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funindependent
06-09-2007, 02:27 AM
History of Taoism:
Tao (pronounced "Dow") can be roughly translated into English as path, or the way. It is basically indefinable. It has to be experienced. It "refers to a power which envelops, surrounds and flows through all things, living and non-living. The Tao regulates natural processes and nourishes balance in the Universe. It embodies the harmony of opposites (i.e. there would be no love without hate, no light without dark, no male without female.)" 2

The founder of Taoism is believed by many to be Lao-Tse (604-531 BCE), a contemporary of Confucius. (Alternative spellings: Lao Tze, Lao Tsu, Lao Tzu, Laozi, Laotze, etc.). He was searching for a way that would avoid the constant feudal warfare and other conflicts that disrupted society during his lifetime. The result was his book: Tao-te-Ching (a.k.a. Daodejing). Others believe that he is a mythical character.

Taoism started as a combination of psychology and philosophy but evolved into a religious faith in 440 CE when it was adopted as a state religion. At that time Lao-Tse became popularly venerated as a deity. Taoism, along with Buddhism and Confucianism, became one of the three great religions of China. With the end of the Ch'ing Dynasty in 1911, state support for Taoism ended. Much of the Taoist heritage was destroyed during the next period of warlordism. After the Communist victory in 1949, religious freedom was severely restricted. "The new government put monks to manual labor, confiscated temples, and plundered treasures. Several million monks were reduced to fewer than 50,000" by 1960. 3 During the cultural revolution in China from 1966 to 1976, much of the remaining Taoist heritage was destroyed. Some religious tolerance has been restored under Deng Xiao-ping from 1982 to the present time.

Taoism currently has about 20 million followers, and is primarily centered in Taiwan. About 30,000 Taoists live in North America; 1,720 in Canada (1991 census). Taoism has had a significant impact on North American culture in areas of "acupuncture, herbalism, holistic medicine, meditation and martial arts..." 3

Taoist concepts, beliefs and practices:
Tao is the first-cause of the universe. It is a force that flows through all life.
"The Tao surrounds everyone and therefore everyone must listen to find enlightenment." 4
Each believer's goal is to harmonize themselves with the Tao.
Taoism has provided an alternative to the Confucian tradition in China. The two traditions have coexisted in the country, region, and generally within the same individual.
The priesthood views the many gods as manifestations of the one Dao, "which could not be represented as an image or a particular thing." The concept of a personified deity is foreign to them, as is the concept of the creation of the universe. Thus, they do not pray as Christians do; there is no God to hear the prayers or to act upon them. They seek answers to life's problems through inner meditation and outer observation.
In contrast with the beliefs and practices of the priesthood, most of the laity have "believed that spirits pervaded nature...The gods in heaven acted like and were treated like the officials in the world of men; worshipping the gods was a kind of rehearsal of attitudes toward secular authorities. On the other hand, the demons and ghosts of hell acted like and were treated like the bullies, outlaws, and threatening strangers in the real world; they were bribed by the people and were ritually arrested by the martial forces of the spirit officials." 3
Time is cyclical, not linear as in Western thinking.
Taoists strongly promote health and vitality.
Five main organs and orifices of the body correspond to the five parts of the sky: water, fire, wood, metal and earth.
Each person must nurture the Ch'i (air, breath) that has been given to them.
Development of virtue is one's chief task. The Three Jewels to be sought are compassion, moderation and humility.
Taoists follow the art of "wu wei," which is to let nature take its course. For example, one should allow a river to flow towards the sea unimpeded; do not erect a dam which would interfere with its natural flow.
One should plan in advance and consider carefully each action before making it.
A Taoists is kind to other individuals, in part because such an action tends to be reciprocated.
Taoists believe that "people are compassionate by nature...left to their own devices [they] will show this compassion without expecting a reward." 5

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Read more here about the ying yang simple of balance.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/taoism.htm

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BCE means before Christ or BC. It has been changed to before common era.

Many people claim that ethics and morals came into being because of Jesus but clearly other civilizations developed civil relations before Jesus came along.

My question is are there other religions such as Taoism that show morals and values? What do you think of them?

Do you think that the world would be just as ethical today if you call today "ethical" if there was no Jesus? Do you think we would have found other ways to be a good society?

My answer is yes. I think if Buddhism or Taoism was the major religions these days we would be just as ethical as the Christians are.

No better no worse.

mikezila
06-09-2007, 02:59 AM
History of Taoism:
Tao (pronounced "Dow") can be roughly translated into English as path, or the way. It is basically indefinable. It has to be experienced. It "refers to a power which envelops, surrounds and flows through all things, living and non-living. The Tao regulates natural processes and nourishes balance in the Universe. It embodies the harmony of opposites (i.e. there would be no love without hate, no light without dark, no male without female.)" 2

The founder of Taoism is believed by many to be Lao-Tse (604-531 BCE), a contemporary of Confucius. (Alternative spellings: Lao Tze, Lao Tsu, Lao Tzu, Laozi, Laotze, etc.). He was searching for a way that would avoid the constant feudal warfare and other conflicts that disrupted society during his lifetime. The result was his book: Tao-te-Ching (a.k.a. Daodejing). Others believe that he is a mythical character.

Taoism started as a combination of psychology and philosophy but evolved into a religious faith in 440 CE when it was adopted as a state religion. At that time Lao-Tse became popularly venerated as a deity. Taoism, along with Buddhism and Confucianism, became one of the three great religions of China. With the end of the Ch'ing Dynasty in 1911, state support for Taoism ended. Much of the Taoist heritage was destroyed during the next period of warlordism. After the Communist victory in 1949, religious freedom was severely restricted. "The new government put monks to manual labor, confiscated temples, and plundered treasures. Several million monks were reduced to fewer than 50,000" by 1960. 3 During the cultural revolution in China from 1966 to 1976, much of the remaining Taoist heritage was destroyed. Some religious tolerance has been restored under Deng Xiao-ping from 1982 to the present time.

Taoism currently has about 20 million followers, and is primarily centered in Taiwan. About 30,000 Taoists live in North America; 1,720 in Canada (1991 census). Taoism has had a significant impact on North American culture in areas of "acupuncture, herbalism, holistic medicine, meditation and martial arts..." 3

Taoist concepts, beliefs and practices:
Tao is the first-cause of the universe. It is a force that flows through all life.
"The Tao surrounds everyone and therefore everyone must listen to find enlightenment." 4
Each believer's goal is to harmonize themselves with the Tao.
Taoism has provided an alternative to the Confucian tradition in China. The two traditions have coexisted in the country, region, and generally within the same individual.
The priesthood views the many gods as manifestations of the one Dao, "which could not be represented as an image or a particular thing." The concept of a personified deity is foreign to them, as is the concept of the creation of the universe. Thus, they do not pray as Christians do; there is no God to hear the prayers or to act upon them. They seek answers to life's problems through inner meditation and outer observation.
In contrast with the beliefs and practices of the priesthood, most of the laity have "believed that spirits pervaded nature...The gods in heaven acted like and were treated like the officials in the world of men; worshipping the gods was a kind of rehearsal of attitudes toward secular authorities. On the other hand, the demons and ghosts of hell acted like and were treated like the bullies, outlaws, and threatening strangers in the real world; they were bribed by the people and were ritually arrested by the martial forces of the spirit officials." 3
Time is cyclical, not linear as in Western thinking.
Taoists strongly promote health and vitality.
Five main organs and orifices of the body correspond to the five parts of the sky: water, fire, wood, metal and earth.
Each person must nurture the Ch'i (air, breath) that has been given to them.
Development of virtue is one's chief task. The Three Jewels to be sought are compassion, moderation and humility.
Taoists follow the art of "wu wei," which is to let nature take its course. For example, one should allow a river to flow towards the sea unimpeded; do not erect a dam which would interfere with its natural flow.
One should plan in advance and consider carefully each action before making it.
A Taoists is kind to other individuals, in part because such an action tends to be reciprocated.
Taoists believe that "people are compassionate by nature...left to their own devices [they] will show this compassion without expecting a reward." 5

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read more here about the ying yang simple of balance.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/taoism.htm

__________________________________________________ ______________

BCE means before Christ or BC. It has been changed to before common era.

Many people claim that ethics and morals came into being because of Jesus but clearly other civilizations developed civil relations before Jesus came along.

My question is are there other religions such as Taoism that show morals and values? What do you think of them?

Do you think that the world would be just as ethical today if you call today "ethical" if there was no Jesus? Do you think we would have found other ways to be a good society?

My answer is yes. I think if Buddhism or Taoism was the major religions these days we would be just as ethical as the Christians are.

No better no worse.
yeah, yeah, yeah...things happen in patterns, and what comes around, goes around...ppl being ethical aren't the problem, it's the ones that aren't.

BTW-you can try to shove all the Newspeak down or throats that you want, but war is still war, and the years are still Annio Domino....take it up with Aloysius Lilius.

BCE means before Christ or BC. It has been changed to before common era.

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm pretty sure no one thinks that the world is measurably "more ethical" because of Jesus. Anyone with a mind would know that some other religion would've sprung up as the most popular. How about Judaism? You know, the source of the ten commandments and all...

mikezila
06-09-2007, 11:47 AM
I'm pretty sure no one thinks that the world is measurably "more ethical" because of Jesus. Anyone with a mind would know that some other religion would've sprung up as the most popular. How about Judaism? You know, the source of the ten commandments and all...
don't get me wrong, there's a lot of drama in the OT, but it's just not as engrossing as the Christmas story, or the Passion & Resurrection...not to mention the Revelation of John.

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 12:32 PM
don't get me wrong, there's a lot of drama in the OT, but it's just not as engrossing as the Christmas story, or the Passion & Resurrection...not to mention the Revelation of John.
I'm not very familiar with the New Testament at all, but you don't think that there's a chance Judaism would've become a more dominant religion if Christianity hadn't come around? Or what if St. Paul never existed and Christianity never broke with Judaism but remained a Jewish sect? It probably would've died out by now but I think it would've helped Judaism gain more momentum in converting followers.

OldPhart
06-09-2007, 12:37 PM
Judaism was not very open to gentile converts... Christianity embraced the gentiles and the Jews, therefore more conversions and growth.

Of course the Pauline Christians had NO use for the Gnostic Christians, and pursued their demise with vigor.

funindependent
06-09-2007, 12:46 PM
"BTW-you can try to shove all the Newspeak down or throats that you want, but war is still war, and the years are still Annio Domino....take it up with Aloysius Lilius."

Please clarify. Why war are you talking about?

No, the years are not longer Annio Domino or meaning after Death of Christ. it has now been changed by the Historians as C.E not A.D. In all more modern text we are not placing Jesus as the central focus of time line.

Before Christ or B.C .It has been changed to B.C.E. or Before the Common Era because not all people acknowlege Christ around the world.

If you are using the outdated term younger people will not understand it because B.C.E is now what is being taught to our children in school not B.C.

I am sorry if you have a problem with that. Talk to the scholars and educational people who write books now with historical time lines.

"The term "CE" is preferred by academics in some fields (e.g., by the American Anthropological Association).[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

They are using common era because this era is christianity meaning this era will not last forever and other eras will soon come into existance.
They are forseeing that the common era or Christian era will not be here forever.

and has history as shown that is a great possibilty since many eras have come and gone before Christ came along.

as for shoving anything down anyones throat. I did not know that someone was forcing you to read my thread.

My thread is not any more "forcing down" anyone thread than the "bible" thread.

It is merely to expand ones minds to other possiblities.

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Actually in all of my history textbooks they have both methods of denoting time, the old ones in parentheses after the new ones.

BorgHunter
06-09-2007, 03:33 PM
Actually in all of my history textbooks they have both methods of denoting time, the old ones in parentheses after the new ones.
Why? That's stupid. Either way adequately describes what year you're talking about. Pick one, textbook publisher, and stick with it!

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 03:51 PM
Why? That's stupid. Either way adequately describes what year you're talking about. Pick one, textbook publisher, and stick with it!
Because some people were taught one way and some were taught another way. So just to clear up confusion.

funindependent
06-09-2007, 03:53 PM
It is a transition they will be phasing out B.C and A.D. It is just a matter of time.

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 03:59 PM
It is a transition they will be phasing out B.C and A.D. It is just a matter of time.
I just don't understand why it's a big huge issue.

funindependent
06-09-2007, 04:07 PM
I didn't make it big issue. Mikezila did..

I accept the new form without a problem. I don't understand why people are trying to hold to and out dated system of thinking.

BorgHunter
06-09-2007, 04:27 PM
I didn't make it big issue. Mikezila did..

I accept the new form without a problem. I don't understand why people are trying to hold to and out dated system of thinking.
How is the CE/BCE system any less outdated than AD/BC? It's the same system.

DarkFantasy96
06-09-2007, 05:20 PM
I accept the new form without a problem. I don't understand why people are trying to hold to and out dated system of thinking.
All it is is a different name for the same system. And Jesus wasn't even born in the year 0 anyways.

Nighthawk
06-12-2007, 01:15 PM
Theraveda Buddhism which is mainly a philosophy of ethics and is devoid of stupid gods would also fit into your topic.

DarkFantasy96
06-12-2007, 05:12 PM
Perhaps you'd care to not refer to other people's genuine beliefs as "stupid"?

Nighthawk
06-13-2007, 09:47 AM
Uh, read the post carefully. I didn't say people's beliefs are stupid, tho' quite a few beliefs out there could only be held by a person with an IQ of 23....I refered to the gods or God as stupid! So it's up to the gods or God to punish my sacrilege if they can! Belief in God is not necessarily a stupid belief, depending on the type of God you believe in and the reasons for believing.

If you believe that the creator of the Universe through some godawful coincidence just happens to be the pathetic, hostile, jealous murderous, tyrannical anthropomorphic tribal deity of the ancient Israelites then you are indeed wanting a little common sense and in need of a lobotomy.

Yes, at one time it wasn't necessarily stupid to believe the world was flat or to believe in just such a deity. Now it is. There is no excuse whatsoever to continue to peddle such a god.

Travh20
06-13-2007, 10:14 AM
How about Judaism? You know, the source of the ten commandments and all...

whoa! I thought the ten commandments displayed in courthouses and such forced everyone to believe that the lord Jesus Christ was our one and only savior? What is this about judaism?

DarkFantasy96
06-13-2007, 05:01 PM
lol Trav. I get your point and I agree.