Yes, I honestly believe Hauptmann was convicted because he was German and there was a anti-German hysteria at the time.

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Kickass! I made your list twice! ;)

they're not just publicizing "depravity", they're ruining lives for profit before the person in question is convicted. Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

From all indications, there must be tens of thousands of men who prowl chat rooms looking for "sweet young thangs."

Here's a list (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9878187/)of the number of pervs TCAP/Perverted Justice have caught in the act:



Outside NYC area, 2004: 18 men in 2 1/2 days
Washington D.C. suburb, 2005: 19 men in 3 days
Southern California, 2006: 50 men in 3 days
Greenville, Ohio, 2006: 18 men in 3 days
Ft. Myers, Florida, : 2006 24 men in 3 days
Harris County, Ga., 2006: 20 men in 4 1/2 days
Petaluma, Calif., 2006: 29 men in 3 days
Long Beach, Calif., 2006: 38 men in 3 days
Murphy, Texas, 2006: 25 men
Flagler Beach, Fla., 2006: 21 men in 4 days
Ocean County, New Jersey, 2007: 28 men in 3 days

If not for them, each of those incidents would have resulted in a child being sexually abused by a fuckered up adult. So they make a profit on their TV shows; they deserve something for their efforts, don't you think?

As a matter of fact, yes.


The Scopes Trial was a set up and a media circus, the Lindberg case probably resulted in the conviction and execution of the wrong man and the Simpson trial was so blatantly made for television as to be disgusting.


The point is each of those were tried in the media, before the court. Nothing has changed in all these years. Many more cases could have been listed, but were not needed to make the point. IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Vile baby you are kinda being vague here honey.

Who is tossing aside "our criminal justice system" because they are outraged?

Everyone in this thread who has advocated punishment for this man, or even stated that they believe he is guilty of a crime. The presumption of innocence isn't a concept to be followed intermittently. This idea is the foundation of our criminal justice system, and all of our other rights under that system flow from it. If we lose sight of it even for a moment, or set it aside when our outrage is at its greatest, we'll lose our way as a civilization.

The only "evidence" anyone has seen was selected by a TV producer trying to sell advertising. There is no rational basis for using this information to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this man's guilt.

Here's a list (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9878187/)of the number of pervs TCAP/Perverted Justice have caught in the act:

In the act of doing what?


If not for them, each of those incidents would have resulted in a child being sexually abused by a fuckered up adult.

Pure supposition on your part.


So they make a profit on their TV shows; they deserve something for their efforts, don't you think?

You make it sound as though the profit motive is secondary. Do you honestly think these TV producers are doing it to help children?

They deserve our scorn for polluting our airwaves with this "entertainment".

There is no rational basis for using this information to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this man's guilt.

Except for the transcripts of their filthy online discussions with underage kids, which is an illegal activity.

Most of them also admit that they (not someone else using their computers) did discuss the sexual activities they want to do with those kids - illegal.

When confronted with the images of their genetalia which they sent to the decoys - also illegal - they usually own up to it.

They are under no obligation to talk to Chris Hansen; they can leave any time (and some do) - but they usually admit their dispicable deeds to him.

Once arrested, they also confess such things to the detectives interrogating them.

That's enough to convince me of their guilt, but I'm not the final arbiter. They must be tried in a court of law, and I'm all for that, but don't pretend "there's no rational reason to suspect their guilt." I mean, they're there, and THEY ADMIT TO IT. What more do you need?

Anyone know what the conviction rate is for the "suspected" pedophiles that appear on TCAP?

In the act of doing what?

Online sexual predation. They wouldn't be at that house if it never happened (how would they know how to get there, after all?). The simple action of showing up at the location and entering the house can be considered ‘Acts in Furtherance.’

Pure supposition on your part.

Are you saying that NONE of these men would have gone ahead with their plans if TCAP wasn't there?

You make it sound as though the profit motive is secondary. Do you honestly think these TV producers are doing it to help children?

Nope. It's a byproduct of their efforts. So what?

They deserve our scorn for polluting our airwaves with this "entertainment".

I completely disagree. They should get a medal for helping to get these SOBs off the internet/street.

Just here to say "yay, I'm not on Frogger's ignore list!"

...and with that, I will now be placed on Frogger's ignore list. :(

If NBC is so all fired altruistic, they should wait until after these people have been arrested, tried and found guilty, before airing any segment they might be on. Thus insuring each individual a fair trial, not a media event.

Except for the transcripts of their filthy online discussions with underage kids, which is an illegal activity.

Most of them also admit that they (not someone else using their computers) did discuss the sexual activities they want to do with those kids - illegal.

When confronted with the images of their genetalia which they sent to the decoys - also illegal - they usually own up to it.

They are under no obligation to talk to Chris Hansen; they can leave any time (and some do) - but they usually admit their dispicable deeds to him.

Once arrested, they also confess such things to the detectives interrogating them.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get all this information?


That's enough to convince me of their guilt, but I'm not the final arbiter. They must be tried in a court of law, and I'm all for that, but don't pretend "there's no rational reason to suspect their guilt." I mean, they're there, and THEY ADMIT TO IT. What more do you need?

I need this information to come out in a court of law. Until that happens, there is no reason at all to draw any legal conclusions as to their guilt or innocence. If you wish to make such decisions based on what you see on TV, be my guest. Please don't expect me to do the same. :)


Anyone know what the conviction rate is for the "suspected" pedophiles that appear on TCAP?

I suspect the producers pick and choose who gets to "appear" on the show.

OTOH, I feel badly for some of the people who are levied charges against them for statutory "rape". Is it really fair to call a 19 year old BOY a "sex offender" if he beds a 16 year old girl (especially a "girl" who decided to tell him she was 18 at the time)? That's just not right.
That's so true, Prae. Even though my boyfriend is 5 years older than me, my parents approve completely. It would be extremely silly if anyone called the police and reported him. Luckily I think the only people who can press charges are my parents since I'm over 16.

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Above quote edited for specificity.

Hey, how'd I get on your ignore list? What's up with that?

Above quote edited for specificity.

Hey, how'd I get on your ignore list? What's up with that?
LOL, he's joking.

No Foolie the actual teen on line is usually some big burly 40 year old detective. They scan the internet looking for vice. And this is one hell of a vice.



So explain..........why not this?


So,I'll admit I went off half-cocked on this.I've seen a
number of Dateline MSNBC Predator series.Never more than a few
minutes,each time.I also remember a case in Franklin County
or Cincinnatti Ohio,where 700 WLW Talk Radio commented
on the actual Prosecution of a Vice Sting,involving Police
posing as young Teens,in order to entrap a suspecting Predator.
If fact,Mike McConell of 700 WLW is of the same Opinion as me.
I don't believe there is some endemic problem with teen predators
running amuck and getting young teens all worked-up,to go out and
commit Sexual hookups.
Sometimes COPS just need a Donut Shop to pass the time.
I'm slightly ignurnt of the actual SOP of what Dateline
choreographs.

LOL, he's joking.Whew! :drinktoth
I keep expecting to get Ignored by both the Right and the Left. It's getting sorta lonely here in the middle...

"Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello..." (crickets chirping)

LOL! @ Frogger. XD

Hmm, TWO {2} Posters in a row,I have on Personal BAN.
Whoopee Dew !

Hmm, TWO {2} Posters in a row,I have on Personal BAN.
Whoopee Dew !You can't possibly have me on BAN, you chicken-neck, incoherant, wierd-crazy-nuts typing, left-right freak, George Bush loving coward!:drinktoth

incoherant, wierd
"Incoherent", "weird".

Irony's a bitch.

I'm surprised that FT or Dhrama haven't blamed this whole 'predator' thing on BushCo.

Purely an oversight, Silverbulletkc.

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I have now placed every single poster on ignore and can no longer see anything you post. In that way I will not be upset by reading something I might not agree with.

It seems Vilepagan is one of the few who really understands the ramifications of what NBC is doing. If we don't protect the rights of the most heinous among us none of our rights are safe. Equal protection under the law is an absolute not something that applies to crimes that are considered within the realm of quasi-acceptability and not to horrid, hateful crimes.

The man who committed suicide may very well have been the vile predator he is being depicted as. That does not affect his right to equal protection under the law one whit.

"Incoherent", "weird".

Irony's a bitch.I was speaking in his language!

Purely an oversight, Silverbulletkc.

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I'd like to see my name on there as well Frogger.:D

Not only did I get placed on his iggy list, I got listed in bold font! I must be evil or something!

You've been included, Turd.


The list is getting too long. From now on I want everyone to know that everyone is on my ignore list. I can't see you, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.

Purely an oversight, Silverbulletkc.

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I have now placed every single poster on ignore and can no longer see anything you post. In that way I will not be upset by reading something I might not agree with.
Frogger,

I find your post discouraging.

The PM I sent you a few days ago was meant to ease the waters between us. I firmly believe that although we have said many awful things to each other, we can move on and hopefully stop the bickering between us. The reason I believe this is because you have been very supportive of me going to college and because you debate the actual issues with me, you don’t automatically resort to personal and vindictive attacks like the posters on my ignore list.

The posters that I have on ignore, are not on ignore because I might disagree with them, because more often then not, I agree politically with Imp and Napster. They are on my ignore list because Napster, Imp and ES, as individuals, have shown me that no matter what I post, be it political or for fun, will rip into me with mean-spirited, personal, and usually un-true remarks. They don’t offer me anything but negativity and for every 1 eye-opening post they have, it seems they have 50 negative posts. It isn’t worth it. The number of negative and mean-spirited posts far out-weigh the 1 eye-opening post.

Please understand that I’m not afraid of people who disagree with me, I’m afraid of being sucked into another negative flame-war. These guys have more negative things to offer me then good, and once someone gets to that point, all the positive things they may have get washed away.

Thanks for understanding. :)

The posters that I have on ignore, are not on ignore because I might disagree with them, because more often then not, I agree politically with Imp and Napster. They are on my ignore list because Napster, Imp and ES, as individuals, have shown me that no matter what I post, be it political or for fun, will rip into me with mean-spirited, personal, and usually un-true remarks. They don’t offer me anything but negativity and for every 1 eye-opening post they have, it seems they have 50 negative posts. It isn’t worth it. The number of negative and mean-spirited posts far out-weigh the 1 eye-opening post.
I agree with you. But I'm also in the camp that putting that in your sig makes you seem vindictive and no better than they.

I agree with you. But I'm also in the camp that putting that in your sig makes you seem vindictive and no better than they.
If putting their names in my signature makes me "no better than they"...well, I'd suggest you go re-read some of the things they've said. :)

Honestly, putting their names in my signature was to make a statement and to let them know, without direct contact, that they don't need to bother responding to my posts. And thus, hopefully getting rid of some of the garbage Allforums has on it.

I could have done it a better way, but what's done is done and putting their names in my signature doesn't equal, in any way, shape or form, to the insults they've directed towards me.

They are on my ignore list because Napster, Imp and ES, as individuals, have shown me that no matter what I post, be it political or for fun, will rip into me with mean-spirited, personal, and usually un-true remarks.

What can I say? I hate the fucker! :cool:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17265956/

(scan thru the pics)

SMW

holy smokies... he just spoke on the phone and for that blew his head off....

wow.... that's tragic

Just out of curiosity, where did you get all this information?

I've seen the show. Have you?

I need this information to come out in a court of law. Until that happens, there is no reason at all to draw any legal conclusions as to their guilt or innocence.

Ah, but previously you said “There is no rational basis for using this information to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this man's guilt."

BIG difference.

From what comes out of these guys' mouths on the show, there are plenty of rational reasons to suspect their guilt.

And, as previously stated, I agree that these people need to appear in court to receive their legal punishment. But you can't tell me that sending pictures of your johnson to (what you believe to be) a kid isn't suspect. It sure as hell is against the law.

Everyone in this thread who has advocated punishment for this man, or even stated that they believe he is guilty of a crime. The presumption of innocence isn't a concept to be followed intermittently. This idea is the foundation of our criminal justice system, and all of our other rights under that system flow from it. If we lose sight of it even for a moment, or set it aside when our outrage is at its greatest, we'll lose our way as a civilization.

The only "evidence" anyone has seen was selected by a TV producer trying to sell advertising. There is no rational basis for using this information to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this man's guilt.

Yeah, yeah, you always "get me" ... :)

I know you are right... but honestly... I can't get past it. I can't even get through a full show... The show is smarmy.... the men are below that. Yes they are tried by the public... the first time I stumbled on it, I knew the show was wrong. The second time I watched it for a few minutes... I thought... TS, scum bags... and that is still how I feel.

I just couldn't be on that jury... and obviously neither could a great number of other posters here. Better to know that and recluse yourself. Seriously. No one is advocating hanging these guys on the spot. (But part of me would like to.) I wouldn't allow that but part of me would think oh well... save the system some money.

I hope I would not indulge it.

But if you speak to a child on-line and solicit sex.... I think you are guilty... Then if you turn up at the house.... slime ball. There is no further logic needed here for me. I can't get past it. I just can't.

Maybe it is because I was fortunate growing up and I just think every kid should have that advantage. It just twists people so badly when they are used that way as a child. They pay for it their whole life. And that is a travesty.

So,I'll admit I went off half-cocked on this.I've seen a
number of Dateline MSNBC Predator series.Never more than a few
minutes,each time.I also remember a case in Franklin County
or Cincinnatti Ohio,where 700 WLW Talk Radio commented
on the actual Prosecution of a Vice Sting,involving Police
posing as young Teens,in order to entrap a suspecting Predator.
If fact,Mike McConell of 700 WLW is of the same Opinion as me.
I don't believe there is some endemic problem with teen predators
running amuck and getting young teens all worked-up,to go out and
commit Sexual hookups.
Sometimes COPS just need a Donut Shop to pass the time.
I'm slightly ignurnt of the actual SOP of what Dateline
choreographs.

Yeah well, sometimes I just need a donut... ;)

For some reason I can't get past the "emotion" part of this. I CAN seeeeee the logic of what some of you are saying... and I know deep down it is right... I can't get there is all.

I've seen the show. Have you?



Ah, but previously you said “There is no rational basis for using this information to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this man's guilt."

BIG difference.

From what comes out of these guys' mouths on the show, there are plenty of rational reasons to suspect their guilt.

And, as previously stated, I agree that these people need to appear in court to receive their legal punishment. But you can't tell me that sending pictures of your johnson to (what you believe to be) a kid isn't suspect. It sure as hell is against the law.

See, I can't fucking get past that either... I can't... At that point I was done with these guys...

I'm totally with ~Sal~

Cool I'm on Frogger's ignore list :woohoo:

No one else does either, but no one's asking you to sympathize with him. The fact that nobody sympathizes with him is no reason to deny him his rights under our criminal justice system.



The problem is that you don't know that, you just assume he's guilty because of what was shown on a highly edited TV show whose main purpose, as Frogger pointed out, is to get good ratings, not tell the truth.

See post #145 by Sal. I agree that the people making the show are probably scumbags, for using it for ratings. I also agree that everybody deserves to be tried in a court of law, and not in the media. I also agree with Sal's post...I just can't get past what the obvious is and what these pervs are doing to children.....and, that will never change in my heart.

:)
Kimi

Purely an oversight, Silverbulletkc.

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(anyone else I forgot to name)



I have now placed every single poster on ignore and can no longer see anything you post. In that way I will not be upset by reading something I might not agree with.


I'm not there so you can read this....neener,neener.....:lolhit:

Sorry to veer a bit off track but Overdose deserves a response.


First off, get over yourself, Overdose. This is Allforums, not Overdoseforums. My ignore list was an attempt at humor, something most others were able to discern. Only you seem to have taken offense at it.

Part of the problem people have with you is your annoying intensity. With you everything is a personal attack even if you are only tangentially or peripherally involved. It is all about Overdose.

Of course I support your going to college. I hope you do well. I hope you do well in all your endeavors and have a wonderful life. I don't dislike you or wish you ill.

I do think you are sometimes overinflated and in love with yourself. Your ignore list is an example of that. You don't want to read post by certain people because they upset you. Fine. You also want to advertise that fact to the world. Less fine.

Sometimes your ego inflated balloon needs to have a bit of air let out of it. Learn to take it like a man and see the humor in it rather than yet once again boarding the Whine Train. The mewling and whinging is getting a bit old.

This is one of the most evenhanded and accurate assessments I've ever read. I agree completely. Well said, Frogger.

[QUOTE=Frogger]Sorry to veer a bit off track but Overdose deserves a response.


First off, get over yourself, Overdose. This is Allforums, not Overdoseforums. My ignore list was an attempt at humor, something most others were able to discern. Only you seem to have taken offense at it.

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Oh,I coulda swore it was some kinda CODE.Like those who dint make the list,were the actual
ones ON Ignore.
Butt,since you like Swearin,Soooooooooooo Mush,
I best stop hears,on account I don't wanna play too
much into yer hands.
I mean...leggs.
All Frog Giggin aside.

Huh?

OK, so Fool... how do you feel about cops parking a 'sting car' in a neighborhood known to be a haven for car thieves? Is that entrapment??

I feel the same way about this subject as I do about placing security cameras in downtown areas... if you're not doing anything wrong, you don't need to worry about it.

SMW

Some forms of Entrappment deal more with the Morale side of
Right & Wrong.Like is it Right to indulge in Drugs.
As long as no one is hurt or involved,besides you and the drug
dealer.Or visiting a Prostitute.
Yes,these things DO bring down Society as a whole.
But stealin opnes car,is far more a crime than askin a bunch of
pervert questions on the net,to someone you do not know,
let alone their age,gender or true intent.
Og course they've pretty much Eliminated Carjacking.
Made it so uncomfortable for those crimes,like Hihacking a plane,
one might as well,just carjack a brinks truck,loaded with moola.

First off, get over yourself, Overdose. This is Allforums, not Overdoseforums. My ignore list was an attempt at humor, something most others were able to discern. Only you seem to have taken offense at it.

Part of the problem people have with you is your annoying intensity. With you everything is a personal attack even if you are only tangentially or peripherally involved. It is all about Overdose.

The mewling and whinging is getting a bit old.
Well said indeed Frogger, I agree with it all! and if I may add, the above is the reason 'all forums is getting this way'.

Huh?

I think that's fools talk for 'I think your tractors sexy'. No idea.

Huh?

I read a post yesterday,about all the Swearin you dude.
I generally as a rule,don't memorize everything said by others.
Gee Louise,some herein like actually Know verbatim,exactly,word for
word what udder posters said.
All seems rather surreal,ta me.

Me swear? Oh, shit! Gee, man, I'm fuckin' sorry.

Me swear? Oh, shit! Gee, man, I'm fuckin' sorry.

So Sayeth that Dude with the girly "Id" name and was
Mr.PileOn,as of juts last week.
Yes,said "id" was listed on yer Coded Ignore List.
I mush ruther prefer a :
Personal Ban list.

Keep posting garbled garbage like that, Foolworthy and they will place the sig kiddie litter under your name in place of kiddie member so the crap can be more quickly :lolhit: soaked up.

Keep posting garbled garbage like that, Foolworthy and they will place the sig kiddie litter under your name in place of kiddie member so the crap can be more quickly :lolhit: soaked up.


All well & good.But that don't done diddy explain the humor
behind the coded Ignore list.
I was under the impression Humore made udders feel like
laughin.
That List only makes one wanna ball.
Ballin is Good.
Say,when was the last time you had yer balls hauled.?

First off, get over yourself, Overdose. This is Allforums, not Overdoseforums. My ignore list was an attempt at humor, something most others were able to discern. Only you seem to have taken offense at it.
No one else has an ignore list, so obviously no one else would be offended, except me. How could you not understand that? :@@:

Part of the problem people have with you is your annoying intensity. With you everything is a personal attack even if you are only tangentially or peripherally involved. It is all about Overdose.
Yes. You putting up a fake ignore list had nothing to do with me. :rolleyes:

Part of the problem with you is that you tend to accuse people of their personality flaws and provoke people in "suttle" ways and then when people call you on it, you just say, "Oh, get over it! You are blowing it out of proportion!" And to be honest, that's a bully mentality.

Of course I support your going to college. I hope you do well. I hope you do well in all your endeavors and have a wonderful life. I don't dislike you or wish you ill.
The people who are still on my ignore list do wish me ill. That's the difference between you and them. I don't know how much clearer I can make that.

I do think you are sometimes overinflated and in love with yourself. Your ignore list is an example of that. You don't want to read post by certain people because they upset you. Fine. You also want to advertise that fact to the world. Less fine.
Yes. If someone is only going to post negative and hurtful things about me and always try and get me involved in a flame war, why should I choose to keep reading their posts? Come on, use some logic.

Sometimes your ego inflated balloon needs to have a bit of air let out of it. Learn to take it like a man and see the humor in it rather than yet once again boarding the Whine Train. The mewling and whinging is getting a bit old.
Ah, the one who makes all the jokes, but never gets any in return, is always the one who says "get over it". Funny how that tends to work. :rolleyes:

PS: The very people who keep on giving me attention for every little thing I say and do, are the ones who are making it Overdoseforums. That'd be you, Frogger. :)

Your post almost perfectly illustrates what I was trying to tell you, Overdose. I was not trying to be mean to you but, rather, to give you a little bit of friendly advice.

You whine far too much. You have graduated from high school and are now considered on the threshold of manhood. It is time to be a man and stop whining like a little child. Learn to suck it up and take it instead of always acting the victim.

The smartest thing you could have done was treat my ignore list as a joke and join in. The next smartest thing would have been to ignore it. You chose the dumbest thing you could do. You whined about it.

Exactly what type impression are you trying to leave with people? Do you wish to be considered an adult poster, adding to discussions or a whiney little child who can only talk about how things affect him personally?

It is really time for you to make a decision on how you want the rest of the posters to see you.

It is really time for you to make a decision on how you want the rest of the posters to see you.

I think that ship has sailed Frogger.

* yawn *

Is it time for supper yet? Say, what's on TV tonight?

Your post almost perfectly illustrates what I was trying to tell you, Overdose. I was not trying to be mean to you but, rather, to give you a little bit of friendly advice.

You whine far too much. You have graduated from high school and are now considered on the threshold of manhood. It is time to be a man and stop whining like a little child. Learn to suck it up and take it instead of always acting the victim.

The smartest thing you could have done was treat my ignore list as a joke and join in. The next smartest thing would have been to ignore it. You chose the dumbest thing you could do. You whined about it.

Exactly what type impression are you trying to leave with people? Do you wish to be considered an adult poster, adding to discussions or a whiney little child who can only talk about how things affect him personally?

It is really time for you to make a decision on how you want the rest of the posters to see you.

Say,what gives with all the little paraghraphs.?
Yer not like one a them Bundt Cake guys.
Always with the Bundt Cakes,they are.
Always with the little paragraph,You are.
Always on the FLUTED sides,also.

No one else has an ignore list, so obviously no one else would be offended, except me.Not true!

I have an ignore list too and I'm just as offended as you are! :eek:

I'm in Montana right now, and there was a terrific lightning show last night. :)

Not true!

I have an ignore list too and I'm just as offended as you are! :eek:

What does one have to write to make the list.?
And please don't say ...TOO Mush Truth.
That's a provable fallacy.

Did you know that the elephant is the only animal that cannot jump?

You whine far too much. You have graduated from high school and are now considered on the threshold of manhood. It is time to be a man and stop whining like a little child. Learn to suck it up and take it instead of always acting the victim.
You have recently whined about Dharama's "insane" liberal posts and about Evakian "crossing the line" with his post about your daughter. And it seems you love to whine about how much of a supposed "whiner" I am. I find all of that pretty funny. :)

And it seems when Sparky speaks out about why Allforums is becoming a hell-hole, no one says he's "whining" about it. But when I complain that something is wrong and needs to change, I'm a "whiner". Seriously Frogger, and all the other OD haters, drop the double standard.

The smartest thing you could have done was treat my ignore list as a joke and join in. The next smartest thing would have been to ignore it. You chose the dumbest thing you could do. You whined about it.
I'm so sick of that bullshit title. People complain about things they don't like. We all do it. And you do it regularly. But it seems I'm the one who gets the title of being a "whiner". Well, you can keep calling me that, but my perspective is that those who compalin are those who work for change. Those who never complain...or "whine" as you call it, never provoke or cause change.

Exactly what type impression are you trying to leave with people? Do you wish to be considered an adult poster, adding to discussions or a whiney little child who can only talk about how things affect him personally?
Until the discussions reach an adult level, I don't think I'll stop complaining or whining about them. Because what's the point of being an "adult-poster" when the forum has immature, child-like debates, where people throw insults at each other like we are in Junior High all over again.

It is really time for you to make a decision on how you want the rest of the posters to see you.
Yes, King Frogger.

It seems you feel as though you are above everyone else on here and that everyone should "listen" to what you have to say. Give me a break.

Yesterday, I spent some time working with rare Indian artifacts from the Battle of the Little Bighorn. Today, I spent a few hours chatting with Joe Medicine Crow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow). What a thoroughly interesting, NICE man. :)

did you see the place where the indians drove all the buffalo off the cliff?

did you see the place where the indians drove all the buffalo off the cliff?

Haven't been out there this visit, but I have in the past. :)

As much disdain as I hold for the current (generally selfish, lazy-ass) generation of Indians, the old folks are the most interesting, amazing humans. They'd give you the shirt off their backs if you needed it (and you wouldn't even have to ask). :thumbs:

:lolhit: @ Frannie!

Did you know that the elephant is the only animal that cannot jump?
Along with most species of fish, sponges, sea anemones, corals, jellyfish, comb jellies, worms, snails, clams, squids...

did you see the place where the indians drove all the buffalo off the cliff?

" all " ? the buffalo...eh.?
Dint you meanie Those Buffalo.
Y'see this is how ALLforums Posters run into trouble.
They say things that can't possibly be true,yet insist so.
Y'know kinda like a widdle kid,at home eatin supper with his
parents,tellin how Busty the New asst.teach is.
Same damn thingy.

Along with most species of fish, sponges, sea anemones, corals, jellyfish, comb jellies, worms, snails, clams, squids...

Ok. Ok. Get picky, why don't you? :D

I shall restate: The elephant is the only MAMMAL that cannot jump. Nyeah!

I shall restate: The elephant is the only MAMMAL that cannot jump. Nyeah!

You haven't seen my cat. :)

Ok. Ok. Get picky, why don't you? :D

I shall restate: The elephant is the only MAMMAL that cannot jump. Nyeah!
Sloths, hippos, sea cows and various burrowing rodents...

Whales, dolphins,...one-legged orangutans...unless hopping counts ;)

[QUOTE=Vilepagan]Whales, dolphins,...one-legged orangutans...unless hopping counts ;)[/QUOTE

Hopless Heathens ?
Umm,strike dat.

Hapless Atheists,bitter still !

I thought White Men were the only mammals that can't jump...


Now I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the creators of "White Men Can't Jump" for maliciously decieving me all these years!

I thought White Men were the only mammals that can't jump...


Now I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the creators of "White Men Can't Jump" for maliciously decieving me all these years!


:lolhit:
now that you mention it.......

Both Whales and Dolphins are capable of executing some quite fantastic looking leaps and dives.

[QUOTE=Evil Homer]I thought White Men were the only mammals that can't jump...


Weld,just Imagine what wood bee if :
"Pistol Pete " Maravich
He still holds the NCAA Record for *Highest Ave. and that
was 4 full years.
He holds many records,in fact.
-------------------------------------------------
White Men Rule !
That's a Fact


* 44.2 per game Avg. w/o benefit of 3 point line !

Both Whales and Dolphins are capable of executing some quite fantastic looking leaps and dives.

so is my Beta... :D

It's not usually me that gets a thread back to topic... but I watched the last installment of the NJ sting on Dateline last night. After reading some of the comments posted here, I kinda watched for signs of entrapment. There weren't any.

Besides, the men were charged with SOLICITATION OF SEX WITH A MINOR, not actually carrying out the deed, so once they showed up, they were guilty as hell.

28 were caught in the last sting. And over 100 men have pleaded guilty so far.

But the thing that still boggles the mind is... a great many of them had seen previous episodes and even stated they were 'scared' of being caught. But there they were! Ages ranged from 22 to 60... and all believed the girl was only 14.

A part of me agrees with Frogger in that it seems weird to have a television show catching criminals and increasing ratings at the same time. But I also think the internet has enabled some criminals (like child sex predators) and the old tried & true sting methods won't necessarily work anymore. Change begats change.

:)
SMW

Good post, Smarty....thanks!

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]It's not usually me that gets a thread back to topic... but I watched the last installment of the NJ sting on Dateline last night. After reading some of the comments posted here, I kinda watched for signs of entrapment. There weren't any.

Besides, the men were charged with SOLICITATION OF SEX WITH A MINOR, not actually carrying out the deed, so once they showed up, they were guilty as hell.

28 were caught in the last sting. And over 100 men have pleaded guilty so far.

But the thing that still boggles the mind is... a great many of them had seen previous episodes and even stated they were 'scared' of being caught. But there they were! Ages ranged from 22 to 60... and all believed the girl was only 14.

A part of me agrees with Frogger in that it seems weird to have a television show catching criminals and increasing ratings at the same time. But I also think the internet has enabled some criminals (like child sex predators) and the old tried & true sting methods won't necessarily work anymore. Change begats change.

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How can an operation {sting} that Lures Internet predators anf then
stages the bust,even set-up shop {place to hook-up} NOT Be
Entrappment.?
The one case in Cincy,had undercover Cops,posing as
young teens,and then Pop the guy {school teach I believe}
when the opportunity arose ro close the Dragnet.
I mean,where not taliin some Country Hick cop,parked
under some remote Country Bridge,and switchin the Red Light,
to snare Tourists with traffic violations.
But that happens also.

Do you think it is possible they want to get caught? Maybe some of them know (on some level) that they are in deep trouble psychologically and thus act out knowing this will end it?

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]It's not usually me that gets a thread back to topic... but I watched the last installment of the NJ sting on Dateline last night. After reading some of the comments posted here, I kinda watched for signs of entrapment. There weren't any.

Besides, the men were charged with SOLICITATION OF SEX WITH A MINOR, not actually carrying out the deed, so once they showed up, they were guilty as hell.

28 were caught in the last sting. And over 100 men have pleaded guilty so far.

But the thing that still boggles the mind is... a great many of them had seen previous episodes and even stated they were 'scared' of being caught. But there they were! Ages ranged from 22 to 60... and all believed the girl was only 14.

A part of me agrees with Frogger in that it seems weird to have a television show catching criminals and increasing ratings at the same time. But I also think the internet has enabled some criminals (like child sex predators) and the old tried & true sting methods won't necessarily work anymore. Change begats change.

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How can an operation {sting} that Lures Internet predators anf then
stages the bust,even set-up shop {place to hook-up} NOT Be
Entrappment.?
The one case in Cincy,had undercover Cops,posing as
young teens,and then Pop the guy {school teach I believe}
when the opportunity arose ro close the Dragnet.
I mean,where not taliin some Country Hick cop,parked
under some remote Country Bridge,and switchin the Red Light,
to snare Tourists with traffic violations.
But that happens also.
Define LURES, Fool. Like making someone drive 6 hours from PA to have sex with a child? While they're still on probation for actually having sex with a child??

They're very specific on one point -- the decoy never initiates the sex talk.

Strange to me how anyone can DEFEND these predators. Guess it's less strange that only men seem to do so.

SMW

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]
Define LURES, Fool. Like making someone drive 6 hours from PA to have sex with a child? While they're still on probation for actually having sex with a child??

They're very specific on one point -- the decoy never initiates the sex talk.

Strange to me how anyone can DEFEND these predators. Guess it's less strange that only men seem to do so.

SMW

" Lure " as in entice.The one case in Cincy,involved a Sting that
used cops,posing as young teens.I don't care about who
initiated the sex talk first.That's Bullshit.
I guess Dateline,relies on Internet Watchdog,to search out
Internet Chat rooms,and then just so happens to have a hook-up
place,and willing teen on hand for the bust.
It's all a form of Liberalism run amuck.Hillary and her
- " It Takes a Village " Mindset.Big Brother,closin in.
If little teen girls,are engaging in sex talk on the net,that's one thing.
But I'm not buyin the Premise of Dateline.That beaing that this Internet
predator Sex Chat stuff results in REAL Underage Sexual Hook-ups.

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]

" Lure " as in entice.The one case in Cincy,involved a Sting that
used cops,posing as young teens.I don't care about who
initiated the sex talk first.That's Bullshit.
I guess Dateline,relies on Internet Watchdog,to search out
Internet Chat rooms,and then just so happens to have a hook-up
place,and willing teen on hand for the bust.
It's all a form of Liberalism run amuck.Hillary and her
- " It Takes a Village " Mindset.Big Brother,closin in.
If little teen girls,are engaging in sex talk on the net,that's one thing.
But I'm not buyin the Premise of Dateline.That beaing that this Internet
predator Sex Chat stuff results in REAL Underage Sexual Hook-ups.
Well, obviously it doesn't take much ENTICING to make alot of men go ga-ga over a young girl. The show is REALITY, Foolie. Whether you believe that or not is immaterial. The fact is... they've found plenty of men to play right into their hands.

SMW

How can an operation {sting} that Lures Internet predators anf then
stages the bust,even set-up shop {place to hook-up} NOT Be
Entrappment.?
The one case in Cincy,had undercover Cops,posing as
young teens,and then Pop the guy {school teach I believe}
when the opportunity arose ro close the Dragnet.
I mean,where not taliin some Country Hick cop,parked
under some remote Country Bridge,and switchin the Red Light,
to snare Tourists with traffic violations.
But that happens also.
Entrapment has a very specific definition, that being that the police have to entice the accused to do something he otherwise would not do. If SMW is correct, and I see no reason to believe otherwise, and the accused all initiated the sex talk, that's not entrapment.

By the way, SMW, even though they're accused sexual predators, they still do have the same rights as everyone else. Foolsworth isn't defending their actions; he's questioning the police's actions. Always a wise thing to do in a society where we give those accused of a crime very specific rights.

Entrapment has a very specific definition, that being that the police have to entice the accused to do something he otherwise would not do. If SMW is correct, and I see no reason to believe otherwise, and the accused all initiated the sex talk, that's not entrapment.

By the way, SMW, even though they're accused sexual predators, they still do have the same rights as everyone else. Foolsworth isn't defending their actions; he's questioning the police's actions. Always a wise thing to do in a society where we give those accused of a crime very specific rights.
I guess it's a little difficult for me to see the difference between a man being arrested while in the process of committing a crime (i.e., showing up to have sex with a child) and a person caught shoplifting... or robbing a bank... or selling drugs. A crime is a crime is a crime. Police arresting someone doesn't make them gulity or not guilty. They'll have their same day in court that every other accused person has. The fact that their arrest is FILMED just really isn't enough to convince me their civil rights are in any way being violated. How about the show COPS that's been on the air for years? No doubt some of those people were found not guilty of the crime they were arrested for. Never heard anyone scream about their rights being violated.

To reiterate, they aren't being charged with HAVING SEX with a minor, they're being charged with solicitation. Along with pages and pages of internet conversations between the two parties, their guilt is proven the minute they show up at her door.

Advice to the guys... if 'she' sounds too good to be true, she probably is.

:)
SMW

Entrapment has a very specific definition, that being that the police have to entice the accused to do something he otherwise would not do. If SMW is correct, and I see no reason to believe otherwise, and the accused all initiated the sex talk, that's not entrapment.

By the way, SMW, even though they're accused sexual predators, they still do have the same rights as everyone else. Foolsworth isn't defending their actions; he's questioning the police's actions. Always a wise thing to do in a society where we give those accused of a crime very specific rights.

Oh Please,spare me the widdle Police lesson in Semantics,
as * Violins Play * !
Like Cops exhausively go out of their way to make sure
a person's Rights aren't violated.
Ever see how those same Sting Asswipe Cops,converge like
rabid hyena,when a Predator,acts like he dint hear them say STOP.
They pile drive the Guys.
Entrappment isn't any more difficult to understand than Cops
posing as Prostitutes,drug dealers,or in this case,Teens,
in order to HELP ALONG one when considering breaking the Law.
It's Amoral,Unethical and down right Unamerican.
I have absolutely NO problem with Cops Busting Predators.
But this Liberal Tag game of luring Perverts along with sugar titty
with staged theatrics is too much.I mean Mush.
Whatever happened to fighting Crime The Old-fashioned way.
Actually Catching Criminals,NOT Engaging them in hopes
they will take yer bait.
Plus the fact,That in My Grandma's Day,when a girl was 13,she
was usually ready to get married to whatever horny dude
asked her.Even Ray Bradbusry said he don't cotton to all this
pesky Harassment Bull.Bradbury said he Harrassed his wife
until she married him.That's how it was done in olden times.

Olden times are gone, Fool. These days, we don't have the keystone kops running around arresting people. Baiting criminals is very popular now... cops use fancy cars, bicycles, drugs... and underage decoys.

Whatever works.

"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime."

Actually pretty simple, eh?

SMW

Olden times are gone, Fool. These days, we don't have the keystone kops running around arresting people. Baiting criminals is very popular now... cops use fancy cars, bicycles, drugs... and underage decoys.

Whatever works.

"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime."

Actually pretty simple, eh?

SMW

So,yer entirely OK with the notion,Cops should spend time,waiting
around till a Crime was committed they set up.
Why not just have cops,scatter large bills,around a Bank,that
keeps gettin robbed.And then nail anyone {Grannies included} caught
pickin up any bills.
No matter how Techno or sophisticated the machinery,Crrime
is about doing harm to others,first & Foremost.