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Decka
07-01-2007, 01:22 PM
In case you hadn't heard, WWE wrestler Chris Benoit killed his family and himself last week. The actions he took were rather disturbing, killing his wife one day, his son the next, and then hanging himself with weight lifting cables about 12 hours later. In the meantime, he put bibles by their bodies and sent out text messages to friends that were out of the ordinary.

That all being said, I really don't want to talk about Benoit, but the wrestling business. I will say that I have been a fan of wrestling for a long time, and Chris Benoit seemed to be a normal guy. I followed him up when he started in ECW, through WCW, and on to the WWE. Officials say they found steroids at his home (big surprise) and are looking into the doc who prescribed them to him.

Thus, let's talk wrestling. Not "who has the championship", but let's talk who should be to blame, if anyone. There were some interesting happenings that took place after Benoit's death.

1. Before Benoit's death was announced publicly, wikipedia had an update on their site under Chris Benoit's profile saying he was dead. Investigators have traced the IP address to Stamford, CT... in case you didn't know, is where WWE headquarters is.

2. So then Benoit's death WAS announced, but the specifics were not included. The WWE cancelled their Monday Night Raw show and made it a tribute show to Benoit, showing his greatest matches and having fellow wrestlers give heart-filled commentary on how great of a man Chris was.

3. Next came the specifics- murder, suicide, steroids... WWE immediately issued a statement saying steroids had NOTHING to do with Benoit's death, even though it would be impossible to know so soon. They also took down all memorabilia and pretty much erased Benoit from their company. The WWE is a well-oiled machine, and they came out strong in denial.

4. Vince McMahon was on a morning talk show, can't remember what one, but was asked about that WWE statement. They asked how they could be absolutely sure that it wasn't steroids, and Vince said they don't know, and the reporter further questioned then why would you put out such an absolute statement when you don't know. Vince, the politician and business man that he is, backed his way out, said all the right things, and that was that. He stated that the WWE had a "wellness policy" in which they do blood/urine tests for steroids.

So, me being the wrestling fan and knowing the history, allow me to let you in on a few things.

- It is well documented from wrestlers who have quit the company that steroid use happens in the WWE. All you have to do is look on the TV and see these 22 year old guys who weigh 270 and are solid, chisled muscle and you really don't need a drug test. Joanie Laurer, formally known as "Chyna" in the WWE, was on a talk show this week and stated in very careful words that everyone knows "certain behaviors" that go on and that she has witnessed it first hand.

- It is also a sad fact that these wrestlers are on the road 365 days a year, and constantly are taking a pounding with no time to heal. Painkillers and steroids are sometimes NEEDED just to bear the pain.

- Steroids have been linked to several deaths over the years, and many recently. 2005-Eddie Guerrero died of heart failure, 2002- "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig died of a heart condition and his father verified that it was probably from steroid use, 2001- "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith died from heart conditions. The list goes back through the Ultimate Warrior, Chris Candido.. Many wrestlers have died before they were 40.

- There HAVE been actions taken recently on steroid-use but they have mainly been slaps on the wrist. Randy Orton, one of the WWE's golden boys, has failed drug tests on multiple occasions. It has cost him "pushes", or promotions in the pecking order of wrestling, but he still has a job, and is quite popular and up the ladder today. "The masterpiece" Chris Masters was nailed for steroids, and was suspended for a few months in which he lost about 50 pounds. However, he is back in the company and is also doing quite well.

So with all that being said.. Is this the wrestler's fault? Or is Vince Mcmahon, the businessman, using them for his own personal gain and not looking out for their well-being? Vince knows that if there weren't steroids, his product wouldn't be as attractive. It's a good bet that Vince himself has taken steroids, the man is a monster. It seems to me to be that Vince knows the nature of the business, and is just closing his eyes so that his wrestlers can keep doing what they do and make him money. However, with Baseball being investigated for steroid use, Congress may have to step in if wrestlers keep dying at the age of 40.

The thing that keeps Vince and his corporate empire safe is that wrestling is NOT a sport, it's entertainment. Therefore, sanctioned drug tests do not apply. These guys aren't TRYING to win, they are stuntmen who willfully take pain in order to make a fake fight look as real as possible. So until Congress steps in and says what we all already know, it seems Vince will continue to get away with this abuse.

The excuse for Benoit's case has been "roid rage".. however, that would include a short outburst of violence. This was not the case. Benoit took his actions over a span of 60 hours, staying in the house while his wife's corpse was upstairs. Benoit must have been suffering from severe psychological trauma and depression, which are both associated as well with steroids. Of course it is his body, and he chose to take them. However, the pressure that Vince McMahon puts on his athletes to look like genetically mutated, lab-synthesized gladiators needs to be taken into account too.

Lungdop Philing
07-01-2007, 07:23 PM
He was one of the best ever at what he did. He made it look real and AFAIK, he never complained. He showed up at every match and gave it his all. No more can be asked. Entertainment? Sport? whatever. It doesn't matter. He did it right.

I'm gonna miss him -- RIP Chris.

Travh20
07-02-2007, 03:41 PM
oh great, he put a bible next to the bodies. Now freethinker will come in here and start insulting amerikkuns for being stupid and blame christianity for this guy killing his family.

smartmouthwoman
07-02-2007, 03:47 PM
oh great, he put a bible next to the bodies. Now freethinker will come in here and start insulting amerikkuns for being stupid and blame christianity for this guy killing his family.
FT won't blame christianity, Trav... he'll swear GEORGE W. BUSH did it! It's a conservative plot to take over the WWE by the Republican party.

:(
SMW

(Poor Chris & family... may they RIP)

Travh20
07-02-2007, 03:49 PM
no, he will blame christianity and stoopid amerikkkuns

Decka
07-02-2007, 04:32 PM
eh, that bible placing can be taken a few different ways...

you can see it as Benoit "doing God's work" in some sick demented way

Or you can see it as Benoit asking God to accept them into heaven when they die suddenly from the acts that he did.

The Praetorian
07-03-2007, 04:56 PM
That all being said, I really don't want to talk about Benoit, but the wrestling business.
:eek: Uh, why?

Did anyone else here make it past this line?

Slevin57
07-03-2007, 06:26 PM
I don't really like placing blame with corporations.

They are not mindless wrestling machines they are successful people. I'm not really sure about the recruit process, but I don't know any "natural" guys that would come close to the size of most of their potential recruits, let alone the wrestlers themselves.

Vince is protecting his company. Thats not to say he doesn't care about Beniot being dead, but it's very clear his first priority is his wallet. He does not want this event linked to WWE at all.

And the fact that Chris killed his family in cold blood over a period of days shows something far beyond the increased testosterone levels of steroids.

Steroids get a very bad wrap sometimes and there is extreme ignorance about their actual use. A majority of people believe that you just inject it in your ass and that's all.

When in reality it's much different and you almost NEED a doctor to avoid messing yourself up. There are hundreds of different kinds of steroids. Most people take about 4 combinations of pills/injections. Not all of them are steriods, one is for anabolic increase, the basis of all steroid usage some are to prevent gynecomastia which is basically the formation of female glands in the male chest.

Which brings me to an important point. Steriods are not anything your body doesn't already have. They contain horomones.

While it's true the person on them might be more moody---they do not incite you to kill. That's a ridiculous extreme when you think about it.

Benoit ultimately had other problems. Serious problems. His wife had reported being abused to the police several times and his family paid the worse price of inaction.

Decka
07-04-2007, 06:56 PM
No one said "steroids make you kill"... if that were the case then Barry Bonds would have had 50 double homicides by now.

I agree that every person should enact some responsibility, but it just seems too convenient for Vince Mcmahon to sit back and "not know" (wink wink) about steroid use even though it only enhances his product. If there were no steroids in wrestling most of the guys would be 40-50 pounds lighter.

And while you mention that there are many kinds of steroids and hormones are already in your body... certain ones have massive side-effects. Yes, if you could get a bunk doctor to inject you with illegal steroids it would be safer, but you still would get all the side effects- zit breakouts, water retention, roid rage, depression, anxiety, and you would increase your chances of heart failure by about 200%.

Imp
07-05-2007, 11:59 PM
I don't really like placing blame with corporations.

Vince is protecting his company. Thats not to say he doesn't care about Beniot being dead, but it's very clear his first priority is his wallet. He does not want this event linked to WWE at all.

I do agree with you, I don't like placing the blame on the corp.'s either. Vince is protecting his company and it's bad PR for him. Of course one also knows that without the 'demand' for the entertainment, they wouldn't be forced to take such extreme routes by abusing steriods. I guess if the job wasn't available, then Chris and his family would be alive and he'd be flipping burgers or something to make a living.




While it's true the person on them might be more moody---they do not incite you to kill. That's a ridiculous extreme when you think about it.

Benoit ultimately had other problems. Serious problems. His wife had reported being abused to the police several times and his family paid the worse price of inaction.
Again, I agree with you, they had maritial problems. a bit more because of Daniel and his condition. With that set aside, withdrawal from steriods DOES incite you to kill.
My son was on them at a young age because of health problems. The doctor was EXTREMELY precise with me in how to administor and take him off them.

What are the symptoms of withdrawal from steroids?

http://www.anabolicsmall.com/steroids.gif
Athletes who abuse steroids often take them in a "cycling"
pattern: They take the drugs in very high doses for a period of
weeks or months, then stop taking them.(1,2) Stopping
anabolic steroids can lead to several physical and psychological
side effects, such as "depression, fatigue, decreased sex drive,
insomnia, loss of appetite, dissatisfaction with body image, and
craving for more steroids."(1,3)

Some researchers feel that there are two phases to the
withdrawal, but this concept is not widely accepted:(3,4) Phase
I occurs during the first week of withdrawal, and includes flu-
like symptoms such as joint pain, runny nose, diarrhea, and
elevated temperature.(3,4) Phase II begins the second week of
withdrawal and may last up to several months; symptoms are
depression and craving for steroids.(3,4) Whether this model
adequately describes the withdrawal symptoms of high-dose steroid
abuse or not, suicidal depression may occur after steroids are
withdrawn.(4-6) If possible, withdrawal from steroids should be
monitored by a health care professional to determine the risk of
suicide in each case.
http://www.anabolicsmall.com/roidd2.htm

If someone isn't taken off steriods the correct way, they do become crazy and suicidal.
You have to carefully wean someone off them.

I read an article that his momma was pissed because this 'steriod' ring was under investigation already and she claims it could have been prevented had they acted sooner. I have my
doubts but wouldn't stand in the way of a momma in mourning and by no means want to take away from her.
I still believe Chris was in the midst of a drug interaction or was in withdrawal from steriods and it had a bad effect on him.
I am saddened by his actions.
I don't believe he was in control of himself at the time.

Freethinker
07-06-2007, 01:45 AM
I will say that I have been a fan of wrestling for a long time......

There's a shocker.

:rolleyes:

Decka
07-06-2007, 03:01 PM
There's a shocker.

:rolleyes:

What arrogance and bigotry exactly are you implying?

Freethinker
07-06-2007, 04:08 PM
What arrogance and bigotry exactly are you implying?


ROTFL.

You seem embarassed.

I wonder why.

:rolleyes:

Decka
07-06-2007, 07:09 PM
embarassed? Not at all... take a look at my avatar

so you can keep vaguely implying things or you can tell me how you really feel. What is it about wrestling fans that you don't like