http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/1103061allgier1.jpg

6/25/07 UPDATE: Allgier was arrested today for allegedly murdering a corrections officer who accompanied him to a medical appointment at the University of Utah's hospital. Allgier somehow wrestled the officer's gun away and then shot him. After carjacking a vehicle, he led police on a high-speed chase that ended at an Arby's restaurant, where Allgier was apprehended.

Facing The Music
Salt Lake City cops seek ink-stained wretch on parole warrant
NOVEMBER 3--Meet Curtis Allgier. The 27-year-old felon, who is affiliated with the Aryan Brotherhood, is a parole fugitive currently being sought by Salt Lake City cops. Allgier, pictured in the below mug shot, should be fairly easy to spot, considering his piercing blue eyes and that fetching soul patch. For other distinctively tattooed arrestees, click here, here, here, here, here, and here.(1 page)

11/6 UPDATE: After two days on the lam, Allgier was apprehended Saturday by SWAT officers at a Salt Lake City motel. Not surprisingly, after Allgier's photo was broadcast on TV, police received several tips regarding his whereabouts. According to cops, an armed Allgier barricaded himself inside a room, but was eventually nabbed after he went up into the building's attic and fell through the floor.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1103061allgier1.html

He really disrespected his body. A nazi, a skin head... a pity. I wondered what spawned him?

eeww....who does that to themselves?
Tattoo's are neat and I feel they tell a story about the person they are on,but that's way over the top.

When I read this story, my first question was: What the hell is a 60 year old man doing guarding this guy?
The corrections department needs to look at the physical qualifications of its personnel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070625/ap_on_re_us/medical_center_shooting_10;_ylt=AvGm_NpI8c4kkvW5mV PWWfpkM3wV

When I read this story, my first question was: What the hell is a 60 year old man doing guarding this guy?

My first question was "why did he have a gun"?

Most places, it pretty standard to be armed when guarding a prisoner, outside of the prison, or jail.

Most places, it pretty standard to be armed when guarding a prisoner, outside of the prison, or jail.

I'm thinking a stun belt would work better.

I'm thinking a stun belt would work better.


Thats something you can take up with state and local authorities. Maybe you can get them to change policies. However the flack over the use of Tasers might make them think twice about it.

I hope they give him a black cellmate. A really big black cellmate.

I hope they give him a black cellmate.

A black coffin would be more fitting.

A black coffin would be more fitting.
Absolutely correct, sir.

I'm wondering how the guy expected to be able to escape and then blend in to the general population. Didn't the idiot think anyone would recognize him from the APB?

eeww....who does that to themselves?
Tattoo's are neat and I feel they tell a story about the person they are on,but that's way over the top.

That is Sooooooooooo juvenile and irresponsible.
I was raised to think of Tattoo's ONLY ONE WAY.
The CORRECT way.
Tattoo's are a stigma.They do absolutely nothing to
enhance one's character or personality.
Some may think,erroneously,they make one appear tough.
But a Tattoo does nothing to make one tough,funny or add
to their persona.
All a Tattoo does is BRAND.
They are THE clearest sign of a Loser.
Just like the 50's stereotype.
I don't give a Gill Hooley how popular or prevalent they've become.
Only someone with a defective sense of worth,should even DREAM of
having a Tettoo.

I was raised to think of Tattoo's ONLY ONE WAY.
The CORRECT way.

:rolleyes:

Yeah. The 'conservative way', no doubt.

:rolleyes:

Yeah. The 'conservative way', no doubt.

Yes,obviously you have a real issue with sheer " correctness ".
I doubt you even had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests.
Just like that gutter,skin head.
There's a reason he had all that print work scribbled on himself.
He was apparently proud to be noticed as a Loser and a
scumbag.Some folk,have little choice,so they dedicate their
life to the advertisement of sheer stupidity.
I also doubt he ever lettered in Sports,or actually enjoyed
the simple pursuits of youth.Like fishing,camping,hiking or
taking in a good movie with friends.
Probably grew up over top a Blue Movie house,with a
sleezy corner bar,in earshot.

Tats just give people a fake sense of toughness. This kid must have been very insecure, or quite the weakling.

Of course, people never get tattoos just because they might look good or mean something... right?

Of course, people never get tattoos just because they might look good or mean something... right?
lol those are the reasons I got mine! Mainly because I think it looks awesome though. And now when I get more I think the other big reason will be because it feels SO damn good.

Of course, people never get tattoos just because they might look good or mean something... right?

What on Earth could possibly be so all-fired important to
emboss for Life,on one's skin.
Plus,have you seen any good important Tattoo lately.?
Yer playing right into the hands of those nincoompoops who
try feversihly to find meaning in things that hold none.
Like usin street lingo on Maury to act With-it and Hip.
It's just utter Crap.

I'll go Tattoo shoppin today.Pick out a couple parlors
where seemingly tough guys & gals hang.Spend a widdle
time browsin and pickin out a Tatto,and then decide :
---- Nah,on second thought,You go ahead and have that
Tattoo.It'll look good on you.I don't wanna scummy up my body
with that tripe.--- and then make enough noise so that all those
slugs who Live to just hang around and kibbitz at a Tattoo
Parlor,know full well,what I think about their pasttime hobby of
choice.
Maybe if these Tattoo dweebs had REAL Mother & Father's they
woodn't be so Slackin lazy about dreaming thier lives away at
a Tattoo Parlor,over their next Emboss.

What on Earth could possibly be so all-fired important to
emboss for Life,on one's skin.
Plus,have you seen any good important Tattoo lately.?Lots of people have tattoos that pay tribute to their dead relatives, their religion, their heritage, the military unit they went to war with, etc. Such things are usually pretty damn important to people.

I'll go Tattoo shoppin today.Pick out a couple parlors
where seemingly tough guys & gals hang.Spend a widdle
time browsin and pickin out a Tatto,and then decide :
---- Nah,on second thought,You go ahead and have that
Tattoo.It'll look good on you.I don't wanna scummy up my body
with that tripe.--- and then make enough noise so that all those
slugs who Live to just hang around and kibbitz at a Tattoo
Parlor,know full well,what I think about their pasttime hobby of
choice.
Maybe if these Tattoo dweebs had REAL Mother & Father's they
woodn't be so Slackin lazy about dreaming thier lives away at
a Tattoo Parlor,over their next Emboss.Well, if that's your perception of the type of people who get tattoos then I can clearly understand why you dislike tattoos so much. However, I will also say that you are grossly incorrect.

Well, if that's your perception of the type of people who get tattoos then I can clearly understand why you dislike tattoos so much. However, I will also say that you are grossly incorrect.
Yeah, I'm not a loser or anything like that. I'm a 17 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA; I behave well and help out my parents and don't party too much or anything. Having a tattoo is pretty normal for me. My dad, mom, and step-mom all have them.

Look @ his face :D

Originally Posted by Foolsworth
I was raised to think of Tattoo's ONLY ONE WAY.
The CORRECT way.



Originally Posted by Freethinker -- Yeah. The 'conservative way', no doubt.

I doubt you even had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests.


Thankfully, you are correct.

I was never molested by a patriarchal church figure as a child, nor did I have a sadistic harpy dressed in black slapping my wrists with a ruler.


Just like that gutter,skin head.

?!?!?!

I'm extremely curious as to what information you are in possession of that Curtis Allgier never had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests...........?!?!?

What evidence do you have for that assertion, and where was it obtained?

(note; unlike what you seem to be getting at, from what I have seen and heard about in various news tales throughout my life, my personal observation has been that in terms of criminal behavior the most warped and cold-blooded human beings on the planet are those who were as children thoroughly indoctrinated with religious mania/superstition)

Thankfully, you are correct.

I was never molested by a patriarchal church figure as a child, nor did I have a sadistic harpy dressed in black slapping my wrists with a ruler.




?!?!?!

I'm extremely curious as to what information you are in possession of that Curtis Allgier never had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests...........?!?!?

What evidence do you have for that assertion, and where was it obtained?

(note; unlike what you seem to be getting at, from what I have seen and heard about in various news tales throughout my life, my personal observation has been that in terms of criminal behavior the most warped and cold-blooded human beings on the planet are those who were as children thoroughly indoctrinated with religious mania/superstition)

Geesh ! No wonder it's so hard to penetrate that thick skull of
yers.Just Go to the nearest Penitentiary and look at all the career
criminals and how many have Tattoo's.Ask the local shrink how
many of those hardened lifer's had Bad Family upbringings or an
abusive Mother/Father.

Yeah, I'm not a loser or anything like that. I'm a 17 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA; I behave well and help out my parents and don't party too much or anything. Having a tattoo is pretty normal for me. My dad, mom, and step-mom all have them.
I hear you. I'm not a snotty little loser who hangs out at tattoo parlours either, nor did I get my tattoo to try to look tough. IMO, being tough is far more important than looking tough.

Over the past decade or so tattoos have become more socially acceptable thereby lessening the negative stigma they so long endured. Today the individual sporting body art is as likely to be in a corporate headquarters as in the local Harley shop.

Whenever I see someone with a tat I think they are lower-income and un-educated. :(

Whenever I see someone with a tat I think they are lower-income and un-educated. :(

Figures. Goes a long way in supporting the premise that you're shallow and superficial.

Whenever I see someone with a tat I think they are lower-income and un-educated. :(
Well, wonders never cease....we actually agree on something. (Sorry to everyone here who sports one...)

My grandfather used to call tattoos an idiot's trademark. But then again, he was a self-made millionaire by the time he was 50 years old (in 1950, no less), an old-world conservative, a churchgoing family man, and a patriot. Pretty much everything people like FT have grown to hate, and I can understand why. I mean, what a loser, right?

Having a tattoo is pretty normal for me. My dad, mom, and step-mom all have them.
Hence why you decided to get one, I'm sure. I know it's 2007; there's nothing wrong with it - it just isn't for me is all.

I don't know why, but I can't help thinking they look trashy. That said, 3 of my last 4 girlfriends had 'em, so go figure, eh?

Times are a changin'.

Very few adults in my town have them. None of my parents friends have them, or at least NO tattoos you can see.

When we go to other towns for sporting events, you see adults with tattoos...all the time and in places where everyone can see. They are all smoking cigarettes around there kids, none of which my parents or most of the adults in my town do.

I can't help but see some correlation.

Honestly, what is the difference between my town and others?

1. Education
2. Wealth

Most adults in my town are educated and have a lot of money. A higher percent of adults in other towns aren't educated and don't have a lot of money...and you just happen to see WAY MORE parents smoking and with tattoos all over the place in those towns.

Honestly, what is the difference between my town and others?

1. Education
2. Wealth

Most adults in my town are educated and have a lot of money. A higher percent of adults in other towns aren't educated and don't have a lot of money...and you just happen to see WAY MORE parents smoking and with tattoos all over the place in those towns.
You're absolutely right, OD. I, myself, happen to be a smoker, but you're totally right about that, too - it's a disgusting, lowbrow habit that belongs in a bar, not in public.

Whenever I see someone with a tat I think they are lower-income and un-educated. :(
Shows what you know. I may be unemployed at the moment, but I'm still under 18 too so it's excusable. Plus I'm a 17 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA...

Shows what you know. I may be unemployed at the moment, but I'm still under 18 too so it's excusable. Plus I'm a 17 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA...
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
9 times out of 10......

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
9 times out of 10......
All three of my parents have tattoos. None of them are poor and uneducated. Well my mom is poor but that is by choice since she is quite educated. In the middle of getting her master's degree at the moment actually. Just because we're not as rich as you doesn't mean we're impoverished rednecks or something.

All three of my parents have tattoos. None of them are poor and uneducated. Well my mom is poor but that is by choice since she is quite educated. In the middle of getting her master's degree at the moment actually. Just because we're not as rich as you doesn't mean we're impoverished rednecks or something.
You guys are a rare bunch!! Be proud of that! You're precious.

The problem is, I don't care if you are rich or educated (:rolleyes: )...there is an image with tattoos, and you throw away giving off a good impression if you get one. Sorry to say.

Figures. Goes a long way in supporting the premise that you're shallow and superficial.

Actually Growing up in the 50's THAT Was the rule.
Yes,there were SOME from WWII who had them.
Generally on the arm where they weren't noticed until one
took his shirt off.
But we've slowly Degraded the Culture to accept certain negatives.
There CANNOT be anyway,Anyhow ANY,and I mean ANY
Positive to embossing one's skin with a permanent sign or words.
The appeal Today,is sheer Peer Pressure.
No different than clothes or Hairdo.
Except with ONE HUGE Difference.
A Tattoo is permanent.
Unless one wants to futher Degrade their skin and overlay a Tattoo
with another Tattoo or destroy one's skin.
If people would only stop and think.
What will this Tattoo DO for me.
I doubt even a fuddy-duddy conservative Grandma is willing to
have the same hairdo,her entire Life.
People are sheer Fool's.I just Proved it.

That was the 1950's ... half a century ago.

I think we should get foolie stoned, tie him down, shave his head, give him a nose ring and a few tats... oh and perhaps a body waxing, a manicure and a pedicure...

Anybody with me on this one... :D

Geesh ! No wonder it's so hard to penetrate that thick skull of
yers.Just Go to the nearest Penitentiary and look at all the career
criminals and how many have Tattoo's. Ask the local shrink how
many of those hardened lifer's had Bad Family upbringings or an
abusive Mother/Father.

First, I'm asking you something.

It's a simple question.

What information are you are in possession of that Curtis Allgier 'never had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests'...........?

What evidence do you have for saying that about Curtis Allgier, and where was it obtained?

First, I'm asking you something.

It's a simple question.

What information are you are in possession of that Curtis Allgier 'never had the slightest of exposure to Nuns or Priests'...........?

What evidence do you have for saying that about Curtis Allgier, and where was it obtained?

Because True Scum of that Ilk,are almost to a Man,the result
of definite overwhelming negatives in their Life.
They really haven't a clue as to what Life should entail.
Life to them is a bIg Carny ride.
I'll go out on a limb and say his favorite movie was probably "
------- {{{{{ Natural Born Killers }}}}} ------

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
9 times out of 10......
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no, not really.

According to this (http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/allnewsbydate.asp?NewsID=759), 49% of Americans between 18 and 29 have tattoos. Unless you think 49% of Americans between 18 and 29 are poor and uneducated, you might want to change your perceptions about tattoos.

Lord. Gotta do some research.

Whenever I see someone with a tat I think they are lower-income and un-educated. :(

Wow. You are sheltered aren't you? I don't even know how to respond to that.

Wow. You are sheltered aren't you? I don't even know how to respond to that.
Yes. I'm so sheltered. Hahahahahahahaha. I hang out in the city all the time. Where bums and streets kids are EVERYWHERE. Now that I think of it, most of them have tats.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no, not really.

According to this (http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/allnewsbydate.asp?NewsID=759), 49% of Americans between 18 and 29 have tattoos. Unless you think 49% of Americans between 18 and 29 are poor and uneducated, you might want to change your perceptions about tattoos.
The Census data, based on estimates from the long form sent to one in six households, showed that among people 25 and older:

21% of Americans had taken some college courses but had not earned a degree in 2000...

15.5% had earned a bachelor's degree but no higher...

8.9% earned graduate or professional degrees, compared with 7.2% earlier...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2002-06-05-education-census.htm
All together around 30% of people 25 and older actually make it through college with some sort of degree.

So, yes, I would say more then half of the youth is un-educated. And I'd say the ones who make it through college, for the most part, aren't the ones spending their time and money on things like tattoos.

College degrees tend to eventually equal wealth. Thus, proving all my points.

All together around 30% of people 25 and older actually make it through college with some sort of degree.

So, yes, I would say more then half of the youth is un-educated. And I'd say the ones who make it through college, for the most part, aren't the ones spending their time and money on things like tattoos.
So anyone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree or higher is uneducated?

College degrees tend to eventually equal wealth.Perhaps, but a lack of a college degree does not necessarily lead to poverty.

What you've essentially done is raised the upper limits for being poor and uneducated high enough to include the entire tattoo-bearing population in that group. But that's simply not the reality.

Jester,

You have to realize that Overdose is a spoiled little rich kid who looks down his nose at hoi polloi. (It is not the hoi polloi because hoi polloi means the people and the hoi polloi would mean the the people. Just wanted to add that because the expression, the hoi polloi annoys me no end.)

Overdose comes from a well off family in a well off town and the only time he interacts with those with less money is when he either steps over them on one of his sojourns into the city or condescendingly tips them for doing him a service of some sort. Didn't you see his post where our resident spoiled child asked him mommy to please buy him an iphone?

This reminds me of the "Most of the people in the military come from poor families" thing. I mean seriously OD. C'mon. You know what, I've never stepped foot inside of a college. (of course I plan on it eventually, especially since it's free now) And to be totally honest with you, I'm the smartest person I know, and I know and work with a lot of smart people, a lot of whom have tattoos. I've wanted to get a tattoo(s), I've just never gotten around to it unfortunately. You cant stereotype people the way you do.

Edit: And yeah, I just read Frogger's post above me, I come from a fairly well off family OD, my Father makes low 6 digits. I just don't understand how someone can just lump people together like that, haven't you ever heard of "don't judge a book by its cover" or perhaps judging people on their own merits? Saying things like "people with tattoos are un-educated and poor" is a kin to saying all black people steal. Is that the way you think?

It's funny how the idea that you can only be successful with a college degree has been hammered into our heads so much. I'm going to use my parents as an example once again...

The only one of them who even went to more than a year of college is my mother, who is currently working on her master's degree. My dad and stepmom have each taken a couple college classes. So who wants to guess which one of them makes the least money?

That's right, it's my mother, who relies on my father's child support money to help her make rent and food stamps for about half of her and my brother's food. She is no longer technically unemployed, but she's making minimum wage. She could easily get a better job, even in the bumfuck middle of nowhere town she lives in, but she chooses not to because she'd rather have free time and a flexible schedule than enough money to feed and clothe my brother properly.

Meanwhile my father, who dropped out of college after one semester of failing all his classes, makes about $80,000 a year and is working his way up to a big promotion right now. My step-mom makes about $30,000 a year. She could also get a better job if she wanted to, but she likes her job, has been there for quite a long time, and gets great benefits and whatnot. My mom rents a crappy house in the middle of nowhere, and my dad and step-mom just bought a very nice six-bedroom house in a great neighborhood.

We're firmly in the middle class, certainly not rich, but we do well. My father, who makes more money than my mother and step-mother combined, happens to be covered in tattoos.

I think we should get foolie stoned, tie him down, shave his head, give him a nose ring and a few tats... oh and perhaps a body waxing, a manicure and a pedicure...

Anybody with me on this one... :D

~holds hand up~

Count me in, except for the body waxing thingie.....ewwwwww

I'd say the ones who make it through college, for the most part, aren't the ones spending their time and money on things like tattoos.

And I'd say you've never been to college. Seriously, you need to go check out a few state campuses and see how crazy wrong you are.

College degrees tend to eventually equal wealth.

That's how it used to be. Sadly, a college education is no promise of anything in today's working world. Just as being loyal and dedicating yourself to working for a company for 30 years doesn't guarantee you a decent retirement or even a "thank you" as they're kicking your ass out on the street.

There are no givens in the workplace anymore, and those who believe otherwise are in for a big surprise.

Sadly, a college education is no promise of anything in today's working world. Just as being loyal and dedicating yourself to working for a company for 30 years doesn't guarantee you a decent retirement or even a "thank you" as they're kicking your ass out on the street.

There are no givens in the workplace anymore, and those who believe otherwise are in for a big surprise.
Exactly right.

There CANNOT be anyway,Anyhow ANY,and I mean ANY Positive to embossing one's skin with a permanent sign or words.
The appeal Today,is sheer Peer Pressure.
No different than clothes or Hairdo.
Except with ONE HUGE Difference.
A Tattoo is permanent.
Unless one wants to futher Degrade their skin and overlay a Tattoo
with another Tattoo or destroy one's skin.
If people would only stop and think.
What will this Tattoo DO for me.
I doubt even a fuddy-duddy conservative Grandma is willing to
have the same hairdo,her entire Life.
People are sheer Fool's.I just Proved it.

I'm curious why you're so bent about this.

What do you care if someone has crazy facial tats? I agree with you to an extent - obvious tattoos can be distracting, and in the extreme can become an impediment to employment and/or acceptance in certain social circles, but why do you care? It's THEM that have to suffer the consequences - it's no skin *smile* off your nose.

And then there are folks who have tats that never see the light of day. With them, it's a completely personal and private thing. Are they horribly stupid and foolish too?

and my dad and step-mom just bought a very nice six-bedroom house in a great neighborhood.

We're firmly in the middle class, certainly not rich,

One cannot find or have built a SIX bedroom house,for under $500,000
upwards to $900,ooo.That means one would need an income of
nearly $80-120,ooo/yr. and $ 150,ooo - $275,ooo for the
down payment.So,they would have to have worked a $100,ooo job
probably for 10 years to amass the down payment.
Rich would be anyone in the top 5-10% of the work force.
Some consider RICH meaning NOT Living paycheck to paycheck.
Gallup found the median definition of Rich to be an Income of
$120,ooo OR assets of $1 million.

Sadly, a college education is no promise of anything in today's working world.
Really? So you'd feel just as comfortable looking for a job without one, eh? Don't be ridiculous, Frannie. Now, if, OTOH, the education in question has earned the student a degree in underwater basket weaving (i.e. philosophy, history, English, or perhaps literature) then you might have a point.

In short, choose wisely kids, and eventually (if you're diligent), you'll have nothing to worry about.

And then there are folks who have tats that never see the light of day. With them, it's a completely personal and private thing. Are they horribly stupid and foolish too?
I'd say so, but you're right; if they wanna brand themselves "fashionable", then that's their choice. I just hope their grandkids think it's as "cool" as they did before it started to stretch and fade. Maybe the grandma in question should throw a couple of nose rings in there to really express how "unique" she is. That'd be, like, hellacool. And not to mention, a badass statement of "individuality", to boot.

You know, come to think of it, that's one rockin' granny, if you ask me.....

A real piece of walking...................art.

I'm curious why you're so bent about this.

What do you care if someone has crazy facial tats? I agree with you to an extent - obvious tattoos can be distracting, and in the extreme can become an impediment to employment and/or acceptance in certain social circles, but why do you care? It's THEM that have to suffer the consequences - it's no skin *smile* off your nose.

And then there are folks who have tats that never see the light of day. With them, it's a completely personal and private thing. Are they horribly stupid and foolish too?

Because I was raised with certain,inalienable standards that
are not to be questioned or debated.
One is Tattoo's.They are verboten.
NO Discussion.
Like buying somethin ON TIME.Don't Do,won't DO.
Popularity doesn't win the day,with me.It mite have when I was
in college.Colleg-age kid are impressionable.They Have to bend to
peer pressure,or won't be accepted in the many cliques.
Fraternities are also like that.
I pledged a few,and always got turned off.
I mean,why would I wanna belong to a group,that sees Humilitating me,
as a way of being accepted.It's stupid and makes NO sense.
I also have a problem with Clique mindsets.
I am a Lone Wolf,when it comes to peer pressure.

and my dad and step-mom just bought a very nice six-bedroom house in a great neighborhood.

We're firmly in the middle class, certainly not rich,

One cannot find or have built a SIX bedroom house,for under $500,000
upwards to $900,ooo.That means one would need an income of
nearly $80-120,ooo/yr. and $ 150,ooo - $275,ooo for the
down payment.So,they would have to have worked a $100,ooo job
probably for 10 years to amass the down payment.
Rich would be anyone in the top 5-10% of the work force.
Some consider RICH meaning NOT Living paycheck to paycheck.
Gallup found the median definition of Rich to be an Income of
$120,ooo OR assets of $1 million.



Wow!!!! I'm rich.

Fraternities are also like that.
I pledged a few,and always got turned off.
I mean,why would I wanna belong to a group,that sees Humilitating me,
as a way of being accepted.It's stupid and makes NO sense.
On top of that, how pathetic is it to "buy" your friends when all they do is take pride in drinking, sports, and affiliated pussy (i.e. sorority chicks)? The whole concept of frats turned me off BIG time in college.

Wow!!!! I'm rich.
Of course, you are...you worked for the state.

On top of that, how pathetic is it to "buy" your friends when all they do is take pride in drinking, sports, and affiliated pussy (i.e. sorority chicks)? The whole concept of frats turned me off BIG time in college.

Bwa Haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
It just occurred to me.That's Exactly what takes place around hears.
Posters Humiliating udder Posters,in order to find acceptance.

There... I just Fixed Dis Pop Stand.
My Fee will be in the mail.
Thank U for your support.

Bwa Haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
It just occurred to me.That's Exactly what takes place around hears.
Posters Humiliating udder Posters,in order to find acceptance.

There... I just Fixed Dis Pop Stand.
My Fee will be in the mail.
Thank U for your support.
If stating an opinion is, as you say, only to "humiliate udder posters", then so be it. That wasn't my goal, although I'm sure it's a byproduct of what happens here on a daily basis....

and my dad and step-mom just bought a very nice six-bedroom house in a great neighborhood.

We're firmly in the middle class, certainly not rich,

One cannot find or have built a SIX bedroom house,for under $500,000
upwards to $900,ooo.That means one would need an income of
nearly $80-120,ooo/yr. and $ 150,ooo - $275,ooo for the
down payment.So,they would have to have worked a $100,ooo job
probably for 10 years to amass the down payment.
Rich would be anyone in the top 5-10% of the work force.
Some consider RICH meaning NOT Living paycheck to paycheck.
Gallup found the median definition of Rich to be an Income of
$120,ooo OR assets of $1 million.
lol Foolie it was $420,000. And we paid for the down payment with the profits from our last house that we sold. It is an hour commute for my step-mom to work right now unfortunately, but to get a house for that price closer in we'd have to live in a townhouse or a bad neighborhood.

lol Foolie it was $420,000. And we paid for the down payment with the profits from our last house that we sold. It is an hour commute for my step-mom to work right now unfortunately, but to get a house for that price closer in we'd have to live in a townhouse or a bad neighborhood.
I feel ya, DF - that's exactly why I live FAR away from where I grew up (and work now). The 200 thousand dollar condo I live in currently could've just about purchased me a spacious walk-in closet in my old neighborhood.

I feel ya, DF - that's exactly why I live FAR away from where I grew up (and work now). The 200 thousand dollar condo I live in currently could've just about purchased me a spacious walk-in closet in my old neighborhood.
LOL yeah that's how it is... We used to live in a townhouse, tiny, in a town only 10 minutes south of where we are now (therefore still basically out in the middle of nowhere), and we sold that townhouse for over $300,000. Meanwhile, for only 100,000 more and only 10 miles north, we have a house that's about three times the size with a yard about 100 times the size.

Really? So you'd feel just as comfortable looking for a job without one, eh?

Well, first of all, I'm not saying a college education is a bad thing, or a waste of time - just that it's no guarantee of anything.

As for me personally, when you're a writer by trade, your published works do more to get future gigs than a diploma on the wall. And, truth be told, I rather suspect that none of my previous employers (writing jobs or office work) ever checked to see that I actually did graduate with honors and a BA in journalism. But if they wanted to, they'd find that my CV speaks the god's honest truth. :)

And I got THIS rockin' gig (just got hired by a major auction company in Dallas to write their catalogs - two weeks in TX, two weeks in WA each month) by knowing someone who mentioned my name to someone else.

Bottom line, an education is a GREAT thing, but in today's world a diploma won't necessarily make or break ya. I think smarts are evident with or without a diploma, and with the right network you can go miles and miles.

All the fuckin' way to Dallas and back, believe it or not! :thumbs:

Congrats, Frannie. :)

I'd say so, but you're right; if they wanna brand themselves "fashionable", then that's their choice. I just hope their grandkids think it's as "cool" as they did before it started to stretch and fade. Maybe the grandma in question should throw in a couple of nose rings in there to really express how "unique" she is. That'd be, like, hellacool. And not to mention, a badass statement of "individuality", to boot.

You know, come to think of it, that's one rockin' granny, if you ask me.....

A real piece of walking...................art.

Heh. I bet you'd walk to Dallas to see MY tat. It's smaller than a dime and sits at the very top of my left thigh (easily hidden by panties). Got it when I was 16 (that's 1974, kids), and only because it was something personal for ME.

I only share when asked very sweetly... :)

Heh. I bet you'd walk to Dallas to see MY tat. It's smaller than a dime and sits at the very top of my left thigh (easily hidden by panties). Got it when I was 16 (that's 1974, kids), and only because it was something personal for ME.

I only share when asked very sweetly... :)
I always give people a hard time about tattoos. I don't think they're that bad - they're just too trendy, IMHO. EVERY girl (and I mean like 90% of 'em) under the age of 30 has a tattoo somewhere on their body (usually on the small of their back in the lame shape of some Celtic knot or "tribal" design (that, of course, bears NO significance to the woman in question, but it does double nicely as a target. :p)).

(God, that was awful, wasn't it? :D)

lol I hate those fucking tramp stamps. I will never, EVER get one. And I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near 90% of young women... maybe 50%.

And I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near 90% of young women... maybe 50%.
I see them ALL THE TIME!!!! Then again, maybe they're standard issue for bar chicks. That could explain a lot. :)

Congrats, Frannie. :)

Thanks! Surprised the hell outta me, but life sometimes takes crazy turns. If you're able to go with the flow, you may find yourself in new and wonderful situations. Hell, with this new gig, I'm going to be able to write off a new laptop, cell phone (argh, but I gotta have it), all my food for two weeks out of every month, clothes, my home office...

DANG!

The only downside is I've got to get rid of a bunch of my chickies, and my garden is going to suffer terribly. Still, I'm making wads of money on a regular basis now, and am enjoying the faaabulous Dallas weather.... *



* WTF?!? (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-nurainydayblues_28met.ART0.North.Edition1.43c8618. html)

I see them ALL THE TIME!!!! Then again, maybe they're standard issue for bar chicks. That could explain a lot. :)

Mebbe you oughta start hanging out in libraries or museums. :)

Are you crazy!?!?!

You have to go on multiple dates with them before those chicks put out! Not a chance.

ON EDIT: They're also too smart for me. :)

Well, first of all, I'm not saying a college education is a bad thing, or a waste of time - just that it's no guarantee of anything.

As for me personally, when you're a writer by trade, your published works do more to get future gigs than a diploma on the wall. And, truth be told, I rather suspect that none of my previous employers (writing jobs or office work) ever checked to see that I actually did graduate with honors and a BA in journalism. But if they wanted to, they'd find that my CV speaks the god's honest truth. :)

And I got THIS rockin' gig (just got hired by a major auction company in Dallas to write their catalogs - two weeks in TX, two weeks in WA each month) by knowing someone who mentioned my name to someone else.

Bottom line, an education is a GREAT thing, but in today's world a diploma won't necessarily make or break ya. I think smarts are evident with or without a diploma, and with the right network you can go miles and miles.

All the fuckin' way to Dallas and back, believe it or not! :thumbs:

CONGRATS ON THE GIG, FRANNIE!!!

If you need any help (with anything except this damn rain), let me know -- Dallas native here! (And I've served my time with the high-society crowd as well.)

Welcome to Big D!!

:)
SMW

ON EDIT: They're also too smart for me. :)
I applaud you Prae. It's a rare man who can admit that intelligence in a woman is not always a good thing. In fact, for most men, it's almost never a good thing.

In fact, for most men, it's almost never a good thing.
Hmmm. I can take that sentence one of two ways - A) that most men see intelligent women as "threatening", or B), that most men are dumb (not that I'd argue, but I don't see them as tangibly any "dumber" than your average woman). I'm assuming you meant A, right?

So anyone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree or higher is uneducated?
Pretty much, yes. Hell, I've gotten a High School degree and I'd hardly call myself "educated". I'd say I'm pretty un-educated.

Perhaps, but a lack of a college degree does not necessarily lead to poverty.
Never said it did. But you will most likely make an average to below average income if you don't go to college.

What you've essentially done is raised the upper limits for being poor and uneducated high enough to include the entire tattoo-bearing population in that group. But that's simply not the reality.
All I said is my personal experience.

When I go around my town you see adults with no tattoos. When I go downtown Portland or cities close by, you see far more parents and adults with tattoos.

What is the difference?

1. Wealth
and
2. A higher education

And as you can see, although half of the youth gets tattoos, less then half actually become educated with a higher education. Which still falls in line with what I believe.

Didn't you see his post where our resident spoiled child asked him mommy to please buy him an iphone?
I love how screwing with people works. lolllllllll. I KNEW that would have gotten a reaction from someone. Just didn't know who.

Hmmm. I can take that sentence one of two ways - A) that most men see intelligent women as "threatening", or B), that most men are dumb (not that I'd argue, but I don't see them as tangibly any "dumber" than your average woman). I'm assuming you meant A, right?
Yes, I did mean A. I like men better than women and find them generally better company, not to mention with a lot more common sense at least. I don't know about more or less intelligent though.

I applaud you Prae. It's a rare man who can admit that intelligence in a woman is not always a good thing. In fact, for most men, it's almost never a good thing.
I've never understood the "men see intelligent women as threatening" thing. I don't.

I love how screwing with people works. lolllllllll. I KNEW that would have gotten a reaction from someone. Just didn't know who.


Gasp!!!!

You mean you posted that just to bait someone. Oh, No! You're a troll.:lolhit:

Gasp!!!!

You mean you posted that just to bait someone. Oh, No! You're a troll.:lolhit:
Hey, it worked didn't it?

Hey, it worked didn't it?

So,the End justifies the Means.
Nothing more involved than accomplishing what one seeks.

I'm pretty sure OD sits in his room all night swooning over Leo, depending on stats to make his points instead of real life experience.

I'm pretty sure OD sits in his room all night swooning over Leo, depending on stats to make his points instead of real life experience.
What are you talking about?

I use both.

I hang out in the city at least 3 times a week, where I see parents with tons of tattoos. Then when I go to sporting events in other cities I again see parents with tattoos. When I roam around my city, I see very, very few parents with tattoos.

As for stats, well, Jester said half of the youth gets tattoos. And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated. I don't think a high school degree makes someone educated because I sure as hell am not educated and I have one.

Overdose, the problem seems to be that your real life experience doesn't extend beyond your hometown and Portland, and therefore isn't much to base your opinion on. It also explain remarks like this: "And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated."

And by the way, it's not hard to get a reaction out of someone so please stop gloating about it.

Overdose, the problem seems to be that your real life experience doesn't extend beyond your hometown and Portland, and therefore isn't much to base your opinion on. It also explain remarks like this: "And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated."

And by the way, it's not hard to get a reaction out of someone so please stop gloating about it.
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All i gotta say is...when a Society feels compelled to rationalize
a negative { Tattoos } then the future surely isn't as bright
as the Polish Dude who changed the bulb.

How are tattoos a negative?

How are tattoos a negative?

In my mind at least,A Tattoo is a direct reflection of one
as a LOSER.To inscribe on one's Body is a denigration of
what God gave us.Tattoo have No medicinal effect.
A Tattoo doesn't add to one's charm,like a hairdo,can.
I did say can.Because a Hairdo can also be a Huge Negative.
Tattoo's will never help one's persona,humor or Wit.
And self-made Tattoo are mere self-mutiliation,in most cases.
When a Society tries feverishly to eliminate a Stigma,it may
succeed.But that doesn't mean for the Good.
The Romans used to celebrate a Man being tossed-in with the
Lions,and torn apart,as mere sport.
Today we are being indoctrinated into believing Tattoo are
mere Body Art.And as we've seen,this has Deconstructed into
The More,the better.The more Tattoo,the More Outlandish the
Tattoo the better.Then it's ON to body-piercing and the More,the
better.
I guess that Society won't truly be happy until Tattoo are considered
A NECESSITY,

Soliloquium Animae ad Deum
Necessity has no law."
-- Saint Augustine

I really think tattoos are rather cool. I am far from a loser, having completed a successful and highly remunerative career, raised four children who are now in the midst of highly successful and remunerative careers and entered retirement with the wherewithal to insure that it is comfortable.

There are different kinds of tattoos. There are gang tattoos, skinhead tattoos, cute little butterflies on an ankle, a bird of paradise on a lower back, three stars on a shoulder, tribal rings around biceps, Mom in a heart, etc., etc. To classify all tattoos as signs of a loser is sort of like saying a butter knife and a Bowie knife are all killing weapons.

When a seventeen year old college student has a tattoo it is hardly the sign of a loser. When a millionair movie star has tattoos they are hardly the sign of a loser. If I ever decide to get one it will hardly be the sign of a loser.

Yep, the main place tattoos = losers is in the employment office of any major corporation. If you MUST put a permanent picture on your body, make sure you can cover it up if circumstances ever call for you to put forth an impression of having class.

JMHO. Personally I'm not a big fan of permanent body art.

:)
SMW

I hang out in the city at least 3 times a week, where I see parents with tons of tattoos. Then when I go to sporting events in other cities I again see parents with tattoos. When I roam around my city, I see very, very few parents with tattoos.

As for stats, well, Jester said half of the youth gets tattoos. And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated.

At the risk of being considered entirely too mean to a kid, you're quite the immature little snob, OD, living in a wealthy enclave of effete snobs. You don't know enough about the real world to make such sweeping pronouncements about people (or life in general), kiddo.

:rolleyes:

In my mind at least,A Tattoo is a direct reflection of one
as a LOSER.

And you, Fool, are just a self-important jerk.

How are tattoos a negative?
They're no more of a "negative" than blue hair, nose rings, or assless chaps are for that matter.

If I were you, I just wouldn't apply for a management position at the Piggly Wiggly if yours are visible. (pssst - little known fact......you probably won't get the job.)

At the risk of being considered entirely too mean to a kid, you're quite the immature little snob, OD, living in a wealthy enclave of effete snobs. You don't know enough about the real world to make such sweeping pronounements about people (or life in general), kiddo.

:rolleyes:



And you, Fool, are just a self-important jerk.

You go girl!!

:)
Kimi

They're no more of a "negative" than blue hair, nose rings, or assless chaps are for that matter.

If I were you, I just wouldn't apply for a management position at the Piggly Wiggly if yours are visible. (pssst - little known fact......you probably won't get the job.)
See but blue hair can't be covered up. I thought for a long time about the placement of my tattoo, because I wanted it to be somewhere I could show it off if I wanted to but also somewhere I could cover up for a job or, say, Christmas dinner at Grandma's house. So the only way mine shows is if I'm wearing a bathing suit, halter top, or spaghetti strap tank top.

See but blue hair can't be covered up. I thought for a long time about the placement of my tattoo, because I wanted it to be somewhere I could show it off if I wanted to but also somewhere I could cover up for a job or, say, Christmas dinner at Grandma's house. So the only way mine shows is if I'm wearing a bathing suit, halter top, or spaghetti strap tank top.
Smart choice, DF. One of the girls in my office has a black band of flowers (or something) tattooed around her ankle. Just no way a woman can look professional in a business suit and smart pair of pumps. Besides... looks like she might've gained a hundred or so pounds since she got that one. Her 'flowers' are a little s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d lookin.

:)
SMW

And that's all good, DF. When all is said and done, the only person you have to please at the end of the day is you. Having said that, I just hope (for your sake) when you're 40, you don't regret making a life-long decision at 17. Now that you've made that choice, you'll have to realize that wearing certain evening gowns or strapless dresses is obviously gonna be a big no-no. If you can deal with that, then so be it; it's your body.