If more counties would crack down on illegals, Congress would not need to worry about amnesty. This sheriff is driving them out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/sheriff_illegal_immigrants_1;_ylt=ArekH1Xdn21vT5S9 dbhXlzVkM3wV

Sounds good to me. We will regret the amnesty down the road. Mark my words.

I agree that the only way to control illegal immigration is to remove the jobs at the end of the journey. If there were no jobs here, no one would come. To that end, I propose the following solution. Every time we find an illegal person working in this country and deport them we should also remove the citizenship of the CEO of the company they were working for, and deport that individual as well. To avoid losing all the financial assets, we should seize all said CEO's assets and apply them to paying down the national debt.

That would of course have an additional effects. All those jobs that were formerly held by illegal workers would have to be filled. Since unemployment is low, that will mean competition for workers which will cause wages to rise. This in turn will cause price increases across the economy. The resulting inflation will cause the debt to be worth less in inflated dollars, and will increase tax revenues as more people move to higher income tax brackets. Also, a lot of good CEO jobs will open up, allowing much more opportunity for advancement.

I agree that the only way to control illegal immigration is to remove the jobs at the end of the journey. If there were no jobs here, no one would come. To that end, I propose the following solution. Every time we find an illegal person working in this country and deport them we should also remove the citizenship of the CEO of the company they were working for, and deport that individual as well. To avoid losing all the financial assets, we should seize all said CEO's assets and apply them to paying down the national debt.

That would of course have an additional effects. All those jobs that were formerly held by illegal workers would have to be filled. Since unemployment is low, that will mean competition for workers which will cause wages to rise. This in turn will cause price increases across the economy. The resulting inflation will cause the debt to be worth less in inflated dollars, and will increase tax revenues as more people move to higher income tax brackets. Also, a lot of good CEO jobs will open up, allowing much more opportunity for advancement.


Sounds like a plan.

That's a bit too Draconian for me but I do think people who knowingly hire illegals should be punished by hefty fines. Many of them have no qualms about breaking the immigration laws if it puts money into their pockets. It's about time breaking those laws took money out of their pockets.

It's a great plan Imagineer but it will never be allowed to happen.

Looks like some of our Senators have gotten the message, finally.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070628/pl_nm/usa_immigration_dc_10;_ylt=AlEsWtvotNnc7zmTVl.wCKZ kM3wV

We do not have an illegal immigrant problem, we have an illegal employer problem.

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No we have a "precious" government problem. There ARE laws on the books to take care of these issues... we are just too stupid (and busy pandering) for either side to do a damn thing about it.

I employed a worker for almost 3 years. He had all the necessary documentation and I followed the required procedures. I had to let him go after the SS FINALLY informed me that he was using a bogus number... this was after almost 3 years of filing 941's and W-2's. During this time, he was paying all his required taxes (via with-holdings). It just took our illustrious public servants that long to discover this...

.... and you wonder why I'm not a fan of socialized medicine (or any additional increase in governmental control).

* - I'm sure that the proposed 24 hour background checks in the asinine senate bill would work REALLY well. At least it's dead now - although I don't hold much hope for anything else to be passed that is worth a shit.

No we have a "precious" government problem. There ARE laws on the books to take care of these issues... we are just too stupid (and busy pandering) for either side to do a damn thing about it.

I employed a worker for almost 3 years. He had all the necessary documentation and I followed the required procedures. I had to let him go after the SS FINALLY informed me that he was using a bogus number... this was after almost 3 years of filing 941's and W-2's. During this time, he was paying all his required taxes (via with-holdings). It just took our illustrious public servants that long to discover this...

.... and you wonder why I'm not a fan of socialized medicine (or any additional increase in governmental control).

* - I'm sure that the proposed 24 hour background checks in the asinine senate bill would work REALLY well. At least it's dead now - although I don't hold much hope for anything else to be passed that is worth a shit.

Amen, OP. Our govt is not designed to police the hiring of every new employee a business puts on the payroll. Nor is it designed to worry about whether Timmy's runny nose is a cold or allergy. To paraphrase the old saying... any government strong enough to provide for ALL your needs is strong enough to take away EVERYTHING you own.

Be careful what you wish for, Liberals.

:)
SMW

I employed a worker for almost 3 years. He had all the necessary documentation and I followed the required procedures.

Then you are not the kind of employer I am talking about OldPhart. There are lots of employers out there who do not follow the required procedures or file the necessary documentation and we should be agressively going after those employers to make it so hard for anyone to come here and get a job when they are undocumented that it becomes too difficult to be worth it.

Then they can stay home and put their energy into improving their own countries instead of coming here and lowering our wages.

:thumbs:

If more counties would crack down on illegals, Congress would not need to worry about amnesty. This sheriff is driving them out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/sheriff_illegal_immigrants_1;_ylt=ArekH1Xdn21vT5S9 dbhXlzVkM3wV

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Dallas sees shortage in construction workers

05:53 PM CDT on Tuesday, July 17, 2007

By SHELLY SLATER / WFAA-TV

You've seen the skyline - Dallas is growing fast.

The city says the boom is the biggest in 20 years.

But there's a problem - there aren't enough construction workers to go around.

Construction companies are struggling to keep projects on budget and on time.

Victory Park is just $3 billion of the $12 billion in growth this year.

But with this much demand, construction companies say finding workers - already in short supply - is that much harder.

"New projects coming forward know that we have a critical condition for sub-contractors and manpower," said Sam Latona from Turner Construction.

Latona says from roofers - to crane operators - contractors are booked at 100 percent and beyond. Companies are competing for workers, not just here, but nationwide.

"Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico," said Latona.

Latona has to hire workers across state lines and up the pay to get commercial work done. And that cost is passed on to the customer.

"Any hard bid project the City of Dallas had on the books - 50 to 60 percent of the jobs got shelved because the amount in the budget wouldn't cover the price to build it anymore," Latona continued.

Money the city doesn't want to lose in tax revenue and permits.

This year alone, Dallas will bring in $3.4 billion in construction permits - that's more than double 5 years ago.

"The influx of new cash and tax revenues is allowing the city to make the proper investments in parks and green space, infrastructure improvements that makes us a top tier city in the United States," said Phillip Jones of the Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The city says the improvements bring in tourism, create jobs, and help local businesses succeed.

But with the aging industry, full of workers reaching retirement, experts say commercial growth will only get harder in the future.

"The younger people are not coming in to be the plumbers, the carpenters, and tile setters," said Latona.

All of which, though, are needed to build that next big thing.

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Moral to this story?

Crack down on illegal workers and you may end up with NO workers at all! Guess this just goes to prove how many high school & college students are really interested in doing manual labor during the summer... not to mention how few red-blooded Americans are standing in line to take those cushy jobs illegals are accused of stealing.

SMW

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/localnews/news8/stories/wfaa070717_lj_slater.8556cdc7.html

You're absolutely right SMW... my boyfriend works for a drywall company for his summer job and he is the only white guy at the site except the foremen!

Construction companies can blame themselves for that. They have been hiring nothing but illegals, for so long, most everyone else has moved into other fields. Try to find a framing crew, or brick masons, who are legal residents. Its next to impossible.
The last time I had my house remodeled, it took forever to find a contractor w/o a crew of illegals. I paid more, for the work, but it was worth it, to me.

No we have a "precious" government problem. There ARE laws on the books to take care of these issues... we are just too stupid (and busy pandering) for either side to do a damn thing about it.

I employed a worker for almost 3 years. He had all the necessary documentation and I followed the required procedures. I had to let him go after the SS FINALLY informed me that he was using a bogus number... this was after almost 3 years of filing 941's and W-2's. During this time, he was paying all his required taxes (via with-holdings). It just took our illustrious public servants that long to discover this...

.... and you wonder why I'm not a fan of socialized medicine (or any additional increase in governmental control).
Bravo, OP! Well said.

Construction companies can blame themselves for that. They have been hiring nothing but illegals, for so long, most everyone else has moved into other fields. Try to find a framing crew, or brick masons, who are legal residents. Its next to impossible.
The last time I had my house remodeled, it took forever to find a contractor w/o a crew of illegals. I paid more, for the work, but it was worth it, to me.
Always SOMEBODY'S fault, ain't it Mod? Couldn't possibly be that we have more than enough jobs to employ those who are in this country without permission and the only thing we're proving by holding out on amnesty is that we can damn well get along just fine without them?

So what if construction is halted because there's not enough willing workers? Sounds like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face to me.

:)
SMW

That's a bit too Draconian for me....
Yeah - just a bit....

Although if it's proven that the employer in question was intentionally hiring illegals, then he should be arrested and heavily fined on his first offense. Subsequent offenses should carry with them a much stiffer penalty, and by that, I mean the offender should be charged with a felony and face the possible loss of his home, business, and personal assets. Having said that, the government should own up to their end of the bargain, and actually ENFORCE our laws. I mean, if they don't abide by the law, then why should we? Think about it.

Always SOMEBODY'S fault, ain't it Mod? Couldn't possibly be that we have more than enough jobs to employ those who are in this country without permission and the only thing we're proving by holding out on amnesty is that we can damn well get along just fine without them?

So what if construction is halted because there's not enough willing workers? Sounds like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face to me.

:)
SMW

All they have to do, is enter the country legally. Whats their excuse? But anyone who feels they MUST hire illegals, deserves to be put out of business. We have plenty of folks setting on their asses, watching daytime TV.

All they have to do, is enter the country legally. Whats their excuse? But anyone who feels they MUST hire illegals, deserves to be put out of business. We have plenty of folks setting on their asses, watching daytime TV.

:lolhit:

What would you suggest we do to get these ass-sitters outta watching Oprah and out there laying tile? Shall we pass some new laws to cover that??

:hula:

What would you suggest we do to get these ass-sitters outta watching Oprah and out there laying tile?
Paint 'em light brown? :D

:lolhit:

What would you suggest we do to get these ass-sitters outta watching Oprah and out there laying tile? Shall we pass some new laws to cover that??

:hula:

Stop their friggin welfare checks, unless they happen to be disabled. But, no we can't do that, one of our political parties would lose most of their supporters.

Stop their friggin welfare checks, unless they happen to be disabled. But, no we can't do that, one of our political parties would lose most of their supporters.
Even disabled is questionable. I personally know of two people who filed and were approved for disability due to drug addiction. In my mind, that's taking disability way beyond what it was intended for.

Paint 'em light brown? :D
For gawd sakes, don't mention their sombrero's being too tight.

;)
SMW

Even disabled is questionable. I personally know of two people who filed and were approved for disability due to drug addiction. In my mind, that's taking disability way beyond what it was intended for.

I agree drug and alcohol addition are not problems worthy of a disability finding. Thet are just very poor lifestyle choices, in most cases, and should not receive anything more than treatment.

I agree drug and alcohol addition are not problems worthy of a disability finding. Thet are just very poor lifestyle choices, in most cases, and should not receive anything more than treatment.
Well, it works like this... you get hooked on meth, all your teeth rot out, you get real skinny, etc. Then you go to rehab to get off meth, get depressed because you can't have your fix, can't possibly get a job because you look so bad. Then you're diagnosed as being manic depressive or bipolar (both disability allowed conditions).

Bingo!

Three months later, you're getting paid to sit on your ass watching daytime TV.

Give me an illegal alien stacking bricks on a construction site anyday.

Well, it works like this... you get hooked on meth, all your teeth rot out, you get real skinny, etc. Then you go to rehab to get off meth, get depressed because you can't have your fix, can't possibly get a job because you look so bad. Then you're diagnosed as being manic depressive or bipolar (both disability allowed conditions).

Bingo!

Three months later, you're getting paid to sit on your ass watching daytime TV.

Give me an illegal alien stacking bricks on a construction site anyday.


Give me a legal immigrant, earning the appropriate wage, and paying all the required taxes, or a ex-welfare dependent sponge finally working, any day.

Give me a legal immigrant, earning the appropriate wage, and paying all the required taxes, or a ex-welfare dependent sponge finally working, any day.
Guess the sad reality is... there's alot more immigrants (legal AND illegal) than there are reformed welfare recipients.

Guess the sad reality is... there's alot more immigrants (legal AND illegal) than there are reformed welfare recipients.

Only because of overly lenient welfare requirements, and piss poor law enforcement (fraud & immigration).

Well, it works like this... you get hooked on meth, all your teeth rot out, you get real skinny, etc. Then you go to rehab to get off meth, get depressed because you can't have your fix, can't possibly get a job because you look so bad. Then you're diagnosed as being manic depressive or bipolar (both disability allowed conditions).

Bingo!

Three months later, you're getting paid to sit on your ass watching daytime TV.

Give me an illegal alien stacking bricks on a construction site anyday.
Manic depression and bipolar disorder are the same thing. Manic depression is the old name for it; bipolar is the new, politically correct term. What if the person really is bipolar?

Manic depression and bipolar disorder are the same thing. Manic depression is the old name for it; bipolar is the new, politically correct term. What if the person really is bipolar?
Could be true, DF. The two people I'm thinking of in this regard did end up pretty screwed up. Wonder if they were bipolar BEFORE they became addicted to drugs, or if it's a side effect? Since I knew them both before & after, I think it's a side effect. But maybe that's what caused them to get hooked in the first place??

Tough call. I'm glad they're getting the help they need (i.e., disability), but have to admit, it does stick in my craw.

If I'm not mistaken though, I think they have to reapply for it pretty often, so maybe they'll eventually get back to being self-sufficient.

Bipolar disorder and depression can easily lead to drug addiction and compulsions to do other bad things, especially if untreated. I don't know about extended periods of drug use actually causing mental disorders, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it did.

I personally know of two people who filed and were approved for disability due to drug addiction. I call BS, you can't qualify for disability due to drug addiction.

I call BS, you can't qualify for disability due to drug addiction.
Maybe you should check your facts, fluffer. Drug addiction can indeed disable a person and render them unable to work. The fact that the people I know were successful in obtaining that monthly check proves to me it can be done. And here's another fact for you... their rehab centers not only encouraged them to apply, but helped them with the wording of their claim.

Like I said before, there is a time limit on how long they can draw money and they must re-apply to get more. So it's unlikely they'll be able to milk the system too long.

But possible?

Yes, indeed, it is.

SMW