This is a very interesting topic that was bought to my attention from a very close collegue of mines. Me myself, I neither agree nor disgree with any of the contents of this article, and I am in no way making an attempt to make any kind of statement here, I just want you opinion on this. Please read this entire article VERY CAREFULLY and tell us what you think of it :)


Why White Men Prefer Asian Women
By
Fred Reed





There is near me an Asian sushi-beer-and-dinner establishment that I´ll call the Asia Spot. The region is urban, so the clientele is a mix of some of just about everything, but the waitresses are all Asian, principally Japanese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Thai. The Spot is a neighborhood bar. A large after-work crowd, many of them regulars, gather at happy hour. The social dynamics are curious. It would be an exaggeration to say, as someone did, that the black guys come to pick up white women, and the white men come to get away from them – but it would be an exaggeration of an underlying truth. The waitresses are a large part of the Spot´s appeal.

A common subject of conversation among male customers is how very attractive these women are when compared to American women. It is not a thought safe to utter in mixed company. It is a very common thought. American women know it.

Why are the Asians attractive? What, to huge numbers of men, makes almost any Asian more appealing than almost any American? The question is much discussed by men at the Spot. (I should say here that when I say “women,” I mean the majority of women, the mainstream, the center of gravity. Yes, there are exceptions and degrees.)

American women of my acquaintance offer several explanations, all of them wrong. For example, they say that Asian women are sexually easy. No. American women are sexually easy. The waitresses at the Spot are not available. They date, but they cannot be picked up.

Another explanation popular among American women is that men want submissive women, which Asians are believed to be. Again, no. For one thing, submissive people are bland and boring. In any event the waitresses aren´t submissive. Many compete successfully in tough professions. Among Asian waitresses I know I count an electrical engineer who does wide-area networks, and a woman with a masters in biochemistry who, upon finding that research required a Ph.D and didn´t pay, went back to school and became a dentist. Both of these wait tables to help out in the family restaurant.

At the Spot I know a woman waitressing her way through a degree in computer security, a bright Japanese college graduate making a career in the restaurant business, and the manager of the Spot – not a light-weight job. Submissiveness has nothing to do with their attractiveness.

Why, then, are they so very appealing?

To begin with, look at the American women in the Spot. Perhaps a third of them are stylishly dressed. The rest of the gringas run from undistinguished to dumpster-casual: baggy jeans, oversize shirts -- often male shirts -- with the tails out. They seem to affect a sort of homeless chic, actually to want to look bad, and do it with more than a touch of androgyny. A high proportion are at least somewhat overweight. (So are the men, but that´s another subject.) The Asians, without exception, are sleek, well-groomed, and dressed with an understated sexiness that never pushes trashy.

Further, the Asians are what were once called “ladies,” a thought repellant to feminists but very so refreshing to men. Listen to the American women at neighboring tables, and you will frequently hear phrases like, “He´s a f---ing piece of shit.” In what appears to be a determined attempt to be men, they have adopted the mode of discourse of a male locker room and made it their normal language. The Asians, classier, better students of men, do not have foul mouths. They presumably know about body parts and bathroom functions, but do not believe that a woman raises her stature by referring to them constantly in mixed company.

Men at the Spot, I have noticed, instantly understand that colloquial commentary is not wanted, and don´t engage in it: In the presence of the civilized, men adopt the standards of civilization. Men also tend to think of women as women think of themselves. The Asians, without displaying vanity, clearly think well of themselves. And ought to.

All in all, they give the impression that they do not want to be one of the guys. They want to be one of the girls. Here we come to the core of their appeal. Let me elaborate.

The default position of American women is what men refer to as “the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men and a shaky sense of sexual identity. The result is a touchiness reminiscent of hungover ferrets. There is a bandsaw edge to them, a watching for any slight so that they can show that they aren´t going to take it. They are poised to lash out in aggressive defense of their manhood.

As best as I can tell, they don´t like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.

The Asians at the Spot show every indication that they do like being women. They do not seem to have anything to prove. Being happy with what they are allows them to be comfortable with what they are not – men. They are not competing to be what they can´t be with people who can´t be anything else. They don´t have to establish their masculinity because they don´t want it. They do not assume, as American women tend to, that femaleness is a diseased condition to be treated by male clothes, gutter language, and bad temper.

I´ve spent many dozens of hours chatting with the gals at the Spot, and never seen a sign of the chip. For a man, the experience is wonderful beyond description – smart, pretty, classy women, who are women, and are not the enemy. As long as American women carry the chip, the Asian gals will eat them alive in the dating market.

Note that the espousal of hostile obnoxiousness as a guiding philosophy appears to be an almost uniquely American horror. It certainly isn´t requisite to independence or self-respect. I recently met a quite attractive blonde who, among other things, was smart, a long-haul motorcyclist, a student of the martial arts out of sheer athletic enjoyment of it, and an excellent marksman. She was also heterosexual, feminine, delightful company, and had no trace of “the chip.” I was astonished. How was this possible, I wondered?

She was Canadian.




link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/555526/posts

Here is another article I managed to dig up to counter the first one called
"Asian American women who hate Asian men"

This topic has come up a few times before, but I was thinking about this the other night after AM empowerment mentioned this phenomenon. He mentioned there are lots of Asian American girls who actually refuse to date Asian American guys. I’ve heard the hypothesis that they are just trying to marry ‘UP’, and attain approval in the US by marrying into a white or non-Asian family. But, I don’t think this is the case, because these girls he mentioned actually HATE Asian guys, and REFUSE to date them. It just doesn’t make any sense to abandon your race just to get ahead. You can marry non-Asian, but still have a good relationship with your Asian American family and friends, you know? So, what gives?

I don’t think that it has to do with being ridiculed by non-Asians growing up, either. Because, if anything, that would make you closer to your family. They would provide the support and comfort at home while you’re battling the outside world. And, most Asians who are ridiculed react by standing up for their heritage. You usually resent the source of the pain, and that would be the racists saying all these things. So, I rule this out as a logical reason.

I’m no expert, and I’m hypothesizing, so I may be completely wrong. But I think that these girls who hate Asian guys must’ve had major issues at home. I am guessing that their fathers were abusive, violent, or unfaithful men. These girls were either abused directly, or their mothers were abused physically or emotionally. They grew up hating their dads, and avoided anyone who reminded them of him as a result. In other words, us. They associated all that pain and abuse with Asian men, and to a certain extent, Asian culture. So, they start acting more white so they can get with non-Asian men, and eventually marry out. Maybe these are the girls spreading rumors that Asian men are abusive. I don’t doubt that it’s true though. Being raised in traditional chauvinistic Asian societies, I bet a lot of men take liberties and beat their wives when they get frustrated.

The reason I thought about this is because I know a guy who was abused by his mom as a kid. Now, he’s a guy, but he still really resents his mom, and he has an odd identity crisis where he isn’t proud of his Korean heritage. He likes it when people think he’s Japanese, which is odd, don’t you think? I’ve heard him diss Korean culture, and he picked up Japanese even though he can’t speak Korean well. He’s gets depressed and lonely, and he doesn’t get along with native Koreans that well. He hasn’t completely rejected his culture, but he seems to get along with non-Korean girls better. He rarely talks to his family, and IMO, he has lots of hangups. It all makes sense to me. Reading on therapy and psychology, almost everyone’s hangups come from upbringing, and how they react to it with their personality.

So, I think these girls are victims more than they are haters, and they need some help to figure out their issues. If you ask them, they probably won’t mention they were abused, but will give you all these lame reasons why they hate Asian men: short, small penis, not sexy, etc… The real reason is probably that we remind them too much of their dads. I think it requires a truly traumatic experience to hate your own. Again, this is just a hypothesis, and I’m not a psychologist.


See the rest here: http://singleasianmale.com/?p=298

maybe it is because they are cute as hell. and stay that way for a long time.

but it is all a generalization.

in my area the majority of the women are one of two types. fat and try to dress in tight clothes and don't realize just how ridiculous thay look. or they dress androgynously. whether fat or skinny. there are very few women who actually look good in a pair of jeans.

Everytime I hear of this subject, it always reminds me of a couple who used to live next door to me. He was an ex-Marine, she was a cute Asian woman he met and married overseas. They had two little boys and she was a stay-at-home mom. Seemed like the perfect couple... until she began to become 'Americanized' and started questioning her subserviant role in their marriage. Many LOUD arguments came from their place after that and it wasn't too long before she divorced him and moved on to greener pastures with a man who treated her more like an equal.

I always figured the moral to their story was -- Asian women know how to put on a good act to get what they want. Once they have it, they're not afraid to move on to the next level.

One thing is for sure... Asian women, as a whole, are a very intelligent bunch. American men, on the other hand... well, let's just say a large majority of them think with body parts other than their brains.

:)
SMW

Asian women ARE more subservient that American women. Thats a cultural difference. Asian women here, for the most part, like us American guys. I think it's because we treat them better than our Asian counterparts. Not saying all Asian guys are assholes or anything, most of them are pretty cool actually. But in a marriage in this part of the world, the woman most definently stays home and minds the house and kids, pretty much with no questions asked.

sometimes i wonder if the greed factor of asian women is different than american women.

a lot of american women will have nothing to do with a man who doesn't have much money.

LOL at this statement:

a lot of american women will have nothing to do with a man who doesn't have much money.

Sure wish I'd been one of those -- seems I always fall for the one's who 'need help' or 'have potential' or... well, you catch my drift.

Actually, now that you bring it up, can't really see Asian women falling for an American man who has nothing material to offer them... like citizenship, a nice home, etc.

Maybe that's more an international trait women share!

:)
SMW

The men can have the asian woman. LOL.

More white woman for me ;)

The average white man lives mostly among other white people which affords him great exposure to average looking people.
Seeing fewer average asians, one is more likely to think they are all Lucy Liu.

As best as I can tell, they donīt like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.
Oh really.

I think it is funny now re-reading the articles. I think men have ego issues. They think woman should dress up for them, be thin for them and stroke their egos so they can feel more "manly" Like we are here for their entertainment and pleasure.
Seems to have problems with American woman gaining independents and such.

I always found it funny when woman become lebsians and men try to turn us straight with their manhoods. As if their magical penis can be so AWSOME and POWERFUL that us lesbians can be just switched straight by their massive masculinity.

the penis is highly over rated.

What I got from the first article was just women being ladies and enjoying being treated as such. My dad raised his three daughters to behave like ladies and allow gentlemen to be gentlemen. There is a difference in cultures, for sure, but where I'm from it's perfectly fine to be independent, yet a lady. I appreciate a gentleman and I appreciate women who behave like ladies. Those are things that are severely lacking in American society these days.

~deposits .02~

:)
Kimi

the penis is highly over rated.
i don't know about that, i'm really fond of mine.:lolhit:

i don't know about that, i'm really fond of mine.:lolhit:

:lolhit:

And well you should be, Mikey!

I think it is funny now re-reading the articles. I think men have ego issues. They think woman should dress up for them, be thin for them and stroke their egos so they can feel more "manly" Like we are here for their entertainment and pleasure.
Seems to have problems with American woman gaining independents and such.

I always found it funny when woman become lebsians and men try to turn us straight with their manhoods. As if their magical penis can be so AWSOME and POWERFUL that us lesbians can be just switched straight by their massive masculinity.

the penis is highly over rated.



BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! i wouldn't touch a lesbian with a ten foot pole. the idea is useless. like trying to get a dead person to walk. besides, the majority of lesbians i've seen and met are , well, rather physically disgusting, act like guys, and dress like them. no thanks.

that's another reason why i don't like androgynous women. please lady, make up your mind. male or female. a woman doesn't have to "dress up" for me, just as long as she resembles a female no matter what she wears. (although i find most women look horrible in jeans, and my favorite look for a woman is the summertime wispy hippie dress with no panties on, WOW) and the idea she has to stay thin is her problem, not mine. i don't find fat n saggy women attractive at all. and if a woman wants me to find her sexually attractive so i will want to have sex with her, she should try to keep the fat n saggy at bay. it is just good health sense in the long run.


i don't need a woman to stroke my ego. but of course i learned to be a loner for a very long time. and if women don't like my attitude or point of view, there is always porn and my hand.

I think it is funny now re-reading the articles. I think men have ego issues. They think woman should dress up for them, be thin for them and stroke their egos so they can feel more "manly" Like we are here for their entertainment and pleasure.
Seems to have problems with American woman gaining independents and such.

I always found it funny when woman become lebsians and men try to turn us straight with their manhoods. As if their magical penis can be so AWSOME and POWERFUL that us lesbians can be just switched straight by their massive masculinity.

the penis is highly over rated.
Oh man... and she thought I needed Dale Carnegie.

:O
SMW

1. I always found it funny when woman become lebsians and men try to turn us straight with their manhoods.
2. the penis is highly over rated.
1. Are we talking Portia di Rossi or Rosie O'Donnell type lesbian?

2. No, but sometimes too much is expected of it.

1. Are we talking Portia di Rossi or Rosie O'Donnell type lesbian?

2. No, but sometimes too much is expected of it.


:lolhit:

I didn't really like that first article. I am a young American woman and I don't think I'm anything like that description...

I think a big part of the appeal of Asian women is that they are exotic to most white American men. Most of the women around are white, black, or Hispanic. Asians are the smallest minority besides Native Americans if I'm correct.

The default position of American women is what men refer to as “the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men ......There is a bandsaw edge to them.......They are poised to lash out.......As best as I can tell, they don´t like being women.
I find that claim specious and unfounded.

To assert that American women in general "don't like themselves" is assinine; it sounds like a redneck conclusion that someone like Archie Bunker might put forward.

I personally do not find Asian features appealing in the least.....but for 5 years my son had a girlfriend from Japan and I got to know her very well, and she was a genuinely kind and caring and intelligent person; a "good person" in every sense of the word. I would have liked to see my son marry her. (side note; aesthetically , Lucy Liu --from my perspective-- is one of the least appealing persons alive; she is so uncomely as to appear to possibly be from another planet.)

1. Are we talking Portia di Rossi or Rosie O'Donnell type lesbian?

2. No, but sometimes too much is expected of it.


LOL

1.
a.More like Drew Barymore Lesbain. Although she is bi and I am totally not interested in guys no offense guys. They make good friends though.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=lesbianlife&cdn=people&tm=59&gps=173_745_1251_516&f=20&tt=11&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.usmagazine.com/drew_barrymore_2


2.
a. Yes I am sure many girls expect too much of the penis.

“the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men "

Wow I mean from a someone willing to post this kind of article. Why on earth would any woman be hostile to a man? LOL

You can sum this article up to one word. "submit"
and why would a woman be hostile to this or a man looking at her like a "great lay"

LOL

Why on earth would any woman be hostile to a man?

There are, no doubt, a certain (small) number of them who are a bit hostile toward the male.

But to suggest that American women in general possess that attribute is farfetched in the extreme.

agreed brother freethinker. There are always the extremes but American woman in general are not hostile to men for no real reason other than the chip on their shoulder.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4947/pissedasiantn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) :D

I always found it funny when woman become lebsians and men try to turn us straight with their manhoods. As if their magical penis can be so AWSOME and POWERFUL that us lesbians can be just switched straight by their massive masculinity.

the penis is highly over rated.

Well then. You've never met MY penis.
It's disarmingly small and inoffensive, and friendly in a non-threatening manner. Powerful only in the aesthetic sense that it is a thing of beauty.

Nonetheless, Mr. Wiener would turn your head on it's swivel, and perhap make you consider pitching for the other team. For a frantic ten minutes or so, anyway. Then you'd be free to resume all your other normal lesbian activities. Mr. Wiener is ok with that.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! i wouldn't touch a lesbian with a ten foot pole. the idea is useless. like trying to get a dead person to walk. besides, the majority of lesbians i've seen and met are , well, rather physically disgusting, act like guys, and dress like them. no thanks.

Ivan, you are showing your West Virginia roots.
That was a particularly unsophisticated and insensitive posting.
Please contact Mr. Wiener for advice when it comes to dealing with ladies from other cultures than the WV coal-mining community.

PS God love them; Those West Virginia coal-mining lesbians are among the most hard-working, responsible taxpayers I've ever met and hung around with. And they don't mind it if you make them breakfast and clean up the kitchen afterwards. Most progressive and open-minded, they are.

:eek:

Well then. You've never met MY penis.
It's disarmingly small and inoffensive, and friendly in a non-threatening manner. Powerful only in the aesthetic sense that it is a thing of beauty.

Nonetheless, Mr. Wiener would turn your head on it's swivel, and perhap make you consider pitching for the other team. For a frantic ten minutes or so, anyway. Then you'd be free to resume all your other normal lesbian activities. Mr. Wiener is ok with that.



Ivan, you are showing your West Virginia roots.
That was a particularly unsophisticated and insensitive posting.
Please contact Mr. Wiener for advice when it comes to dealing with ladies from other cultures than the WV coal-mining community.

PS God love them; Those West Virginia coal-mining lesbians are among the most hard-working, responsible taxpayers I've ever met and hung around with. And they don't mind it if you make them breakfast and clean up the kitchen afterwards. Most progressive and open-minded, they are.

:eek:

You are very funny and enlighting I really like you. :)

as for all lesbians are ugly and fat and wear men's clothing.
This is why so many porno sites are filled with hot lesbian action. Oh these lesbians are so unattractive that it is hard to explain the millions of hits on the sites LOL.

Won't post my favs because this is a debate site not sex site.

Wow. The author is an idiot.

1. the women are SERVING you. By definition a submissive state. Being qualified in other professions and education does not mean they are not submissive.
2. Their jobs depend on your good expirience of course they are going to be nice no matter what.
3. You don't hear asian woman talking shit about men because they speak another language.

What a moran...thats the quality you get from the FreeRepublic.

As if their magical penis can be so AWSOME and POWERFUL that us lesbians can be just switched straight by their massive masculinity. I converted a hot one. Didn't know she was (used to be) gay. Just thought she hung out with lots of dykes.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! i wouldn't touch a lesbian with a ten foot pole. You wish you had a ten foor pole to touch them with...

This is why so many porno sites are filled with hot lesbian action. Oh these lesbians are so unattractive that it is hard to explain the millions of hits on the sites LOL. yes...all lesbians have 1 inch nail extensions and long blonde hair...heh.

BWAHAHAHHA!!!!!!! when i meet a hot lesbian i'll let you know. although my statement has nothing to do with their personalities.

10 foot pole? no thanks. you can't get laid without being a porn star with a cock that big. i met a dude in germany once , in the army, depressed as hell. i asked, what's up. he was drunk enough to be honest. he said he couldn't get laid. i told him,man, this is germany, prostitution is LEGAL. he said, my dicks too big. they refuse me too.

i wash, clean up, take care of kids, and work, and even the straight women i know are a pain in the ass.

I like you too, funindependent.

You have a refreshing style.
(For a chick who is otherwise impervious to my charms and my raffish good looks.)

Have your people call my people; we'll do lunch.
:hula:

I don't buy the premise that white guys dig asian chicks the most ... at least not beyond a general sense.

WTF ??? speaking to all the white dudes ... go spend a summer in Scotland (like I did) and you'll fall in love a thousand times and then spend a summer in Barcelona (like I did) and you'll fall in love another thousand times and then spend a summer in France (like I did) and repeat above ... rinse and repeat for Denmark, Puerto Rico, and any country that starts with a letter between A-Z ....

Then spend 1968 in Viet Nam, deep in the Mekong/Bassac ... all the way to the Cambodian border ... let's say Chou Doc and watch a 14 year-old-girl man (woman?) a macine gun and take out a couple of your shipmates. After that could I still find asians the most attactive? Possibly but only if I really liked the person ... all predujices aside ... all fore-thoughts and all after-thoughs aside ... a blank mind, scrubbed of all past experiences and memories.

In a nutshell, the sexes attact on values that are not undrstood, not predictable and certainly not close enough to the surface for us to discuss on all-fourms. In fact, this is the lamest thread I've ever seen and it should be shut down -- immediately.

I could go on forever on this one but I'm gonna cut you some slack and shut up NOW .... 'sides, I have to make a trip to the corner for a 40.

I don't buy the premise that white guys dig asian chicks the most ... at least not beyond a general sense.

Then spend 1968 in Viet Nam, deep in the Mekong/Bassac ... all the way to the Cambodian border ... let's say Chou Doc and watch a 14 year-old-girl man (woman?) a macine gun and take out a couple of your shipmates. After that could I still find asians the most attactive? Possibly but only if I really liked the person ... all predujices aside ... all fore-thoughts and all after-thoughs aside ... a blank mind, scrubbed of all past experiences and memories.


I spent 28 months in Viet Nam, getting my ass shot up, 4 times. I have no animosity towards the Vietnamese, certainly none towards other Asians. If you do, I suggest laying off those 40's, your small mind is already pickled.

I spent 28 months in Viet Nam, getting my ass shot up, 4 times. I have no animosity towards the Vietnamese, certainly none towards other Asians. If you do, I suggest laying off those 40's, your small mind is already pickled.

For starters, I didn't say (or imply) I don't like asians because of VietNam -- you made that a(pre)ssumption -- not me.

I included that part in my post as food for thought no more -- no less.

I spent 24 months ... FWIW.

my small mind ??? chill out dude ... it's only a forum.

I
In a nutshell, the sexes attact on values that are not undrstood, not predictable and certainly not close enough to the surface for us to discuss on all-fourms. In fact, this is the lamest thread I've ever seen and it should be shut down -- immediately.

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no, don't shut it down.

people are attracted to each other when it comes to on sight, by chemical , sight, and such. all else comes later. if you want to be with them for a loooooong time.

i wasn't attracted to my wife when we met. but i got to know her. we clicked. things were fine until recently and then, nothing. we still love each other but sexually, there is nothing there.

i've tripped over myself over many women in my life. some i never got to know. some i did. those i did it turned out i wouldn't cross the street to piss on them if they were on fire.

at a local chinese restaurant, there is a young lady i can not even make eye contact with because i go all stoopit and can barely say "yes" to her question of if i want more tea to drink. who knows what she's like in real life.

this has happened to me by many non-asians. native ladies, whites, blacks, mex, whatever.

but i have learned form experience that no matter the race, that all women don't want anything to do with some guy with no money. if they do, they are desperate for SOME reason.

that's why i am not in the woods living in a brush hut right now. which is what i'd like to do.

For starters, I didn't say (or imply) I don't like asians because of VietNam -- you made that a(pre)ssumption -- not me.

I included that part in my post as food for thought no more -- no less.

I spent 24 months ... FWIW.

my small mind ??? chill out dude ... it's only a forum.


What part of "if you do" is so hard to understand.

What part of "if you do" is so hard to understand.

OK -- I will accept that with a post-it-note to myself that Gunny knows how to find the escape routes. PHEW ....

I guess I'm just not used to Nam vets taking it out on each other, for whatever reason. I always thought of that as sacred ground.

Oh well -- Maybe that's part of the new Neo-conservative paradigm ... I.E. swiftboating and such.

So ... for the lack of enthusasiam over your 28 months of getting your ass shot-off trumping whatever effort I donated to the vietnam campaign, I will duck out of the conversation and wish you the best.

Later

OK -- I will accept that with a post-it-note to myself that Gunny knows how to find the escape routes. PHEW ....

I guess I'm just not used to Nam vets taking it out on each other, for whatever reason. I always thought of that as sacred ground.

Oh well -- Maybe that's part of the new Neo-conservative paradigm ... I.E. swiftboating and such.

So ... for the lack of enthusasiam over your 28 months of getting your ass shot-off trumping whatever effort I donated to the vietnam campaign, I will duck out of the conversation and wish you the best.

Later

On these forums, with all these quasi-intellectuals, escape routes are a necessity. As for being a Nan vet, that does not excuse all the liberalism. It still sucks, even coming from a "vet".

Don't care if they are white, black, asian, russian, freaking british, indian, or eskimo. A woman is a woman, and if she looks at least decent, and is not totally stupid, then its on.

"that all women don't want anything to do with some guy with no money"

This is very untrue. My sister has a husband with a minimum wage job when they feel in love it was for love not money. She may be poor but she is happy. Not all woman think about bank accounts that is just plain wrong.

Also the women who do care about bank accounts, maybe if woman got the same wage as man and as many woman get high positions as men do they wouldn't need to rely on a mans bank account for security as well as this society treating women like they should be stay at home moms.

I admit there are some gold diggers out there but they are the skinny, high maintance woman you guys so much brag about every woman should act, dress and look like but then don't want to to spend the money to support their trophy wife habits.

Personally if one is so shallow to require that a women be a pefect wieght and height and wear fancy clothing to impress you friends you deserve to be used for your bank account.

Don't care if they are white, black, asian, russian, freaking british, indian, or eskimo. A woman is a woman, and if she looks at least decent, and is not totally stupid, then its on.
~sigh~ if i had a $1 for everywoman i walked away from becuase i wasn't willing to risk having stupid kids with if the rubber broke, i could fill up mah car:(

"that all women don't want anything to do with some guy with no money"

This is very untrue. My sister has a husband with a minimum wage job when they feel in love it was for love not money. She may be poor but she is happy. Not all woman think about bank accounts that is just plain wrong.

Also the women who do care about bank accounts, maybe if woman got the same wage as man and as many woman get high positions as men do they wouldn't need to rely on a mans bank account for security as well as this society treating women like they should be stay at home moms.

I admit there are some gold diggers out there but they are the skinny, high maintance woman you guys so much brag about every woman should act, dress and look like but then don't want to to spend the money to support their trophy wife habits.

Personally if one is so shallow to require that a women be a pefect wieght and height and wear fancy clothing to impress you friends you deserve to be used for your bank account.


guess what? i'm not coming from the angle of being a guy with a bank account having gold diggers after him. i'm the po' boy that the ladies want nothing to do with.

look at it like this. you have a married guy who is tired of his wife physically but still loves her and he wants to have a lover. the guys that get lovers on the side are the ones with money. and those trailer park heifers that do that sort of thing i wouldn't touch.

who said anything about "perfect"? no such thing.

i wash, clean up, take care of kids, and work, and even the straight women i know are a pain in the ass.
ivan dear, it's not so much that you don't like women (lesbian or straight) it's just more that you don't like the human species in general...

If you can't get laid it's because you can't fake that you like them long enough to get them into bed lately. You have to rethink your stance here dude. bahahaha.... yep I think I hit the nail on the head :D

Don't care if they are white, black, asian, russian, freaking british, indian, or eskimo. A woman is a woman, and if she looks at least decent, and is not totally stupid, then its on.

NOW THAT'S true, healthy, youth, speaking. :D
You go guy!

"that all women don't want anything to do with some guy with no money"

This is very untrue. My sister has a husband with a minimum wage job when they feel in love it was for love not money. She may be poor but she is happy. Not all woman think about bank accounts that is just plain wrong.

Also the women who do care about bank accounts, maybe if woman got the same wage as man and as many woman get high positions as men do they wouldn't need to rely on a mans bank account for security as well as this society treating women like they should be stay at home moms.

I admit there are some gold diggers out there but they are the skinny, high maintance woman you guys so much brag about every woman should act, dress and look like but then don't want to to spend the money to support their trophy wife habits.

Personally if one is so shallow to require that a women be a pefect wieght and height and wear fancy clothing to impress you friends you deserve to be used for your bank account.

yeah I hear ya... I worked my ass off and am careful with my money. I freaking DO care about his bank account and I ain't no gold digger. I can support myself just fine but I ain't supporting no loser guy. I am 50 years old. I don't want some beer guzzling pauper who is 50 or more with no house, no car, no cash and bills up the wazu and without a pot to piss in, to think he is gonna ride free for the rest of his lazy ass life.

ivan...just so you don't take offence here dude, I know you are a hard worker and a good guy and this in no way is a smack on you.

As for the trophy wife, yeah, some guys desire it. If you want it, you pay one way or another. And a woman who just wants a guy for the jag in the driveway of the 4 bedroomed house, she is gonna pay heavily too, one way or another.

Don't care if they are white, black, asian, russian, freaking british, indian, or eskimo. A woman is a woman, and if she looks at least decent, and is not totally stupid, then its on.

Now yer talking !!!

and I'd even cave a bit on the looking-decent part :D

I have heard that over in china and korea the guys treat their women like shit.. smacking them, beating them, yelling at them...

but just my two cents... I don't really dig asian chicks.. i'm all about blond, all-american, busty broads... LMAO.

The problem is, as has been mentioned, many american chicks pack on the pounds, so you have to weed those out LOL.

And to be honest... I prefer women who are just that, they are nice, respectful, playful.. and a DEMON in the sack LMAO. Many younger girls in america like to play the "ghetto card".. and that is soooo unattractive. Give me a daddy's girl who is smoking hot and doesn't fit in because she's nice.. and i'll show you a girl that has trouble walking in the morning.

I always heard that asian gals had tighter...well, you know.

Sadly, I haven't been able to test that theory out. :(

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The problem is, as has been mentioned, many american chicks pack on the pounds, so you have to weed those out LOL.

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it does seem to be a problem. have a couple of kids, and BAM, pooch out city. and then they wonder why their man doesn't want to boink them anymore.

ivan dear, it's not so much that you don't like women (lesbian or straight) it's just more that you don't like the human species in general...

If you can't get laid it's because you can't fake that you like them long enough to get them into bed lately. You have to rethink your stance here dude. bahahaha.... yep I think I hit the nail on the head :D


i didn't get my attitude overnight dear. when i was younger i was the nicest guy the ladies could meet. polite, nice, gentlemanly. but no money, no job, no car makes them snub you.

i lived for too long in 42 yrs, been halfway around the planet, all over america, and have seen the same thing over and over.

i'm still nice to the women. but i call a spade a spade when its a spade.

Wow, I've just noticed that we've seen a lot more of you lately ivan. It's nice when an occasional poster becomes a regular poster. :)

oh, i've got a little more access to a comp right now. it may stop soon. who knows?

oh, and DF, you need to lose 5 pounds? are you worried about 5 pounds? hell, i can go to a metallica concert and lose 10 pounds in the time it takes to be there.

I don't need to lose 5 pounds... Honestly I should probably gain 5 pounds. But I'm quite happy with where I am right now. :D

I can go to a China Buffet and gain 10 LOL

I'm the type that if I don't keep up on my exercise and cardio I balloon out pretty quick... luckily I've been keepin up on my stuff.

I dont "prefer" asain woman - but it is a life long dream of mine to bag one...maybe I'll get lucky when I go to China town.

oh, and DF, you need to lose 5 pounds? are you worried about 5 pounds? hell, i can go to a metallica concert and lose 10 pounds in the time it takes to be there.


I don't need to lose 5 pounds... Honestly I should probably gain 5 pounds. But I'm quite happy with where I am right now.

It was me whining about losing five lbs. I have been working crazy hours so I have not been working out. And when get stressed I am a dessert girl, I have gained 3. I am back to working out now for the last week so hopefully meeeeeeeeeeeeeelt.

I've scarfed about half a bag of potato chips so far tonight... Plus a cheeseburger Hot Pocket and a double chocolate cream filled brownie thingie.

I can only remember having sex with a asian woman just once in my life.
and believe me, it was TOTALLY AWSOME. If it wasn't good, I would'nt have remembered it ;)

:hula:

no mitch im telling to you to read peoples posts properly... and i have found that though white men do treat women with respect they dont nowhere near as much as other cultures... not just the black men... as fo you jimijaw im sure your stepdaughter learnt everything she knows from her mother... your wife... im sure you respect (hit) her all the time... expat even if women like black men for their d*cks what is the problem... we also choose partners for appearance height looks whichever and men will look for tits ass and hips to waist ratio... if thats what they want good for them... i dont see how it concerns you... im also sure that any woman that would marry you is after a free ride... whores they may be asian women arent stupid just like white girls... men like you are a dime a dozen..

but i have learned form experience that no matter the race, that all women don't want anything to do with some guy with no money. if they do, they are desperate for SOME reason.
That's the most insightful thing I think I've ever heard you say, Ivan. Cheers.
that's why i am not in the woods living in a brush hut right now. which is what i'd like to do.
There's a shocker....

guess what? i'm not coming from the angle of being a guy with a bank account having gold diggers after him. i'm the po' boy that the ladies want nothing to do with.
It might not (now do me a favor, and just entertain this revolutionary concept here...) have anything to do with the fact that you're destitute, but maybe....just maybe, it has to do with the fact that you're a hideous chud whose politically whacked perceptions make you utterly repulsive to even the least discerning of trailer-trash. I mean, with aspirations like "wanting to live in a brush hut nestled in the woods" - doublewides start to look pretty good to your average vagabond.

Just mull that one over for a bit, and, well, maybe you'll get a clearer picture of what's ailing your sex life.

they all feel the same in the dark

its the skills that vary

they all feel the same in the dark
Not the fat ones.

Not the fat ones.I can proudly say I wouldn't know anything about that. Asian women on the other hand... *evil grin*

I can proudly say I wouldn't know anything about that. Asian women on the other hand... *evil grin*
Okay, okay....I've had sex with a fat chick (although, not too fat; roughly 140 at 5'5") - but hey......we've all been drunk before - not that I make a regular habit of that, but let's face it - chunky women need lovin' too.

That said, odds have it that you'll wind up with an Asian woman...

I mean, after all, you're Indian. :)

Okay, okay....I've had sex with a fat chick (although, not too fat; roughly 140 at 5'5") - but hey......we've all been drunk before - not that I make a regular habit of that, but let's face it - chunky women need lovin' too.
Well I guess 140 at 5'5" isn't THAT bad. Hell, I might do that too if I was drunk enough.

That said, odds have it that you'll wind up with an Asian woman...

I mean, after all, you're Indian. :)I don't know, all the girls I've dated recently were either white or East Asian (Chinese and Korean to be exact). I don't know who I'll end up with; I just hope to cover all the races before I settle down. :D

I don't know, all the girls I've dated recently were either white or East Asian (Chinese and Korean to be exact). I don't know who I'll end up with; I just hope to cover all the races before I settle down. :D
No doubt, bro. I've seen MANY beautiful girls from just about every country there is (save a few), so I know what cha mean...

I've never had an Asian, myself.

No doubt, bro. I've seen MANY beautiful girls from just about every country there is (save a few), so I know what cha mean...

I've never had an Asian, myself.
I thought you could count the number of black women you've seen on your hands.

There are more than 10 African and Carribean nations.

I thought you could count the number of black women you've seen on your hands.
Beautiful ones, yes, and just so we're clear, I'm not talking about the Halle Berry's (1/2 black) or any other "mixture" of races for that matter (and they're incredibly rare, BTW).
There are more than 10 African and Carribean nations.
Admittedly, the blacks from Africa (and the Caribbean) are FAR prettier than the ones in America. The same can be said for white people in the states; they're FAR better looking in Europe - namely, for two reasons: 1) they're, typically speaking, not fat, and 2) their blood isn't sullied by other races. How many "beautiful" muts do you see at your local animal shelter? Case in point.

Actually mixed races can actually be the most beautiful people.

How many "beautiful" muts do you see at your local animal shelter? Case in point.
Dogs are always not beautiful regardless of their breed.

Actually mixed races can actually be the most beautiful people.
Can be? Yes. Are? Not often.

Can be? Yes. Are? Not often.
I don't think the percentage of mixed race people who are ugly is any higher than the percentage of "pure" people who are ugly.

I don't think the percentage of mixed race people who are ugly is any higher than the percentage of "pure" people who are ugly.
How can there be a percentage anyway? Beauty is subjective.

How can there be a percentage anyway? Beauty is subjective.
That's true, it is. More than that, it's cultural (or at least, for the most part, the perception of it is).

I don't think the percentage of mixed race people who are ugly is any higher than the percentage of "pure" people who are ugly.
I disagree. In Europe, the percentage of "beautiful" women (I know, beauty a subjective concept, but roll with me here) was simply staggering to me, to say the least.

France? Incredible.

The Netherlands? Incredible.

Belgium? Incredible.

Switzerland? Incredible.

Austria? Incredible.

Sweden? Need I say more?

Norway? Phenomenal.

Spain? Same thing.

Italy? Well above average.

What do most of these countries have in common (although I'll be willing to concede that times are changing)? That's right, babe....they're pureblooded.

I disagree. In Europe, the percentage of "beautiful" women (I know, beauty a subjective concept, but roll with me here) was simply staggering to me, to say the least.

France? Incredible.

The Netherlands? Incredible.

Belgium? Incredible.

Switzerland? Incredible.

Austria? Incredible.

Sweden? Need I say more?

Norway? Phenomenal.

Spain? Same thing.

Italy? Well above average.

What do most of these countries have in common (although I'll be willing to concede that times are changing)? That's right, babe....they're pureblooded.

Wow, how does that explain all the average at best people (men and women) in England and Ireland? I only saw two really attractive men in Ireland and one of them was actually from Hungary. As for the women, well, better than the men but most of them weren't really attractive.

And see I balanced out that British Isles thing by having the other half of my blood from Italy, France, and Sweden. :D

I disagree. In Europe, the percentage of "beautiful" women (I know, beauty a subjective concept, but roll with me here) was simply staggering to me, to say the least.

France? Incredible.

The Netherlands? Incredible.

Belgium? Incredible.

Switzerland? Incredible.

Austria? Incredible.

Sweden? Need I say more?

Norway? Phenomenal.

Spain? Same thing.

Italy? Well above average.

What do most of these countries have in common (although I'll be willing to concede that times are changing)? That's right, babe....they're pureblooded.

No area in Europe has never been "pureblooded". Wars, trade, and travel have always resulted in the mixing of genes. This has been going on as long as there have been people.

Wow, how does that explain all the average at best people (men and women) in England and Ireland? I only saw two really attractive men in Ireland and one of them was actually from Hungary. As for the women, well, better than the men but most of them weren't really attractive.

And see I balanced out that British Isles thing by having the other half of my blood from Italy, France, and Sweden. :D
Notice I didn't mention them. :)

I saw some pretty women in England (admittedly I've never been to Ireland or Scotland), but overwhelmingly, they were lackluster, at best. Pasty skin, freckles, small boobies, and bad teeth aren't really turn-ons in my opinion.

No area in Europe has never been "pureblooded". Wars, trade, and travel have always resulted in the mixing of genes. This has been going on as long as there have been people.
Sure, then by that logic, no pureblooded people exist today, period. Give me a break, Imagineer. You know what I'm trying to say; people that keep within a specific region (exampled here by the divide between the north-western and southern boundaries of Europe) have similar facial (and not to mention) physical features in general, hence, when mixed, their looks (for the most part, that is) compliment one another nicely. Mix a Mexican with a Chinaman and you'll probably wind up with a monster. Am I 100% certain? Of course, not, but if I were a betting man, I'd place a healthy wager on it.

Wow, how does that explain all the average at best people (men and women) in England and Ireland? I only saw two really attractive men in Ireland and one of them was actually from Hungary. As for the women, well, better than the men but most of them weren't really attractive.

And see I balanced out that British Isles thing by having the other half of my blood from Italy, France, and Sweden. :D

I'm considering that perhaps their masses (less than aristocrat) emigrated when they had the chance. The brightest, the risk takers, the best left. Brains and beauty do not always go together, but for the most part I think they are linked.

Sure, then by that logic, no pureblooded people exist today, period. Give me a break, Imagineer. You know what I'm trying to say; people that keep within a specific region (exampled here by the divide between the north-western and southern boundaries of Europe) have similar facial (and not to mention) physical features in general, hence, when mixed, their looks (for the most part, that is) compliment one another nicely. Mix a Mexican with a Chinaman and you'll probably wind up with a monster. Am I 100% certain? Of course, not, but if I were a betting man, I'd place a healthy wager on it.
Actually haven't you seen Hispanics with very Asian looking features? There's a surprising amount of Chinese blood in many South/Central American countries. Often I can't tell if someone is Asian or Hispanic. Then there's Philipinos but in general the women tend to be fat, which started as a cultural thing and is only now a genetic trait because the fat women were the only ones who got men in the past. I know a guy named JC (his full name is Juan Carlos Chang), who is half Mexican and half Chinese. He's actually pretty good looking except a little too Asian for me to be attracted to.

Anyways I think I look damn good, and I'm a mutt. So stfu. :D

Actually haven't you seen Hispanics with very Asian looking features?
You're totally right. That was a poor example. Now you see why I'm not a betting man. :D
Anyways I think I look damn good, and I'm a mutt. So stfu. :D
:) What are your nationalities again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you said you were Irish, German, Italian, and like, 1/16 Native American.

Oops...ON EDIT: I see that you're French and Swedish, as well.

I'm a mutt, too, but my entire bloodline can be traced back to the western/northern region of Europe. I'm roughly 50% German, 25% Norwegian, 12.5% English and 12.5% Irish. Oh, and I've been told (much to my dismay) that I have some French blood on my German side. I guess it was when my ancestors lived in Luxembourg that one of them sullied our genetics with frog blood.

I'm 3/8 Irish, 1/4 Italian, 1/8 Swedish, 1/8 French, 1/8 British. Roughly since there's Native American somewhere in the Irish or the Italian. My dad is adopted so that's a rough figure but he's mostly Irish with a little Italian and a little Native American. On my mom's side I know exactly where they're from. Her grandmother and grandfather came from Italy and Sweden, respectively, and her mom can trace her French bloodline back to the 1500s but there's been British mixed in since then.

I'm 3/8 Irish
This calls for ethnic cleansing. Chop off your arms.

This calls for ethnic cleansing. Chop off your arms.
Lol. What is with you and hating Irish people? Is it just because you're Polish and you happen to be the butt of like 100000000 jokes? :D

[QUOTE=DarkFantasy96]Actually haven't you seen Hispanics with very Asian looking features? There's a surprising amount of Chinese blood in many South/Central American countries. Often I can't tell if someone is Asian or Hispanic. Then there's Philipinos but in general the women tend to be fat, which started as a cultural thing and is only now a genetic trait because the fat women were the only ones who got men in the past. I know a guy named JC (his full name is Juan Carlos Chang), who is half Mexican and half Chinese. He's actually pretty good looking except a little too Asian for me to be attracted to.


Yep - one of my grad students was from Brazil and spoke Portugese - but he had completely Asian features - and his face got very red too when he drank!
:)

This calls for ethnic cleansing. Chop off your arms.
Hey now....

Polocks have no room to make fun of anyone else. :D

"What is an Irishman but a n***** turned inside out?" - The Proposition, 2005.

Lol. What is with you and hating Irish people? Is it just because you're Polish and you happen to be the butt of like 100000000 jokes? :D
Actually I've never heard a Polish joke in my entire life.

Irishmen on the other hand...

Actually I've never heard a Polish joke in my entire life.

Irishmen on the other hand...
How can you have never heard a Polish joke? That's insane. I hear 'em all the time.

And the only things I ever hear about Irish people are that we're drunks and have hot tempers. And all I have to say about that is... DUHhhh

And the only things I ever hear about Irish people are that we're drunks and have hot tempers. And all I have to say about that is... DUHhhh
No doubt...

No doubt...
Speaking of drunks, I tried Everclear a few days ago. And it was AMAZING. :D

Although my temper isn't very hot at all, so maybe that's only a stereotype for Irish men.

Speaking of drunks, I tried Everclear a few days ago. And it was AMAZING. :D
Be careful with that shit, hun. And, no - I'm NOT kidding. It can lead to alcohol poisoning which could possibly result in blindness, or even worse yet, pregnancy.
Although my temper isn't very hot at all, so maybe that's only a stereotype for Irish men.
Probably. I have a terrible temper. Growing up in a staunchly conservative, military household is most likely what did it to me. My parents were damn near perfect – valedictorians/magna cum laude graduates, officers in the Air Force, and VERY strict.

Small things have a tendency to make tightly wound people angry. ;)

Be careful with that shit, hun. And, no - I'm NOT kidding. It can lead to alcohol poisoning which could possibly result in blindness, or even worse yet, pregnancy.

Lol I only had one shot... plus 4 rum & Dr. Peppers, 4 shots of tequila, and 3 shots of vodka.
:D

Hey, BTW - what's with the three stars on your left shoulder blade?

Why does every girl out there feel it necessary to get a tattoo nowadays? Perhaps you can help me understand that.

Lol I only had one shot... plus 4 rum & Dr. Peppers, 4 shots of tequila, and 3 shots of vodka.
:D
Oh, well thank god you didn't feel it necessary to drink heavily then...:eek:


You really are a girl after my own heart - drunk and pretty, just like I like 'em. ;)

Why does every girl out there feel it necessary to get a tattoo nowadays? Perhaps you can help me understand that.
They've been infected with Hibernian blood, making their reasoning skills go down the shitter with their genes.

Hey, BTW - what's with the three stars on your left shoulder blade?

Why does every girl out there feel it necessary to get a tattoo nowadays? Perhaps you can help me understand that.
I've always wanted a tattoo. Maybe it's because my dad has so many and they're so awesome. Plus I like pain and I thought it would be a cool experience. :)

Oh, well thank god you didn't feel it necessary to drink heavily then...
Hey, I was still able to walk back to the tent without falling in the mud!