The longer these clowns remains in office, the more dissatisfied we all become. Some years ago there was talk of King Richard Nixon, but even Tricky Dick had more sense than this.

W.T.F.? (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cheney23jun23,1,2991960.story?track=crosspromo&page=1&coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true)



WASHINGTON — The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney's office, President Bush's office is not allowing an independent federal watchdog to oversee its handling of classified national security information.

An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 — amending an existing order — requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn't specifically say so, Bush's order was not meant to apply to the vice president's office or the president's office, a White House spokesman said.

The issue flared Thursday when Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Los Angeles) criticized Cheney for refusing to file annual reports with the federal National Archives and Records Administration, for refusing to spell out how his office handles classified documents, and for refusing to submit to an inspection by the archives' Information Security Oversight Office.

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Cheney's original position was that in his capacity as President of the Senate his office was a part of the legislative branch, not the executive. It would almost be worth it to let him get away with such nonsense if only to laugh at him the next time he claims executive privilege. Also, it looks pretty bad that he complied with the order in 2001 and 2002 but stopped in 2003. Makes you wonder what he's trying to hide, does that.

What situations do arise. This crooked bastard, has an oversight committee of crooked bastards, that enforce rules and regulations in a crooked manner, that protects all crooked bastards, until such leaked evidence makes the crooked bastards turn on each other to protect their own crooked ass. (whew!)

According to CNN this illegal stuff has been going on since the 60s.

Next week the CIA will release "Little known documents now being made public detail illegal and scandalous activities by the CIA more than 30 years ago:wiretapping, of journalists, kidnappings, warrantless searches and more."

These documents are known by the CIA as "the family jewels."

According to CNN this illegal stuff has been going on since the 60s.

Next week the CIA will release "Little known documents now being made public detail illegal and scandalous activities by the CIA more than 30 years ago:wiretapping, of journalists, kidnappings, warrantless searches and more."

These documents are known by the CIA as "the family jewels."


The CIA may have been doing these things since the 60's. However the FBI has been doing them since the day J. E. Hover took over the bureau. When will they come clean?

The CIA may have been doing these things since the 60's. However the FBI has been doing them since the day J. E. Hover took over the bureau. When will they come clean?

The CIA Works at the pleasure of The White House.
Like most any other appointment to a Presidents Cabinett.
The CIA Reports Directly to The President and also has leeway when
it comes to COVERT Ops.Like remember when Sandy Burger was
Called up and asked for a green light to snuff-out OBL in the Sudan.
And Burger Caved.Pretty mush hung-up the phone and trolley'd off
like a little brat who got sand brushed on his knickers in the
kiddie sandbox.

IIRC -- buckshot dick claimed executihve privilege to keep his energy meeting papers secret. So that means he now has to turn over the papers???

IIRC -- buckshot dick claimed executihve privilege to keep his energy meeting papers secret. So that means he now has to turn over the papers???I'm sure the answer is 'no'. Cheney can wear two different hats depending on the situation. When asked to comply with an Executive Order he can put on the legislative hat and say 'no'. When Congress asks him to turn over information about back-room energy deals he puts on the executive hat and says 'no'. It's pretty simple, really.

I'm sure the answer is 'no'. Cheney can wear two different hats depending on the situation. When asked to comply with an Executive Order he can put on the legislative hat and say 'no'. When Congress asks him to turn over information about back-room energy deals he puts on the executive hat and says 'no'. It's pretty simple, really.

It's also possible to remove Cheney from his duties as Senate president, thus removing him from the legislative branch.

Then what hat does he use?

It's also possible to remove Cheney from his duties as Senate president, thus removing him from the legislative branch.

Then what hat does he use?
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LOL sedan

It's also possible to remove Cheney from his duties as Senate president, thus removing him from the legislative branch.

Then what hat does he use?

To remove the Vice President from his duty of presiding over the Senate would require an amendment to the Constitution. Right in Article 3 it says

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

It seems clear to me that the Vice President is in fact a member of the Legislative Branch, as in fact is the next person in line to be President, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Therefore, Executive Privlege does not apply to the Vice President, and the list of oil company executives he met with when formulating the energy policy back in 2001 should be delivered to Congress immediately or he should be impeached.

The CIA Works at the pleasure of The White House.
Like most any other appointment to a Presidents Cabinett.
The CIA Reports Directly to The President and also has leeway when
it comes to COVERT Ops.Like remember when Sandy Burger was
Called up and asked for a green light to snuff-out OBL in the Sudan.
And Burger Caved.Pretty mush hung-up the phone and trolley'd off
like a little brat who got sand brushed on his knickers in the
kiddie sandbox.


I'm well aware of who controls the CIA. Just like I know the FBI answers to a Presidential appointee. Thanks for the civics lesson.
However, none of that answers my question.

To remove the Vice President from his duty of presiding over the Senate would require an amendment to the Constitution. Right in Article 3 it says

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

It seems clear to me that the Vice President is in fact a member of the Legislative Branch, as in fact is the next person in line to be President, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Therefore, Executive Privlege does not apply to the Vice President, and the list of oil company executives he met with when formulating the energy policy back in 2001 should be delivered to Congress immediately or he should be impeached.

Technically, you are correct immagineer and in the case Cheney comes under the legislative branch, then he can be called in front of the senate committees in lieu of the house commitees. There simply is no branch or position in the U.S. government that escapes all oversight.

But, given this administration has shredded the constitution, (one example -- wiretaps without warrants are unconstitutional also) all bets are off.

This will boil down to how badly the republican party wants to protect Cheney (and now Bush has claimed he is exempt from congressional oversight). This is a huge gamble for the republicans.

If they decide to let Bush/Cheney get away with no oversight, that power will be passed on to President Hillary Rodham Clinton in '09. That may be just too much for them to handle.

It would also be interesting to see this get to the Supreme court who would be in a position to either rule against the constitution or rule against the very people that put them in power (Roberts, ALito expecially).

Supreme court justices can also be impeached and they know that.

Unfortunately for Deadeye Dick, the position of Vice President is spelled out in Article 2 of the Constitution, placing it firmly in the executive branch...

Cheney is, as usual, full of shit...

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According to CNN this illegal stuff has been going on since the 60s.

Next week the CIA will release "Little known documents now being made public detail illegal and scandalous activities by the CIA more than 30 years ago:wiretapping, of journalists, kidnappings, warrantless searches and more."

These documents are known by the CIA as "the family jewels."

We like to think that no one is above the law. But Congress and the Executive Branch have shown time and time again that they are.

The Law is a question of convenience and political viability for them. There are so many avenue's for members of the government to get off, they are rarely prosecuted for "work related" incidents. Recently, Conda Liza Rice refused to appear before the congress after being issued a congressional subpenoa. Congress has the power to hold her in Contempt of Congress, yet they did not.

Vice President Cheney of all the offices of the executive branch should be submitting to the oversight of the National Archives. Especially after the Scotter Libby incident.

The CIA may have been doing these things since the 60's. However the FBI has been doing them since the day J. E. Hover took over the bureau. When will they come clean?It's going to turn out that only the Republican Presidents knew it was going on.

Juan Williams was terrific on FNS this morning.

This link has a short video clip:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_pundit_Cheney_in_secure_undisclosed_0624.html

By the end of this coming week, you will understand why Cheney is trying to become untouchable. Monday mornings Washington Post article will not be kind to him and it will be down hill from there. Cheney the torturer, Gonzales the enabler, Bush the cheerleader.