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shortstuff
06-24-2007, 12:09 PM
This was sent to me by a friend. It really makes you think about how the human brain works. Are we just conditioned to read. How was this so easy to read even when just glancing at all this it looked garbled up. I see now how people with dyslexia and other learning difficulties do so well with spelling fanatically. I know I do that myself and I have to use spell check before posting and then I know what the correct word should look like after seeing it right. I know that is a lazy way but if you can't spell the word closely then you can't look it up in the dictionary either.


i Cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

This is just food for thought on how we process and decode words

Frogger
06-24-2007, 12:44 PM
A day late and a dollar short, Shortstuff. This topic was discussed months ago and is floating around somewhere in the archives.

A yad laet adn a dlolar srtoh, Stohrtsfuf. Htis potic aws cidsussed mnohts gao adn is lofaignt audnor mosehewre ni het acivhrse.

shortstuff
06-24-2007, 12:53 PM
Cool well if that is the case whatever. I just found it interesting and such.
If a mod wants to melt the two together be my guest.
:lolhit:

Frogger
06-24-2007, 12:56 PM
It is interesting and perhaps your posts should be melded into the other thread.

sedan
06-24-2007, 01:00 PM
Frogger mentioned it once, that's all. There was hardly any major discussion.

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=19628&highlight=Cmabrigde

shortstuff
06-24-2007, 01:24 PM
For me I wonder how the brain takes what we see and turns it into what we read. I mean these words are all garbled and such but it was so easy to read.
Does it me I have a learning problem and such or is it just how our brains are wired?
Not sure but would like to find out and might Google and research it a bit.

500lbguerilla
06-24-2007, 05:04 PM
Its your brains amazing ability to recognize patterns. It looks for patterns everywhere, thats part of how we learn. With recognizing patterns comes scanning. Not actually looking closely, just cursory. I'm guessing tha when you read its mostly cursory to keep your brain from getting tired quickly. Campare reading newspapers to reading the Odyssey. Different words and sentence structures so you actually have to concentrate and it takes it out of you faster.

shortstuff
06-24-2007, 05:41 PM
That is interesting. I guess that could be why when I read to myself it all make sense but when I read out loud I and add and remove words to fit what I think I am reading. Weird but I guess it also depends on how fast your brain process what you see. For most ADHD people their brain is going faster then they can process. There lies a problem.
Maybe spelling fanatically is good enough for some but society is so hung up on grammatically spelling words right.

Frogger
06-24-2007, 07:30 PM
Frogger mentioned it once, that's all. There was hardly any major discussion.

It generated 24 posts over 2 pages, Sedan, hardly Frogger mentioned it once and there was no discussion.

sedan
06-24-2007, 07:58 PM
It generated 24 posts over 2 pages, Sedan, hardly Frogger mentioned it once and there was no discussion.That's funny. I just looked at it again and I see your post received all of one response -- es telling you to lay off the drugs.

That hardly constitutes a thorough discussion.

Phyrex
06-25-2007, 06:18 AM
Old, heh. It is interesting, I saw it long long long ago however.

~Sal~
06-25-2007, 06:21 AM
Old, heh. It is interesting, I saw it long long long ago however.

Yeah?

That's cause you're getting old, old, old eh? :p

sedan
06-25-2007, 11:16 PM
Back to the topic, studies of chess players have shown that stronger players see the pieces in groups, that they 'chunk' information, and this allows them to analyze positions more quickly than weaker players. For example, one study took people of similar IQs, half of them chess players and the other half non-players. They were shown positions from real games played by masters for a short time and then were asked to reconstruct the position. The strongest players could do this with ease while the non-players couldn't do it at all. When the same people were shown randomly constructed positions, where the pieces had no rhyme or reason to their placement, the chess players did little better than their non-playing counterparts.

I think the reason why we can read the Cmabrigde Uinervtisy sentences fairly easily is because we have trained our minds to look at words as groups -- we never 'look' at the individual letters of a word unless it is new to us. And once you understand where a sentence is going (derived from context) the mind leaps ahead to the expected continuation even before we 'read' the next word.

~Sal~
06-26-2007, 10:30 AM
I think the reason why we can read the Cmabrigde Uinervtisy sentences fairly easily is because we have trained our minds to look at words as groups -- we never 'look' at the individual letters of a word unless it is new to us. And once you understand where a sentence is going (derived from context) the mind leaps ahead to the expected continuation even before we 'read' the next word.

I think you are right. Years ago I took a speed reading course and we were taught to read in chunks and also to place our focus in middle of the page and run it downwards. Basically you trained yourself to skip the first few and last few words on either side of the page.

I took the course because I registered extremely slow when reading. My speed was in the bottom percentile while my comprehension was in the top 2 %. I had to find a balance or I simply could not get through all the required reading for my classes for the week.

Frogger
06-26-2007, 10:43 AM
The Evelynn Wood class teaches you to read that way. You begin by reading a sentence in two eye movements, one for the beginning of the line and another for the end of the line. By the time you have finished the course you should be able to simply look at the page maybe four or five times in order to get the gist of it.

I can do that when I have to read a lot in a short time but when I want to really read for enjoyment I find the slower method preferable.

~Sal~
06-26-2007, 10:50 AM
Yes, I no longer use the speed reading techniques since time is no longer a factor when reading a book but I do believe that it increased my over all speed anyway. One does not need to be able to recite the damn thing verbatim ... I don't know what that was about.

Frogger
06-26-2007, 10:57 AM
It really depends on what I am reading. If I am reading for pleasure at least part of the pleasure is in the author's use of words. If you speed read you lose a lot of that.

When I read history books I want to be sure to not miss anything. In fact I often reread a page or even a few pages if something is involved or a bit difficult to fully grasp, ie, sequences of events, dates, etc.

LionelHutz
06-26-2007, 11:01 AM
I think the reason why we can read the Cmabrigde Uinervtisy sentences fairly easily is because we have trained our minds to look at words as groups -- we never 'look' at the individual letters of a word unless it is new to us. And once you understand where a sentence is going (derived from context) the mind leaps ahead to the expected continuation even before we 'read' the next word.

The downside of that, I suspect, is that when proofreading something most people's minds tend to "fix" what's wrong and they go right past it.

Imagineer
06-26-2007, 12:28 PM
The upside is that it makes it possible to read some peoples posts here.

LionelHutz
06-26-2007, 09:58 PM
The upside is that it makes it possible to read some peoples posts here.

The downside is that those posts aren't usually worth reading.