IOW, you refuse to follow the link and read how Matthews incessantly panders to, kowtows to and lauds the Right Wing and its leaders while he slams those on "the left"..........(being as there are only a handful of people in this country (Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, et al) who are true leftists, and being as how none of them is ever going to be allowed anywhere near a prominent national news program on television to state their viewpoint where the sheep might possibly hear it and begin to think or question things, I use the term *"the left"* in this context only to describe people who are slightly less conservative than those on the far Right. Like Democrats)

Chomsky is a Jew who hates being Jewish and also Hates America.
He hates America,only because it has strong Inalienable Rights/
Chomsky believes Rights,are inherent only to a Free Society,where
the majority has no real choice other than Salute such absurd
Ideals,as proffered by a Cartoon Anarchist whose badly in need
of a testosterone shot AND a Spanking.Take dat...Avram
I wonder if his "yiddish poetry" has much - Syntactic Structures -.?

Yer Sooooooooooo full of it.
CBN {Christian Broadcast Network} and Jerry Falwell were
extremely well-mannered and polished
When I was a child Jerry Falwell terrified me with his words of hate.
They were hounded Day & Night by You fellow Heathens.
"Godless" bunch a Slimeballs.
I love you too.

She was never actually credible, but became a public joke long after anyone cared who she was.

Public Jokes don't have FIVE Best-selling books to ther credit.
Of course in yer World {Uranus} they prolly doo-doo.

[QUOTE=Evakian]When I was a child Jerry Falwell terrified me with his words of hate.

Yuper ruse.Makes perfeck sense.
I can see You chose yer role model carefully,Their
Herr Chairman.

Ann Coulter is scum and so is anyone who defends her.

Period.

.

So now I'm scum because I like and defend Ann Coulter. Any other pearls of wisdom you wish to share with the rest of us?


Brooks is absolutely right when he says the MSM and liberals are interchangable. They shape the news by what they choose to report and choose to not report, by who they interview and by the questions they ask.

Chris Matthews is a partisan, left wing hack. I have no more problem with that than I do with Rush Limbaugh being a partisan, right wing hack. My problem is with the idiots who cannot recognize Matthews' left leaning bias.

Brooks is absolutely right when he says the MSM and liberals are interchangable.

Nonsense.

If that were the case you would not have --as took place-- the MSM bending over backward to HELP Bush and his lying co-conspirators sell their goddamned little oil war. (and it is interesting to note that many media outlets have since apologized for their abject failure to do their jobs during the run-up to war, and be objective and critical, instead of being the fawning lackeys of the rightwing that they are)

If that were the case you would not have the MSM --like Matthews-- repeatedly denigrating and slamming anything that is the slightest bit "left" in this country while incessantly praising the Rightwing.

If that were the case you would not have the MSM doing the bidding of the Corporations, and not reporting on countless occurences where the Corporations are commiting acts that are highly illegal and harmful to the American Public.


They shape the news by what they choose to report and choose to not report, by who they interview and by the questions they ask.

Absolutely, they do.

And THAT is why we have such an uninformed, apathetic electorate........the Media, folllowing the dictates of their wealthy rightwing owners, are masters at distracting the populace and deflecting blame from the ConservaFascists who run the country.

The Media is nothing but the helpmate for the fascists who are robbing us; I mean, who CARES if the RightWing is squandering TRILLIONS of our taxdollars on a disastrous 'war', right??....who CARES if they're funneling it into the pockets of the military /Industrial complex....what's of supreme importance is where Paris Hilton is at the moment and what she's doing.

:rolleyes:


Chris Matthews is a partisan, left wing hack. .......My problem is with the idiots who cannot recognize Matthews' left leaning bias.


You are the idiot here.

I have posted a link that gives numerous examples of Matthews' propensity to laud the Right while slamming and villifying those he has been able to paint as "the left".

Matthews is a partisan right wing hack. And you have provided nothing to counter the info I have provided that illustrates that fact.

America's mainstream Corporate Media is capitalist-run. But, then, so is the State. Therefore, the citizenry is indoctrinated by the State Media, where concentrated economic and political power set the outer parameters of permissible discourse. (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=21&ItemID=13126)

The only reason Ann Coulter got attacked was because she said the women were enjoying their husbands death. That's a personal attack against these women, not a political one. But please, go ahead and debate these women politically and tell them that their message is wrong. NO ONE SAID YOU CAN'T and NO ONE CARES IF YOU DO DEABE THEM. But DO NOT say they are ENJOYING their husbands death, because that crosses the line.
You're such a stooge...

Matthews is a partisan right wing hack.
Jesus, FT, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times - to you, Tom Daschle is a rightwinger.

Face it...you're a fuckin' kook.

I just saw the clip from Ann Coulter and she flat out lied. She said Bill Mahr wished Cheaney had a heart attack and he "wasn't at all joking when he said it". Of course he was joking, I saw it when he said it. Way to throw Bill Mahr under the bus, when he always refers to Ann as a "friend" and often had her on his show and even defends her at times.

I can't believe Ann is trying to argue that there is a double standard. Look at what happened to her for her "faggot" comment and compare it to what happened to Imus. Double standard?

The thing that bothers me about Ann Coulter is that she makes a career out of saying things for the sole purpose of getting a response out of people, but then when they respond she cries how unfair it is that they are responding. Its like kicking a dog because you want to piss it off, and then complaining when it bites you.

The thing that bothers me about Ann Coulter is that she makes a career out of saying things for the sole purpose of getting a response out of people, but then when they respond she cries how unfair it is that they are responding. Its like kicking a dog because you want to piss it off, and then complaining when it bites you.

Bingo. The woman is extremely bitter and angry (self-hate, anyone?). She like nothing more than to self-righteously wallow in the crap she brings upon herself, all the while playing the "Oh gosh, eveyone's so MEAN to me!" card.

In short, she's a pig. And I'm just about as interested in what she has to say as I am in listening to a pig slopping around in its own shit.

:mad:

Bingo. The woman is extremely bitter and angry (self-hate, anyone?). She like nothing more than to self-righteously wallow in the crap she brings upon herself, all the while playing the "Oh gosh, eveyone's so MEAN to me!" card.
You can't tell me this isn't spot on -

Jun 28 03:11 PM US/Eastern
By Ann Coulter

The Edwards campaign is apparently still running low on donations, so this week they went back to their top fundraiser: me.

I doubled the ratings of the lowest-rated cable news show on Tuesday by agreeing to go on for a full hour to promote my new paperback version of "Godless" -- a mistake I won't make again. As I was walking to the set, minutes before airtime, it was casually mentioned to me that Elizabeth Edwards, wife of Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, might call in.

For the first time in recorded history, the show's host did not interrupt a guest, but let Elizabeth Edwards ramble on and on, allowing her to browbeat me for being mean to her husband. (This delicate flower is very sensitive to rough words, having hired the Edwards' campaign staffer who wrote this: "What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit"?)

Say, did any TV host ever surprise Al Franken, Bill Maher or Arianna Huffington with a call by the wife of someone they've made nasty remarks about? How about a call to John Edwards from the wife of a doctor he bankrupted with his junk-science lawsuits?

I think I may have tuned out at some point, so I can only speak to the first 45 minutes of Elizabeth Edwards' harangue, but it mostly consisted of utterly dishonest renditions of things I had said on my "Good Morning America" interview this week and a column I wrote four years ago. (You can't rush Edwards' "rapid response team"!) She claimed I had launched unprovoked attacks on the Edwards' dead son and called for a terrorist attack on her husband.

These are bald-faced lies, and the mainstream media knows they are lies. Yet they were repeated ad nauseam on Wednesday by The Associated Press, the AOL pop-up window, CNN, NBC and -- stunningly -- the host of the lowest-rated cable show himself, who personally told me he knew the truth.

So for those of you who haven't read any of my five best-selling books: Liberals are driven by Satan and lie constantly.

Here is my full sentence on "Good Morning America," which the media deceptively truncated, referring to a joke I told about Edwards six months ago that made liberals cry: "But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack -- so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

The usual nut Web sites posted a zillion denunciations of my appearance on "Good Morning America" immediately after I appeared Monday morning. But it didn't occur to any of them to simply lie about what I had said. No, it took them nearly 36 hours to concoct a version of that quote that included the Edwards part, but not the Maher part, or what English language speakers call: "the point."

By tomorrow it will be: "Ann Coulter tried to kill John Edwards on 'Good Morning America'!"

Judging by his fundraising efforts so far, I gather most of you don't know who John Edwards is -- unless you're an overpriced hair dresser. He's the trial lawyer who pretended in court to channel the spirit of a handicapped fetus in front of illiterate jurors to scam tens of millions of dollars off of innocent doctors. According to The New York Times, Edwards told one jury: "She speaks to you through me ... And I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

Let me also quote from campaign consultant Bob Shrum's book "No Excuses":

"(Kerry) was even queasier about Edwards after they met. Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else -- that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before -- and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again."

Apparently every time Edwards began a story about his dead son with "I've never told anyone this before," everyone on the campaign could lip-sync the story with him.

As a commentator, I bring facts like these to the attention of the American people in a lively way. Thus, for example, in a column about the Democratic candidates for president written in 2003, I pointed out that the Democrats refused to discuss the economy or the war, but had recently "discovered a surprise campaign issue: It turns out that several of them have had a death in the family."

Ann Coulter said one time that Canada sent troops to Vietnam. LOL!

And of course, Bill Maher does not "joke"...but anything Ann Coulter says that is offensive is, "just a joke"...riiiight?

I just saw the clip from Ann Coulter and she flat out lied. She said Bill Mahr wished Cheaney had a heart attack and he "wasn't at all joking when he said it". Of course he was joking, I saw it when he said it.
She was wrong for saying that. I'm sure he was joking. It's simply too bad that when Ann "jokes" about horrible shit, she's the first one people just love to throw under that proverbial bus you were talking about earlier.

Has it ever happened to Mahr? Case in point.
I can't believe Ann is trying to argue that there is a double standard.
There is.
Look at what happened to her for her "faggot" comment and compare it to what happened to Imus. Double standard?
She wasn't fired because she works for herself. Imus was fired for political reasons. I imagine if she were employed by Clear Channel at the time she said it, she would've been fired too.
The thing that bothers me about Ann Coulter is that she makes a career out of saying things for the sole purpose of getting a response out of people, but then when they respond she cries how unfair it is that they are responding. Its like kicking a dog because you want to piss it off, and then complaining when it bites you.
Nonsense.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." --- Ann Coulter

This is not the statement of a rational human being.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." --- Ann Coulter

This is not the statement of a rational human being.

Sometimes being TOO "rational" has it's drawback.
People tend to shutter at the " Pavlov's Dog " remedy.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." --- Ann Coulter


This is not the statement of a rational human being.

No, it isn't.

But it IS the sort of statement a die-hard ConservaFascist --like Ann Coulter-- could be expected to make.

_____________________________

I discovered something recently, that might help to explain, perhaps, the bizarre spewings of the Frankenstein-ish creature going by the name 'Ann Coulter'.

It has been said that when people undergoing the process of a sex change are taking the massive doses of hormones that they have to ingest, they often tend to be quite erratic and nonsensical. (also, that could perhaps explain her odd physical appearance)

http://www.quizlaw.com/blog/images/coulter1.jpg

Interesting. Has anyone here ever seen a woman with an Adam's apple like that.......??

No, it isn't.

But it IS the sort of statement a die-hard ConservaFascist --like Ann Coulter-- could be expected to make.

_____________________________

I discovered something recently, that might help to explain, perhaps, the bizarre spewings of the Frankenstein-ish creature going by the name 'Ann Coulter'.

It has been said that when people undergoing the process of a sex change are taking the massive doses of hormones that they have to ingest, they often tend to be quite erratic and nonsensical. (also, that could perhaps explain her odd physical appearance)

http://www.quizlaw.com/blog/images/coulter1.jpg

Interesting. Has anyone here ever seen a woman with an Adam's apple like that.......??
***********************************
Well,it wood be extremely newsworthy,if it were true.
That Miss Coulter is actually a Monsieur.
Still what has all that gotta dude,with yer cranky ass Adam's apple.
I mean,like we really don't need to GOad there.
Having you submit a pic of yer arse,to see what size Adam's apple
You have.

Coulter has made some good points, but she is just really bitter and cold-hearted. I don't care for her, but yea i read that article in my paper today and I agreed with alot, just not the lashing out and smearing stuff. She needs to quit that if she wants to gain any kind of credibility.

Oh and if you have to talk about adam's apples then you might as well just not post on the thread.

cluephone for the idiots among us; females do not have an adams apple.

Men do.

She was wrong for saying that. I'm sure he was joking. It's simply too bad that when Ann "jokes" about horrible shit, she's the first one people just love to throw under that proverbial bus you were talking about earlier.

Has it ever happened to Mahr? Case in point.

By "IT" I'm assuming you're refering to the act of saying something offensive and getting in trouble for it, and the answer to that is a resounding YES, it has happened to Mahr. Recall the heat he took for his comments on Politically Incorrect after 9-11. So Ann's double standard claim is shot.

She wasn't fired because she works for herself. Imus was fired for political reasons. I imagine if she were employed by Clear Channel at the time she said it, she would've been fired too.

He wasn't fired for "politcal reasons". He was fired because the media put the heat on him because he offended people, something Ann Coulter claims doesn't happen to Liberals. She might work for herself, but someone publishes her books, yet I don't see the same level of attack to get her publishers to drop her that we saw against Imus.

Nonsense.

Since that's EXACTLY what she does, please explain how its nonsense. Are you saying she doesn't say offensive things and then complain about the result later?

Okay let's talk adam's apples...

I really don't feel like defending coulter in any instance, but first I want to get your take FT... so she is a man right?

I mean, it can't be that she's a thin lady, or that she was swallowing(... nevermind) when the still image was taken... the fact that someone took the time to get the pic and make a nice little circle with an arrow speaks a bit...

Who knows, maybe she IS a man.. LOL

Okay let's talk adam's apples...

I really don't feel like defending coulter in any instance, but first I want to get your take FT... so she is a man right?

I mean, it can't be that she's a thin lady, or that she was swallowing(... nevermind) when the still image was taken... the fact that someone took the time to get the pic and make a nice little circle with an arrow speaks a bit...

Who knows, maybe she IS a man.. LOL
Hey, there have been countless pictures of Ann Coulter with an Adam's Apple.

Like, I don't care what she looks like. I dont physically attack people's personal looks because I don't like their political beliefs, like people do to Rosie O'Donnell.

first I want to get your take FT... so she is a man right?

I don't know.

"Ms" Coulter appears to be a man undergoing the process of sex change.

Like, I don't care what she looks like.

Like, then how come you are in another thread arguing that liberal women are hotter... obviously look is more important to you than most...

Like, then how come you are in another thread arguing that liberal women are hotter... obviously look is more important to you than most...

There are a few Hot Liberals Chicks or Babes.
Like Paula Zahn or even Katie Courca.
But they usually Reconsider their Polemic and change.
The Hottest Liberal Babe is indubitably Laura Schwartz.
Former Special asst. to the President,or namely,Slick Willy's
White House Babe,in waiting.

There are a few Hot Liberals Chicks or Babes.
Like Paula Zahn or even Katie Courca.

Zahn and Couric as..."liberals"........................?!?!?!? :@@:


Both Katie Couric and Paula Zahn exhibit a mindset similar to that of Chris Matthews; endless criticism for and villification of things of a liberal nature and of people who dare to question the band of thieves currently inhabiting the White House; lavish praise for and deference to the status quo, to Republicanism and to its leaders.

There are a few Hot Liberals Chicks or Babes.
Like Paula Zahn or even Katie Courca.
But they usually Reconsider their Polemic and change.
The Hottest Liberal Babe is indubitably Laura Schwartz.
Former Special asst. to the President,or namely,Slick Willy's
White House Babe,in waiting.

Paula and Katie are not liberals and believe it or not .. they aren't HOT either.

At the moment, I have to catch a flight for LAX but I'll check back later to see if you substituted 2 other women that truly are liberal (and HOT :D)

Paula and Katie are not liberals and believe it or not .. they aren't HOT either.


Well, "hot" is entirely subjective.

But them being deemed "liberals".........puuuhleeeeze.

Zahn is on televison for the express purpose of drumming the GOP talking points into the heads of the sheep. (http://mediamatters.org/items/200411090007)

Zahn continually slams those questioning the Rightwingers, while defending and making excuses for the liars on the Right. (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/05/zahn-mcgovern/)

I saw Ann Coulter on Glen Beck's show trying to claim that the word "faggot" is not a slur and it only means "weak". What???

Regarding Ann's claim about the double standard against conservatives, sure she said the same thing Bill Mahr said and got into more trouble. But you have to take the venue into account. Mahr's show is on late night on HBO and Ann's comments were on Good Morning America. There are many comments said on Mahr's show by himself and his guests (liberal and conservative) that don't create any controversy, but if said on GMA they would definitely get attention and probably get some people fined.

Try telling liberals Don Imus (who got fired), Bill Mahr (fired), and The Dixie Chicks (boycotted) that there is not a double standard. The Dixie Chicks are another example of people who got in trouble for saying something many others have said before them, but they said it in the wrong venue. Natalie Maime's comment about Bush was not as bad as calling him a faggot, but they got in much more trouble than Ann Coulter did for calling Edwards a faggot. Maybe next time The Dixie Chicks will only call Bush a faggot.

I'd like to see just how involved with politics some of these "hot liberal divas" actually are...

they probably say something like "George Bush sucks", or make a donation to moveon.org and suddenly they are alive and active liberals...

Anyone can have political leanings, that's fine, but if you don't do anything about it then you can't be a posterchild for your political leaning.

Like, then how come you are in another thread arguing that liberal women are hotter... obviously look is more important to you than most...
Uhhh, I didn't start the thread and I really don't care about looks...I'm just stating a fact. :)

I was glad to see ANN stand up to all these phony liberals who think they can bad mouth conservatives but think there off limits to comebacks 3 cheers for ANN. and to all you brainwashed liberal kool aid drinking fools :stfu

I was glad to see ANN stand up to all these phony liberals who think they can bad mouth conservatives but think there off limits to comebacks 3 cheers for ANN.I see. Coulter was getting back at Edwards -- he bad mouthed her so she called him a faggot. I am curious, though. When did Edwards bad mouth Coulter?

Also, it's "they're", not "there" in this instance. and to all you brainwashed liberal kool aid drinking fools :stfuWelcome to allForums. :)

He's not really that new Sedan... he's the one who called Ron Paul a "liberal wacko"... :lolhit:

He's not really that new Sedan... he's the one who called Ron Paul a "liberal wacko"... :lolhit:Well, he joined in the last month and only has six posts. But yeah, he showed up for a day then disappeared. I thought maybe I could draw him out a little but I think he's just another hit-and-run poster.

Well, he joined in the last month and only has six posts. But yeah, he showed up for a day then disappeared. I thought maybe I could draw him out a little but I think he's just another hit-and-run poster.

- " draw him out " - Eh ?
Hmm,I don't suppose this is some kinda Cat & Mouse game.
Like in yer spare time,you find it amusing to Toy with Us.
I meanie...THEM.
I'm s'notta "Us".
I'm a Me,me,me,me.... Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !
Got it ?

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." --- Ann Coulter

This is not the statement of a rational human being.
It absolutely is. Not only is it rational, it's pragmatic. With the exception of the "conversion to Christianity" comment (which I'm pretty sure was said for effect - I mean, after all, it's what the radical church elders of Islam preach, and the kicker is, they MEAN it), she's 100% on target. Face it - if you want this war to end and peace to prevail, then prepare to blowtorch radical Islam. They've waged holy war on the west - what do you wanna do about it?

Violence begets violence, you dickshit.

Only the dead have seen the end of war. -- Plato

Originally Posted by Vilepagan
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." --- Ann Coulter

This is not the statement of a rational human being.

It absolutely is. Not only is it rational, it's pragmatic.

Ummm...yes, I guess it is..........that is, IF no consideration whatsoever to ethics or humanity or morality or right-or-wrong is brought into the equation, I suppose you could say it is "pragmatic".

I truly believe that Coulter (and you, her cheerleader) would find it perfectly "right" and acceptable and preferable for the USA to --if it were possible-- drop countless nuclear weapons on the other countries around the planet, murdering the vast majority of the rest of the humankind, while enslaving the rest; allowing to live only that precise number of humans necessary to do the labor required to produce the requisite goods and services that would keep America in the lap of luxury.




With the exception of the "conversion to Christianity" comment (which I'm pretty sure was said for effect - I mean, after all, it's what the radical church elders of Islam preach, and the kicker is, they MEAN it)

I have no doubt whatsoever that the inhuman succubus going by the name *Ann Coulter* MEANS it also...and that she is a stronger advocate of doing it (i.e., forcefully converting anyone who opposes us to "our" religion) than the radical Islamists are of doing it to us.

Meaning that Coulter is every bit as monstrous and despicable as the radical Islamists you purport to loathe so much.


Face it - if you want this war to end and peace to prevail, then prepare to blowtorch radical Islam. They've waged holy war on the west - what do you wanna do about it?

Yeah........"peace" at the price of slaughering millions of innocent people.

Pol Pot and Hitler didn't have a goddamn THING on you or Ann Coulter, pal. Ideologically, they were mild-mannered pikers, by comparison.


They've waged holy war on the west - what do you wanna do about it?

Riiiiiight.

They "waged war" on this country AFTER this country had killed several hundred thousand of them and bombed them daily for several years.

How rude of them!, to take offense at this country's relentless imperialism, eh?!?!?.....I mean, shucks; just because the American government wanted to kill them and appropriate their massive oil reserves, they go and get all huffy.

Imagine that.

Riiiiiight.

They "waged war" on this country AFTER this country had killed several hundred thousand of them and bombed them daily for several years.
Without putting forth a concerted effort into sounding off like the arrogant, sanctimonious prick I know you strive to be in life, would you mind telling me what period of time are you talking about specifically?

Although, I think I know what you're getting at, and as per usual, it's a wacky, leftist talking point about the Middle East in general -

Sure, we've propped up governments to benefit our interests in the region, but we sure-as-shit didn't push the buttons or pull the triggers. That, my friend, was all their doing. Is it seriously your contention that those wars wouldn't have occurred sans our interference? If so, then consider this conversation over.

Last I can recall, they (radical Islam, that is) attacked us first. You may be a fan of them and their "movement", but I put a pox on those scumbags and everyone who thinks like them. And guess who has bigger guns, asshole?

You keep fighting the good fight, okay?

Ann Coulter said one time that Canada sent troops to Vietnam. LOL!

And of course, Bill Maher does not "joke"...but anything Ann Coulter says that is offensive is, "just a joke"...riiiight?

you only hate her for her political views, fascist! You cant stand the thought of a skinny straight white woman with a political view opposite yours! you are scum!!!!!!!!!

you only hate her for her political views, fascist! You cant stand the thought of a skinny straight white woman with a political view opposite yours! you are scum!!!!!!!!!
You should lay off the methamphetamines there, buddy.

When you're right you're right, Praetorian and in this instance you are quite right. War is waged to be won not to be PC.

you only hate her for her political views, fascist! You cant stand the thought of a skinny straight white woman with a political view opposite yours! you are scum!!!!!!!!!

Maybe you only agree with her since she is a "skinny white woman".

Nah! He agrees with her for the same reason I agree with her. She skewers Democrats and liberals. Three cheers for Ann Coulter.

Nah! He agrees with her for the same reason I agree with her. She skewers Democrats and liberals. Three cheers for Ann Coulter.

You are not hard to impress I guess. So, if someone just come out saying outrageous, insensitive, mean and degrading I guess you'd like them too.

People should be ASHAMED of defending Coulter.

Nah! He agrees with her for the same reason I agree with her. She skewers Democrats and liberals. Three cheers for Ann Coulter.
Yes, three cheers for a woman in her 40s who still calls people "faggot". What a stand up woman.

Yes, three cheers for a woman in her 40s who still calls people "faggot". What a stand up woman.

yeah real classy!

Whine, whine, whimper, whimper.

Ann Coulter is so mean. She says mean things about Democrats and liberals. How can she do such things?

Of course it is okay for Maher to say he wished Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack. It is okay for Alec Baldwin to say Hyde's wife and children should be killed. It is okay for liberals to say any hateful thing they want.

What a bunch of crybabies you liberals are. You love going around goring Republican oxen but as soon as one of yours is gored you mewl and whinge like three year olds.

Ann Coulter shows you for what you are, a bunch of whining crybabies.

Go Ann!!!!!!!

Of course it is okay for Maher to say he wished Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack. It is okay for Alec Baldwin to say Hyde's wife and children should be killed. It is okay for liberals to say any hateful thing they want.Where did anyone on this forum condone those people's comments? No one did. You're using hyperbole and mistruth to fill a juvenile post that doesn't address the issue of Ann Coulter's own immaturity and bigotry.

And you are expressing great dudgeon in one instance and none or almost none in the other. Coulter is being called a witch while liberals who do the same or worse are being ignored.

Where did anyone on this forum condone those people's comments? No one did. You're using hyperbole and mistruth to fill a juvenile post that doesn't address the issue of Ann Coulter's own immaturity and bigotry.

It's all part & parcel of ENABLING,which is another form of
Bandwagon Logic.By NOT openly condemning and taking to
task,very troubling and wrong-sided statements,especially by
high payed Hollywood types,a Liberal,in essence,is condoning and
accepting as suitable,such said inflammatory and illegal threats
against 2 very important Great Americans,namely Cheney & Hyde
NOT Maher & Baldwin. Got it Thar...Bub ?
That is the approach of Liberals of Leftists.
To remain purposedly MUTE when one of their own,commits
a verifiable HUGE Faux pas.

Why is it okay for anyone of any party to act in the way she is? Why does pathetic democratic behaviour justify her actions?

Behaviour is not political it is ethical or moral. Do you guys lose your morals or ethics when you attach party loyalty.

If so, no wonder the world is so messed up.

Why is it okay for anyone of any party to act in the way she is? Why does pathetic democratic behaviour justify her actions?

Behaviour is not political it is ethical or moral. Do you guys lose your morals or ethics when you attach party loyalty.

If so, no wonder the world is so messed up.

Exactly correct, Sal. *



* I'm more and more impressed with you every time you post. Way to go!

Exactly correct, Sal. *



* I'm more and more impressed with you every time you post. Way to go!
Well except for the death penalty we pretty much have a similar outlook although that just may be fear on my part from when you grab your gun. ;)

1. There aren't any "sympathetic political media creations" from the right because very few of them have written books or camped outside of Bush's house.
2. The media isn't liberal, it is owned by corporations who donate to the Republican party.
3. The people who host those news talk shows on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Turn on the TV sometime and you'll see just how "liberal" the media is. Hell, even Rosie O'Donnell was attacked by EVERY cable channel.
4. NO ONE on the "left" put these people up, they put themselves up and NO ONE said you can't respond to them. Ann Coulter and you are 100% wrong. Sorry to tell you.1. The sympathetic icons from the left don't have to write books. Nick Berg's father got his fifteen minutes. When soldiers were similarly tortured and killed, do you hear the political views of their families? Were political books written by or were campgrounds started by the Jersey wives? Seriously, of all the families affected by 9/11, who the hell were they? Partisans, that's all

2. Stephanopoulos worked for Clinton, Matthews for Moynihan and Russert for Tip O'Neill. Are those the balanced reporters to whom you refer? The ownership is irrelevant.
Rupert Murdoch hosted a fundraiser for Hillary. Does he represent the Republican Corporate ownership.

3. "The people who host those news talk shows on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News." I asked what you meant by the "people in the news" who you claimed were attacking Cindy Sheehan and the above is your answer. Can you be a wee bit more specific?

Is Rosie O'Donnell the new Marilyn Monroe or Judy Garland? You have this strange affinity for her that I just don't understand.
For a "journalist" to criticize Rosie O'Donnell does not make them partisan in any direction. She is a nasty, lazy, obnoxious carmudgeon whose fame (like that of Moore, Stewart, Olbermann, Maher and Franken) skyrocketed when she became partisan-left.

4. They absolutely were propped up. The media determines airtime.
Do you think The Jersey Wives airtime was determined by their expertise?

IOW, you refuse to follow the link and read how Matthews incessantly panders to, kowtows to and lauds the Right Wing and its leaders while he slams those on "the left"..........(being as there are only a handful of people in this country (Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, et al)
You are under the impression that those who are to the right of you are right wing. With the exception of those two irrelevants you cite (Parenti I've never heard of) pretty much the entire planet is to the right of you.

Overdose: "There aren't any "sympathetic political media creations" from the right ..........

Freethinker: I disagree.

There are innumerable people in this country who are extremely rightwing, and who the Media incessantly bows down to and worships and sings the praises of.

The old former warriors down at the VFW ... American Legion ... the man who is interviewed because his son was killed .Thanks Free. I said Cindy Sheehan's fame was intentionally created and to counter that you cite
"the man who is interviewed because his son was killed".
Exactly my point - YOU CAN'T NAME HIM!!!!!

Why was Cindy Sheehan a household word but this "man" isn't?????
The answer is more than obvious.

Thanks for this example. I'll be using it in the future.

Way to throw Bill Mahr under the bus, when he always refers to Ann as a "friend" and often had her on his show and even defends her at times.
....but then when they respond she cries how unfair it is that they are responding. Her point in bringing up Bill Maher is to show how she is partially quoted or misquoted.
"But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack -- so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Here is how Dhrama re-told it:
Ann Coulter is scum, yet at the same time she is a-typical of American conservatives...
"If I am going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I will just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assasination." - Ann Coulter"

If you want Ann Coulter to go away, quit proving her right.

By "IT" I'm assuming you're refering to the act of saying something offensive and getting in trouble for it, and the answer to that is a resounding YES, it has happened to Mahr. Recall the heat he took for his comments on Politically Incorrect after 9-11. So Ann's double standard claim is shot.Recall also that Maher's claim was that the terrorists were brave and our troops weren't.

That tops Imus.

I saw Ann Coulter on Glen Beck's show trying to claim that the word "faggot" is not a slur and it only means "weak". What???
On the "Ann Coulter Calls John Edwards a Faggot" thread I made the same point. I used the phrase "effete nerd" actually.

Mikezilla has a great link on the bottom of his posts called "Art in its highest form"
In it, the late Kirsty McCall sings a song, she wrote, with the Pogues called "Fairytale of New York". It's about a volatile love / hate relationship.
This is one line from it:
"....ya' scumbag, ya' maggot, ya' cheap lousy faggot..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltiY-BqvOIU

Everyone, PLEASE lighten up with the gay assignation of the word fag and faggot. It hasn't strictly meant gay since the fifties.


PS - even if you don't know who the Pogues are, this is a great video.

Is Rosie O'Donnell the new Marilyn Monroe or Judy Garland? You have this strange affinity for her that I just don't understand.
LMAO!

Everyone, PLEASE lighten up with the gay assignation of the word fag and faggot. It hasn't strictly meant gay since the fifties.


Your complete disconnection from reality really cracks me up sometimes Brooks.

:lolhit:

I guess that's a s good a response as any Dharma considering that Brooks has shredded the liberals into tiny little bits.


Way to go, Brooks.

I guess that's a s good a response as any Dharma considering that Brooks has shredded the liberals into tiny little bits.

He did?
Did he use a woodchipper like in that movie Fargo?

You are a useful idiot Frogger.

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Brooks]Recall also that Maher's claim was that the terrorists were brave and our troops weren't.

Excellent point that needs little in the way of further explaining.
But there are those Leftist spin mesiters who'll argue that
after all Maher IS a comic.As if that justifies or makes appear as if
Maher said in the throes of comic relief.
Like his fellow pal and counterpart,Dennis Miller,said just last
week on O'Reilly,Maher is purdy damn serious about his Politics.
And that he does Go over the line,almost regularly.
And NOT for Comic Relief.

[QUOTE=Brooks]Recall also that Maher's claim was that the terrorists were brave and our troops weren't.

Excellent point that needs little in the way of further explaining.
But there are those Leftist spin mesiters who'll argue that
after all Maher IS a comic.As if that justifies or makes appear as if
Maher said in the throes of comic relief.
Like his fellow pal and counterpart,Dennis Miller,said just last
week on O'Reilly,Maher is purdy damn serious about his Politics.
And that he does Go over the line,almost regularly.
And NOT for Comic Relief.

Foolie, oh foolie, you need to leave the dark side and step slightly to the left.... it's so much more fun over here (in the light) with us heathens... :D

edited to add (in the light)

I love how when talking about Bill Maher, rightwingers claim there is a line and that "he crosses it regularly" but if you bring up Ann Coulter there suddenly is no lines, no boundaries and nothing is off limits.

Rightwing Hypocrisy knows no limits.

:rolleyes:

they both suck and should be placed on an island together

they both suck and should be placed on an island together

They did used to date, you know.

Maybe CBS could make it into a reality show.

:thumbs:

Rightwing Hypocrisy knows no limits.
This from the person who just partially quoted Ann Coulter from an article about how people partially quote her.

Your complete disconnection from reality really cracks me up sometimes Brooks.
You're right. It is only in this faraway mythical land called Ireland (eyer - land) that songwriters use "faggot" as a non-gay insult.

In the real world it only absolutely always purely strictly definitively means gay.

And you are expressing great dudgeon in one instance and none or almost none in the other. Coulter is being called a witch while liberals who do the same or worse are being ignored.
The US had less of a response to Mao than they did Hitler. I suppose this means that the chairman is just hunky dory in our country's eyes.

Stop that Frogger.

The US had less of a response to Mao than they did Hitler. I suppose this means that the chairman is just hunky dory in our country's eyes.
And they tell me I'm going back too far when I bring up Clinton.

And they tell me I'm going back too far when I bring up Clinton.
If 7 years ago is too far back then we've a strange concept of time rattling around people's heads.

This from the person who just partially quoted Ann Coulter from an article about how people partially quote her.

What quote are you referring to?

Her quotes stand on their own. Quoting her entire articles at a time adds no context to improve how her comments look.

:thumbs:

In the real world it only absolutely always purely strictly definitively means gay.

Woah... was that brief visit to "reality" difficult for you Brooks? Was it traumatic pulling your head from the sand for the brief moment it took to write that sentence?

I am sure you really do believe that Ann Coulter was calling John Edwards a cigerette or something else besides a homosexual male...

and that is precisely the disconnection from reality that cracks me up about you my friend.

:thumbs:

I am sure you really do believe that Ann Coulter was calling John Edwards a cigerette or something else besides a homosexual male...
1. Did you read the quote from the song? She's calling an ex-boyfriend a faggot. It's an insult not meaning gay, and a lot of people us it similarly.

Instead of the snide barbs just answer the question. Do people mean gay everytime they say fag or faggot?

What quote are you referring to?
Her quotes stand on their own. Quoting her entire articles at a time adds no context to improve how her comments look. Here's what she said:
"Here is my full sentence on "Good Morning America," which the media deceptively truncated, referring to a joke I told about Edwards six months ago that made liberals cry: "But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack -- so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Which you "deceptively truncated" to this:
"If I am going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I will just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assasination." - Ann Coulter"

If you didn't have her entire quote available to you, then okay, shoddy research.
But if you did this on purpose you really stink.

Ok, lets talk about deceptive quoting Brooks.

"But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack -- so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

1. Bill Maher never said "he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack."
2. Tell me Brooks, what is it about the addition of the lie to her statement that makes it so much more palateable in your opinion?

:rolleyes:

I just saw the clip from Ann Coulter and she flat out lied. She said Bill Mahr wished Cheaney had a heart attack and he "wasn't at all joking when he said it". Of course he was joking, I saw it when he said it. Way to throw Bill Mahr under the bus, when he always refers to Ann as a "friend" and often had her on his show and even defends her at times.

I can't believe Ann is trying to argue that there is a double standard. Look at what happened to her for her "faggot" comment and compare it to what happened to Imus. Double standard?

The thing that bothers me about Ann Coulter is that she makes a career out of saying things for the sole purpose of getting a response out of people, but then when they respond she cries how unfair it is that they are responding. Its like kicking a dog because you want to piss it off, and then complaining when it bites you.

Bingo from me too - Bill Maher is a COMEDIAN - she's not - well, I'm not certain WHAT she is besides scum; and frankly I think a pig is much, much better than coulter.:)

Bingo from me too - Bill Maher is a COMEDIAN - What license exactly is he entitled to for that.

Dhrama, I can honestly say I don't know what you're talking about.

You're right. It is only in this faraway mythical land called Ireland (eyer - land) that songwriters use "faggot" as a non-gay insult.

In the real world it only absolutely always purely strictly definitively means gay.

I'm sorry, how long has Ann Coulter been Irish?

I challenge you, or Ann Coulter, to stop 100 people at random and ask them what "faggot" means. Then get back to me.

Whine, whine, whimper, whimper.

Ann Coulter is so mean. She says mean things about Democrats and liberals. How can she do such things?

Of course it is okay for Maher to say he wished Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack. It is okay for Alec Baldwin to say Hyde's wife and children should be killed. It is okay for liberals to say any hateful thing they want.

What a bunch of crybabies you liberals are. You love going around goring Republican oxen but as soon as one of yours is gored you mewl and whinge like three year olds.

Ann Coulter shows you for what you are, a bunch of whining crybabies.

Go Ann!!!!!!!

Actually, the most whining is coming from Ann herself. Each time she says something inapropriate she goes on a talk show tour whining about how unfair she is being treated. The most recent inappropriate act was defending calling Edwards a faggot by saying she should have wished he died in a terrorist act instead (yes I saw the whole quote...the mainstream media). Of course you'd have to go back to my explaination about Bill Mahr making his comment in a completely different venue than Ann to understand why his comments didn't make news. I've seen some of Mahr's conservative guests make comments on his show worse than Ann Coulter's and they didn't make news either. But you'll continue to cry about a double standard. Try telling Rosie O'Donnel about this double standard, because she doesn't receive any crap for comments she makes.

I challenge you, or Ann Coulter, to stop 100 people at random and ask them what "faggot" means. Then get back to me.
It means John Edwards, right?

Try telling Rosie O'Donnel about this double standard, because she doesn't receive any crap for comments she makes.
She's only being attacked because she's a fat harpy and a dyke (her word, not mine) to boot. Everything else is ancillary.

Dharma mis-reporting something... what a surprise!!!!

I don't respect Coulter for her name-calling. It's childish and petty. However, politics is politics, and it sinks quite low. I would respect her if she could rise above it, but she can't.

But listening to the entire quote makes the excerpt that all liberals are quoting seem a lot less offensive. You seem to think that because she said it, it's in stone, and there is no way she didn't mean it when used alone and not in the context of a point.

Like i said earlier, I don't like standing up for Ann Coulter, but on THIS point I have to say that she is being set up.

Also, the idea that, "liberal" and "media" are interchangable is LAUGHABLE. The Republicans are so good at repeating something over and over that people start to accept it at fact. Well, I don't buy it. The media isn't liberal, it is owned by corporations who donate to the Republican party.

I'm still waiting for someone to come forward and prove that any corporate-owned media source is automatically republican and hence under strict control of what to say and how to say it. If you can't prove it then quite spewing your crap.


The people who host those news talk shows on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Turn on the TV sometime and you'll see just how "liberal" the media is. Hell, even Rosie O'Donnell was attacked by EVERY cable channel.


I'd like to see a source for that one...

Rosie O'Donnell attacked by EVERY cable channel...

can you please shut your spew-hole?

Cindy Sheehan, the best example out of the whole bunch according to you.

She was TORN apart by people in the news.

She was trumpeted as a martyr on many pieces and cartoons I saw...

Your blanket statements never cease to amaze me.

I challenge you, or Ann Coulter, to stop 100 people at random and ask them what "faggot" means. Then get back to me.
I have used the word fag and faggot since the Fifth Grade (mostly then than now) and not to mean gay.
I don't think your poll of one hundred matters. What matters is what she meant when she said it, don't you think?

She knows he's married, has kids and has probably never been in a homosexual relationship.
Do you honestly think she meant "gay"

Honestly Mertz.

1. Actually, the most whining is coming from Ann herself.
2. Of course you'd have to go back to my explaination about Bill Mahr
1. In an unemotional debate setting she doesn't whine about how she is questioned. Her complaint is that she is misrepresented (see Dhrama as an example).

2. Just using these fora as a microcosm, how many complaints are there about Bill Maher vs. Ann Coulter. Her scrutiny is far greater than his.

Of course it is okay for Maher to say he wished Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack.


You made this same fucking lie at the beginning of this thread.

I have already pointed out once that it is a lie.

Now you have told it again.

By continuing --even after it was pointed out to you that it is false-- to promote this falsehood, we have to recognize;

You are a liar.

I will point it out to you once more; Maher did not say what you are claiming he said.

Just using these fora as a microcosm, how many complaints are there about Bill Maher vs. Ann Coulter. Her scrutiny is far greater than his.
Ya think? :rolleyes:

Whine, whine, whimper, whimper.

Ann Coulter is so mean. She says mean things about Democrats and liberals. How can she do such things?

Of course it is okay for Maher to say he wished Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack. It is okay for Alec Baldwin to say Hyde's wife and children should be killed. It is okay for liberals to say any hateful thing they want.

What a bunch of crybabies you liberals are. You love going around goring Republican oxen but as soon as one of yours is gored you mewl and whinge like three year olds.

Ann Coulter shows you for what you are, a bunch of whining crybabies.

Go Ann!!!!!!!
I'm not a liberal. I'm not a Democrat. And I think Ann Coulter is wholly repulsive.

Frogger, you used to seem like a reasonable guy. Suddenly, you've turned into a closed-minded, partisan hack just like gmsisko or that guy who called Ron Paul a liberal, only with better grammar. You used to use logic and reason in your posts, now they've become infested with ad hominem attacks and lumping all who disagree with you as "liberals", all the better for you to attack people, my dear, because a straw man group of "liberals" is a hell of a lot easier to attack than actual ideas. In short, you're becoming the conservative Freethinker. Before you respond to my post, take a look at what you have written and see if what I said isn't true. I'm usually one of your supporters, and even when I disagree with your opinion, I usually respect the way you say it. Something about the way you state your opinions has changed, and no longer do I hold the same respect for you. I'd like to see the old, logical Frogger back. I hope he's not gone in favor of the emotional, crazy Frogger that has arisen.

Brooks, I find it hard to believe you're still trying to defend Coulter's "faggot" remark by claiming she meant something other than gay. I've just watched the video (again) several times and there's simply no question what she meant. These were her prepared remarks. Coulter is (ostensibly) a wordsmith. She chose the word with deliberation and forethought. In the video we see her pause for effect, feign demureness, then smile as she takes in the audience's reaction. The nervous titters, the whistles and cheers, the applause all indicate that the audience knew exactly what she meant. She knew what she meant and they knew what she meant. You seem to be the only one who doesn't know what she meant. :@@:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCeqZLrhkvQ

[QUOTE=sedan]Brooks, I find it hard to believe you're still trying to defend Coulter's "faggot" remark by claiming she meant something other than gay. I've just watched the video (again) several times and there's simply no question what she meant. These were her prepared remarks. Coulter is (ostensibly) a wordsmith. She chose the word with deliberation and forethought. In the video we see her pause for effect, feign demureness, then smile as she takes in the audience's reaction. The nervous titters, the whistles and cheers, the applause all indicate that the audience knew exactly what she meant. She knew what she meant and they knew what she meant. You seem to be the only one who doesn't know what she meant. :@@:

Brooks is correct.The week Coulter said the "F" word,she immetiately
went into Damage control mode.I remember at least 2 Big telecasts
One being Hannity that she meant what Brooks stated.
Some heretofore obscure,meaning.
Ann Does have ONE dynamic character flaw.
She just can't bring herself to being down to earth,when exposed
around a Fib.
She's a Fib haggler.

Brooks, I find it hard to believe you're still trying to defend Coulter's "faggot" remark by claiming she meant something other than gay.
I don't believe that she believes he is a homosexual man. Do you think she does?

At least your honest enough to admit that "faggot" doesn't always mean gay.
It like pulling teeth around here to get people to acknowledge that.