Tonight on - HARDBALL - Chris {Hack} Matthews has his
chance.He's been chompin on the bit,since last week,in
delight over his Public challenge to Debate Miss Coulter,at
a place of his choosing { Hardball Plaza }.
Matthews is trying his best to short-circuit and trip-up
Coulter,"Godless" Author.It's Hack's way of building his
popularity wiithin the fringe base of Liberal MSNBC talking heads
and beyond {all his College-tour impregnation of liitle
impressionistic minds}.
The debate is getting ugly.
Matthews has Mrs.Edwards on the phone,asking Miss Coulter why
she insists on usuing Negative rhetoric when debating Politics.
And then Matthews use's a double whammy and asks pointedly
why Ann Refers to Hillary's "chubby legs" and about Monica's {Lewinski}
"Chubbiness".
Hack is up to his old tricks.he's hellbent on embarrasing and
having his guest EAT HER WORDS,if at all possible.
And of course he has the distinct Advantage of Asking THE Questions.
Of course,Miss Coulter manages to snap back a Big Horray and
Bitch slaps Matthews with his own Tactic.

Ann Coulter is scum, yet at the same time she is a-typical of American conservatives...

"If I am going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I will just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assasination." - Ann Coulter

:rolleyes:

I don't know who Chris Matthews is but I'm rooting for him. Ew Ann Coulter.

Ann Coulter is scum, yet at the same time she is a-typical of American conservatives...

"If I am going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I will just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assasination." - Ann Coulter

:rolleyes:

She is below scum - please tell me they will air this again tonight later so I can watch it?:)

She is below scum - please tell me they will air this again tonight later so I can watch it?:)

I don't mean to lecture, but wouldn't it be more prudent to not watch shows she's on if you don't like her ideas? I mean, she'll always have a job as long as people want to see her on TV or read her books.

I don't mean to lecture, but wouldn't it be more prudent to not watch shows she's on if you don't like her ideas? I mean, she'll always have a job as long as people want to see her on TV or read her books.

No hun - I want to see Chris give her a hard time - got to keep tabs on the enemy - I'm just watching her ass get kicked, I'm sure not gonna buy her books:hula:

She is below scum - please tell me they will air this again tonight later so I can watch it?:)

yeah,but you'll have to wait 6 hrs.
MSNBC has a screwy way of re-scheduling.Both Hardball
and Tucker play back-to-back or twice from 4-7pm edt
and then they have nothing after Scarborough at 9pm.
I guess they've decided to NOT worry about the 10pm time
slot.So,3am is the Next - HARDBALL -.This one was worth watching.
I can't wait for Christopher Hitchens in 2 nights.
Miss Coulter was Debuting her Paperback version of - Godless -.
Matthews has a thing for Coulter.
I think he likes her,both physically and Polemically,but won't dare
admit.Plus Matthews refers to his Newsbabe wife as His Queen.
So' s he purdy Puddy-whipped.

I don't mean to lecture, but wouldn't it be more prudent to not watch shows she's on if you don't like her ideas? I mean, she'll always have a job as long as people want to see her on TV or read her books.

So,the gist of yer opinion on Coulter IS that she doesn't
merit much concern,because you don't agree with her Politically OR
don't believe she is professional enough to speak on Politics.?
She is a highly qualified Constitutional Law graduate.

I have to agree Coulter is a partisan hack..

i'm surprised her and dharma aren't best friends... oops, wrong side.

I have to agree Coulter is a partisan hack..


You two have that in common Decka.

Hardball gets one of the lowest rating in all of television, something along the lines of 1% or is it as high as 2%. LOL.

Whatever happens on that show, with or without Coulter, is meaningless.

I love Ann Coulter. She is one of the founders of The Cornell Review and is a member of the Heritage Society.

She pulls no punches so liberals hate her.

Three cheers for Ann Coulter. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Hardball gets one of the lowest rating in all of television, something along the lines of 1% or is it as high as 2%. LOL.

Whatever happens on that show, with or without Coulter, is meaningless.

That is ABSURD ! And my Proof.All the leading Democrats with the exception of Hillary go on - Hardball -.It's one of the last bastion of Great Talking head shows.Now that - Crossfire & Firing line have gone the way of The Hilton.
Double proof...It was regular guest Sharpton who broke the news about what he thought should be done to Imus,who did his morning show on the same MSNBC.

Ann Coulter is scum, yet at the same time she is a-typical of American conservatives...


I hate Ann Coulter, I'm Conservative.

I'm pretty sure you love Michel Moore and Sean Penn too huh? All Liberals do.

I love Ann Coulter.

Why am I unsuprised? Probably because you act like her...

:rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure you love Michel Moore and Sean Penn too huh? All Liberals do.

Michael Moore and Sean Penn do not make death threats on a regular basis the way Ann Coulter does.

Apples and Oranges kiddo.

Why am I unsuprised? Probably because you act like her...

:rolleyes:

"Unsuprised" is not a word.

"Unsuprised" is not a word.

Please pardon my mistake O great god of spelling. :rolleyes:

Unsurprised...

Happy now?

:lolhit:

"Unsuprised" is not a word.

Please pardon my mistake O great god of spelling. :rolleyes:

"Unsurprised" (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=unsurprised)

Happy now?

:lolhit:

[QUOTE=dharmabum]Why am I unsuprised? Probably because you act like her...

You sure have a whole lotta opnions about political stuff that
ISN'T easy to pin down or find a direct cause/effect.
But somethin with a clear and obvious answer,you beat
around duh Bush.
" Get out duh Bush " man and Bee 4 real.
Think American.

Who do you idolize in the realm of the left Dharma? Keep in mind I only lean right, and I agree with the left on a lot of points.

And no, I'm not happy now, especially since you double posted. You make the message-board gods angry.

"Unsuprised" is not a word.

Is TO !
" Unsurprised " is most assuredly a word.

Jack London { a favorite of mine } used it.
As did Edith Wharton - " By being so quiet,so unsurprised and so
simple ... " -- The Age of Innocence

" Well,in a way there has come to be a sort of connection,I
answered unsurprised ... " -- The Sea Wolf

Michael Moore and Sean Penn do not make death threats on a regular basis the way Ann Coulter does.
Give me an example. Speaking tongue-in-cheek about someone meeting with an accident doesn't qualify. Wishing someone an ironic death is funny IMO, albeit a tad unprofessional, at that.

I love Ann Coulter.
I fail to see how any educated person, regardless of his political views, can possibly like that woman.

I fail to see how any educated person, regardless of his political views, can possibly like that woman.
And I fail to see how any person with a sense of humor wouldn't like her. The bitch may be caustic, but damn, she's funny. Don't believe me? Read her column.

You two have that in common Decka.

wow.. i am so blown away by that comeback... *yawn*

I love Ann Coulter. She is one of the founders of The Cornell Review and is a member of the Heritage Society.

She pulls no punches so liberals hate her.

Three cheers for Ann Coulter. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
LOL! And I get crap for liking Rosie O'Donnell/other female icons!! This is too funny!!!

To be honest, I don't MIND Ann Coulter. I think everything she says is pretty much wrong, but I find her style and the way she carries herself funny and strong.

But, as with most conservatives, they hold their guys to a lower standard.

And I fail to see how any person with a sense of humor wouldn't like her. The bitch may be caustic, but damn, she's funny. Don't believe me? Read her column.
Oh, riiight, when I say Rosie O'Donnell is funny, I get so much shit.

But of course, Ann Coulter is a comic genius!! LOL.

I actually do think she's funny. I can at least seperate politics from humor, unlike most conservatives. :rolleyes: Rosie O'Donnell really ISN'T funny, riiight?

Rosie O'Donnell really ISN'T funny, riiight?
Her political views have nothing to do with the fact that she is not close to funny.

Oh, riiight, when I say Rosie O'Donnell is funny, I get so much shit.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, there, OD - I think Rosie is a real hoot and a holler. Fat, bossy, overbearing women are always funny - just ask Roseanne Barr. And when you add lesbian, college dropout, and "political commentator" to the equation, well, then, it's just fucking hilarious.
But of course, Ann Coulter is a comic genius!! LOL.
Well, I wouldn't go that far, but she does have her moments....

I would be more bothered by those who hate Ann Coulter because she says nasty things if those same people had condemned Bill Maher when he said he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack.

I find the vast majority of the Coulter haters to be phony. They hate her because she skewers the left. I like her even more because she does so.

Jester, there are probably lots of things you fail to see. There are lots of things most of us fail to see. You dislike Coulter so you think everyone must, or at least everyone with an IQ over single digits. Please then explain why her books are so popular. If only people who are too dumb to read like her who is purchasing all those books?

I make no apologies for the fact that I love Ann Coulter.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, there, OD - I think Rosie is a real hoot and a holler. Fat, bossy, overbearing women are always funny - just ask Roseanne Barr. And when you add lesbian, college dropout, and "political commentator" to the equation, well, then, it's just fucking hilarious.
:lolhit:

Jester, there are probably lots of things you fail to see. There are lots of things most of us fail to see. You dislike Coulter so you think everyone must, or at least everyone with an IQ over single digits. Please then explain why her books are so popular. If only people who are too dumb to read like her who is purchasing all those books?

I make no apologies for the fact that I love Ann Coulter.
Frogger, stop making me laugh!

Whenever I've tried to defend Rosie O'Donnell (with her 11-time Emmy winning, and highly rated/watched talk-show) and Madonna (with her latest CD being #1 in over 40 countries and recently in 2006 having the HIGHEST grossing concert for a female artist EVER) you say they AREN'T POPULAR.

Yet, when talking about Ann Coulter, you are more then HAPPY to bring "popularity" and "success" into the equation.

And no one could possibly think Rosie O'Donnell is funny or successful. And no one could possibly like that "has-been" (haha) Madonna.

:lolhit: You have such a bias.

I can admit Ann is successful and funny, even though I disagree with her on everything. But you'll NEVER admit to any of the successes of liberal-women.

:lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: Bias is your friend.

[QUOTE=The Praetorian]Tsk, tsk, tsk, there, OD - I think Rosie is a real hoot and a holler. Fat, bossy, overbearing women are always funny - just ask Roseanne Barr. And when you add lesbian, college dropout, and "political commentator" to the equation, well, then, it's just fucking hilarious.

So...Pretty,Svelte,Very Unbossy,High School drop-out,and
probably Bi-sexual like Paris,don't stand a chance at bein :

FunnY !

:lolhit:

Yer Sooooooooooo full of it.
CBN {Christian Broadcast Network} and Jerry Falwell were
extremely well-mannered and polished,and where did it get them.?
They were hounded Day & Night by You fellow Heathens.
"Godless" bunch a Slimeballs.

[QUOTE=Overdose]Frogger, stop making me laugh!

Whenever I've tried to defend Rosie O'Donnell (with her 11-time Emmy winning, and highly rated/watched talk-show) and Madonna (with her latest CD being #1 in over 40 countries and recently in 2006 having the HIGHEST grossing concert for a female artist EVER) you say they AREN'T POPULAR.

Yet, when talking about Ann Coulter, you are more then HAPPY to bring "popularity" and "success" into the equation.

And no one could possibly think Rosie O'Donnell is funny or successful. And no one could possibly like that "has-been" (haha) Madonna.

:lolhit: You have such a bias.

I can admit Ann is successful and funny, even though I disagree with her on everything. But you'll NEVER admit to any of the successes of liberal-women.

Liberals are just flat out Wrong.That's the difference.Even a Liberal's Grey area is Foggy Green like a Sailors thrown-up pea soup.

learn how to format your posts better.

And no one could possibly think Rosie O'Donnell is funny or successful. And no one could possibly like that "has-been" (haha) Madonna.
No one said Madonna didn't have fans. You and your Leo-loving friends are perfect examples. I mean, hell, isn't like, Rosie the national spokesman for all things GLBT?

Seriously, dude - why wouldn't you like her??? Think about it.

No one said Madonna didn't have fans. You and your Leo-loving friends are perfect examples. I mean, hell, isn't like, Rosie the national spokesman for all things GLBT?

Seriously, dude - why wouldn't you like her??? Think about it.
lolz. i remember watching her show in the late 90's before she was openly gay. my mom use to love that show. and i'd watch it with her and think that rosie was a very funny women and was very nice.

i use to also watch that flintstone movie (with rosie o'donnell in it) OVER and OVER as a child when my mom ran a day-care business. all of us kids would watch it and we all thought rosie was just so funny.

god. i love how wrong you are. and actually, FROGGER did say Madonna was a "has-been" and wasn't "popular". HAHA. That's a laugh.

I have nothing against Madonna. In fact, I like her singing. I don't like Rosie. Sue me, Overdose.

I don't really care that you don't like Ann Coulter. In fact, I would be worried if you did. That would mean I would have to reexamine my views on her. I have found that I am on pretty solid ground if I dislike whoever you like and like whoever you dislike. Now you have enven gone and ruined Leonardo for me.:lolhit:

I have nothing against Madonna. In fact, I like her singing. I don't like Rosie. Sue me, Overdose.

I don't really care that you don't like Ann Coulter. In fact, I would be worried if you did. That would mean I would have to reexamine my views on her. I have found that I am on pretty solid ground if I dislike whoever you like and like whoever you dislike. Now you have enven gone and ruined Leonardo for me.:lolhit:
1. You said Madonna disrespected your religion when going on that cross during her concert. And you went on a big rant about her and what she did. Don't backtrack, Frogger. You do have stuff against Madonna, don't deny it now.

2. When did I say I didn't like Ann Coulter? I said I disagreed with her opinions, but that's it. Don't put words in my mouth. THANKS.

3. Leonardo is a liberal. He wouldn't want you as a fan anyway. :) :)

Leonardo is a liberal.....
Of course, he is. He's a freakishly overpaid actor, not a businessman.

I love Ann Coulter. She is one of the founders of The Cornell Review and is a member of the Heritage Society.

She pulls no punches so liberals hate her.

Three cheers for Ann Coulter. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

You're pathetic.


From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
The wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards called into MSNBC’s “Hardball” on Tuesday to confront Ann Coulter on her personal attacks on her husband and family.
Coulter, the controversial conservative commentator, appeared on an outdoor set with host Chris Matthews -- and also with dozens of supporters and detractors waiting to ask questions. But there was another person waiting to pose a question to Coulter: Elizabeth Edwards.

According to an Edwards campaign aide, Elizabeth Edwards wanted to call into the show when she heard that Coulter would be taking questions, and she called a Hardball producer to get the phone number needed to dial into the show. The result is the exchange below:
Chris Matthews: You know who's on the line? Somebody to respond to what you said Edwards yesterday morning -- Elizabeth Edwards. She wanted to call in today we said she could. Elizabeth Edwards go on the line you're on the line with Ann Coulter
Elizabeth Edwards: Hello, Chris.
CM: You wanna say something directly to the person who's with me?
EE: I'm calling you … in the south when we -- when someone does something that displeases us, we wanna ask them politely to stop doing it. Uh - I'd like to ask Ann Coulter -- if she wants to debate on issues, on positions -- we certainly disagree with nearly everything she said on your show today -- um but uh it's quite another matter for these personal attacks that the things she has said over the years not just about John but about other candidates -- it lowers our political dialogue precisely at the time that we need to raise it. So I want to use the opportunity … to ask her politely stop the personal attacks.
Ann Coulter: OK, so I made a joke -- let's see six months ago -- and as you point out they've been raising money off of it for six months since then.
CM: This is yesterday morning, what you said about him.
AC: I didn't say anything about him actually either time.
EE: Ann, you know that's not true. And once more its been going on for sometime.
AC: I don't mind you trying to raise money. I mean it's better this than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor.
EE: I'm asking you
AC: Just to use my name on the Web pages…
EE: I'm asking you politely…
AC: … but as for a debate with me, um yeah, sure. Yeah, we'll have a debate
EE: I'm asking you politely to stop personal attacks.
AC: How bout you stop raising money on the Web page then?
EE: It didn't start it did not
AC: No you don't have cause I don't mind
EE: It did not start with that you had a column a number of years ago
AC: OK, great the wife of a presidential candidate is calling in asking me to stop speaking
CM: Let her finish the point...
AC: You're asking me to stop speaking stop writing your columns, stop writing your books.
CM: OK, Ann. Please.
AC: OK
EE: You wrote a column a couple years ago which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death, and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said ask me about my dead son. This is not legitimate political dialogue.
AC: That's now three years ago
EE: It debases political dialogue. It drives people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language.
AC: Yeah why isn't John Edwards making this call?
CM: Well do you want to respond and we'll end this conversation?
EE: I haven't talked to John about his call.
AC: This is just another attempt for –
EE: I'm making this call as a mother. I'm the mother of that boy who died. My children participate -- these young people behind you are the age of my children. You're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't think that's serving them or this country very well.APPLAUSE
CM: Thank you very much Elizabeth Edwards. Do you want to -- you have all the time in the world to respond.
AC: I think we heard all we need to hear. The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking. No.

Ann Coulter is scum. Period!

learn how to format your posts better.

Go stick it in yer ban Can,you Slickster troublemaker.
I've had many experiences with YoU message Bored types.

[QUOTE=Tapeworm]You're pathetic.


From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro

Furgit those two.
Since I started this thread'let me say,I knew,all of last week,there
must be a reason why Hack matthews was so effusive and eager
to announce his upcoiming segment with the inimitable "divider"
Ann Coulter.
And I was correct to assume the worse.
Matthews purposedly Bushwhacked,Sandbagged and otherwise
had Coulter sideswiped by a Call,that was only remotely
forewarned of.MSNBC has a steep tradition of Lying like gutter
thieves about their true intent.After all,they're THE New Liberal
Bully on the block.Matthews is a conniver and True Hater.
He's just jealous of the successfull tact that Coulter employs.
Matthews is far more Hatefull and shameless,than Coulter.
It's just he isn't as quickly popular and versed in the rigor
of interesting prose or Poetry of Sardonic wit,as Ann.
I think matthews did muster the courage to say he worked as
a speech writer for Carter,er some such balding balderdash.

Coulter held her own,and now the Leftists have somethin to
FURTHER ennoble{yeah,right} their Fairness Doctrine.
Liberals don't just Play dirty ball,they also Ump the Game with
slimy glee.

Coulter held nothing. The point is not about winning and losing, it's about being a decent human being. A point lost on her many supporters as they scream about family values.

Hooray! She pissed on a mother who lost her child. What a fucking great American she is. A great strike for the right. Give me a fucking break. She may call people godless but I would rather be godless than shameless. At least shame can make one humble.

Cheer her on all you like. Pathetic is as pathetic does. Basic human respect has nothing to do with left or right but some are too blinde to see that.

What a wonderful, christian role model. Something to asipre to be. Heritage uber alles.

What a pathetic loser.

Dharma, you never answered my question about who you look up to on the left.

Overdose, I give Madonna a lot of props, she is a great artist. But tell me how you feel about Rosie's latest actions regarding dressing her daughter up as a guerrilla fighter and posting up pictures on her web-page. You think those are actions of a sound mind?

Coulter held nothing. The point is not about winning and losing, it's about being a decent human being. A point lost on her many supporters as they scream about family values.

Hooray! She pissed on a mother who lost her child. What a fucking great American she is. A great strike for the right. Give me a fucking break. She may call people godless but I would rather be godless than shameless. At least shame can make one humble.

Cheer her on all you like. Pathetic is as pathetic does. Basic human respect has nothing to do with left or right but some are too blinde to see that.

What a wonderful, christian role model. Something to asipre to be. Heritage uber alles.

What a pathetic loser.

Leftists LOVE to make like they're Soooooooooo Above reproach and
certain Mis-comments. But Coulter was trying to point out exactly
HOW Edwards Made all his money.He was a Shyster-trial lawyer who
played on the heartstrings of Jurors for a Price.It made him Rich.
Edwards also saw fit to use his Son's death,as another quick-fix
for Tea & sympathy.Just like his leatest efforts to capitalize on the
Coulter flack with his wife on his web page,asking for donations.
Edwards is a charlatan.His own neighbors can't stand him.
Fox did a special,2 weeks ago,and went around to some of his
POOR neighbors,and they all despised him.
Apparently his TWO Worlds little faux spiel speech isn't
very authentic.
Coulter is loathed by leftists becuase she takes Political Correctness
and turns it,topsy-turvey,right on the Polemic of those hypocrites,
used to having their cake and eating it too.
Ann takes that Cake,and squashes it right in their Mugs,for all
to see.And even feel,at times.

Overdose, I give Madonna a lot of props, she is a great artist. But tell me how you feel about Rosie's latest actions regarding dressing her daughter up as a guerrilla fighter and posting up pictures on her web-page. You think those are actions of a sound mind?
What do I think about Rosie's latest actions?

Rosie posted a picture of her daughter in camo military gear, with a light camo bandana on her head...with fake/toy bullets around her body.

Who remembers playing army/dressing up in army clothes as a kid? I DO! I DO!

The fuss around this whole entire thing is that it is a girl who is dressing up and that Rosie O'Donnell posted it.

Last year her daughter dressed up as a Princess, and that was her obsession back them. This year, her daughter wanted to play army with her brothers. So, Rosie got her an army outfit. I don't see the problem?

The only problem is that people are seeing this image as a political statement. And if there is any statement, in my opinion, it is that Rosie is saying that isn't it sad that children are dying in war? And that isn't it sad that there are child soliders? Which I think is a good point to be spreading.

Leftists LOVE to make like they're Soooooooooo Above reproach and
certain Mis-comments. But Coulter was trying to point out exactly
HOW Edwards Made all his money.He was a Shyster-trial lawyer who
played on the heartstrings of Jurors for a Price.It made him Rich.
Edwards also saw fit to use his Son's death,as another quick-fix
for Tea & sympathy.Just like his leatest efforts to capitalize on the
Coulter flack with his wife on his web page,asking for donations.
Edwards is a charlatan.His own neighbors can't stand him.
Fox did a special,2 weeks ago,and went around to some of his
POOR neighbors,and they all despised him.
Apparently his TWO Worlds little faux spiel speech isn't
very authentic.
Coulter is loathed by leftists becuase she takes Political Correctness
and turns it,topsy-turvey,right on the Polemic of those hypocrites,
used to having their cake and eating it too.
Ann takes that Cake,and squashes it right in their Mugs,for all
to see.And even feel,at times.

I was going to resond with something very tasteless and "topsy-turvey" Coulter like so that you might respect what I had to say. In the end I erased it because I would rather respect myself.

Think about what your saying. Do you honestly believe that John Edwards took some real joy in his son's death? Celebrated it by having a bumper sticker made? Joked about it? If so...it's time to turn off FOX news for a little while.

I was going to resond with something very tasteless and "topsy-turvey" Coulter like so that you might respect what I had to say. In the end I erased it because I would rather respect myself.

Think about what your saying. Do you honestly believe that John Edwards took some real joy in his son's death? Celebrated it by having a bumper sticker made? Joked about it? If so...it's time to turn off FOX news for a little while.

Firstly, [your] should be { you're }.So basically ,you're nun too educated.
So,don't try and act the part.It's offensive.
I can't debate those of yer ilk.
I'm not judging Edwards on anything other than what he says and
say's with heightened passion.His 2 World's speech.
His sappy concern for the Poor.There are Poor,living right around
the corner from him.Fox interviewed those poor,and every single
one,said they never met the guy.So,obviosuly Edward's can't
even deliever his little [ 2 World's theme} beyond the confines of
his overlayed estate.
As to his son,it seems he's up to his Shyster best to exploit
that into a fundraiser or ability to further tug at the heartstrings
of those who feel badly about the loss of a close relative.
Edwards is a Fraud.I can't judge whats in his heart,but surely what
he says and how he goes about manipulating a loss or the Poor.
Must decent folk,carry the cross of their loss in private.
They definately don't advertise.

Firstly, [your] should be { you're }.So basically ,you're nun too educated.
So,don't try and act the part.It's offensive.
I can't debate those of yer ilk.
I'm not judging Edwards on anything other than what he says and
say's with heightened passion.His 2 World's speech.
His sappy concern for the Poor.There are Poor,living right around
the corner from him.Fox interviewed those poor,and every single
one,said they never met the guy.So,obviosuly Edward's can't
even deliever his little [ 2 World's theme} beyond the confines of
his overlayed estate.
As to his son,it seems he's up to his Shyster best to exploit
that into a fundraiser or ability to further tug at the heartstrings
of those who feel badly about the loss of a close relative.
Edwards is a Fraud.I can't judge whats in his heart,but surely what
he says and how he goes about manipulating a loss or the Poor.
Must decent folk,carry the cross of their loss in private.
They definately don't advertise.

You are a good little Fox and Limbaugh listener/follower!! Good job!!
Keep listening to Fox, Hannity, and Limbaugh over and over and over and over and over and over until it just seeps into your mind and you can't think any other way..... And do it EVERYDAY so you don't have to think for yourself. :@@:

Firstly, [your] should be { you're }.So basically ,you're nun too educated.
Does anybody know a good alternative to the pot/kettle expression?

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!!!!!!!

You said Madonna disrespected your religion when going on that cross during her concert.

Her actions at that concert had nothing to do with her voice. While I think she is personally a little shit she can still sing up a storm.

I see Tapeworm and DCPHDman are ranting in true liberal fashion, complaining about hate speech by posting hate speech. Typical.

Why would anyone listen to someone so insecure he has to advertise that he has a PHD in his handle.


DCPHDman reminds me of the true meaning of PHD.

Two guys were talking about college degrees. One asked what a BS was and the other said, "Everyone knows what BS stands for. MS is more of the same ane PHD is the same stuff only Piled Higher and Deeper. DCPHDman epitomizes the Piled Higer and Deeper aspect of the degree.

What do I think about Rosie's latest actions?

Rosie posted a picture of her daughter in camo military gear, with a light camo bandana on her head...with fake/toy bullets around her body.

Who remembers playing army/dressing up in army clothes as a kid? I DO! I DO!
The fuss around this whole entire thing is that it is a girl who is dressing up and that Rosie O'Donnell posted it.

Last year her daughter dressed up as a Princess, and that was her obsession back them. This year, her daughter wanted to play army with her brothers. So, Rosie got her an army outfit. I don't see the problem?

The only problem is that people are seeing this image as a political statement. And if there is any statement, in my opinion, it is that Rosie is saying that isn't it sad that children are dying in war? And that isn't it sad that there are child soliders? Which I think is a good point to be spreading.

Well, there goes THAT theory. OD, honey... do you remember dressing up like a princess?

:hula:

Of course he remembers, SMW. It was only last week.:lolhit:

You are a good little Fox and Limbaugh listener/follower!! Good job!!
Keep listening to Fox, Hannity, and Limbaugh over and over and over and over and over and over until it just seeps into your mind and you can't think any other way..... And do it EVERYDAY so you don't have to think for yourself. :@@:

I do like Fox,but only tune-in to O'Reilly and then Hannity.
I Like Tucker and Hardball,earlier.Can't stand Fox's Shepard.
I also like Bill Bennett's - Morning in America - and a little
of Laura Ingraham.Laura is either HoT or Cold.She's too peevish.
But very talented.
I only listen briefly to Rush.Never more than 10 minutes at a time.
Depends entirely on what the issue is.
I am NO "dittohead".
I tuned-in to Al Franken's - Air America - when Sundance carried
it late-at-nite.I like Franken,but his entire schtick was having
one-sided guests,Like glassy-eyed Liberal Tom Oliphant ON
doing their little skits,intending to embarras the Conservative approach
as if it's ENTIRELY Unfair and Corrupt.
The overall premise of - Air America - was to Never Say Die-.Never
admit when a Liberal is wrong and continuously overshout anyone
willing to make Republican points.- Tucker - used to also be on
Late nite and had regular - Air America - host Rachel Maddow,a true
Liberal bastion of unforgiving,totally one-sided opinions.
She's a proud Lesbian,who refuses to see across the aisle.
Tammy Bruce,also a Talk Radio,conservative Lesbian,is far
more intelligent,and unassuming.
My point being, I find Conservative Talk Radio entertaining,and
far more intelligent and fair,than say,roughhouse Bully pulpit
practioners,like - Air America -. Maddow tries TOO hard to NOT
even consider,other than her Agenda.That makes her,unwatchable.
I Live for Fairness and common sense.Liberals dump both those
ideals,at the front door of Politics.
Their just pesky troublemakers.They have no intention of
acting American.They're a Sham,personified.

Coulter Law #3 - Liberals choose spokespeople that, if you argue against them, will make you look cruel and heartless.
That's why the Michael J Fox thing got so overblown. Carolyn McCarthy. Elizabeth Glaser. The Jersey wives. Christopher Reeve. Nicholas Berg's father. Cindy Sheehan.

And so here is Ann Coulter as a guest on Hardball and who does Chris Matthews surprise her with to discuss politics? A mother who lost a son and has metastasized cancer (I'm waiting for the day when Matthews surprises a Democrat with an unanncounced conservative).

The Edwards' were the first to invoke their son (in the name of politics if you ask me) much like Al Gore used his sister's smoking / cancer death.


I don't know much about deer hunting, but from what I understand, if you want a buck, you let the does come out and when it's safe the bucks will follow.

So Edwards doesn't have the balls to face little Ann Coulter. First his wife phones in and he comes on the next day (probably snivelling to a producer "Ann's gone, right? Promise?). Coward.
He should do very well with the Koreans.

AND GUESS WHAT??? For the second time in a year, he is using Ann Coulter as an inducement on his fundraising page on his website.

Coulter Law #3 - Liberals choose spokespeople that, if you argue against them, will make you look cruel and heartless.
That's why the Michael J Fox thing got so overblown. Carolyn McCarthy. Elizabeth Glaser. The Jersey wives. Christopher Reeve. Nicholas Berg's father. Cindy Sheehan.
There is something to that, I think. While conservatives tend to try to appeal to people's sense of morality and their personal well-being, liberals tend to appeal to emotion and sympathy.

I'm not sure which one is better.

I'm not sure which one is better.
Given the two options (and I think you're pretty close to being on target), I sure-as-shit do.

Well said, Brooks. It's the doctrine of infallibility, and they know it....

I was going to resond with something very tasteless and "topsy-turvey" Coulter like so that you might respect what I had to say. In the end I erased it because I would rather respect myself.

Think about what your saying. Do you honestly believe that John Edwards took some real joy in his son's death? Celebrated it by having a bumper sticker made? Joked about it? If so...it's time to turn off FOX news for a little while.

Don't know about his son's death, but he certainly seemed to take some real joy in announcing his wife's illness and how it wouldn't stop his candidacy! That little fiasco must've brought him in some big bucks for his pointless campaign.

SMW

Don't know about his son's death, but he certainly seemed to take some real joy in announcing his wife's illness and how it wouldn't stop his candidacy! That little fiasco must've brought him in some big bucks for his pointless campaign.

SMW


You really, really think he felt JOY about his wife having cancer and how it would not stop his candidacy?? :eek: That is amazing. And yes, they have already suffered the death of a son, which Ann was making fun of. Would you have thought the same thing if one of the candidates you support was faced with the same situation???? I truly doubt it.:rolleyes:

Coulter Law #3 - Liberals choose spokespeople that, if you argue against them, will make you look cruel and heartless.
That's why the Michael J Fox thing got so overblown. Carolyn McCarthy. Elizabeth Glaser. The Jersey wives. Christopher Reeve. Nicholas Berg's father. Cindy Sheehan.

And so here is Ann Coulter as a guest on Hardball and who does Chris Matthews surprise her with to discuss politics? A mother who lost a son and has metastasized cancer (I'm waiting for the day when Matthews surprises a Democrat with an unanncounced conservative).

The Edwards' were the first to invoke their son (in the name of politics if you ask me) much like Al Gore used his sister's smoking / cancer death.


I don't know much about deer hunting, but from what I understand, if you want a buck, you let the does come out and when it's safe the bucks will follow.

So Edwards doesn't have the balls to face little Ann Coulter. First his wife phones in and he comes on the next day (probably snivelling to a producer "Ann's gone, right? Promise?). Coward.
He should do very well with the Koreans.

AND GUESS WHAT??? For the second time in a year, he is using Ann Coulter as an inducement on his fundraising page on his website.

Plus if some remember,Gore bragged at one time about Farming Tobacco.
How he planted it,cut-it,housed-it .

I did hear a Production asst. at MSNBC explain that Coulter was
forewarned BEFORE her segment LIVE with Matthews that
Mrs.Edwards may call IN.
But,Knowing Matthews and the lenghts he'll go to Spin and
catch certain Talking heads off guard,and be nasty is astounding.
He was a real Brute when John O'Neil came on Twice to defend
his Swiftee Book.Matthews hounded him and wouldn't let him get a
word in edgewise.That's what - Air America - does.Basically have
about a 5-1 ratio of Flamin Liberals to one slightly Moderate
Conservative,and that Conservative is ganged up on,immeasurably.
Liberals claim Diversity and Tolerance,but are arguably THE Last
Man standing when it comes time to deliever on that pledge.
Tonight will be a real Topper.
Christopher Hitchens goes up against Al Sharpton.
Hitchens latest book has GoD as the First word in the title and
had it printed so - GoD - was bearly {too small} legible.

Runner, do you remember Al Gore's speech at the Dem Convention in 2000?
He spoke (and cried) about his sister's death from smoking. He said he was committed "heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking."
In his new film, Gore again brings up his sister's death and how it led his once tobacco-growing family to turn away from tobacco.

In 1988 Gore campaigned as a tobacco farmer who told his brethren that "all of my life," I hoed it, chopped it, shredded it, "put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it."
The year his sister died, Gore helped the industry by fighting efforts to put the words "death" and "addiction" on cigarette-warning labels.

Clearly he was using his sister's death as an insincere plug for his candidacy.

I think the Edwards' mourning should also have been private.

PS - SMW was not saying that John Edwards felt joy about his wife's cancer (read it again).
And Ann Coulter never made fun of the death of their son.

Mrs. Edwards should not use her late son as a shield.

Coulter Law #3 - Liberals choose spokespeople that, if you argue against them, will make you look cruel and heartless.
That's why the Michael J Fox thing got so overblown. Carolyn McCarthy. Elizabeth Glaser. The Jersey wives. Christopher Reeve. Nicholas Berg's father. Cindy Sheehan.

:rolleyes:

To claim that all "the liberals" in America somehow took a vote or a poll and then Michael J Fox was "chosen" as their spokesperson is assinine. In the extreme.

...."the liberals" did not get together and vote to choose Elizabeth Glaser as their spokesperson.

...."the liberals" did not get together and vote to choose the Jersey Wives as their spokespersons.

...."the liberals" did not get together and vote to choose Cindy Sheehan as their spokesperson.

...."the liberals" did not get together and vote to choose Nicholas Berg's father as their spokesperson.

I think it goes without saying that all of those people decided for themselves that they would work for the positive changes in this society that they did indeed strive toward.

And NONE of those people "made" the Rightwinger naysayers who opposed them so stridently "look cruel and heartless".

Elizabeth Glaser and the Jersey Wives and Cindy Sheehan and Chris Reeve and Nicholas Berg's father simply did what they did; what they felt was fair and just and humane......and the Rightwingers responded in the way that they were motivated to respond by their opposing ideology and worldview.

The Rightwingers who despised these people and villified them and criticized them and the things they were fighting for were simply exposed as being what they indeed are.

If that perception happened to be that they were **cruel and heartless** people........well, sometimes in this country the truth is so glaring that there is no choice but for the observers to call a spade a spade.

And so here is Ann Coulter as a guest on Hardball and who does Chris Matthews surprise her with to discuss politics? A mother who lost a son and has metastasized cancer

Cluephone for Brooks; there was no LAW against Ann Coulter having a reasonable conversation with the mother in question and treating her like a human being.

What occured was that Coulter knew she had been exposed on national teevee for the despicable, lying, ConservaFascist bitch she is, and the only defense she could bring to bear was to lash out and keep the lies and the and obfuscations coming full steam ahead.

You really, really think he felt JOY about his wife having cancer and how it would not stop his candidacy?? :eek: That is amazing. And yes, they have already suffered the death of a son, which Ann was making fun of. Would you have thought the same thing if one of the candidates you support was faced with the same situation???? I truly doubt it.:rolleyes:
Actually, I wouldn't have used the word JOY, except the poster I was responding to chose that word.

What I think he did was take ADVANTAGE of the terribly sad news to promote his own campaign. Mr. Edwards is a young man, politically speaking. If he had taken the high road and dropped out to be by his wife's side, he would've had a good chance in the next presidential election. With the choice he made, he has no chance in HELL of being elected.

Of course, this is JMHO. I didn't hear that on any talking heads production.

SMW

That little fiasco must've brought him in some big bucks for his pointless campaign.

SMW
I essentially think John Edwards is the political equivalent of a fluff girl in a porno flick; he genuinely enjoys whoring himself out, but let's be honest here, he does it for different reasons (and they're far more calculating, if you ask me).......money and sympathy.

However, let's face it - all we have left over at the end of the day are two people who both love doing what they do behind the scenes.

PS - SMW was not saying that John Edwards felt joy about his wife's cancer (read it again).

I read perfectly well, thank you. She says EdwardS felt REAL JOY IN ANNOUNCING HIS WIFES ILLNESS and how it would not affect his campaign. Illness=cancer - if she did not mean that, that would be great.

And Ann Coulter never made fun of the death of their son.

Oh yeah..?You didn't read the other posts about the bumper sticker - it was years ago, but so what?

Mrs. Edwards should not use her late son as a shield She wasn't using her son for anything - she's a mother! She lost her son - she was attacking Ann because ann had made a joke about her son's death in the past- that would not upset you if your son's death was made fun of?? What is wrong with you people ??- if a liberal had said that - we'd never hear the end of it. Edwards is a mother and a wife- - neither of which Ann is or capable of, in my opinion. You don't have any right to suggest she should not attack someone for making a joke about her sons's death.

EE: I'm making this call as a mother. I'm the mother of that boy who died. My children participate -- these young people behind you are the age of my children. You're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't think that's serving them or this country very well.[/B]APPLAUSE
CM: Thank you very much Elizabeth Edwards. Do you want to -- you have all the time in the world to respond.
AC: I think we heard all we need to hear. The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking. No.

I found it humorous that Edwards asked Coulter to stop with the personal attacks and Coulter says that's asking her to stop speaking. Apparently, even Coulter realizes she's nothing but hot air.

[QUOTE=Brooks]Coulter Law #3 - Liberals choose spokespeople that, if you argue against them, will make you look cruel and heartless.
That's why the Michael J Fox thing got so overblown./QUOTE]

1st, how did "Liberals choose Michael J Fox? He made himself a spokesperson for the disease he has. And nothing was overblown because someone "argued against him", it was overblown when someone mocked him and accused him of faking

[QUOTE=sassyrunner]PS - SMW was not saying that John Edwards felt joy about his wife's cancer (read it again).

I read perfectly well, thank you. She says EdwardS felt REAL JOY IN ANNOUNCING HIS WIFES ILLNESS and how it would not affect his campaign. Illness=cancer - if she did not mean that, that would be great.QUOTE]

Once again, Sassy, JOY wasn't my word. It was Mr. Worm's...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapeworm
Think about what your saying. Do you honestly believe that John Edwards took some real joy in his son's death?

Frankly, I found the whole controversy about the Edwards' decision to continue his campaign in very poor taste and an obvious ploy for the sympathy vote.

From him calling a press conference to announce that his wife has cancer... to her making public statements that it was HER DECISION for him to stay in the race and he was only following her wishes.

What drama!

You asked me what I would think if a candidate I supported was treated so badly. Easy answer -- I would no longer support a candidate who put his political career ahead of his wife's illness. That decision says too much about his lack of character. Period.

SMW

1. To claim that all "the liberals" in America somehow took a vote or a poll and then Michael J Fox was "chosen" as their spokesperson is assinine. In the extreme.
2. Elizabeth Glaser and the Jersey Wives and Cindy Sheehan and Chris Reeve and Nicholas Berg's father simply did what they did; what they felt was fair and just and.....
3. Cluephone for Brooks; there was no LAW against Ann Coulter having a reasonable conversation with the mother in question and treating her like a human being.
4. What occured was that , and the only defense she could bring to bear was to lash out and keep the lies and the and obfuscations coming full steam ahead.1. Give me a break Free. Obviously when I say "liberals" I don't mean every single one, just as you don't mean every single conservative when you say "conservative". Are we going to tie ourselves up with BS like that?

2. Yes they did. But what made them spokespeople? Media attention. They are all media creations.
I think a pretty good barometer as to which way the media leans is to look at who gets propped up by them.
Where are the equivalent sympathetic political media creations from the right?
No, I can't either.
In this particular context, "liberals" and "media" are interchangable.

3. I have no problem with the two of them facing each other. It would have been nice not to give Elizabeth all day to prepare for it and then spring it on Ann Coulter though.
If you had any notion that Chris Matthews had any vestige of balance in his "journalism", even you can see the truth now. I think.

4. What do you mean by lashing out for the purpose of obfuscating?
"Coulter knew she had been exposed on national teevee for the despicable, lying, ConservaFascist bitch she is...."
Oh, I see now. Thanks.

Oh yeah..?You didn't read the other posts about the bumper sticker - it was years ago, but so what?

Enlighten me.
Anyway, what way is the appropriate way to exploit the death of a child? If the Edwards brought it up for politics and sympathy (the way Al Gore did), that's despicable. Don't you think?

I think you're falling right into their laps with this strategy of theirs. If Michael J or Christopher Reeve use their ailments to talk about stem cells; or Carolyn McCarthy about gun control; or Cindy Sheehan about the war, you look like a schmuck if you argue against them. That's exactly the tactic.
And you're carrying their water.

1st, how did "Liberals choose Michael J Fox? He made himself a spokesperson for the disease he has. And nothing was overblown because someone "argued against him", it was overblown when someone mocked him and accused him of faking
People speak before congress everyday. Some speak as family members of people killed by recidivists or illegal aliens. They don't make the news.

"Liberals" chose them, but they wouldn't have made such a splash without the full cooperation of the media. Cindy Sheehan, until she self-destructed, is the best example of this.

As far as Michael J. faking, he himself admitted that in the past he had intentionally under-medicated before he appeared before congress. He politicized this first. That's his prerogative I suppose, but nobody should whine when others join the fray.

EE: I'm making this call as a mother. I'm the mother of that boy who died. My children participate -- these young people behind you are the age of my children. You're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues and I don't think that's serving them or this country very well.[/b]APPLAUSE

She makes my point herself. Does her first point add anything to this particular conversation besides an attempt to stifle a hard response?

Ann Coulter did not make fun of her son's death. She made fun of pompador Edwards' using his son's death as a campaign theme.


That Was No Lady -- That Was My Husband

Jun 28 03:11 PM US/Eastern
By Ann Coulter

The Edwards campaign is apparently still running low on donations, so this week they went back to their top fundraiser: me.

I doubled the ratings of the lowest-rated cable news show on Tuesday by agreeing to go on for a full hour to promote my new paperback version of "Godless" -- a mistake I won't make again. As I was walking to the set, minutes before airtime, it was casually mentioned to me that Elizabeth Edwards, wife of Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, might call in.

For the first time in recorded history, the show's host did not interrupt a guest, but let Elizabeth Edwards ramble on and on, allowing her to browbeat me for being mean to her husband. (This delicate flower is very sensitive to rough words, having hired the Edwards' campaign staffer who wrote this: "What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit"?)

Say, did any TV host ever surprise Al Franken, Bill Maher or Arianna Huffington with a call by the wife of someone they've made nasty remarks about? How about a call to John Edwards from the wife of a doctor he bankrupted with his junk-science lawsuits?

I think I may have tuned out at some point, so I can only speak to the first 45 minutes of Elizabeth Edwards' harangue, but it mostly consisted of utterly dishonest renditions of things I had said on my "Good Morning America" interview this week and a column I wrote four years ago. (You can't rush Edwards' "rapid response team"!) She claimed I had launched unprovoked attacks on the Edwards' dead son and called for a terrorist attack on her husband.

These are bald-faced lies, and the mainstream media knows they are lies. Yet they were repeated ad nauseam on Wednesday by The Associated Press, the AOL pop-up window, CNN, NBC and -- stunningly -- the host of the lowest-rated cable show himself, who personally told me he knew the truth.

So for those of you who haven't read any of my five best-selling books: Liberals are driven by Satan and lie constantly.

Here is my full sentence on "Good Morning America," which the media deceptively truncated, referring to a joke I told about Edwards six months ago that made liberals cry: "But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack -- so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

The usual nut Web sites posted a zillion denunciations of my appearance on "Good Morning America" immediately after I appeared Monday morning. But it didn't occur to any of them to simply lie about what I had said. No, it took them nearly 36 hours to concoct a version of that quote that included the Edwards part, but not the Maher part, or what English language speakers call: "the point."

By tomorrow it will be: "Ann Coulter tried to kill John Edwards on 'Good Morning America'!"

Judging by his fundraising efforts so far, I gather most of you don't know who John Edwards is -- unless you're an overpriced hair dresser. He's the trial lawyer who pretended in court to channel the spirit of a handicapped fetus in front of illiterate jurors to scam tens of millions of dollars off of innocent doctors. According to The New York Times, Edwards told one jury: "She speaks to you through me ... And I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

Let me also quote from campaign consultant Bob Shrum's book "No Excuses":

"(Kerry) was even queasier about Edwards after they met. Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else -- that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before -- and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again."

Apparently every time Edwards began a story about his dead son with "I've never told anyone this before," everyone on the campaign could lip-sync the story with him.

As a commentator, I bring facts like these to the attention of the American people in a lively way. Thus, for example, in a column about the Democratic candidates for president written in 2003, I pointed out that the Democrats refused to discuss the economy or the war, but had recently "discovered a surprise campaign issue: It turns out that several of them have had a death in the family."

(The full column is available at www.jewishworldreview.com, www.humanevents.com and www.townhall.com.)

Among several examples of Democrats talking about a death in the family on the campaign trail was this one:

John Edwards injects his son's fatal car accident into his campaign by demanding that everyone notice how he refuses to inject his son's fatal car accident into his campaign.

Edwards has talked about his son's death in a 1996 car accident on "Good Morning America," in dozens of profiles and in his new book. ("It was and is the most important fact of my life.") His 1998 Senate campaign ads featured film footage of Edwards at a learning lab he founded in honor of his son, titled "The Wade Edwards Learning Lab." He wears his son's Outward Bound pin on his suit lapel. He was going to wear it on his sleeve, until someone suggested that might be a little too "on the nose."

If you want points for not using your son's death politically, don't you have to take down all those "Ask me about my son's death in a horrific car accident" bumper stickers? Edwards is like a politician who keeps announcing that he will not use his opponent's criminal record for partisan political advantage.

Manifestly, I was not making fun of their son's death; I was making fun of John Edwards' incredibly creepy habit of invoking his son's tragic death to advance his political career -- a practice so repellant, it even made John Kerry queasy.

I'm a little tired of losers trying to raise campaign cash or TV ratings off of my coattails, particularly when they use their afflictions or bereavement schedules to try to silence the opposition. From now on, I'm attacking only serious presidential candidates, like Dennis Kucinich.

1. Give me a break Free. Obviously when I say "liberals" I don't mean every single one, just as you don't mean every single conservative when you say "conservative". Are we going to tie ourselves up with BS like that?
No Democrat in the Congress or leaders of the Democratic Party, or 99.9% of liberals told these women to make these points. However, Ann Coulter says we, "put these people up so conservatives can't respond" and the point we are trying to make is that THEY put themselves up, ALL on their own. It is a myth that we purposely put them up. Also, no one said you can't respond to them.

This is just another case of Republican myth-making.

"Liberals" chose them, but they wouldn't have made such a splash without the full cooperation of the media. Cindy Sheehan, until she self-destructed, is the best example of this.
Uhh, the media focused on them to rip them apart...not promote them.

Also, the reason the media focused on Cindy is because she actually camped outside of Bush's home. It wasn't as if the media was like, "Oh a women whose son died is speaking out against the war, we MUST focus on her!" It was like, a mother is actually CAMPING outside of Bush's house. Big difference.

I think what we have all learned from this entire thread is the following:

Foolsworth may have many posts, but has no clue how to post or use common features on this message board.

Also, the reason the media focused on Cindy is because she actually camped outside of Bush's home. It wasn't as if the media was like, "Oh a women whose son died is speaking out against the war, we MUST focus on her!" It was like, a mother is actually CAMPING outside of Bush's house. Big difference.


Let's not pretend that Cindy Sheehan isn't a total media whore activist that used her son's death to promote her beliefs. She didn't even raise the kid, she left him and her husband when he was very young to become a full fledged activist. She's not a mother and she has never had a legitimate argument on the war. She's a total nut job that the media did focus on to sway people to be against the war.

They definitely did choose her over many other moms with sons who have died in Iraq. She told her story in the most compelling and outspoken way possible.

But anyways...

1. Also, no one said you can't respond to them.
2. Uhh, the media focused on them to rip them apart...not promote them.
1. Of course you can respond, but look what happens when you do. You're quoted in partial sentences (as with Ann Coulter) or their own politicization of the issue is overlooked (as with Michael J. Fox).

2. In all the examples I cited, who was "ripped apart"?

They definitely did choose [Cindy Sheehan] over many other moms with sons who have died in Iraq. She told her story in the most compelling and outspoken way possible.
The proof that they (the media) used her for their own agenda is that when she became even more interesting, they ran from her like a bad cheese because she became less credible.

Firstly, [your] should be { you're }.So basically ,you're nun too educated.


You look good in brown.

I think you're falling right into their laps with this strategy of theirs. If Michael J or Christopher Reeve use their ailments to talk about stem cells; or Carolyn McCarthy about gun control; or Cindy Sheehan about the war, you look like a schmuck if you argue against them. That's exactly the tactic.
And you're carrying their water.[/QUOTE]

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This paragraph is basically a classic display
of what The left and Liberals thrive on.They use trickery and
attempt to shush or stymie debate by insisting that UNLESS one
served and then was wounded and then lost a limb like Max Cleland
then they have NO Business making any comments.
In short,Liberals Preach tolerance and diversity,until it rears
it head against their Agenda.Then they're {Liberals} all fang glee
and showing of their true colors.Continually moving the envelope to their advantage.Like with this - Fairness Doctrine - business.
I still don't comprehend the base logic of leftists.
They Demand to be heard,and love to control the debate,yet
when things don't work their way,they're THE First to cry foul
and whine.
They Literally believe they have utmost Poetic License and their
Shit Shines.

1. Of course you can respond, but look what happens when you do. You're quoted in partial sentences (as with Ann Coulter) or their own politicization of the issue is overlooked (as with Michael J. Fox).

1. I love how even though you said we "pick" and "promote" these people so conservatives "can't respond", you've yet to show who actually picked them to go and promote their opinions. I'm still waiting.

2. What happens when you respond? Uhhh, nothing happens. The only reason Ann Coulter got attacked was because she said the women were enjoying their husbands death. That's a personal attack against these women, not a political one. But please, go ahead and debate these women politically and tell them that their message is wrong. NO ONE SAID YOU CAN'T and NO ONE CARES IF YOU DO DEABE THEM. But DO NOT say they are ENJOYING their husbands death, because that crosses the line.

2. In all the examples I cited, who was "ripped apart"?
Cindy Sheehan, the best example out of the whole bunch according to you.

She was TORN apart by people in the news.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
1. To claim that all "the liberals" in America somehow took a vote or a poll and then Michael J Fox was "chosen" as their spokesperson is assinine. In the extreme.



1. Give me a break Free. Obviously when I say "liberals" I don't mean every single one, just as you don't mean every single conservative when you say "conservative". Are we going to tie ourselves up with BS like that?

No. I take your point.

Not "all" liberals chose them.

But you DID assert that "liberals chose them".

Name for me who it was among the 'liberals' who supposedly "chose" people like M J Fox and Nick Berg's father to be spokesmen for liberalism.

2. Elizabeth Glaser and the Jersey Wives and Cindy Sheehan and Chris Reeve and Nicholas Berg's father simply did what they did; what they felt was fair and just.....

2. Yes they did. But what made them spokespeople? Media attention. They are all media creations.

No one said they were spokespeople for the left. None of the people in question have come out claiming --" I am the spokeperson for the left". YOU are making that assertion. You are claiming that the left "chose" them to be spokesmen.

You cannot seem to grasp that some people ---like those you mention-- are motivated by the things that happen to them to begin talking about political issues.

The Media did not "create" these people.

IF the Media had been -for instance- the ones who murdered Cindy Sheehan's son, ...... THEN I would agree with your assertion and say "Yes, the Media "created" Cindy Sheehan.

But they didn't.

The Media did not tell these people to begin speaking. The people you name began to speak their minds, and the Media reported on it.

I think a pretty good barometer as to which way the media leans is to look at who gets propped up by them.
Where are the equivalent sympathetic political media creations from the right?

?!?!?!?

I can only assume you're being facetious.

Exhibit A -----G W B*sh.

(He even said it himself, but I guess that means nothing to a willfully blind partisan like you.)


If you had any notion that Chris Matthews had any vestige of balance in his "journalism", even you can see the truth now. I think.

You're right. Matthews has NEVER been balanced in his "journalism".

I see the truth that Matthews is, was, and always will be a partisan right wing hack.

Matthews has a long history of parroting right-wing talking points that laud Republicans and smear Democrats and Independents.

Chris Matthews has repeatedly compared Americans who are concerned about the war in Iraq to Osama bin Laden.

Matthews in not objective, as any true journalist should be.

Objective journalists don't label Senator Hillary Clinton a "witch" and "a socialist" while touting George Bush's placement on Mount Rushmore.

Objective journalists don't say, (as Matthews did only two months ago) that "Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the left" ---- especially when his (B*sh's) approval is at 36%.

Objective journalists don't make jokes about "fags."

Finally, a coalition of more than 20 of the top progressive and moderate political blogs, with a collective daily readership of over 1 million visitors, including DailyKos, Eschaton, AMERICAblog, MyDD and Annatopia (along with other) is leading a boycott against Matthews' and hhis right-wing bias. They are asking companies to refrain from associating their products with Matthews' hateful, extremist, *forever-kissing-the-ass-of-the-Rightwing* rhetoric.

http://openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/2006/01/frequently-asked-questions.html

Is there anyone else here that thinks Ann is/was an Andy? I really think she is a he. I personally don't care one way or the other but she tries to bring herself/himself over as such a honest goody goody I just think she should be honest.:)

I think what we have all learned from this entire thread is the following:

Foolsworth may have many posts, but has no clue how to post or use common features on this message board.

Oh No ! Not the Post Police.
Please Mr.Post Policeman,don't make me Walk the line.
Don't handcuff me and make me sit in dat Jalopy you call
a cruiser.
I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a nutter Post,Today.
I shorely haven't learnt how to satisfy the Precinct Head,
and we's all knowed his Limburger chest rub is beyond torture.

Oh No ! Not the Post Police.
Please Mr.Post Policeman,don't make me Walk the line.
Don't handcuff me and make me sit in dat Jalopy you call
a cruiser.
I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a nutter Post,Today.
I shorely haven't learnt how to satisfy the Precinct Head,
and we's all knowed his Limburger chest rub is beyond torture.


I actually don't think I have ever commented on the format, etc., of anyone's posts. What are you doing? Typing ten words for each line? Always deleting the [/QUOTE.] tag? Why not just type in sentences?

I don't care about your poor spelling and grammar.... Eh, whatever.

The proof that they (the media) used her for their own agenda is that when she became even more interesting, they ran from her like a bad cheese because she became less credible.


She was never actually credible, but became a public joke long after anyone cared who she was.

And I fail to see how any person with a sense of humor wouldn't like her. The bitch may be caustic, but damn, she's funny. Don't believe me? Read her column.
Funny, hell...she's frickin' hilarious!!!

This paragraph is basically a classic display
of what The left and Liberals thrive on.They use trickery and
attempt to shush or stymie debate by insisting that UNLESS one
served and then was wounded and then lost a limb like Max Cleland
then they have NO Business making any comments.
In short,Liberals Preach tolerance and diversity,until it rears
it head against their Agenda.Then they're {Liberals} all fang glee
and showing of their true colors.Continually moving the envelope to their advantage.Like with this - Fairness Doctrine - business.
I still don't comprehend the base logic of leftists.
They Demand to be heard,and love to control the debate,yet
when things don't work their way,they're THE First to cry foul
and whine.
They Literally believe they have utmost Poetic License and their
Shit Shines.
Translation:"Blah blah blah there are only two sides: the right, and the wrong, blah blah blah."

1. I love how even though you said we "pick" and "promote" these people so conservatives "can't respond", you've yet to show who actually picked them to go and promote their opinions. I'm still waiting.
2. What happens when you respond? Uhhh, nothing happens.
3. Cindy Sheehan, the best example out of the whole bunch according to you.
She was TORN apart by people in the news.1. From post 74: "Where are the equivalent sympathetic political media creations from the right?
No, I can't either.
In this particular context, "liberals" and "media" are interchangable."

2. Read what Ann Coulter supposedly said about John Edwards being attacked by terrorists and what she actually said.
Her comments about the Jersey wives were similarly edited.
That's what happens.

3. What does "people in the news" mean. Journalists?
Please show me examples of this.

1. But you DID assert that "liberals chose them".
Name for me who it was among the 'liberals' who supposedly "chose" people like M J Fox and Nick Berg's father to be spokesmen for liberalism.
2. No one said they were spokespeople for the left. None of the people in question have come out claiming --" I am the spokeperson for the left". YOU are making that assertion.
3. You cannot seem to grasp that some people ---like those you mention-- are motivated by the things that happen to them to begin talking about political issues.
4. The Media did not tell these people to begin speaking. The people you name began to speak their minds, and the Media reported on it.
5. You're right. Matthews has NEVER been balanced in his "journalism".
I see the truth that Matthews is, was, and always will be a partisan right wing hack. 1. As I stated previously, "liberals" and "journalists" in this context are interchangable.

2. No, not in those words. But when supposedly legitimate newspeople interview the Jersey wives about their views on the 9/11 report, someone is considering them extremely credible. Or at least predictably partisan.

3. Many people have motivations. How many of them get repeated media exposure to spout their views? That's where the "creation" part comes in.
It's all very easily done, and it's all done with one specific political point of view.

4. Same answer.

5. Now you're just being silly.

1. From post 74: "Where are the equivalent sympathetic political media creations from the right?
No, I can't either.
In this particular context, "liberals" and "media" are interchangable."
What the hell are you talking about?

There aren't any "sympathetic political media creations" from the right because very few of them have written books or camped outside of Bush's house. If they were to start doing all the things Anti-War activitists do, they would also get attention, albeit positive attention, but attention nontheless from the media.

Also, the idea that, "liberal" and "media" are interchangable is LAUGHABLE. The Republicans are so good at repeating something over and over that people start to accept it at fact. Well, I don't buy it. The media isn't liberal, it is owned by corporations who donate to the Republican party.

2. Read what Ann Coulter supposedly said about John Edwards being attacked by terrorists and what she actually said.
Her comments about the Jersey wives were similarly edited.
That's what happens.
When Ann Coulter was interviewed about it she said that they were enjoying their husbands death because of all the "money" they were making off of them. WTF? How is that defendable?

3. What does "people in the news" mean. Journalists?
Please show me examples of this.
The people who host those news talk shows on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Turn on the TV sometime and you'll see just how "liberal" the media is. Hell, even Rosie O'Donnell was attacked by EVERY cable channel.

Seriously Brooks, you are fighting a loosing battle with this one.

NO ONE on the "left" put these people up, they put themselves up and NO ONE said you can't respond to them. Ann Coulter and you are 100% wrong. Sorry to tell you.

5. You're right. Matthews has NEVER been balanced in his "journalism".
I see the truth that Matthews is, was, and always will be a partisan right wing hack.


5. Now you're just being silly.

IOW, you refuse to follow the link and read how Matthews incessantly panders to, kowtows to and lauds the Right Wing and its leaders while he slams those on "the left"..........(being as there are only a handful of people in this country (Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, et al) who are true leftists, and being as how none of them is ever going to be allowed anywhere near a prominent national news program on television to state their viewpoint where the sheep might possibly hear it and begin to think or question things, I use the term *"the left"* in this context only to describe people who are slightly less conservative than those on the far Right. Like Democrats)

Originally Posted by Brooks -- "Where are the equivalent sympathetic political media creations from the right?


There aren't any "sympathetic political media creations" from the right ..........

I disagree.

There are innumerable people in this country who are extremely rightwing, and who the Media incessantly bows down to and worships and sings the praises of.

The old former warriors down at the VFW or the American Legion who are doing this or that; the man who is interviewed because his son was killed fighting in "the war" who can be counted on to espouse the requisite -*Might Makes Right*, *God-and-Country*, *Gawd Bless Our Troops*- line that is the mantra of virtually every sheep in this nation; the people standing in line at a parade on Mainstreet USA proudly waving the mighty Red White n Blue; the crowds standing respectfully with hands over hearts as the Star Spangled Banner is played; the group having a drive to collect money to buy some article or other for the troops overseas that they do not have; the airplanes -- a demonstration of military invincibility-- flying overhead in formation as the crowds wildly cheer; ............

For every story about (an evil 'anti-war agitator' like) Cindy Sheehan, there are a thousand broadcasts --images and stories-- done in all the various media outlets around the country, such as the ones described above.

.......the Media never --NEVER-- gets tired of showing such images to the masses. The mainstream Media --as one of its absolutely primary tasks-- faithfully helps to accomplish the indoctrination of the citizenry, at all times driving the point into the masses' consciousness that a "good and patriotic American" is one who loves God, the Flag and the military and all things conservative.

Ann Coulter is scum and so is anyone who defends her.

Period.

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I actually don't think I have ever commented on the format, etc., of anyone's posts. What are you doing? Typing ten words for each line? Always deleting the [/QUOTE.] tag? Why not just type in sentences?

I don't care about your poor spelling and grammar.... Eh, whatever.

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I tink you care a whole lots about a lot of Crap,I dude.:woohoo: