See but blue hair can't be covered up. I thought for a long time about the placement of my tattoo, because I wanted it to be somewhere I could show it off if I wanted to but also somewhere I could cover up for a job or, say, Christmas dinner at Grandma's house. So the only way mine shows is if I'm wearing a bathing suit, halter top, or spaghetti strap tank top.

That's why I got mine on my shoulder, same reasons.

Smart choice, DF. One of the girls in my office has a black band of flowers (or something) tattooed around her ankle. Just no way a woman can look professional in a business suit and smart pair of pumps. Besides... looks like she might've gained a hundred or so pounds since she got that one. Her 'flowers' are a little s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d lookin.

:)
SMW
Haha yep... But now I have more incentive not to gain 100 pounds. :)

I think I have good genetics though because my mom, at 42 and after having 2 kids, only weighs about 5 pounds more than I do, and she's about an inch taller.

Just no way a woman can look professional in a business suit and smart pair of pumps.
That's why they shouldn't wear them. Women should just smile, shop, and decorate my Porsche. :)

And that's all good, DF. When all is said and done, the only person you have to please at the end of the day is you. Having said that, I just hope (for your sake) when you're 40, you don't regret making a life-long decision at 17. Now that you've made that choice, you'll have to realize that wearing certain evening gowns or strapless dresses is obviously gonna be a big no-no. If you can deal with that, then so be it; it's your body.
I can't think of any occasions where I'd have to wear a fancy dress and care about anyone seeing my tattoo... I'm not planning on wearing a strapless wedding gown and at my friends' weddings well they'll just have to deal with it! :D

Plus since I'm kind of a busty girl I shy away from strapless/halter dresses because that means strapless bras, which generally means inadequate support and discomfort.

That's why they shouldn't wear them. Women should just smile, shop, and decorate my Porsche. :)
LOL. Good one Prae. I plan on being married by 21, having kids by 23-24, and being a stay at home mom, so I don't think I'll have to worry about looking smart in a business suit... My only concerns as far as tattoos are the sorts of jobs that I will be getting while I'm still in school, specifically retail jobs. I suppose with a bunch of visible tattoos I could work at Hot Topic, but that's about it.

Overdose, the problem seems to be that your real life experience doesn't extend beyond your hometown and Portland, and therefore isn't much to base your opinion on. It also explain remarks like this: "And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated."

And by the way, it's not hard to get a reaction out of someone so please stop gloating about it.
1. Pare thinks pretty much the same thing about tattoo's, and he's 30. So, if "real life experience" is so important to you, then I point to Pare to show that "experience" does not change a thing.

2. I've traveled some in my life, going on camping trips every summer to many different towns throughout Oregon, Kentucky, Florida, Philidelphia, Washington, California, Ohio, Idaho, Hawaii and Canada. Not that many places, but every place I've been to, when you see those trashy ass parents with kids, they generally have tattoo's. So, I'd say I have plenty of "personal experience" to make these claims.

3. You're just mad that your whole, "49% of young adults get tattoo's" blew up in your face. Less then have get a higher education, which means they are un-educated in my eyes, since having a high school degree does not make one "educated".

Plus since I'm kind of a busty girl I shy away from strapless/halter dresses.
That's a shame, because IMHO, they're some of the sexiest (and most sophisticated looking) things women wear.

Like take this, for example - pure sophistication at its finest...

http://www.shop-uk-lingerie.com/items/340162L.jpg

:)

Like take this, for example - pure sophistication at its finest...

Maybe if you took off the hooker heels and added 2 or 3 feet of fabric to the bottom of that dress... ;)

No. The hooker heels are a must. And you think that dress needs more fabric?!? :confused:

What's wrong with you?

No. The hooker heels are a must. And you think that dress needs more fabric?!? :confused:

What's wrong with you?
Well it needs more to be sophisticated. But obviously sophistication is not what you're looking for. Those heels are just absolutely hideous though. I wouldn't wear them, and not least because I could never walk in them.

Well it needs more to be sophisticated.
You know, I just used that word because it sounded good. Actually, come to think of it, women shouldn't be sophisticated.
Those heels are just absolutely hideous though.
Okay, how about these (but in red, of course):

http://www.eyebeam.org/images/air_05fall/leddy1.jpg
I wouldn't wear them, and not least because I could never walk in them.
You can learn to, silly. Duh. :rolleyes: ;)

The dress is definitely very sexy. But I would hesitate at calling it sophisticated. And those heels look very unwalkable. The appeal of the image lies in the bent shape of her knees and hips that is forced by the awkward design of the shoes. And she's so god-awful skinny in the picture, that I would really shudder to think of what she looks like in real life. I doubt many women could pull off that shape in real clothes. And any woman that could, and then did, would assuredly look like a total whore.

And any woman that could, and then did, would assuredly look like a total whore.
Exactly. And what's wrong with that?

You can't look like a whore and expect to be respected.

I'll respect her. Especially if she's, well, amenable to new ideas and open to suggestions.

I'll respect her. Especially if she's, well, amenable to new ideas and open to suggestions.
Somehow I doubt you'd show her actual respect. Especially considering that you have admitted to liking stupid, drunk girls.

I plan on being married by 21, having kids by 23-24, and being a stay at home mom
You shouldn't have any plans related to that at your age. You should take things day by day and enjoy them as they come. Haven't you learned that by now?

Somehow I doubt you'd show her actual respect.
Hey now....

Of course, I'd show her some (what you call) "actual" respect. I care for women that look like that. Deeply.
Especially considering that you have admitted to liking stupid, drunk girls.
So I'm guessing you haven't really learned to enjoy college yet, have you?

So I'm guessing you haven't really learned to enjoy college yet, have you?
I'm in college to get an education, not fuck drunk chicks.

Oh, man - you and I majored in different subjects. Fucking and dating drunk chicks is an education in and of itself, let me tell ya. :)

You should take things day by day and enjoy them as they come.
That plan got my sister knocked up unexpectedly.

1. Pare thinks pretty much the same thing about tattoo's, and he's 30. So, if "real life experience" is so important to you, then I point to Pare to show that "experience" does not change a thing. I don't know where Prae gets his opinions on the subject, so I won't be able to address them. You, however, have made clear where your perceptions come from, and that is what I'm arguing against.


2. I've traveled some in my life, going on camping trips every summer to many different towns throughout Oregon, Kentucky, Florida, Philidelphia, Washington, California, Ohio, Idaho, Hawaii and Canada. Not that many places, but every place I've been to, when you see those trashy ass parents with kids, they generally have tattoo's. So, I'd say I have plenty of "personal experience" to make these claims.Fine, but there are still people here who have as much, or more, real-life experience, yet you don't give their views the time of day. I, and others here, could tell you that they've seen many people who have tattoos but are not "trashy" in any way. There are even such people on this forum, such as DarkFantasy and myself.

You believe you're right because of what you've personally seen, yet you completely disregard what others have personally seen. Either personal experience counts for something or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

3. You're just mad that your whole, "49% of young adults get tattoo's" blew up in your face. Less then have get a higher education, which means they are un-educated in my eyes, since having a high school degree does not make one "educated".1. I'd have to have a pretty short fuse to get mad over anything in this thread. You'll know when I'm mad, trust me.

2. My argument didn't blow up for shit. You simply came up with definitions for "poor" and "uneducated" that were convenient for your argument. Do you really believe that a person is uneducated for the first 20-something years of his life and then suddenly becomes educated when he walks across the stage to get his diploma?

People still talk to OD?:confused:

Gluttons for punishment, let me tell ya!

That plan got my sister knocked up unexpectedly.
Well obviously you should do everything you can to avoid pregnancy until it's planned for. I'm talking about making too many plans in a relationship. It kills it.

This: "I'm talking about making too many plans in a relationship. It kills it." is quite different from this, "You should take things day by day and enjoy them as they come."

I don't know where gets his opinions on the subject, so I won't be able to address them. You, however, have made clear where your perceptions come from, and that is what I'm arguing against.
The only thing you said is that I lack "real-life experience". Pare has more "real-life experience" then me and views tattoos in a similar fashion. Hell, even is grandfather thought tattoos were trashy. The point is, gaining more "real-life experience", regardless of where it comes from, does not mean you will suddenly change your mind on issues such as tattoos.

Fine, but there are still people here who have as much, or more, real-life experience, yet you don't give their views the time of day. I, and others here, could tell you that they've seen many people who have tattoos but not "trashy" in any way. There are even such people on this forum, such as DarkFantasy and myself.
Uhhh, I give them the time of day, I just don't agree with them. Why is it that I can't share my personal opinion based on personal experience, without people going, "well that is because you don't have enough real-life experience and you are a rich brat". NONE of that takes away the fact that I've been all over the United States and even to Canada. And everywhere I've gone, I see the same thing. Trashy people tend to have tattoos, and non-trashy people don't. Sure, there are exceptions to it, but based on my experience, and people who are MUCH older then me, tattoos are trashy.

You believe you're right because of what you've personally seen, yet you completely disregard what others have personally seen. Either personal experience counts for something or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.
You don't see me bashing your personal experience, but yet, everyone here seems to feel the need to bash and claim why my experience must be, "flawed".

1. I'd have to have a pretty short fuse to get mad over anything in this thread. You'll know when I'm mad, trust me.
I'm scared.

2. My argument didn't blow up for shit. You simply came up with definitions for "poor" and "uneducated" that were convenient for your argument. Do you really believe that a person is uneducated for the first 20-something years of his life and then suddenly becomes educated when he walks across the stage to get his diploma?
Uhhh, for the most part, yes. 4 years of education at a high standard, plus all the diversity and experiences you usually have in college, does make someone far more educated in my eyes. You don't have to agree, but that's what I believe. A diploma means 4 years of hopefully hard work at a high level of education. That means something.

This: "I'm talking about making too many plans in a relationship. It kills it." is quite different from this, "You should take things day by day and enjoy them as they come."
No it isn't. It's the very same concept.

Do you really believe that a person is uneducated for the first 20-something years of his life and then suddenly becomes educated when he walks across the stage to get his diploma?
Point taken, Jester, but I'd say (in answer to your question, that is), no. He's "educated" when he completes the required curriculum that affords him the opportunity to walk across that stage. That said, do you honestly think that someone who's educated and wealthy would be more inclined to cover himself in (pardon the euphemism) "body art" than the person who's uneducated and poor? If so, then please excuse me for saying this, but I think you're kidding yourself.

However, as I said earlier, times are a changin'. Even I recognize that.

Pare has more......
Read between the lines, OD -

http://www.johnnyjet.com/images/1031Pare.jpg

Read between the lines, OD -

http://www.johnnyjet.com/images/1031Pare.jpg
ha for some reason i always write pare. hahahaha

The only thing you said is that I lack "real-life experience". Pare has more "real-life experience" then me and views tattoos in a similar fashion. Hell, even is grandfather thought tattoos were trashy. The point is, gaining more "real-life experience", regardless of where it comes from, does not mean you will suddenly change your mind on issues such as tattoos.

Uhhh, I give them the time of day, I just don't agree with them. Why is it that I can't share my personal opinion based on personal experience, without people going, "well that is because you don't have enough real-life experience and you are a rich brat". NONE of that takes away the fact that I've been all over the United States and even to Canada. And everywhere I've gone, I see the same thing. Trashy people tend to have tattoos, and non-trashy people don't. Sure, there are exceptions to it, but based on my experience, and people who are MUCH older then me, tattoos are trashy.

You don't see me bashing your personal experience, but yet, everyone here seems to feel the need to bash and claim why my experience must be, "flawed".

When two people's arguments rest on nothing but their personal experiences, I would go with the person who has more experience because he, having seen more, is more likely to have a better idea on the subject.

How do you explain that I've seen many people who aren't trashy at all but still have tattoos? Am I lying? Was I hallucinating when I saw or heard about the tattoos? What is it?

I'm scared. Actually, I just meant that you'd be able to see a difference in the way I post when I'm mad.

Uhhh, for the most part, yes. 4 years of education at a high standard, plus all the diversity and experiences you usually have in college, does make someone far more educated in my eyes. You don't have to agree, but that's what I believe. A diploma means 4 years of hopefully hard work at a high level of education. That means something.Of course someone with a bachelor's degree would be MORE educated than someone without one. That's blatantly obvious. But to say that someone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree is automatically UNeducated is just ridicuclous.

That said, do you honestly think that someone who's educated and wealthy would be more inclined to cover himself in (pardon the euphemism) "body art" than the person who's uneducated and poor?
Obviously not. However, my point is that the correlation between tattoos and education/income is not as clear-cut as OD says. There are far more exceptions than he thinks.

I'll cede that point. Oh, and for the record, I don't hate tattoos - they're just not for me. Of course, I wouldn't want my kids to get 'em, but in the immortal words of Chris Rock, "whatever you hate, your kids are gonna do".

When two people's arguments rest on nothing but their personal experiences, I would go with the person who has more experience because he, having seen more, is more likely to have a better idea on the subject.
Is experience defined by how old you are or how many places you go/people you come in contact with?

Some people who are 50 years old have never traveled or gone outside of their town. Some people who are 18 have gone to many different places all over the world and met tons of different people.

How do you explain that I've seen many people who aren't trashy at all but still have tattoos? Am I lying? Was I hallucinating when I saw or heard about the tattoos? What is it?
I never said you were lying. I have also come in contact with non-trashy people who have tattoos. That does not mean they don't come off as trashy to people who don't know them. Also, these people are fairly rare in my opinion.

Of course someone with a bachelor's degree would be MORE educated than someone without one. That's blatantly obvious. But to say that someone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree is automatically UNeducated is just ridicuclous.
If all you have is a high school degree you are un-educated in my eyes. That's all I have, a high school degree, and I'm not educated.

tattoos are trashy.

Wait a minute. Up till this point, I thought you were arguing that people who had tattoos are trashy. Which is it?

You know, JFK Jr. had a shamrock tattoo on his shoulder. What a trashy sonofabitch! Sean Connery had two tattoos - my god what a worthless, useless, pile of shit HE is. Lady Randolf Churchill had a tattoo of a snake around her wrist, and her trashy-ass son Winston had a tattoo, as well. What cretinous losers these people are/were!!!

:rolleyes:

The only thing you said is that I lack "real-life experience". Pare has more "real-life experience" then me and views tattoos in a similar fashion.

No, your opinions are quite different.

Prae (note the spelling, smart boy) isn't a whiney-ass rich kid living in Snootyville, Oregon. His opinions hold more water than yours do, simply on that basis alone. Besides, as he has clearly stated, he doesn't think tattoos (or the people who have them) are trashy, they're just not for him.

In other words, you're a judgemental dickweed. He's just a dickweed.**






** I'm JOKING, Prae! You know I lurves ya. :)

Wow.

First of all..."the times they are a changin'. "

The corporate world will have zero problem with any tattoo if you prove to them you can fulfil their greed/cash lust. It is a production/cash driven world. If you think for one instant your suit minus a tattoo is going to do shit for you, you've already lost. If you have pink hair and a third eye and can produce they will find a job for you and they WILL remunerate you handsomely. In the past the type of people who openly sported tattoos also had 3 teeth and those teeth were green. It is the year 2007. Educated, sophisticated people choose to openly decorate their bodies.

Green equals equality. Always has, always will. It crosses gender lines, racial lines, and every other line you can think of.

The tattoo today is what the male earring was 15 years ago. Now corporate executives sport both.

As for education, a degree means shit. It does not indicate intelligence. Studies show some of the biggest earners, in fact some of the richest in the world are dyslexic. Ask how many degrees they have. None.

For your average person who wants a nice life, a degree is a big help. Once in, it will get you promoted over someone slightly brighter. BUT the big earners are those who are driven, almost manic about their work. They have a passion and they succeed regardless of where you place them.

Regardless of education or tattoos.

I have also come in contact with non-trashy people who have tattoos. That does not mean they don't come off as trashy to people who don't know them.Aha!! Once you get to know them you find out they're not trashy. Until then, you assume they are.

The problem here isn't the people with tattoos, but rather the people who judge them.

Sedan you hot mamasita, post a pic of that tramp stamp you've been hiding.

I really think tattoos are rather cool. I am far from a loser, having completed a successful and highly remunerative career, raised four children who are now in the midst of highly successful and remunerative careers and entered retirement with the wherewithal to insure that it is comfortable.

There are different kinds of tattoos. There are gang tattoos, skinhead tattoos, cute little butterflies on an ankle, a bird of paradise on a lower back, three stars on a shoulder, tribal rings around biceps, Mom in a heart, etc., etc. To classify all tattoos as signs of a loser is sort of like saying a butter knife and a Bowie knife are all killing weapons.

When a seventeen year old college student has a tattoo it is hardly the sign of a loser. When a millionair movie star has tattoos they are hardly the sign of a loser. If I ever decide to get one it will hardly be the sign of a loser.
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Ah ! Yer not even thinkin.Tattoo are only one thing.
An inscribing of the skin.
Doesn't make any difference if it's a little Butterfly.
It's an ACT.Like spitting.Is Spitting any less vile if an older
person does it who needs to.
Or Farting.
Or Burping.
Even though those are bodily functions that ARE a Necessity.
But some people have the will and strength to hold off
or wait until the proper time {more private}.
A Tattoo is a Public Act that BRANDS one a Loser.
Why do you think The Nazi's branded those concentration #'s
on their captors.Not just to identify but also to Mark & Stain for
Life,whether their life is extended or no.
I can see where a Survivor mite want to keep their numbered
Tattoo as a reminder never to forgot the horror they endured.
What's a Tattoo'ees excuse.?

Hmmm... Ya know, I AM kinda trashy. Why is it like the end of the world not to be the most sophisticated person ever? I'm never going to feel comfortable in an evening gown or eating in a fancy restaurant... And honestly I don't care! :D

I have also come in contact with non-trashy people who have tattoos. That does not mean they don't come off as trashy to people who don't know them.

Would someone having a tattoo stop you from becoming romantically involved with them?

Wait a minute. Up till this point, I thought you were arguing that people who had tattoos are trashy. Which is it?
Both.

You know, JFK Jr. had a shamrock tattoo on his shoulder. What a trashy sonofabitch! Sean Connery had two tattoos - my god what a worthless, useless, pile of shit HE is. Lady Randolf Churchill had a tattoo of a snake around her wrist, and her trashy-ass son Winston had a tattoo, as well. What cretinous losers these people are/were!!!

:rolleyes:
9 times out of 10...

Honestly, there are always exceptions to the rule. I think I've said that about 100 times now.

No, your opinions are quite different.

Prae (note the spelling, smart boy) isn't a whiney-ass rich kid living in Snootyville, Oregon. His opinions hold more water than yours do, simply on that basis alone. Besides, as he has clearly stated, he doesn't think tattoos (or the people who have them) are trashy, they're just not for him.

In other words, you're a judgemental dickweed. He's just a dickweed.**
1. Our opinions are not "quite different". Pare (haha) has said he grew up rich and that his father is the owner of his own business. Pare was also one of those, "rich kids" with "rich parents"...and he too views tattoos as pretty trashy.

2. How does living in a rich area take away my own personal experience? I've been to more states/places then most kids my age, sometimes even more places then many adults I know and I see the same thing everywhere. Parents with tattoos are usually the trashy, un-educated ones. Personal experience is not always determined by how old you are.

3. Calling me judgemental is hardly anything I'll loose any sleep over. The PC Police does not bug me what-so-ever.

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Would someone having a tattoo stop you from becoming romantically involved with them?
Of course not. Ask Nap's sister and sedan.

Agree with Prae that while I don’t hate tattoos, they’re just not for me. I’ve seen quite a few that were done professionally and looked remarkable.
I think the problem that some people run into is that after they get their first or second one, it becomes an addiction and they end up with their bodies littered with tattoos. Moderation and a little discretion are the key.:cool:

The one’s posted here by Jester, Shorty, and DF, are very cool.:thumbs: .

Aha!! Once you get to know them you find out they're not trashy. Until then, you assume they are.

The problem here isn't the people with tattoos, but rather the people who judge them.

Well said!! :thumbs:

I've visited tattoo parlors in many places and have at times given thought to having myself decorated, but thus far I've talked myself out of it every time. Just not for me.

I've visited tattoo parlors in many places and have at times given thought to having myself decorated, but thus far I've talked myself out of it every time. Just not for me.

Well Groucho...I know this.
Show me a Politician,namely a Senator or high-ranking
Congressman who has a Tattoo,and i'll show you someone very
reluctant to have their Picture took,w/o a shirt.
I thinks Charles Rangel has a Tattoo,because he fell victim
to Peer Pressure when serving in The Korean War.
So,if Most Pols wouldn't dare be seen exposing their Tattoo,the few that DO have them,tell me what's all the hubbub about Getting one.
It's a Stupid gesture and idea'r to even contemplate one.

If you want to brand yourself, well, OK. If you call it "body art" you should be proud to show it off. But if your so embarrassed by it, that you must cover it up, whats the point?

Show me a Politician,namely a Senator or high-ranking
Congressman who has a Tattoo,and i'll show you someone very
reluctant to have their Picture took,w/o a shirt.
Can we include former politicians? Barry Goldwater and Winston Churchill.

Can we include former politicians? Barry Goldwater and Winston Churchill.

I'll have to go thru my Churchill Huge Bio book.Churchill was
Ignored by his own Mother,who acted the Floozy.Some had other
names for the behavior Churchill's Momsie displayed.

I'm not saying OUTLAW Tattoo,because it's a good source of
judging character.I doubt many Philosophers,who Live for THOUGHT,
give much creed to a silly Tattoo.
It's the stereotypical,inner-city knucklehead,or blitzed-out
drunken Sailor on leave,that used to fall prey to the beckoning of a
Tattoo Parlor.

I'm not saying OUTLAW Tattoo,because it's a good source of
judging character.I doubt many Philosophers,who Live for THOUGHT,
give much creed to a silly Tattoo.
It's the stereotypical,inner-city knucklehead,or blitzed-out
drunken Sailor on leave,that used to fall prey to the beckoning of a
Tattoo Parlor.

I suppose people who haven't a fucking lick of common sense or reason would think so...

But if you're using that as a way to judge who is or isn't "a loser" I wonder if you've considered that tattooing has been practiced for thousands of years, in pretty much every civilization we know of. Using your retarded logic, every race that ever existed in the fullness of time must be comprised of total losers.

Tattooing has been a Eurasian practice at least since Neolithic times. Mummies bearing tattoos and dating from the end of the second millennium BC have been discovered at Pazyryk on the Ukok Plateau. Tattooing in Japan is thought to go back to the Paleolithic era, some ten thousand years ago. The Ainu, the indigenous people of Japan, wore facial tattoos. Tattooing was widespread among Polynesian peoples, and among many tribal groups in the Philippines, Borneo, Africa, North America, South America, Mesoamerica, Europe, Japan, Cambodia and China.

Did you know that your shitty attitude toward tattoos comes from the rise of Christianity? Yup. The gawd/jayzus-worshipers are the ones who decided tattoos were for losers. Need I mention that they're also the folks who found it good to torture, maim, even KILL people who didn't praise jayzus loudly enough? That's right, Western religious and cultural practices held tattooing to be a "pagan" or "heathen" activity, and did their best to wipe it out.

Right upstanding folks, them early Christians. Here to beat the crap out of you if you don't toe the line. Here to degrade and demean you if you put a mark on your skin that jayzus didn't put there himself. FINE, kind, loving, forgiving, generous human beings...

Interestingly enough, the Bible says jayzus had his very own tattoo:

Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

:rolleyes:

As for this foolishness:
And I pointed out that less then half of the youth gets a higher education, which thus means they will most likely be poor and un-educated.

Yeah, Bill Gates is one seriously moronic loser, all right. Steve Jobs, too - just one broke idiot. Michael Dell, founder of Dell computers, dropped out of college at 19: moron; indigent. Paul Allen, CEO of Microsoft, didn't graduate college: dolt; destitute. Ted Turner was actually kicked out of college: retard; poverty-stricken. Sheldon Adelson, worth $20 billion or so, was a college dropout: idiot; bankrupt. Larry Ellison was a college dropout: stupid; penniless.

NOT.

Bottom line: a college education, or lack thereof, isn't necessarily a guarantee of anything (wealth or tattoos). Here's a quote from Sorry, Wrong Number that sums it up pretty darned well:

If a man hasn't got a talent for making money, college won't knock it into him. And if a man has a talent for making money, he won't need college.

Of course, having lots of money isn't the be-all and end-all in life.

I'm just sayin'.

Yeah, Bill Gates is one seriously moronic loser, all right. Steve Jobs, too - just one broke idiot. Michael Dell, founder of Dell computers, dropped out of college at 19: moron; indigent. Paul Allen, CEO of Microsoft, didn't graduate college: dolt; destitute. Ted Turner was actually kicked out of college: retard; poverty-stricken. Sheldon Adelson, worth $20 billion or so, was a college dropout: idiot; bankrupt. Larry Ellison was a college dropout: stupid; penniless.
:@@: Do I have to keep repeating myself? People who have a college degree versus those who don't have a college degree tend to make more money and have better jobs. Sure, you are again pointing out exceptions to the rule, but you are not understanding that they are rare and un-common.

Take a look for yourself:


CNN:

The survey found that adults 18 and older with a bachelor's degree earned an average of $51,554 in 2004, compared to $28,645 for those with only a high school diploma.

Those with advanced degrees did even better, taking home an average of $78,093 a year.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/25/pf/college/census_degree/index.htm

What I am talking about is the norms. I never said "all", I've always said MOST. Please, stop bringing up exceptions to the rule.

Bottom line: a college education, or lack thereof, isn't necessarily a guarantee of anything (wealth or tattoos).
I never said it was a guarantee, but I did say it sure as hell increases your chances.

[QUOTE=F. de Marzipan]I suppose people who haven't a fucking lick of common sense or reason would think so...

But if you're using that as a way to judge who is or isn't "a loser" I wonder if you've considered that tattooing has been practiced for thousands of years, in pretty much every civilization we know of. Using your retarded logic, every race that ever existed in the fullness of time must be comprised of total losers.

Tattooing has been a Eurasian practice at least since Neolithic times. Mummies bearing tattoos and dating from the end of the second millennium BC have been discovered at Pazyryk on the Ukok Plateau. Tattooing in Japan is thought to go back to the Paleolithic era, some ten thousand years ago. The Ainu, the indigenous people of Japan, wore facial tattoos. Tattooing was widespread among Polynesian peoples, and among many tribal groups in the Philippines, Borneo, Africa, North America, South America, Mesoamerica, Europe, Japan, Cambodia and China.

Did you know that your shitty attitude toward tattoos comes from the rise of Christianity? Yup. The gawd/jayzus-worshipers are the ones who decided tattoos were for losers. Need I mention that they're also the folks who found it good to torture, maim, even KILL people who didn't praise jayzus loudly enough? That's right, Western religious and cultural practices held tattooing to be a "pagan" or "heathen" activity, and did their best to wipe it out.

Right upstanding folks, them early Christians. Here to beat the crap out of you if you don't toe the line. Here to degrade and demean you if you put a mark on your skin that jayzus didn't put there himself. FINE, kind, loving, forgiving, generous human beings...

Interestingly enough, the Bible says jayzus had his very own tattoo:


:rolleyes:

As for this foolishness:
I'm sure History is laden down with stories of
many Cultures and what Uncivilized MAN preoccupied themself with.
Just like I'm not terribly interested {but am a little bit} in mank'n
sure I can start a fire with just a hollowed out piece of dry wood and a
fashioned small wood bow,and dry kindling,SO to with why
many have decided upon a Tattoo.
Like - Moby Dick - and the Indian Tattoo man,there seems to be some
magical power associated with decorating one's body.
I would like to have a nice Catholic Cross,like St.Christopher,to wear
around my neck,but I also don't like wearing ANY Jewelry.
I do like Watches,though.That's about it.
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Over the years I've become Wise and adopted the mindset of
my dear High School buddy.He wasn't the least concerned about
his clothes or bein hip,Mod or a Hippy.He never bought jewelry and
maybe wore a little 2-3 $ watch.He was a Genius in most
things,however.Literally a jack-of-all trades.Could fix damn near anything.
Worked for his father,parttime repairing TV's.His Dad had a TV/Radio
shop in their basement.He loved Cars.I helped him with his Newish
VW Beetle,which he kept modifying and then a Corvette,which he
bought,totalled.He's kinda Rich now,having graduated College with
an Electrical Engineering Degree,and then eventually taking over
his father's Electronics Dist. Company.
he never changed.I never learned more than when around him.
It was his Spirit.He was really Kool to hang around and very easygoing.
However he had his quirks.He dint like people actin stupid.
Loved to act like he was gonna make a Citizens arrest,if someone was
drivin reckless.
Of course,he was THE most reckless driver I ever knew.He was just
really cognizant about the risks and who was in his line of sight.
Actually KiLrOy was such a good driver,he felt immune.
People tend to Mimic or act like those they grew up with.
I'm glad I grew up around KiLrOy.I never once felt pressured about
my choice of clothes,,or if I had jewelry,lest alone a Tattoo.
That's just a trinket mentality,anywho.

" For as it is the chief concern of wise men to
retrench the evils of life by the reasonings of Philosophy;it is the
employment of fools to multiply them by the sentiments of
superstitution. "
-- Joseph Addison

Foolie I'm getting old, for gawd's sake, step up the type size I am going blind between trying to see the letters and make sentences and translate into comprehensive thought... Have some pity.
::whack::

I'll have to go thru my Churchill Huge Bio book.Churchill was
Ignored by his own Mother,who acted the Floozy.Some had other
names for the behavior Churchill's Momsie displayed.

I'm not saying OUTLAW Tattoo,because it's a good source of
judging character.I doubt many Philosophers,who Live for THOUGHT,
give much creed to a silly Tattoo.
It's the stereotypical,inner-city knucklehead,or blitzed-out
drunken Sailor on leave,that used to fall prey to the beckoning of a
Tattoo Parlor.
It's an extreme generalization to say that all those who have tattoos are idiots or knuckleheads or blitzed-out, drunken sailors. Sure, some of them are, but there are some idiots without tattoos, too. As a measure of intelligence, tattoos are bad predictors.

There are LOTS of idiots without tattoos, because most people don't have tattoos.

And there sure are a LOT of idiots out there.

There are LOTS of idiots without tattoos, because most people don't have tattoos.

And there sure are a LOT of idiots out there.
:lolhit: This is a true statement.

:lolhit: This is a true statement.

However :
At the age of 19,Speck did something that wouldn't pass notice
at the time,but would figure later in life as the essence of the man.
" We all had something different," he recalled in an interview during
the time he was inside a Tattoo Parlor.[" I couldn't think of
nothing to have on my arm,so I asked the tattooer if he had
any ideas.He suggested all kinds of things,slogans and stuff, and one
of them was born to raise hell.[FONT="Arial"]That sounded kinda
good,so I let him put that.Didn't mean anything special to me. "
/FONT]-- Richard Speck

Like how FONT is dat.How century Gothic a horror mindset must one
have in order to be such a dim bulb.
There...I juts proved how entirely stupendous an Idiot,one must be
in order to even CONTEMPLATE a
Tattoo.

However :
At the age of 19,Speck did something that wouldn't pass notice
at the time,but would figure later in life as the essence of the man.
" We all had something different," he recalled in an interview during
the time he was inside a Tattoo Parlor.[" I couldn't think of
nothing to have on my arm,so I asked the tattooer if he had
any ideas.He suggested all kinds of things,slogans and stuff, and one
of them was born to raise hell.[FONT="Arial"]That sounded kinda
good,so I let him put that.Didn't mean anything special to me. "
/FONT]-- Richard Speck

Like how FONT is dat.How century Gothic a horror mindset must one
have in order to be such a dim bulb.
There...I juts proved how entirely stupendous an Idiot,one must be
in order to even CONTEMPLATE a
Tattoo.
Foolie, can you dumb this down to my level 'cuz I can't comprehend wtf you be's talkin' 'bout. Sorry, but I'z had lots 2 drink 2day'.:D

:lolhit:

Foolie, can you dumb this down to my level 'cuz I can't comprehend wtf you be's talkin' 'bout. Sorry, but I'z had lots 2 drink 2day'.:D

:lolhit:
Joey, is that you back and all growed up...?

However :
At the age of 19,Speck did something that wouldn't pass notice
at the time,but would figure later in life as the essence of the man.
" We all had something different," he recalled in an interview during
the time he was inside a Tattoo Parlor.[" I couldn't think of
nothing to have on my arm,so I asked the tattooer if he had
any ideas.He suggested all kinds of things,slogans and stuff, and one
of them was born to raise hell.[FONT="Arial"]That sounded kinda
good,so I let him put that.Didn't mean anything special to me. "
/FONT]-- Richard Speck

Like how FONT is dat.How century Gothic a horror mindset must one
have in order to be such a dim bulb.
There...I juts proved how entirely stupendous an Idiot,one must be
in order to even CONTEMPLATE a
Tattoo.
Yes, because everyone goes through exactly the same thoughts, has exactly the same frame of mind, the same experiences, hopes, dreams, wants, needs, desires, fears, and unique properties as everyone else when they do a similar act. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Is Foolsworth a caricature personality behind a very shrewd mind, or just an idiot?

Joey, is that you back and all growed up...?
LOL Sal.

I just converted Fools paragraph to WingDings 3 (Font) and now I understand what he was saying.

EDIT: Is Foolsworth a caricature personality behind a very shrewd mind, or just an idiot?

Depends upon the day and his mood. :D Oh, and maybe our mood too.

Foolie, can you dumb this down to my level 'cuz I can't comprehend wtf you be's talkin' 'bout. Sorry, but I'z had lots 2 drink 2day'.:D

:lolhit:

Then,the time is ripe,dear boy,to run down to the nearest Tattoo Parlor
and load up on some.I mean,why wait.

EDIT: Is Foolsworth a caricature personality behind a very shrewd mind, or just an idiot?
Borg, I usually have to read Foolie's posts over and over to get a clue what the hell he is talking about. But once I grasp what he is saying, it usually makes sense.

Don't let Foolie fool ya...he's a smart cookie.:thumbs:

Borg, I usually have to read Foolie's posts over and over to get a clue what the hell he is talking about. But once I grasp what he is saying, it usually makes sense.

Don't let Foolie fool ya...he's a smart cookie.:thumbs:
Yeah and the scary part is, the more you read them and the more they make sense the easier it becomes to understand them.

Now that is some scary happening.

Except for the little font size. Foolie I am gonna charge you for the magnifying glass or eye repair... or maybe tattoo "print larger on your butt".

[QUOTE=BorgHunter]Yes, because everyone goes through exactly the same thoughts, has exactly the same frame of mind, the same experiences, hopes, dreams, wants, needs, desires, fears, and unique properties as everyone else when they do a similar act. :rolleyes:


No it's more like a Parent INSISTING their Son/daughter
run right down to the local Tattoo Parlor and git one,ford
they enroll at that Ivy league college.
Lest they feel shortchanged by the insecure notion that
NOT having a Tatto can afford one.
See how Dumb a Tattoo sounds.
Soundin dumber by the minute...Eh ?

No it's more like a Parent INSISTING their Son/daughter
run right down to the local Tattoo Parlor and git one,ford
they enroll at that Ivy league college.
Lest they feel shortchanged by the insecure notion that
NOT having a Tatto can afford one.
See how Dumb a Tattoo sounds.
Soundin dumber by the minute...Eh ?
Even I can't parse this one. What?

Then,the time is ripe,dear boy,to run down to the nearest Tattoo Parlor
and load up on some.I mean,why wait.
Nah. Me don'ts likey tat-toos on meself.

Even I can't parse this one. What?

I guess what I'm tryin,like the dickens to point out is,
in actuality VERY Simple.AS Tattoo is only as relevant and
dire as one chooses to make of it.
I can't for the life of me comprehend what all the hubbub over
branding oneself is.I know Tattoo's are very fashionable Now.
And there is even a few successful Tattoo Reality shows.
It's not the same as Andy Warhol and his Pop Art,but similar.
Like Melvyn Douglas { HUD } said ... :
" Little by little the look of the country changes because of the
men we admire.You're just going to have to make up you own mind
one day about what's right and wrong. "
-- Homer Bannon

I've done just that about Tattoo's.I did it at an early age,
What a relief to know,that I can't be swayed by other's lack
of true grit or self-determination.

My thoughts on the young fellow whose picture was posted at the beginning of this thread:
* That guy is severely damaged, angry, sad, and attention-starved.
And eminently un-hirable.

My thoughts on the subject of tattoos in general:

* Fads and fashion (i.e.; clothing and shoes) are a fleeting and fickle proposition. But fads and fashion are a temporary state of affairs. Tattoos, on the other hand, are forever.

* Don't get one because everybody else has one. Get one because there is some symbol that tells the world something about you that you are unable to articulate in conversation, and you will likely die if you don't anoint your body with it forever.

* Unless you hail from Samoa or the deepest jungles of South America, don’t try to sell anyone on the significance of your ‘tribal arm band’ tattoo.

* Sailors, Marines, and genuine hard-core bikers have the street-cred to wear the body art convincingly. Pampered upper-middle-class mall-rats named Brittney, LoQuisha, Conner, or Chad, with colorful cell phones glued to the side of their faces 23 hours a day, do not.

* Tough guys who have spent serious time in prison wear the ink with convincing credibility. Lost-boys and/or lost-girls going through a Goth stage do not.

and lastly,

* THE SIX MONTH RULE: If you have thought long and hard (six months or more) about the tattoo you plan to have inked into your flesh forever and always, and that symbol carries profound significance to you, then you probably have thought long enough about it.
If on the other hand, you show up at the tattoo parlor with the intention of getting a tat because it’s the cool thing to do, and you have to peruse through the books of sample tattoos in order to pick one out on the spot?
You are a dumb ass, and you will likely regret that tattoo in, oh, about six months.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/RkhJNE-tiVI/AAAAAAAAES4/h5B1-44NWmA/s400/stupid_tattoos_33.jpg

Well said, Sparky.

Hey dads of the world, don't want your daughter to be a skank sleeping with everybody? Just get a tattoo of Pope Benedict on her crotch. Those men will be running away from her faster than you can say "Thou shalt not."

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1050/benedictsaysdt9.jpg

How about if I'm not a sailer, marine, hard-core biker, OR a pampered mall rat?

Although my dad is (was) a hard-core biker. Does some of his tattoo-cred rub off on me? :D

Does some of his tattoo-cred rub off on me? :D
No. :)

* Unless you hail from Samoa or the deepest jungles of South America, don’t try to sell anyone on the significance of your ‘tribal arm band’ tattoo.
While I was getting my 'ohm' tattoo, the tattoo artist told me about people who would ask for "the 3 with the tail." I'm guessing that if they didn't know what the ohm was called, they probably didn't have any idea what it meant either. That makes me wonder why they would want it on their skin for the rest of their lives.

No. :)
Hmph. Oh well, I think my tattoo looks good, and I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks. It's not even visible 99% of the time anyways. It's for me to enjoy and that is all.

It's for me to enjoy and that is all.
I don't know where chicks get off thinking that their bodies are for their enjoyment. I mean, c'mon now....

I don't know where chicks get off thinking that their bodies are for their enjoyment. I mean, c'mon now....
LOL It's all mine! Why do you think I wear low-cut shirts? Not so OTHER people can stare down my cleavage... It's for when I get bored :)

Why do you think I wear low-cut shirts? Not so OTHER people can stare down my cleavage... It's for when I get bored :)
LMAO! :)

Yeah, I know the feeling - I get bored a lot, myself.

Unfortunately, my cleavage does nothing for me. That's when I get slapped.

LMAO! :)

Yeah, I know the feeling - I get bored a lot, myself.

Unfortunately, my cleavage does nothing for me. That's when I get slapped.They're slapping you because you aren't supposed to walk around with your zipper open Prae.

They're slapping you because you aren't supposed to walk around with your zipper open Prae.

Yup,People with Tattoos seem to notice that kinda crap {zippers open}
Since they've entered into a World,replete in Lots Crap
and all things Tattoo'ish.

They're slapping you because you aren't supposed to walk around with your zipper open Prae.
What!?! lol - :confused:

If I were to do that, I'd get laughed at, not slapped.

What!?! lol - :confused:

If I were to do that, I'd get laughed at, not slapped.


lol... okay that was good!

Yup,People with Tattoos seem to notice that kinda crap {zippers open}
Since they've entered into a World,replete in Lots Crap
and all things Tattoo'ish.

Fooooooooolie my eyes thank you for the larger print...BUT is my foolspeak dictionary in the mail 'cause... :( I be losted.