The left seems to be fascinated with death as of late. First, they support abortion of any kind, including partial birth abortion, where the child is pulled out, up to the neck, and sccisors are inserted into the base of its skull and killed, if the child was pulled out another 6 inchs, or all the way out of the womb this would be murder. Then the libeals want this poor Terry shibo woman killed. The talking heads on the alphabet chanels keep saying she is in a coma, and a vegatavitive state, but when you see videos of her she smiles and looks arounds and can focus on objects. The left wants her dead though, they want to pull her feeding tube out and let her starve to death over 6 to 14 days. Why, oh why is the lefts first answer to kill everyone? Are people with cerebal palsey who are worse off the Terry Schivo next? what about the severly mentally retarded? WE know babys and people with brain damage are fair game to these death mongering leftists, who is next? And they call us Nazis, seems to me the right are the ones trying to stop the left from slaughtering generation after generation of Americans, and now the mentally disabled and brain damaged. Oh, I forgot, the only people they want to let live are convicted murders on death row.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/rollovers/animationpbaa.gif

THIS IS MURDER NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY AND JUSTIFY IT

Hi, Trav...

First, I guess you and I are watchin' different videos... what you described is not what I saw on TV last night...

But much more importantly, it should NOT be what liberals or conservatives want for that poor woman... it should be what she HERSELF said she wanted before the tragedy occurred... I would hope you agree with THAT much anyway???

Because I don't know any libs who are sayin' she should die if that's against her wishes, but we see PLENTY of rightwingers who are sayin' she has to live even if it's against her wishes...

Trav, think about this... the day is comin' when YOU are gonna maybe be in a similar predicament...

Her wishs? Tell me genius, how do you know her wishs? Is there a living will? no. the only thing we have to go on is what her husband said she said duringa movie one night, the same husband who wont divorce her because if he does he wont get any of the settlement money she has when she dies, the same husband who has been living with another woman he engaged 7 years ago, the same husband who wants her dead. Think about it. By your answer alone you use the same transparent crap about "rights" you use to murder babys. What ever happened to people right to LIVE? People besides scumbag rapists and murderer and death row.

And another thing, about the video, have you not seen people worse off than her ? Have you seen someone with ceebal palsey? Some of them are in worse shape than her. I dont know what coma and vegatative state mean to you, but I am glad your not my doctor.:rolleyes:

Thanks fer tellin' me how ya feel, Trav...

Okay, if appears we MAY have one area of agreement? You, yourself, believe that if she HAD left a living will, it should be respected? If so, I'm glad to hear it...

Now, you said even though you think I'm a "genius" (Thanks, Trav!), I still would have no way of knowing what her wishes ACTUALLY were... Exactamundo, pal... perhaps you'll clue me why YOU do? Hey, inquirin' minds wanna know...

Careful with that special mental telepathy you've got, though... I've never murdered any babies... Tune up yer wave length a littlebit...

Death row? Hey, Trav, tell me somethin'... Ever go to a zoo and see all those locked up... killers? YOU know... Lions, and Tigers, and 'gators, oh my! Do we have ta KILL 'em? Hey, what if one of 'em might be innocent? So, why should we kill people if we don't hafta kill animals... or... DO we hafta kill animals???

Thanks, anywayz, ya DID have enuff respect ta chat with me and even call me a genius... I alwayz learn SOMETHIN' when discussin' issues with folks like you... :)

Best Wishes...

Originally posted by Travh20
Oh, I forgot, the only people they want to let live are convicted murders on death row.

Right - people who have no control over their situation need to be killed for mercy. People who are on death row due to their own actions need mercy.

Wow... just a couple posts in, and this debate is already getting a little hot.

I wanted to chime in real quick to agree with the point settled by Trav & Odd -- the problem here is that there was no living will. If nothing else, this story should stand as an example to the rest of us.

In the absence of a living will, of course, what Ms. Shibo wants is impossible to determine. What, then, should control?

Watching the videos on TV, she didn't look like she was suffering to any degree. And her parents have stated that they will pay all of the hospitalization bills.

Given that (1) we can't determine her own wishes, (2) she doesn't seem to be suffering, and (3) she will not become a burden upon the state, I see no reason to pull the tubes.

I don't want to step in on this whole "liberals like to kill" argument, but I did hear someone on talk radio this morning charge that Governor Bush was part of a "right wing conspiracy" to prolong Ms. Shibo's life. It made me chuckle to think that Jeb is just SO evil that, sitting in his mansion with a thunderstorm raging outside, he came up with a devious plan to maliciously prolong someone's life... truly, the Antichrist cannot be far behind.

If a cat or a dog was in a similar predicament, we would euthanize it out of mercy. Why won't we do the same for a human being? I know that if I were in Terri Schiavo's predicament, I'd sure as hell want to die, even if I was ever conscious or lucid...but she never is.

I'm not sure why Jeb Bush is getting into this anyway...since when was he a doctor? All the doctors say she will never recover...why postpone the inevitable?

Posted by spatula ® on Oct 22 2003 09:22:02 UTC from the morons.org lair

Here's what I would do if I were running the world.

First, I'd absolve the husband of any responsibility for the wife. Grant him a divorce if he wants one. He shouldn't keep caring for someone who he honestly believes is no longer his wife but a soulless husk of a person. For one thing, it's not right to make him do it, but more importantly, he's not going to be doing an honest job of it if he believes his wife a vegetable.

Second, I'd order in a completely independent team of physician experts from out of state, paid for by both sides. If the husband wants out, let him help pay for proving he should be out. If the parents are so convinced she's not vegetative, let them help foot the bill to show it. Carefully screen the physicians like one would a jury to make sure none of them have any ulterior motives or agendas.

Evaluate her condition. If she is really no longer a human being, don't just starve the body that remains to death. Just be done with it. Apply morphine or something and gently put the body to rest. We wouldn't starve an incapacitated animal to death because it's not humane, so why would we do that to one of our own species?

It's truly tragic how this case has become politicized and how a poor creature on a hospital bed has become a political pawn and a pawn for a variety of agendas.

This should have stayed a private matter within the family. It's tragic that it spiraled down this far.

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=8&id=4106

For the record, partial birth abortion is only performed when the mother's life is in danger.

Thanks, Borg (if I may call ya Borg)... :)

You made excellent points, in my view, and provided a very worth-while link ta click on... Younger folks here may not remember the name Karen Ann Quinlan,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=karen+ann+quinlan

whose tragic circumstances presaged so many similar events afterward.... I remember tryin' ta have a reasonable discussion with a rightwinger about her back THEN... but, as ya can see even today, emotions can get a might hot... I try ta be POLITE when discussin' issues with folks, 'cuz it seems ta me it's maybe better ta fight fire with... water... than fire with... fire...

Thanks ta you AND my verbal adversaries fer takin' the time ta listen...

Toodles... fer now... :)

Partial birth abortions are perfromed for many reasons, and the least of which is to save someones life. Do you know how rediculous that sounds? At that stage of a babies life a cesarian section could be performed. No my friend, contrary to the lies you believe, partial birth abortions are done for less dramatic reasons, such as the mental state of the mother. Of course, i dont see how carrying a baby into the third trimester than having it killed in front of you is going to solve any mental issues you have.

And Borg, if you cant tell the differance between a dog and a human being, you are truly sad. as far as your idea to stop delaying the innevatible, why dont we just put a bullet in your head now, since you will surely die anyway. It seems to me that if someone cant pay taxes, used as a prop to advance their agenda, or suck off the system and need government to live, the liberals really dont care if you live or die, in fact, it appears they would rather kill off anyone who doesnt fit into their agenda, or are willing to kill as many people as neccesary to advance their agenda (Like babys and brain damaged heart attack victims) Pretty sad.

the radical feminists who would have you believe abortion is the most important issue of all time, are willing to murder millions of babies just to flip conservatives the bird and say "you cant tell me what to do!!" get a life besides death and give us a call.

I can tell the difference between a dog and a human, Trav, and I wonder why the dog gets the better treatment.

And about the inevitable, yes I will eventually die. But I can do things between then and now. Terri Schiavo can't. Her doctors admitted this.

The part of the Schiavo argument I don't get is how letting her starve to death over the course of a few weeks can be considered humane. If it's decided that she has to go then someone should at least have the balls to poison her and let her go quickly and peacefully. I think it's interesting that none of the people that are willing to let her passively die a slow death are willing to actively participate in her death.

I should first apologize for misspelling Ms. Schiavo's name. Moving on....

I'm not certain that you can really equate our treatment of cats and dogs with people. After all, cats and dogs are merely animals. We see them dead or dying at least once a week (at least on the highways near my home), and so it really doesn't bother us to kill one more. It's not necessarily "mercy." It's just easier to kill the thing than care for it.

I'm not saying that in a critical sense -- I think it is better to kill an animal than to spend hundreds of dollars (or more) to keep it alive.

But it's not so easy to kill a person. Human life is sacred. Before we kill her in the name of mercy, we want to be VERY certain that this is the correct path to take.

The quoted text from Spatula really oversimplifies the issue to a terrible degree. How are we to determine if "she is really no longer a human being"? Who decides what criteria to use? Doctors? Philosophers? Clergy? Judges? I'm not comfortable with any of these individuals making such decisions.

The Karen Ann Quinlan case, if I recall the facts correctly, was materially different from the present situation. Ms. Quinlan was comatose, whereas Ms. Schiavo is quite alert. Ms. Quinlan required a respirator -- terminating her life support resulted in her death within five minutes. To kill Ms. Schiavo, apparently, we need to starve her for a week.

(As a quick aside, Lionel, I agree with you completely... it seems a very inhumane way to kill someone. Then again, poisoning her is extreme too... it's just a very difficult issue....)

To conclude... the central issue here of course is how we value human life. Is life intrinsically valuable? Or do we need to be more than alive to be considered a worthwhile person? And if we need more, who decides what factors we need to meet?

One might argue that it is not society's determination as to what constitutes a worthwhile life -- but instead, it is Ms. Schiavo's. I could not agree more. However, Ms. Shiavo did not leave us instructions as to how she feels.

This leaves us to decide for her. Should we just assume that she would want to die? What if we're wrong? Should we keep her alive despite the fact that she wants to die? Does it matter if she doesn't necessarily want to die anymore?

I think that where human life is concerned, in the absence of a clear directive by the individual herself, we should err to the side of caution and protect it.

Now, seriously, looking back over the posts of this topic, it really does seem ta me that since everyone's usin' so many DIFFERENT sources of information... it just may be a... little bit HARD... ta agree on our premises... So, perhaps we should include links ta click on, or at least say WHERE we read this or saw that...

Otherwise, we'll spend more time talkin' AT each other than TO each other...

My latest link:

http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=6&aid=1022102619_5302_lead_story

As for starving someone to death... that's the kind of cruelty which a compromise between two opposing views can cause... I believe in quick, painless deaths... if death is indeed what the victim in this tragedy WANTED...

Thanks fer listenin'...

I know someone with CP, totally dependent on there mother. This person has to be fed, put on the toilet, put to bed, spoken for, etc... This person has more life then most people I meet on the street walking. So to say that a crippled person would want to die is assinine. No one....NO ONE.... knows what another person wants. The husband is an a**, the reason I feel this way is because of his actions.

Travh I do agree, what is next anyone that is crippled, old, retarded? Folks today are more worried about there "God Almighty Dollar" then they are about anything else. Greed will be the end of modern man sooner or later.

The unfortunate part of this entire thing is that it's been hijacked by both sides of the abortion debate who have no interest in Schiavo other than to use her case as precedent to buttress their arguments.

Hey, rightwingers!!! When it comes ta readin' other's minds... I'm a Freud NOT... That's why I'm glad yer expressin' yer opinions! I very much wanna hear what's in yer head...

But you folks are seriously misrepresentin' the leftwing viewpoints... Instead of sayin' we think this or we think that... shouldn't ya just ASK us? That's what the big board here is for, no??? Well, gotta go fer now...

Thanks fer listenin'...

Why bother to aska left winger anyhting, we already know where you stand on every position out there.

I don't believe I've made any assumptions about what a liberal has been thinking... my responses are based upon what you've said and how I feel personally on the issue.

As for citing our sources, again, I'm arguing mostly from opinion... but here's the source of my Quinlan information:

In re Quinlan, 70 N.J. 10 (N.J. 1976)

If anything else needs clarified, feel free to ask.

better watch out trav. us bloodthirsty liberals enjoy dragging plump, juicy conservatives into the basement and sacrificing them to the spirits of Marx and Lenin in a secret ceremony every full moon. who knows, you might be next.....MUAHAHAHAHHAHA

all good humor has an element of truth to it....

aw trav i'm just kidding you. us liberals wouldnt' REALLY devour you during a cannibalistic ceremony; a lot of us are vegetarians. you probably wouldnt' taste so good anyway...

Originally posted by Travh20
Partial birth abortions are perfromed for many reasons, and the least of which is to save someones life.

Really? The least likely reason??!

What evidence can you provide that the least likely reason for performing a "partial birth" abortion is to save the life of the mother? I'd be very interested in reading or listening to what you have as a basis for such a position.

Originally posted by Travh20 And Borg, if you cant tell the differance between a dog and a human being, you are truly sad.

I can think of ---as far as this particular subject is concerned--- several very pertinent commonalities that a canine and a homo sapien share.

They are both animals, both capable of feeling pain, both of no use to anyone --including themselves-- when existing in a permanent vegetative state, and both would require immense sums of money to keep them alive under 24 hour care in a hospital for many years.


Originally posted by Travh20 It seems to me that if someone cant pay taxes, used as a prop to advance their agenda, or suck off the system and need government to live, the liberals really dont care if you live or die,

Whoa. A very serious charge.

I'd be curious to know just what evidence you have that all these supposed "liberals" in America care nothing whatsoever about the lives of those who you mention??


Originally posted by Travh20 ....in fact, it appears they (liberals) would rather kill off anyone who doesnt fit into their agenda, or are willing to kill as many people as neccesary to advance their agenda

Have you ever considered psychiatric counseling for these bizarre delusions that American "liberals" want to **kill off** millions of their fellow citizens in order to advance their agenda? You really should.

Originally posted by Travh20 (Like babys and brain damaged heart attack victims) Pretty sad.

What I find even MORE sad is the fact that the millions upon millions of people in this country (and i would wager HEAVILY that you can be counted among them) have no problem whatsoever with their Government leaders sending bombers across the oceans to rain death and destruction on thousands of innocent people in other countries just so they ---the people supporting said leaders-- can have access to a plentiful supply of cheap gasoline.

freethinker sez: " ... have no problem whatsoever with their Government leaders sending bombers across the oceans to rain death and destruction on thousands of innocent people in other countries just so they ---the people supporting said leaders-- can have access to a plentiful supply of cheap gasoline. ..."

Do you live in the U.S.? Do you pay taxes here? What have you done for your country -- anything? All that's been displayed thus far is that you know how to complain.

Originally posted by es347fanDo you live in the U.S.? Do you pay taxes here? What have you done for your country -- anything?

Do you live in a house? Do you pay to have your lawn mowed? What have you done for your constipation -- anything?

All of these are questions which ---like your questions--- add nothing to the discussion of ***the Left's fascination with Death***.

BTW......Why does my having "done something" for this country interest you so?

Ohhhh....wait!!....I think I may have it!!!......it is pleasant for you to surmise or suggest that I have done nothing for the country, the resultant inference being that YOU have done something momentous "for the country"........which will serve to make you seem a "better Amurican".......not to mention salving your wounded ego.

Is that it?

Originally posted by Freethinker
which will serve to make you seem a "better Amurican".......not to mention salving your wounded ego.

Everyone knows that conservatives talk like rednecks! So much for the liberal respect for all people and cultures. Another brilliant argument by Sputnik!

Originally posted by LionelHutz So much for the liberal respect for all people and cultures. [/B]

There are certain people that I make no claim to respecting......child molestors, people who purposely set forest fires, cult leaders, militant RightWingers, people who poison the environment, leaders of unelected juntas, Fascists......

Freebaser be very carefull when/how you ask things of certain folks . Es as done more then his share for this country and diserves respect.

Ok you can all go back to your fight

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Another brilliant argument by Sputnik!

Doh - I meant Freethinker. Sorry Sputnik.

maybe it's time to get less personal on that issue, folks. Has anyone some good arguments about the topic ?
Personnally, i do not feel that "death" is an issue that has someting to do with the left or the right.
Trying to depict the people whose conviction differ from you as bloodthirsty or mentally deranged is probably not the best way to convince them that you are right.

We have been arguing on many topics which have death as a common point - guns, war, abortion, euthanasia. Most of you know my "left-wing" position on these topics, but I would never say that people who like guns or support the war in Iraq are "fascinated by death". They have their reasons, I do not agree with them but we can discuss these through facts and arguments…

yes, astropol, we know your left wing position on these "death" topics, you say yes to killing the helpless, like babys in the womb and people who cant speak for themselves such as vegetables and retarded, and you want to not kill murderers on death row or brutal tyrants. ya, real nice. Seriously, you are pro-abortion, anti death penalty, pro killing those who cant feed themselves such as terry schiavo, and anti taking down a brutal dictatorship becasue we dont have good enough "reasons".

First of all, I just would like to say that its people that stereotype left wingers and right wingers that seem to be oblivious to the other side's reasons for actually thinking the way they do.

Now, I understand your position . . . really I do. I just have no idea why you bring up countless arguments concerning what we have done for the country or the taxes we pay! If we all were to stick to the hard facts, what difference would it make if I was over in Iraq or has just done commmunity service?

Okay, I'm not suggesting that she is an animal or type of household pet, but WHY are we keeping her in limbo like a young child with a dying cat? People are treating her like a puppy on the side of the road, just run over by a car, that because it would make everyone happy is still being kept alive even as it borders death! You are saying that because the parents need to see their baby just a little longer, that its alright for her to be a doll! Sure she's smiling and begining to focus, but then again, so do insane criminal convicts that you want to send to the electric chair!

For me, it isn't the value of a dollar that persuades my reasoning! Hey, its the same people who are against 'pulling the plug' that voted for drilling in Alaska, one of the last untouched sanctuaries left! They are risking the environment for money and oil, yet "NO! This is wrong! Spend all the money you can to keep her alive because as we all know murdering innocent people is wrong." Don't even get me started on the countless innocent women, children, and elderly that have died over in Iraq!

We can't go on something that Terry Shibo's husband said, something that hasn't been documented or even proven. We can only try and play God for just a wee bit longer, keeping her half-alive.

Originally posted by Travh20
The left seems to be fascinated with death as of late. ........Then the libeals want this poor Terry shibo woman killed.

At first, I was angered a bit by your bizarre posting.

But then, as I read further, I realized you were joking.

Nobody, not even a fundamentalist mouth-breather, could be that fucking stupid.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I can think of ---as far as this particular subject is concerned--- several very pertinent commonalities that a canine and a homo sapien share.

They are both animals, both capable of feeling pain, both of no use to anyone --including themselves-- when existing in a permanent vegetative state, and both would require immense sums of money to keep them alive under 24 hour care in a hospital for many years.

So why don't you ever bitch about cows being killed for meat? Why don't you ever post about not killing animals for science? If you are going to say animals are so "close" to humans, than where is the EVIDENCE of that claim... and not just lightly tapping into the subject to fit your agenda........
Originally posted by Freethinker

What I find even MORE sad is the fact that the millions upon millions of people in this country (and i would wager HEAVILY that you can be counted among them) have no problem whatsoever with their Government leaders sending bombers across the oceans to rain death and destruction on thousands of innocent people in other countries just so they ---the people supporting said leaders-- can have access to a plentiful supply of cheap gasoline.

Well..... the difference is intent. We dont INTEND on killing innocent people in other countries..... but an abortion has the INTENT of death. Trust me, if all the bad guys could be killed without any innocent dying.... we would do it in a snap.. but try to figure out a plan to do that..... and then email it to bush or something..... because in war casualties are inevitable.

Its like watching a boxing match and being suprised that people are hitting each other.... duhh its a boxing match.

The left seems to be fascinated with death as of late.
...Republicans also, seem to be fascinated with death "as of late" Didn't your party start the war in Iraq? Didn't that create death?

First, they support abortion of any kind
That's new? That's "as of late"? And we don't support abortion of "any kind" At least not me anyway.

including partial birth abortion, where the child is pulled out, up to the neck, and sccisors are inserted into the base of its skull and killed, if the child was pulled out another 6 inchs, or all the way out of the womb this would be murder.
Isn't this only used if the mothers life is in danger? But I agree, I think partial birth abortion is wrong. The women can get a sea-section (I doubt that's spelled correctly) And that's why congress, at a very large majority (democrats included) voted to stop this method. So, what's your point?

Then the libeals want this poor Terry shibo woman killed.
How are we killing her? It's the courts and the husband who are making this decison.

The left wants her dead though, they want to pull her feeding tube out and let her starve to death over 6 to 14 days
This isn't up to me and the "lefts" opinion. The courts ruled in favor of the husband. It's not the "liberals" who are doing this, Trav.

Why, oh why is the lefts first answer to kill everyone?
:@@: Umm...well abortion, generally is not killing a living human...so I fail to see your point.

And they call us Nazis, seems to me the right are the ones trying to stop the left from slaughtering generation after generation of Americans
How has the left killed the brain dead? Abortion does not kill humans, Trav. Sorry to tell you. As for partial birth abortion, that is I believe outlawed and hardly happened even when it WAS legal. Most liberals are also, against that.

The republicans are for attacking Iraq, and causing more death then the liberals have caused. Gulf War? Iraq War? Republicans. That caused more death "as of late" then any "death" the "liberals" may have caused.

Funny thing, this thread being posted by a paid murderer and outright supported of mass murder for profit in the middle east...

Originally posted by Freethinker---
"I can think of ---as far as this particular subject is concerned--- several very pertinent commonalities that a canine and a homo sapien share.

They are both animals, both capable of feeling pain, both of no use to anyone --including themselves-- when existing in a permanent vegetative state, and both would require immense sums of money to keep them alive under 24 hour care in a hospital for many years.'

Originally posted by Decka
So why don't you ever bitch about cows being killed for meat? Why don't you ever post about not killing animals for science?

???

I am not following your train of thought on that one.


Originally posted by Decka
If you are going to say animals are so "close" to humans, than where is the EVIDENCE of that claim...

Right here.

http://home.att.net/~meditation/chimpsDNA.html

Scientists have shown that humans and chimps share 99.4 percent of their DNA, the molecule that codes for life.

IMO, humans are no more "sacred" or special ---in the scheme of things-- than chimps or squirrels or anteaters.

Originally posted by Decka
Well..... the difference is intent. We dont INTEND on killing innocent people in other countries..... but an abortion has the INTENT of death.

Apples and oranges.

The bombs we're talking about are killing living , breathing people.

An abortion kills no human being, just a fetus........a potential human,...... but not a human being.

TRAV wrote:
The left seems to be fascinated with death as of late.

So that means the right seems to be fascinated with forcing someone to suffer. Are you sure you were actually in the military, because you don't even seem to know your left from your right. Since 75% of Americans disagree with you (and we know how much you want the majority to make decisions for others), that means there are a lot of republicans who also "want her to die"...the rest of you just want her to suffer. Continuing to say "the left wants her to die" because they think she has a right to end her suffering is like saying that the right is anti-black because they appose affirmative-action...I guess Trav is calling republicans "anti-black".

First, they support abortion of any kind, including partial birth abortion

I do??? WTF??? When did I support that? Oh wait, I don't, you moron.

Then the libeals want this poor Terry shibo woman killed

You are the one who said you want her killed if its what her parents wanted...her and every child with cerebal palsy...DID YOU HEAR THAT EVERYBODY? TRAV WANTS EVERY CHILD WITH CEREBAL PALSY KILLED IF THATS WHAT THE PARENTS WANT TO DO.

It seems to me that if someone cant pay taxes, used as a prop to advance their agenda, or suck off the system and need government to live, the liberals really dont care if you live or die,

No, that is G.W. Bush's opinion on the issue proven by the fact that he signed the "Texas Futile Care Law" law in Texas. Of course you'll avoid that issue till you die.

I dont know what coma and vegatative state mean to you, but I am glad your not my doctor

Do you know what they mean to the court appointed doctor who diagnosed her as such?

but when you see videos of her she smiles and looks arounds and can focus on objects.

Here is a solution, and the fact that this solution has not happened tells you what her real condition is: The parents keep claiming that Terri it trying to talk and crying and all types of behavior that we do not see in the videos from 2002. Since they spend hours with her every day, they have obviously thought to bring a cam-corder with them and have one of them constantly taping at all times so they can catch one of these many displays of awareness that they claim are happening and show it to the rest of us as proof. We have never seen any such video in the last 2 weeks...why not?

not sure about this, but i can tell you for sure NO WOMAN WANTS an abortion. it is a hard choice for many reasons. there are plenty of kids in the world up for adoption, but only those with the financial fortitude can do it, and for most is the reason they are chosen for it.
if someone WANTS to end their life or has given permission to have thier life ended, then let it happen. it is none of the religious rights business. get over it.
how about this, the right wings WANT war in other places, want to destroy the environment for financial gain, loosen laws that protect people who want to live from so much shit that is out there. all for capital gain. death FOR SALE!!!! and way too many people are buying. hypocrit bastard.

Originally posted by dnamertz

Here is a solution, and the fact that this solution has not happened tells you what her real condition is: The parents keep claiming that Terri it trying to talk and crying and all types of behavior that we do not see in the videos from 2002. Since they spend hours with her every day, they have obviously thought to bring a cam-corder with them and have one of them constantly taping at all times so they can catch one of these many displays of awareness that they claim are happening and show it to the rest of us as proof. We have never seen any such video in the last 2 weeks...why not? [/B]


how do we know she isn't saying KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!?

how do we know she isn't saying KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Maybe thats why her parents won't release any recent videos of her.

what if she isnt? isnt it better to err on the side of life in a situation where there is no legal documentation and only here say from a husband who has since practically remarried?

Originally posted by Travh20
yes, astropol, we know your left wing position on these "death" topics, you say yes to killing the helpless, like babys in the womb and people who cant speak for themselves such as vegetables and retarded, and you want to not kill murderers on death row or brutal tyrants. ya, real nice. Seriously, you are pro-abortion, anti death penalty, pro killing those who cant feed themselves such as terry schiavo, and anti taking down a brutal dictatorship becasue we dont have good enough "reasons".

Hey trav, death is the easy way out for those people on death row. Its better to make them spend the rest of their life behind bars, doing the same boring stuff day in, day out. It would be better punishment as those who have commited very serious crimes (death row punishable) would probably start to lose it in jail, doing the same things over and over for the rest of their life. This would be fitting punishment for a mass murder or someone who commits a very serious crime. That my view only. The people who commit these crimes should get life in prison instead of the easy way out.

what if she isnt? isnt it better to err on the side of life in a situation where there is no legal documentation and only here say from a exile who has since expatriated?
*cough* WMD *cough*

what the hell are you changing my words? I get a lot of shit for putting words in the mouths of others, which I dont, but this is ridiculous. fucking fascist