http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070714/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear


So basically Bush undid what Clinton did and then did the same thing.. He's my hero!!:confused:

Bush said "we won't talk directly to a rouge nation". We stopped all communication as soon as Bush entered office, the Koreans got pissed off and restarted their reactor.

Now we talked to them and they have agreed to shut it down - AGAIN!! Way to go bush....:woohoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070714/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear


So basically Bush undid what Clinton did and then did the same thing.. He's my hero!!:confused:

Bush said "we won't talk directly to a rouge nation". We stopped all communication as soon as Bush entered office, the Koreans got pissed off and restarted their reactor.

I see modern technology has allowed you to contact us from an alternate universe. In this one the Nokos restarted their nuclear development during the Clinton years, while he was shipping them the oil.


Now we talked to them and they have agreed to shut it down - AGAIN!! Way to go bush....:woohoo:

Actually we talked to them as part of the Six Nations group. You might want to google that. This time they got others involved to help verify and deal the Nokos.

Hard to understand for me that US people don't mention to prevent spreading nuclear weapon less than Middle East affiars...

I see modern technology has allowed you to contact us from an alternate universe. In this one the Nokos restarted their nuclear development during the Clinton years, while he was shipping them the oil.




Actually we talked to them as part of the Six Nations group. You might want to google that. This time they got others involved to help verify and deal the Nokos.

Yes, in my universe people know how to fucking read, you freak. I am talking about "shutting down" not development!! Read the damn post before you make such smart ass remarks.

Also: "The IAEA mission is the first since North Korea kicked out UN watchdog inspectors in December 2002 and re-started Yongbyon, which is at the core of its weapons programme." - AFP

I see modern technology has allowed you to contact us from an alternate universe. In this one the Nokos restarted their nuclear development during the Clinton years, while he was shipping them the oil.




Actually we talked to them as part of the Six Nations group. You might want to google that. This time they got others involved to help verify and deal the Nokos.

WOW! I did google it and found out the following. I did not know Clinton was president in the 1960s. Also, by the time Clinton go to office, the Koreans already were up and running. See in 1993 they withdrew from the NPT. But this shit was going on from the 60's.

History
North Korea maintains uranium mines with an estimated four million tons of exploitable high-quality uranium ore. Information on the state and quality of their mines is lacking, but it is estimated that the ore contains approximately 0.8% extractable uranium. In the mid-1960s, it established a large-scale atomic energy research complex in Yongbyon and trained specialists from students who had studied in the Soviet Union. Under the cooperation agreement concluded between the USSR and the DPRK, a nuclear research center was constructed near the small town of Yongbyon. In 1965 a Soviet IRT-2M research reactor was assembled for this center. From 1965 through 1973 fuel (fuel elements) enriched to 10 percent was supplied to the DPRK for this reactor.

In the 1970s it focused study on the nuclear fuel cycle including refining, conversion and fabrication. In 1974 Korean specialists independently modernized Soviet IRT-2M research reactor in the same way that other reactors operating in the USSR and other countries had been modernized, bringing its capacity up to 8 megawatts and switching to fuel enriched to 80 percent. Subsequently, the degree of fuel enrichment was reduced. In the same period the DPRK began to build a 5 MWe research reactor, what is called the "second reactor." In 1977 the DPRK concluded an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA], allowing the latter to inspect a research reactor which was built with the assistance of the USSR.

The North Korean nuclear weapons program dates back to the 1980s. In the 1980s, focusing on practical uses of nuclear energy and the completion of a nuclear weapon development system, North Korea began to operate facilities for uranium fabrication and conversion. It began construction of a 200 MWe nuclear reactor and nuclear reprocessing facilities in Taechon and Yongbyon, respectively, and conducted high-explosive detonation tests. In 1985 US officials announced for the first time that they had intelligence data proving that a secret nuclear reactor was being built 90 km north of Pyongyang near the small town of Yongbyon. The installation at Yongbyon had been known for eight years from official IAEA reports. In 1985, under international pressure, Pyongyang acceded to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). However, the DPRK refused to sign a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), an obligation it had as a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

In July 1990 The Washington Post reported that new satellite photographs showed the presence in Yongbyon of a structure which could possibly be used to separate plutonium from nuclear fuel.

In a major initiative in July 1988, South Korean President Roh Tae Woo called for new efforts to promote North-South exchanges, family reunification, inter-Korean trade, and contact in international forums. Roh followed up this initiative in a UN General Assembly speech in which South Korea offered for the first time to discuss security matters with the North. Initial meetings that grew out of Roh's proposals started in September 1989. In September 1990, the first of eight prime minister-level meetings between North Korean and South Korean officials took place in Seoul, beginning an especially fruitful period of dialogue. The prime ministerial talks resulted in two major agreements: the Agreement on Reconciliation, Nonaggression, Exchanges, and Cooperation (the "basic agreement") and the Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula (the "joint declaration").

In late 1991 North and South Korea signed the Agreement on Reconciliation, Non-aggression, Exchanges and Cooperation and the Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The Joint Declaration called for a bilateral nuclear inspection regime to verify the denuclearization of the peninsula. The Declaration, which came into force on 19 February 1992, states that the two sides "shallnot test, manufacture, produce, receive, possess, store, deployor use nuclear weapons," and that they "shall not possess nuclear reprocessing and uranium enrichment facilities." A procedure for inter-Korean inspection was to be organized and a North-South Joint Nuclear Control Commission (JNCC) was mandated with verification of the denuclearization of the peninsula.

On 30 January 1992 the DPRK also signed a nuclear safeguards agreement with the IAEA, as it had pledged to do in 1985 when acceding to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. This safeguards agreement allowed IAEA inspections to begin in June 1992. In March 1992, the JNCC was established in accordance with the joint declaration, but subsequent meetings failed to reach agreement on the main issue of establishing a bilateral inspection regime.

When North Korean Deputy Prime Minister Kim Tal-Hyon visited South Korea for economic talks in July 1992, President Roh Tae Woo announced that full North-South Economic Cooperation would not be possible without resolution of the North Korean nuclear issue. There was little progress toward the establishment of an inspection regime, and dialogue between the South and North stalled in the fall of 1992.

The North's agreement to accept IAEA safeguards initiated a series of IAEA inspections of North Korea's nuclear facilities. This promising development was halted by the North's refusal in January 1993 to allow special inspections of two unreported facilities suspected of holding nuclear waste. Ignoring the South-North Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, North Korea refused IAEA inspections and operated nuclear reprocessing facilities, making the world suspicious of its nuclear intentions.

Lack of progress on implementation of the denuclearization accord triggered actions on both sides that led to North Korea's March 12, 1993, announcement of its withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The North's threat to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) brought North-South progress to an abrupt halt. Tensions ran high on the Korean Peninsula as the confrontation between North Korea and the United States deepened.

The US responded by holding political-level talks with the DPRK in early June 1993 that led to a joint statement outlining the basic principles for continued US-DPRK dialogue and North Korea's "suspending" its withdrawal from the NPT. A second round of talks was held July 14-19, 1993, in Geneva. The talks set the guidelines for resolving the nuclear issue, improving U.S.-North Korean relations, and restarting inter-Korean talks, but further negotiations deadlocked.

Following the DPRK's spring 1994 unloading of fuel from its five-megawatt nuclear reactor and the resultant US push for UN sanctions, former President Carter's visit to Pyongyang in June 1994 helped to defuse tensions and resulted in renewed South-North talks. A third round of talks between the US and the DPRK opened in Geneva on July 8, 1994. However, the sudden death of North Korean leader Kim Il Sung on July 8, 1994 halted plans for a first ever South-North presidential summit and led to another period of inter-Korean animosity. The talks were recessed upon news of the death of North Korean President Kim Il Sung, then resumed in August. These talks concluded with the Agreed Framework.

Under the framework agreement, the North would freeze and eventually dismantle its existing suspect nuclear program, including the 50 MW and 200 MW graphite-moderated reactors under construction, as well as its existing 5 MW reactor and nuclear fuel reprocessing facility. In return, Pyongyang would be provided with alternative energy, initially in the form of heavy oil, and eventually two proliferation-resistant light water reactors (LWR). The two 1,000 MW light-water nuclear reactors would be safer and would produce much less plutonium, in order to help boost the supply of electricity in the North, which is now in a critical shortage. The agreement also included gradual improvement of relations between the US and the DPRK, and committed North Korea to engage in South-North dialogue.

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WELCOME TO THE REAL UNIVERSE YOU ASS!!

You might want to familiarize with the agreed framework and the subsequent history. It undercuts your arguement, completely.

You might want to familiarize with the agreed framework and the subsequent history. It undercuts your arguement, completely.

Its not MY argument. Its from a .gov site. But if Hannity and McCain (and he actually said it) say "its Clinton's fault". Then it must be. Huh?

I don't care who said it. Whether you're aping someone else's arguement and passing it off as your own or arguing on your own behalf makes little difference. The arguement based on the facts is wrong and you as the promulgator of said arguement are either wrong or fraudulently passing off someone else's arguement. Which is it?

1. So basically Bush undid what Clinton did and then did the same thing.. He's my hero!!:confused:
2. Now we talked to them and they have agreed to shut it down - AGAIN!! Way to go bush....:woohoo:
1. The deal orchestrated by the prior administration didn't work. This one hasn't failed yet. If / when it does you should post something like this but until then you're not making sense.

2. Waldo's right. Why do you say "Way to go Bush" when there were other nations involved in the discussion?

I was hoping to see more discussion on this matter. There are alot of very intelligent people on both sides of the fence on Allforums. The debates on this site are really eye opening to see what the other sides are thinking.

Somehow N. Korea needs to join the rest of the planet.

Unfortunately these agreements come and go and most of the ones end up only as attempts.

For economic prosperity in North Korea, they must proceed to democratization.
The right of private property means that anybody knowing an way to gain benefit can gain resource for economic activity.
Otherwise, North Korea will continue to racketeer.