(sad but true)

Man killed after child was hit by car

Vehicle's passenger was beaten to death by several men, police say.

By Tony Plohetski

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Wednesday, June 20, 2007

A group of men fatally beat a passenger in a car that police said accidentally struck a child outside an East Austin apartment complex, police said today.

As many as 3,000 people were in the area following a Juneteenth celebration at the time, officials said. Austin police Cmdr. Harold Piatt estimated that dozens were in the parking lot of the Booker T. Washington apartment complex at the time and that preliminary information shows no witnesses apparently tried to prevent or stop the attack.

"At this point, we aren't aware that any person did anything to stop the assault or prevent the injuries," he said.

Piatt said investigators are still trying to question people who might have seen the attack.

Police said officers responded to a "person down" call at 9:30 p.m. and that when they arrived, they found David Rivas Morales, 40, with trauma to his body. He was taken to Brackenridge Hospital and pronounced dead.

Investigators said the assault apparently occurred after the driver of the car struck a child in a parking lot at 900 Thompson St. The child, a 4-year-old girl, was treated for injuries that were not life-threatening.

Witnesses told investigators that a group of men assaulted Morales when he stepped out of the car to try to stop the crowd from assaulting the driver, who had gotten out of the car. Piatt said it was unclear if the driver was aware he'd struck the child.

The driver, whose name has not been released, was able to leave the area in the car. Police later found him and the car.

"This is an anomaly for Austin, Piatt said. "When you have someone just beaten to death in a parking lot."

Morales' sister, Margaret Morales, who lives in an apartment complex where the incident happened, said her brother was riding home with a man she knew only as "Victor" from a painting job. She said a child came to her door shortly after the incident and told her what happened.

Morales said that when she showed up at the scene, she found her brother bleeding from the head.

"He was a loving, caring man," Margaret Morales said as she fought back tears while standing on her porch. "I don't know why anyone would want to do this; I can't imagine him gone out of our lives forever."

Anyone with information is asked to call CrimeStoppers at 477-3588.

"We know we had a number of folks who saw something," Piatt said. "Hopefully there are some good Samaritans who are as upset about we are about what happened."

tplohetski@statesman.com; 445-3605

That's terrible. "HEY THAT GUY HIT A LITTLE GIRL! WE SHOULD BEAT UP THE GUY THAT WASN'T DRIVING!"

A little stupid if you ask me.

I agree, DF. VERY stupid.

:(
SMW

(sad but true)

Man killed after child was hit by car

Vehicle's passenger was beaten to death by several men, police say.

By Tony Plohetski

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Wednesday, June 20, 2007

A group of men fatally beat a passenger in a car that police said accidentally struck a child outside an East Austin apartment complex, police said today.

As many as 3,000 people were in the area following a Juneteenth celebration at the time, officials said. Austin police Cmdr. Harold Piatt estimated that dozens were in the parking lot of the Booker T. Washington apartment complex at the time and that preliminary information shows no witnesses apparently tried to prevent or stop the attack.

"At this point, we aren't aware that any person did anything to stop the assault or prevent the injuries," he said.

Piatt said investigators are still trying to question people who might have seen the attack.

Police said officers responded to a "person down" call at 9:30 p.m. and that when they arrived, they found David Rivas Morales, 40, with trauma to his body. He was taken to Brackenridge Hospital and pronounced dead.

Investigators said the assault apparently occurred after the driver of the car struck a child in a parking lot at 900 Thompson St. The child, a 4-year-old girl, was treated for injuries that were not life-threatening.

Witnesses told investigators that a group of men assaulted Morales when he stepped out of the car to try to stop the crowd from assaulting the driver, who had gotten out of the car. Piatt said it was unclear if the driver was aware he'd struck the child.

The driver, whose name has not been released, was able to leave the area in the car. Police later found him and the car.

"This is an anomaly for Austin, Piatt said. "When you have someone just beaten to death in a parking lot."

Morales' sister, Margaret Morales, who lives in an apartment complex where the incident happened, said her brother was riding home with a man she knew only as "Victor" from a painting job. She said a child came to her door shortly after the incident and told her what happened.

Morales said that when she showed up at the scene, she found her brother bleeding from the head.

"He was a loving, caring man," Margaret Morales said as she fought back tears while standing on her porch. "I don't know why anyone would want to do this; I can't imagine him gone out of our lives forever."

Anyone with information is asked to call CrimeStoppers at 477-3588.

"We know we had a number of folks who saw something," Piatt said. "Hopefully there are some good Samaritans who are as upset about we are about what happened."

tplohetski@statesman.com; 445-3605


That is absurd and very sad.

Definitely NOT an excuse... but possibly an explanation.

"As many as 3,000 people were in the area following a Juneteenth celebration at the time, officials said."

Juneteenth is a Texas holiday that marks the date when Blacks got word of the Emancipation Proclamation (2 years after it was enacted). It's celebrated by the Black community on June 19th.

Sounds like a mob of partiers got out of control, doesn't it?

:(
SMW

What a bunch of Morans....

I know people called Moran

Reading between the lines, it looks like a couple of Hispanic guys accidentally hit a little black girl in middle of a block party of black people....Scratch one Hispanic man.

Shouldnt be that difficult to arrest these people unless gang involvement is at work.

Do they look like this? (http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/moran-7512.jpg)

Nah, people here dont wear hankys on they're head,sorry.

Maybe thats why he dislikes them...

Shouldnt be that difficult to arrest these people unless gang involvement is at work.

Actually, I expect it to be quite the contrary barring a confession or cooperation from someone close to the suspects.

Good luck trying to reconstruct an event involving an enebriated, rowdy mob without videotape. If you've ever tried it (and I have), it's damn near impossible because everyone has a different story and recollection of what happened....and that's BEFORE you throw in the possibility of some witnesses being drunk.

Imagine a scene where you've seen an angry mob do something. Then imagine if someone asked you to identify one of the members of the angry mob and what exactly that person did. Even if you think you could give a halfway decent response to that, you can probably imagine how different people witnessing the same event would recall it differently from you.

Actually, I expect it to be quite the contrary barring a confession or cooperation from someone close to the suspects.

Good luck trying to reconstruct an event involving an enebriated, rowdy mob without videotape. If you've ever tried it (and I have), it's damn near impossible because everyone has a different story and recollection of what happened....and that's BEFORE you throw in the possibility of some witnesses being drunk.

Imagine a scene where you've seen an angry mob do something. Then imagine if someone asked you to identify one of the members of the angry mob and what exactly that person did. Even if you think you could give a halfway decent response to that, you can probably imagine how different people witnessing the same event would recall it differently from you.

At a Juneteenth celebration, nobody knows anything, nobody saw anything, nobody talks.

Unfortunately it wasn't the only place in the country where a Juneteenth celebration ended in violence.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/8092297.html

I know this is going to sound racist but this wasn't an example of Texas justice, SMW but of young, black male justice. Both in Texas and in Milwaukee the perpetrators were young, black males. The same thing happened last year during Juneteenth celebrations.

When you have a celebration that revolves around young people, drinking and reminding people that they were once enslaved irrational anger is sometimes the result. Juneteenth celebrations often wind up being violent.

I know this is going to sound racist but this wasn't an example of Texas justice, SMW but of young, black male justice. Both in Texas and in Milwaukee the perpetrators were young, black males. The same thing happened last year during Juneteenth celebrations.

When you have a celebration that revolves around young people, drinking and reminding people that they were once enslaved irrational anger is sometimes the result. Juneteenth celebrations often wind up being violent.
You're absolutely right, Frogger. It was a racist attack... and a case of two brown men being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Personally, I'd no more put myself in a place where there were thousands of people celebrating a Black holiday than I'd fly across this room.

I'm gonna copy & paste a story I just told on my thread about another example of citizens taking the law into their own hands... that happened to me this morning on my way to work.

SMW

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
Excitement in the Big City this morning. As I rounded the corner on my way to my bldg, saw a white guy tackle a hispanic guy and take him to the ground. Brown guy was screaming like a Banshi, but white guy pinned him down and wasn't gonna let up. I walked over to parking lot attendant's booth and asked him to call 911. He handed me his cell phone (Nigerian... very little English). Called 911... got recording. "All operators are busy right now, please hold."

Good grief.

Took over 15 min for the cops to get there, but white guy was joined by several other men who each took a limb and made sure brown guy didn't escape.

911 lady (when she finally came on) told me there had been a bad wreck about 3 blocks away and she figured bad guy probably ran and white guy probably chased him down.

Sure 'nuff. That's what happened.

Moral to the story? I better start carrying something more deadly than an umbrella if it's gonna take the cops 15 min to arrive at a crime scene downtown.

:(
SMW

You're absolutely right, Frogger. It was a racist attack... and a case of two brown men being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Can you guarantee that this incident wouldn't have happened if the driver and passenger were black? If not, then there are no grounds to claim that race had anything to do with the attack.

I can't guarantee anything, Jester. IMHO, it was a race thing and would've probably had the same outcome if the two brown men had been two white men. Depending on the mob's mentality, might have even been the same if all parties involved were black.

But the FACT is... it was two brown men in the parking lot of an apartment complex near a place where 3000 black people were partying.

You live in Texas. How much 'mixing of the races' do you witness?

SMW

I can't guarantee anything, Jester. IMHO, it was a race thing and would've probably had the same outcome if the two brown men had been two white men. Depending on the mob's mentality, might have even been the same if all parties involved were black.To blame this incident on racism is just speculation based solely on the fact that the perpetrators and the victim were of different races. It's exactly what people like Jesse Jackson and Al Shartpon do, but reversed.

Sounds like it's time to put an end to these celebrations. At least until people learn to control themselves and their kids.

Sounds like it's time to put an end to these celebrations. At least until people learn to control themselves and their kids.

Of course, and we should stop celebrating Mardi Gras because some people get arrested.

Of course, and we should stop celebrating Mardi Gras because some people get arrested.


Be realistic, they don't beat each other to death.

Be realistic, they don't beat each other to death.

Be realistic? Be my guest. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Mardi_Gras_Riots

According to the little wiki snipet, these were in Seattle mostly. That's what happens when you have Mardi Gras outside New Orleans I guess. They should stop having that in Seattle. At least until the people, and I use the term loosely, learn to act like civilized people.

I know this is going to sound racist but this wasn't an example of Texas justice, SMW but of young, black male justice. Both in Texas and in Milwaukee the perpetrators were young, black males. The same thing happened last year during Juneteenth celebrations.

When you have a celebration that revolves around young people, drinking and reminding people that they were once enslaved irrational anger is sometimes the result. Juneteenth celebrations often wind up being violent.

I'm sooooooooooooo sick about all this Racist talk.
The Major Media is doing it's level best to bury this story,
because they don't wanna appear Racist.
When in point of fact,if it was a group of whites gathered and a
Black got thugged to death,it wood be on virtually evey broadcast and
newsrag across this Land.
We've actually Deconstructed into an Era of Black Supremacy.
All Jesse Jackson OR Al Sharpton have to do is sniff out a wee bit
of Race from any issue and Wham Bam,thank You AlaBam.
Where Cynthia Tucker and her - Constitution - actually Live to
spin any issue,into a Race bait.
I sometimes wonder if Blacks like Spike Lee & Harry Belafonte won't
truly be happy untill All whites are put on a plantation and
Pick somethin.Maybe juts Ragweed.

I'm sooooooooooooo sick about all this Racist talk.
Amen, Brother! Especially when the claims are decidedly so one-sided.
When in point of fact,if it was a group of whites gathered and a Black got thugged to death,it wood be on virtually evey broadcast and newsrag across this Land.
Bingo. Whites are the enemy, remember? We're just "evil" incarnate. :rolleyes:

Couldn't agree more. Sick and tired of everyone crying racism too.

we should tret celbrations like dodge ball, end it since someone may get hurt!

we should tret celbrations like dodge ball, end it since someone may get hurt!

They did that years ago.
I remember reading where Dodge-em ball was banned from
public school,on account someone got a wittle bruise,er somethin.
We're fast turning into a Country of special interest groups.
Seems everbody wants some piece of the Pie,and the pitchfork
it comes with.

David Rivas Morales

To blame this incident on racism is just speculation based solely on the fact that the perpetrators and the victim were of different races. It's exactly what people like Jesse Jackson and Al Shartpon do, but reversed.

When in point of fact,if it was a group of whites gathered and a Black got thugged to death,it wood be on virtually evey broadcast and newsrag across this Land. Ummm...wheres the white people? This guy was maxican if that little fact managed to escape you...

Ummm...wheres the white people? This guy was maxican if that little fact managed to escape you...


Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Most Latinos are Caucasian, even if they won't admit it.

Ummm...wheres the white people? This guy was maxican if that little fact managed to escape you...
I don't know why you included my quote there. I never mentioned white people.

I included you becuase I agree with what you said. Others in here are acting like ass-hats.

And yes there would be more attention if a bunch of white had killed a black man. See there were these things in the recent past called Lynch Mobs that routinely murdered balcks. So yes people tend to be a little sensitive when it comes to something like that.

Regardless of the race involved these people are a bunch of fucking bloodthirsty morons. But hey maybe they have aspirations to be president...I mean having a tragedy, then murdering all the wrong people by half-wits seems to be in vogue these days...
Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Most Latinos are Caucasian, even if they won't admit it.race is a false social construct based on appearence. Are you telling me you can't spot a mexican?

Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Most Latinos are Caucasian, even if they won't admit it.

I doubt anyone cares wheteher it's nationality or race when they are beating someone or being beaten.

These incidents are the result of a mob mentality. There's nothing rational about these acts and trying to understand them as rational acts is an excercise in futility. All racial groups have been victims and all racial groups have been perpetrators of these kind of acts.

I included you becuase I agree with what you said. Others in here are acting like ass-hats.

And yes there would be more attention if a bunch of white had killed a black man. See there were these things in the recent past called Lynch Mobs that routinely murdered balcks. So yes people tend to be a little sensitive when it comes to something like that.

Regardless of the race involved these people are a bunch of fucking bloodthirsty morons. But hey maybe they have aspirations to be president...I mean having a tragedy, then murdering all the wrong people by half-wits seems to be in vogue these days...
race is a false social construct based on appearence. Are you telling me you can't spot a mexican?

Not always, those Americans with Latino (Mexican) heritage are pretty hard to differentiate from people actually born in Mexico. Then again, black Mexicans are pretty hard to pick out, when standing around black Americans.

Not always, those Americans with Latino (Mexican) heritage are pretty hard to differentiate from people actually born in Mexico. you just proved my point. thanks.

you just proved my point. thanks.

And that (unstated) point is/was, what?

I must have missed it.

I doubt anyone cares wheteher it's nationality or race when they are beating someone or being beaten.

These incidents are the result of a mob mentality. There's nothing rational about these acts and trying to understand them as rational acts is an excercise in futility. All racial groups have been victims and all racial groups have been perpetrators of these kind of acts.

I don't suppose the name { Reginald Denny } rings a bell.
He was the WHITE Truck Driver who was caught on Videotape
during the South Central L A Riots,that broke out after the
innocent verdict on the L A Cops who arrested and beat Rodney King.
Denny was yanked out of his truck and his head held down with a
BLACK Man's foot while the other BLACK man kicked him in the stomach.
Denny was then struck by a claw hammer and had pieces of concrete
flung at his head,as One BLACK thug did a Victory dance over his body
while Denny lay unconscious.As the BLACK Gand members left,one of the
BLACK Thugs made a point of spitting on Denny.

What is it about the behavior of BLACKS in the throes of a RIOT or
group fest that even remotely deserves justification.?
I say BLACKS are THE BIGGEST Racist on the planet.
Virtually to a Man,Blacks see the color of one's SKIN First & Foremost.
And then act accordingly.
There's a reason why there AIN'T but a couple Colored Saints.
They haven't earned the priviledge,
And their gettin worse.

I don't suppose the name { Reginald Denny } rings a bell.
He was the WHITE Truck Driver who was caught on Videotape
during the South Central L A Riots,that broke out after the
innocent verdict on the L A Cops who arrested and beat Rodney King.
Denny was yanked out of his truck and his head held down with a
BLACK Man's foot while the other BLACK man kicked him in the stomach.
Denny was then struck by a claw hammer and had pieces of concrete
flung at his head,as One BLACK thug did a Victory dance over his body
while Denny lay unconscious.As the BLACK Gand members left,one of the
BLACK Thugs made a point of spitting on Denny.

What is it about the behavior of BLACKS in the throes of a RIOT or
group fest that even remotely deserves justification.?
I say BLACKS are THE BIGGEST Racist on the planet.
Virtually to a Man,Blacks see the color of one's SKIN First & Foremost.
And then act accordingly.
There's a reason why there AIN'T but a couple Colored Saints.
They haven't earned the priviledge,
And their gettin worse.Surely, if every black person was that racist you shouldn't have to point to high profile cases in media as examples, right? You must have plenty of personal experiences of racism from blacks that you could use?

Surely, if every black person was that racist you shouldn't have to point to high profile cases in media as examples, right? You must have plenty of personal experiences of racism from blacks that you could use?

Show me a Black who doesn't like wearing Gold,or doesn't
want a Cadillac or some Malt Liquor.After the OJ verdict,site for me
ANY black who had difficulty with the verdict.

Show me a Black who doesn't like wearing Gold,or doesn't
want a Cadillac or some Malt Liquor.After the OJ verdict,site for me
ANY black who had difficulty with the verdict.
1. That doesn't address the point I was making.

2. I could show you plenty of black people who don't fit your description, both among people I know personally and otherwise. Believe it or not, some people actually interact with, and are friends with, black people and don't need to draw examples from TV.

I say BLACKS are THE BIGGEST Racist on the planet.


Virtually to a Man,Blacks see the color of one's SKIN First & Foremost.
And then act accordingly.
There's a reason why there AIN'T but a couple Colored Saints.
They haven't earned the priviledge,
And their gettin worse.

The ironing is delicious. :)

The ironing is delicious. :)

OH ! I see.So it's inexplicably juvenile and simplistic to
pigeonhole or profile.
So to assume Many a German prefer Sushi over sausages or
many Japanese would rather have some Salami or
bratwurst over raw fish is an assumption too elemental to hold
water.
In point of fact,to think otherwise is sheer sophistry.
I dint create Sociology.Society and differing peoples did.
Because of their needs,wants and likes as Cultures.

The ironing is delicious. :)I always found it pretty humorous when a racist complains about racism.

Oh wait, I guess I'm not allowed to call people the "r" word anymore.

Racism hurts everyone, 'cept the crackers. :eek:

And that (unstated) point is/was, what?

I must have missed it. That race is socially constructed. It based on the perception of where a person comes from. You said you can't tell teh difference between an 'actual' mexican and one born in detroit. Hence the guy in the car was mexican because he was seen that way, whther he was born there or not.

Oh wait, I guess I'm not allowed to call people the "r" word anymore.Only if the person or persons you are referring to are white, obviously.
Apparently no other pigmentation allows for racism in some people's view.

That race is socially constructed. It based on the perception of where a person comes from. You said you can't tell teh difference between an 'actual' mexican and one born in detroit. Hence the guy in the car was mexican because he was seen that way, whther he was born there or not.

You are still confusing race with nationality. Just like the fools who equate all illegal aliens with Mexico. Just because there are a great number of fools in the world, it does not make their perceptions correct. Yet you are doing your best to give them legitimacy.

You are still confusing race with nationality. Just like the fools who equate all illegal aliens with Mexico. Just because there are a great number of fools in the world, it does not make their perceptions correct. Yet you are doing your best to give them legitimacy.

A Philosophical Conversation {1777}
" Fools have been and always will be the majority of mankind. "
-- Diderot

Only if the person or persons you are referring to are white, obviously.
Apparently no other pigmentation allows for racism in some people's view.
Yet we constantly hear Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and many others being called racist, both publicly and privately.

Yet we constantly hear Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and many others being called racist, both publicly and privately.

I've yet to hear ANYONE at MSNBC Call Al Sharpton a Racist.
Al Sharpton is almost granted a free spot,anytime a race
issue pops up.
Like author Shelby Steel said...Sharpton NEEDS to be called-out
for exactly what he is and what he does.
He IS a Racist and he literally Hijacks this country by
boycott thru race baiting.
I wonder when Sharpton & Jackson will find the time to
say they feel for those Illegally prosecuted Lacross players {Duke}.
They don't.
Jackson & Sharpton,don't give a whit in Hell over any Whites
being falsely accused.They are Charlatans.
BTW,where's those Rhyming Reverends Church.?

You are still confusing race with nationality. Just like the fools who equate all illegal aliens with Mexico. Just because there are a great number of fools in the world, it does not make their perceptions correct. Yet you are doing your best to give them legitimacy. sigh. I just said race is socially constructed and doesn't actually exist. You claim it does and Im just confusing race with nationality...So whose empowering racists again?

Racism hurts everyone, 'cept the crackers. :eek:
that's Mr. Ritz to you...thanks in advance:thumbs:

Unfortunately it wasn't the only place in the country where a Juneteenth celebration ended in violence.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/8092297.html


Reading that article, it mentions

Some people think the violence takes away from the real meaning of Juneteenth.

It certainly does take the real meaning away. It's supposed to be about celcebrating emancipation but some turn it into an oppertunity to brawl? Those who had been slaves would hate to see those who now have freedom take their freedom for granted.

Sounds like it's time to put an end to these celebrations. At least until people learn to control themselves and their kids.

Not everybody that celebrates the event, would cause problems like that. The truth is, in the world we live in, there is a lot of violent people who love to scrap. They have no sense of remorse if they hurt someone else. But we can't just stop celebrating something because of ruthless people who don't value the well being of others. Every July in Windsor Ontario, they have an event called "The Freedom Festival" along the riverfront downtown. They have the fireworks display for Canada Day. There are fights sometimes and would be worse if there wasn't a large presence of police there. But people aren't willing to put an end to the Freedom Festival because of people who can't live as civilized people.

To blame this incident on racism is just speculation based solely on the fact that the perpetrators and the victim were of different races. It's exactly what people like Jesse Jackson and Al Shartpon do, but reversed.

I agree. There are some people that would beat the living daylights out of someone for the sake of it. They wouldn't care what race or color you are. There are incidents where a group of whites beat up someone white, or a group of blacks beat up someone black.

Bingo. Whites are the enemy, remember? We're just "evil" incarnate. :rolleyes:

Some blacks have been taught to believe that. That is where the root of the problem is when it comes to blacks doing racist assaults on whites. They have been taught that all white people are trash and that all white people are their enemy. Even if you treat them kind, treat them with dignity and respect, they have been taught to believe that it is nothing more than a big front. Racism is taught. No-one is born a bigot. Racism will never end until it stops getting passed down from generation to generation.

I say BLACKS are THE BIGGEST Racist on the planet.

You are wrong about that. My wife and I are interracial(I am white, she is black). There are people on both sides of the fence that oppose us being married. But overall, blacks are somewhat more accepting. There is less prejudiced amongst blacks. Even though there are blacks who oppose us, there less likely to oppose our marriage.

Not all white people or all black people are racist. There are racist people in both, but there are also many who are not racist. The reason why it seems like blacks are more racist is because racist blacks are open about it. They will tell you right to your face they are against you. Racist whites usually hide the fact that they are racist. Racist balcks are usually very angry and have a destructive mindset. Racist whites are usually ignorant bigoted people who feel good about themselves by belitting others.

I've yet to hear ANYONE at MSNBC Call Al Sharpton a Racist.Major media outlets aren't the only source of human opinion. Sharpton, and others like him, have been called racist by numerous talking heads on TV and radio, editorialists, bloggers, members of internet forums and the guy at the water cooler.

Re the original post of this thread... media came out with a correction. The number of party-goers near the incident was closer to 300 than 3000. And, with the exception of the few who beat the man to death, none of the partiers were actually involved.

Another case of an over-zealous media trying to make a bad story sound even worse.

Y'all made some interesting comments about racism. I've never considered myself a racist. I live and work in an integrated environment (mainly blacks, browns, whites). However, I do believe in SEPARATE, BUT EQUAL when it comes to things like schools, churches, nightclubs, etc. Not so much that people of various races shouldn't be allowed into those type of institutions. No one should ever be barred because of race. However, in my experience, there are certain aspects of society where people feel more comfortable with their own race. Although I wouldn't hesitate to visit a black church (and have several times), it's not a place I feel 100% at home. And I wouldn't expect a black person to feel 100% at home in an all-white church either. Same with nightclubs. I live in a 'dry' area (a bible-belt thing) where private clubs are the only 'nightspots' around. There are black clubs, hispanic clubs, white clubs. Any race is welcome to visit any club, but the 'regs' are nearly always comprised of only one race.

Let's face it. Forcing everyone to embrace other cultures is not only difficult, it's usually futile. We can respect each other without trying to BE each other.

:)
SMW

P.S. Reminds me of an old joke.

Bus driver was sick of hearing so much arguing among the races on his bus, so he stopped the vehicle, made everyone get out and line up against the bus.

"Alright now. I'm sick of all this racial bickering and it must stop! From now on... you're all GREEN!!!!"

"OK, everybody back on the bus. All you dark green ones in the back, light green ones in the front."

P.S. Reminds me of an old joke.

Bus driver was sick of hearing so much arguing among the races on his bus, so he stopped the vehicle, made everyone get out and line up against the bus.

"Alright now. I'm sick of all this racial bickering and it must stop! From now on... you're all GREEN!!!!"

"OK, everybody back on the bus. All you dark green ones in the back, light green ones in the front."
:D

Nah, people here dont wear hankys on they're head,sorry.

They're called ... [ Babushka ] you infernal knucklebrain.
It's a rather European,Piously peasant thingy.

Major media outlets aren't the only source of human opinion. Sharpton, and others like him, have been called racist by numerous talking heads on TV and radio, editorialists, bloggers, members of internet forums and the guy at the water cooler.

I think yer Lyin like a wet log a gopher just peed on.
I want ONE quote or source where a well known talking head
called Sharpton a Racist.
With the exception of IMUS After Sharpton DEMANDED he be fired.

Jester,

Yes there are other outlets and others have called both Sharpton and Jackson racists. I think Foolworthy is saying, no main stream media outlet has done so even though such outlets have not hesitated in calling others racists.

Both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racists and in fact make their livings based on their racism yet they both seem immune from being labeled as such by the main stream media.

Jester,

Yes there are other outlets and others have called both Sharpton and Jackson racists. I think Foolworthy is saying, no main stream media outlet has done so even though such outlets have not hesitated in calling others racists.

Both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racists and in fact make their livings based on their racism yet they both seem immune from being labeled as such by the main stream media.
Bingo.

I think yer Lyin like a wet log a gopher just peed on.
I want ONE quote or source where a well known talking head
called Sharpton a Racist.
With the exception of IMUS After Sharpton DEMANDED he be fired.
Unfortunately, I don't keep recordings or transcripts of radio and TV shows. However, I seriously doubt that Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter or others have never called him a racist, or something else to that effect.

Unfortunately, I don't keep recordings or transcripts of radio and TV shows. However, I seriously doubt that Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter or others have never called him a racist, or something else to that effect.

BUTTS,You didn't say .. " I seriously doubt " .
Therein LIES the problem.
You infernal Lyin Liberals pull this shit ALL the time.
That's why few Democrats are willing to go on Fox News.
Fox will ask the tough questions and use quotes.
Kinda like ...- Meet the Press --.
Little Miss Muffit Katie Courac seldom did.Unless it was a
partisan attack against her favorite targetted Repuiblican.
This Country has HAD IT, with You Lyin,cheatin Liberals.
That's why Air America can't get off the ground.
It's a Fat Ass Stork,loaded to the gills with pregnant
little liberals.

BUTTS,You didn't say .. " I seriously doubt " .

You're right, I didn't say "I seriously doubt." That's because I know I've heard it but cannot, without considerable effort, find a specific quote or a specific person to attribute it to. I therefore named some people that are very likely to have said it, but did not assert so with absolute certainty due to a lack of verifiable evidence. Hence, my use of the phrase "I seriously doubt."

Therein LIES the problem.
You infernal Lyin Liberals pull this shit ALL the time.
That's why few Democrats are willing to go on Fox News.
Fox will ask the tough questions and use quotes.
Kinda like ...- Meet the Press --.
Little Miss Muffit Katie Courac seldom did.Unless it was a
partisan attack against her favorite targetted Repuiblican.
This Country has HAD IT, with You Lyin,cheatin Liberals.
That's why Air America can't get off the ground.
It's a Fat Ass Stork,loaded to the gills with pregnant
little liberals.I thought of three ways to respond to this:
1. Give a serious response to your accusations and explain why you're wrong in that regard.
2. Give a nasty response involving name-calling and four-letter words.
3. Simply dismiss it as an idiotic tirade by an intellectually-challenged dittohead slipping into senility.

I think I'll go with #3.

Yet we constantly hear Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and many others being called racist, both publicly and privately.
Just who benefits from this? There are many who benefit from keeping whitey as the only racists around.The two you just mentioned being first and foremost.