Hello all, and thanks for reading! First off, I just want to say that my intentions are not to force-feed my beliefs to anyone here, I just want to express my thoughts. Secondly, I do proudly follow Christianity and I love every single person, whether black, white, Muslim, atheist, as a brother and sister.
I would just like to know, has anything in the Bible ever been disproven? I mean, I understand that dinosaurs existed possibly millions of years ago, but the Bible isn't very descriptive as far as the relationship between when God created Earth and when He created man. I'm not trying to prove or disprove God's existence--I know He exists, that's why it's called faith, but if I'm wrong for spending my life believing in God's Word, the Bible, and I die, I have lost absolutely nothing and I've left behind the good works which I have done. However, if I were an atheist and I have spent my life disproving God and doing everything He says not to do, then I would lose my soul (however You define Your soul) for eternity.
My mother-in-law works in a nursing home, and about 4 months ago, she told me a chilling story about a middle-aged man that was brought in. Something had happened to the man whereas he couldn't care for himself and was brought there where he could be cared for. She said he was "the most wicked man she had ever met in her life"--just had a real nasty attitude. Anyway, she said the nurses who were with him when he passed away said he was screaming at the top of his voice "my feet are on fire, my feet are on fire" and he died soon after. I'm not implying the man was going to hell, but it sure gave my chills when she told me that story!
My point is this: You can't see electricity, but You see everyday what it can do. Just because You can't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Tell me what You all think?



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His feet were getting hot because the nurse had spilled hot water on him which in turn caused him to go into shock and die. (just kidding:D)

I will answer your question, with a question, has anything in the Bible been proven true? If you look at some of the other post here, we have had indepth debates about religion. Also if a person is a true atheist then they allready belive they have no soul so therefore how would they be wasting there time? Show me ONE person today that follows everything that the Bible says? If someone believes in the Bible and does not do what it says are they not more in the wrong then someone that does not believe at all?

That is all I have to offer, I am not atheist so maybe Borg could be more helpfull as far as atheism goes.

Yoh, me! The only person I can show You today that follows everything the Bible says is Jesus. Also, I'll do some researching on Your first question. I kinda feel like true science and true religion match up perfectly. Tell me, what do You think the soul is? What do You think happens to a person's soul when they die? I once heard the soul compared to the batteries in a flashlight--thought it was pretty cool! Take it easy...

Hi newbie: cool, another Christian! I was asking in another forum if there were any other Christians around here. Well, welcome aboard.
Maddog, YES, lots of things in the Bible haven beef proven true. Things that people didn't know for hundreds of years have been unearthed by archealogists and proven the Bible true!
Like I said at many occassions: people are weak! So, I try to follow the Bible as it says to live, but I fail because I am weak. It doesn't mean I am more in the wrong, it just means I am weak. I also don't believe that those that have not heard the Good News, and therefor are atheists, are also not in the wrong. One gets in the wrong by wilfully rejecting Jesus as your personal Saviour! THAT's the unforgiveable sin!

Adam & Eve have certainly been proven false. There is no record of any great flood like Noah's. Two examples for you.

There are also many, many, MANY things in the Bible which haven't been proven or disproven. Jesus' existance, for example, or even God's existance.

Beneck, could you kindly provide some examples?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Adam & Eve have certainly been proven false. There is no record of any great flood like Noah's. Two examples for you.

How have those been proven false? No evidence does not mean falsity.

There is no record of any great flood like Noah's.
Wrong. Melting of the ice caps after the Ice age. Flooded a lot of the world and then receeded again.

Tell me, what do You think the soul is?
Electric currents within your nervous system and in your brain. Creates enough of a magnetic zone to move metalic objects.

What do You think happens to a person's soul when they die?
Electronic current disperses as the nessesary functions required for life cease. Your electronic current is what helps kill you, constant energy flowing through tires nerve cells, and they replace at only one or two a year. Thus, the command center dies, and so does the body.

I once heard the soul compared to the batteries in a flashlight--thought it was pretty cool! Take it easy...
But if the soul are the batteries, then you can just change the soul and the body stays in one piece. :D

Hehe :D.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
How have those been proven false? No evidence does not mean falsity.
Evolution, and fossils, respectively.

Blib, that flood was nowhere near the proportions described in the Bible. Not even close to a flood so deep that mountains were underwater.

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered." (Gen 7:19-20, NKJV)

Blib, that flood was nowhere near the proportions described in the Bible. Not even close to a flood so deep that mountains were underwater.

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered." (Gen 7:19-20, NKJV)
Actually, since at the time during the ice age the water was pulled back and more land exposed, when the flood occured it was capable of covering that land that looked like mountains. But to flood the world untill Everest is underwater, physically impossible. There is not enough water on this planet to do such a thing.

Shall I continue?

"And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days." (Gen 7:21-24, NKJV)

So it didn't cover the mountains yet everything died? I don't think so.

How about 2 of every animal boarding Noah's Ark? Did Tasmanian Devils somehow make it out to the Middle East to make it aboard? In reality, if a species were ever reduced to 2 individual animals, it would have a hell of a time recovering due to a depleted gene pool. Or how about Jonah surviving in a fish's stomach for several days? Trying to act like this stuff really happened is silly.

Can I prove these things impossible in the face of a theoretically omnipotent being? No, I have to admit that I'd never be able to prove an omnipotent entity wrong. Still, I don't believe it exists.

What if I told you my dog could speak English but was very secretive about it? Could you prove me wrong? No, you couldn't. However, you have to rely on your personal experience and reliable knowledge telling you that that is a ridiculous claim. That's how I feel about God and the Bible. All of my experience and most fundamental knowledge indicate that believing in these things is ridiculous. Therefore, I now call myself atheist and am a much happier person because of it; my morality is based on sound reason instead of some book compiled 2000 years ago by humans who thought eating shellfish was a sin.

Could I be wrong? Sure, it's possible, but I'd be willing to take bets at 1000 to 1 odds.

First, I think to try to prove the Bible true or false is an irrelevant debate. This books teaching are much more philosophical than historical or scientific.

Second, atheism is not necessarily opposed to everything in the Bible and in christanism. I am atheist - I do not believe in god. I am also critic of most churches as institutions. But I find many christian teaching very interesting. And even if I am not afraid of going to hell, I respect and try to follow most of the christian values, not because they come from god, but beacause I think they are wise.

Thanks to everyone for all Your thoughts and time that You've put into Your replies on this topic. I just don't understand one simple thing about atheism--now I'm not sure if atheists' souls go to hell at death, that isn't my call, but as a believing Christian, what do I have to lose? See what I mean?

Blibbob, You mentioned that the soul is nothing more but "Electric currents within your nervous system and in your brain", but why can the human race not mimic this process? Now don't get me wrong, Your statement makes perfect sense, but if we understand this much about the soul, why can the scientific field not create the same? I feel that there is more to it...it's just gotta be!

On July 1, 1997, doctors from the University of Michigan made a release to the press that they could create human life--perfectly from the same elements we are composed of today. They begin to explain their process of how it is accomplished and the methods they used when they come to the part of how dirt is used. At that moment, God speaks from heaven and says "Get Your own dirt".

Like that... :-) ...I'll stick to my day job!

Originally posted by captain
Thanks to everyone for all Your thoughts and time that You've put into Your replies on this topic. I just don't understand one simple thing about atheism--now I'm not sure if atheists' souls go to hell at death, that isn't my call, but as a believing Christian, what do I have to lose? See what I mean?

I have no idea what God's take on that might be, but if I were God people that went to church merely as a hedge against going to hell - - - would go to hell. :cool:

Here's one for Ya: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." --Matthew 7:13

Now, the way I understand this, there probably ARE gonna be more souls in hell!

Lionelhutz, what's Your take on God? Some people portray Him as an old man with white hair sitting on a throne, "Bruce Almighty" introduces Him as Morgan Freeman (hahaha), but what is Your conception? I personally think God exists outside of our 3-dimensional world.

I've never put much thought into it. I doubt "he" is a person, but rather just "is."

Here's one for Ya: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." --Matthew 7:13

Well, although it says "MANY" it doesn't say "most" or "all". I believe there will be more in Heaven then in hell, simply because a lot of those that day are ignorant of the choices they could have made here, and therefor get a chance to do it after they die. Once you're dead, and have seen the Lord face to face, the choice should be easy!!! I say "should" because surely some will still deny then! Lucifer took 1/3 of the angels with him, beings that had lived till then in Heaven and with God! But in actuality, what I really believe that this verse says is: "Watch out because it's so easy to fall in the trap of the devil! The gate to destruction is wide (open) and it's the easy way of life that gets you there. The gate to eternal life is narrow, because it's not the ways of the world, the "system", but thet ways of God. He says, "My ways are NOT your ways!"

Well let’s see, the ocean covers most of the Earth now. If the polar icecaps were to melt, and it was to rain continually for a few days, it would be quite possible to flood the entire planet. Also, since a body can go several weeks without food, it is entirely possible to survive inside a large freshwater fish for a certain period of time.

Evolution doesn’t exactly disprove Adam & Eve. It is impossible to tell exactly when man fully evolved into Homo sapiens or how long it took to get there. The bible says that Adam & Eve were the first humans on earth, possibly meaning the first fully developed Homo sapiens.

If Blibblob’s theory is true, then why aren’t we able to revive a dead body by recreating the same electrical currents the body had when it was alive?

If Blibblob’s theory is true, then why aren’t we able to revive a dead body by recreating the same electrical currents the body had when it was alive?
Nobody said it was impossible. Length of life has been increasing, new medicines keep the cells alive longer, you stay alive longer. Maybe eventually we will be able to keep somebody alive indefinately by just reviving cells. Brain cells regrow at a rate so slow that far too many die each year, if we could just replace those... Which means add life term of cells to my theory.

Evolution doesn’t exactly disprove Adam & Eve. It is impossible to tell exactly when man fully evolved into Homo sapiens or how long it took to get there. The bible says that Adam & Eve were the first humans on earth, possibly meaning the first fully developed Homo sapiens.
Evolution is too gradual to have only two be first. In fact, that makes very little sense. We are still evolving, when exactly is "fully developed" declared at? One example, five fingers on each hand used to be in the minority, 6 or more was quite common. This being a long time ago. Is a black person a fully developed homo sapien sapien? Any more or less than an Asian or a Caucasian? Too many discrepancies to declare fully developed. Adam and Eve could not have been the first two.

Blib I do agree, If Adam and Eve were the first humans then why do we have black, asian, indian, those little dudes in Australia(can't think of there name), white man, etc... If God said all men are equal and Adam and Eve were white are the other men still equal? I think they are, but if the Bible teaches Adam and Eve (the white folk)being the first true humans what are the rest of the people?

Mopo lets say the earth did flood How could a human get 2 of EVERY living thing on a boat? remember we just have the tech now to build a boat that can hold a few planes, etc.... If a boat of this huge size existed where are the remains? How did this human keep food and fresh water for all of those animals? Now the world flooded, how did the fresh water fish live in salt water, or vise versa.

When I was a kid I didn't really buy into religion for until someone told me that the bible wasn't a recording of what actually happened but rather the writers' interpretation of events. So I can accept it on that level. The position of the fundamentalists that the bible is the absolute truth is rather untenable, IMHO.

If God said all men are equal and Adam and Eve were white are the other men still equal? I think they are, but if the Bible teaches Adam and Eve (the white folk)being the first true humans what are the rest of the people?
"God" never said all men are equal. Jesus said that(or maybe even he didn't). "God" had his "chosen" people, the semites, and that was it.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Also, since a body can go several weeks without food, it is entirely possible to survive inside a large freshwater fish for a certain period of time.
I believe the more pressing issue would be the lack of oxygen, plus all the various digestive juices.

Neither God nor Jesus said that all men were equal. What it does say in the Bible is that "ALL have sinned". And Jesus just said, "No man is good, save your Father which is in Heaven." It also says that there's neither male of female in Christ Jesus, with other words, He doesn't give a hoot if your male or female, or black, yellow or white. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference. All that counts is accepting Him as your Saviour!

He doesn't give a hoot if your male or female, or black, yellow or white. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
I'm sure the Simpsons are quite pleased to hear this. :p

i'm wondering though, what causes a person to become an atheist? i'm thinking though maybe tragic events or maybe parents raised the kids to be atheists. but is there anything besides that that would cause someone to become or be an atheist?:)

Originally posted by depressedbutfun
i'm wondering though, what causes a person to become an atheist? i'm thinking though maybe tragic events or maybe parents raised the kids to be atheists. but is there anything besides that that would cause someone to become or be an atheist?:)

How bout the fact that I've never seen evidence of a god in my life? The exact events you suppose are the cause of atheism are the events that cause people to be religious.

Oh yeah, I'm an atheist, have never been a victim of a life-altering tragedy, and was raised to be Christian.

I'm an atheist for the same reason as Leper. I wasn't raised to be anything; we never really were religious at my house.

I think "God" is our rational for things we don't understand. We as humans sometimes need answers that just aren't obtainable yet, therefore we place the explaination for those questions on "God".

Ok, let’s see if I can cover it all.
We often depict Adam & Eve as being white, but the bible never actually tells what color they were. I’m not sure where the belief that they were white came from, maybe that would make a good topic for discussion. Also, we are “fully developed” by our current standards. Maybe we will evolve more in the future; when that happens, THAT stage will be considered “fully developed.” Until that happens, Homo sapiens will remain at the top of the evolution scale. Just for the record, I still personally think these “fossils” that have been found are fake, I’m only talking about evolution for the sake of argument.

About the flood: the Old Testament often mentions certain animals that are “un-clean.” It is logical to assume Noah only took two of every “clean” animal aboard his boat. This would still be a huge load considering food & water for the animals, but a boat that’s about the size of an aircraft carrier should be able to hold it. When an organism is gradually forced into a different environment, it will begin to adapt to its new environment; this explains how some fish became freshwater fish and some didn’t. It also explains the different races among humans. Black Americans came from Africa, where it is extremely hot and the sunrays are relentless. Naturally their skin is going to be darker and thicker than that of other races. Same thing with Mexicans; their homeland isn’t quite as hot as Africa, therefore their skin isn’t quite as dark as an African’s.

Lots of large fish, such as whales, breathe air. It would indeed be possible to survive inside one of these types of fish for a few days; it would just be hard to keep your sanity. Digestive fluids would severely burn the person, but it wouldn’t kill them.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Until that happens, Homo sapiens will remain at the top of the evolution scale.

There is no such thing as the top of the volution scale. Ants and rats are as much on top as we are (in fact, they are much more efficient in colonizing the planet)

Just for the record, I still personally think these “fossils” that have been found are fake, I’m only talking about evolution for the sake of argument.

Who did manufacture these fakes and put them in fields so that I could pick them up ? Very good work.

a boat that’s about the size of an aircraft carrier should be able to hold it.

It is well known that 3000 years ago mankind had the technology to build such a boat with all the regulation systems necessary to keep every specy in its own environment.

Lots of large fish, such as whales, breathe air. It would indeed be possible to survive inside one of these types of fish for a few days; it would just be hard to keep your sanity. Digestive fluids would severely burn the person, but it wouldn’t kill them.

Whales are not fish. And even for mammals, air does not go into the stomach but in the lungs.

Stop reading the Bible as a book of fairy tales that you wish would be true. There is much better to do with this great book than this. The truth of the Bible lays in its philosophical teachings, in the beauty of its poems, in its epic tragedies.

Mopo nice try :). Your missing the point about Adam and Eve, if these "2" people started the human race then why do we have so many different types of humans? When is the last time you or anybody else tried living inside of a whales gut? Humans are not on the top of anything, except distruction of the planet. How does salt water and fresh water make the differences of a race, black, asian, white, etc...?

Everyone's missing the point. God didn't create atheism. God isn't Black. God isn't White. "God is Spirit". Look it up. My point and understanding is that God does exist--like it or not. People are the reason we speak different languages. People are the reason we are all different color skin. I'm not a religion expert by no means, but the information that I get is from the Bible. Jesus is the Son of God. Oh, how I wish You people would just believe!

Steve

The Bible is not a source of 'fact'.

Oooooooo!! That's a mighty big charge that You contest!! Prove it's not a fact.

Steve

Prove it is.

Well said Age..........

Captain I have nothing against religion or God but show me the proof that God is Christian and not budda(or something else) Why is the Bible truth? I belive in God but I do have my doubts about a book WRITTEN BY HUMANS(with big imaginations), THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. You can not prove the Bible total truth. I can not prove it false.

In fact you can prove it false in many ways - science and history do.
Of course that does not mean it is worthless and even less that god does not exist or that the Bible teachings are not valuable.

Here's the typical response I've received from most hard-core Christians:

Q: How can you prove God exists?
A: Because the bible says that he does.
Q: How do you know that the bible is true?
A: Because God created it!

They never seem to grasp the circular reasoning involved here.

Originally posted by mad dog
Well said Age..........

Captain I have nothing against religion or God but show me the proof that God is Christian and not budda(or something else) Why is the Bible truth? I belive in God but I do have my doubts about a book WRITTEN BY HUMANS(with big imaginations), THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. You can not prove the Bible total truth. I can not prove it false.
Add to that that it has been translated about a million times from it's original, to get what we have today... countless revisions, added books, subtracted books, added sections, missing sections, rewording... all to suit whatever one denomination wants.

Hell, want proof of what repeated transations can do?

I translated this section from English, to French, from French, to German, German back to English, English to Italian, and then from Italian back to English (that's not even a FRACTION of the number of times the Bible has been translated and altered). See if you can identify what the original passage was:

"And there was hirten, than alive to the outside in the near zones, that they exercise the control of their volumes the night. An angel of the getlteman has appeared to they and the honour of the getlteman, that it has been polished around it and frightful in-were hunted. But the angel does not have a fear they has indicated "for possession. You port the good messages of great joy, those for all people."

Good luck.

Wow, Age...I'm left absolutely speechless because, well...you said all I would have said.

My point is that the stories in the bible are NOT fairy tales. Scientifically, every one of them really could happen: A person really could survive inside a large fish for a few days because trapped pockets of air are often found in fish when they are cut open. The person wouldn’t be comfortable, and may not even be conscious, but they could survive; A boat of any size can float as long as it is thoroughly built and doesn’t leak. Such a craft could indeed be constructed in the Old Testament days if the builder concentrated ALL of his time & energy into it, which Noah undoubtedly did. If the Egyptians could build the pyramids, Noah could build the ark; there are several different possibilities about the story of Adam & Eve. They could’ve been the first fully developed Homo sapiens, the Neanderthals whom these “fossils” belonged to could have died with the dinosaurs in the ice age, or the fossils could all be fake. Until you can rule out all these possibilities, I’m going to keep believing the bible’s explanation.

Humans are at the top of the evolution scale because our technology is unmatched by any other life form on Earth. Plus, we are the only livings beings who are aware of our own mortality.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
My point is that the stories in the bible are NOT fairy tales. Scientifically, every one of them really could happen
Just because it could happen, doesn't mean it did.

If you're going to claim that the stories in the Bible are true, you must say that they are completely true to the letter, not just the parts you want to be true.

Thus, how, scientifically, could Eve have been created from Adam's rib? How, scientifically, could there have been a flood not too long ago (in terms of the Earth's age), which killed off every animal except for 2 of each kind, and produce such genetic diversity we see today in every species? How, scientifically, could Jesus have come back to life after being dead? I have just mentioned three; I am sure there are many, many more but I am no Bible scholar and do not know of them.

May God bless all of us...

Gotta love those 'I don't have an answer' answers.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Scientifically, every one of them really could happen: A person really could survive inside a large fish for a few days because trapped pockets of air are often found in fish when they are cut open.

?????

A boat of any size can float as long as it is thoroughly built and doesn’t leak. Such a craft could indeed be constructed in the Old Testament days if the builder concentrated ALL of his time & energy into it, which Noah undoubtedly did. If the Egyptians could build the pyramids, Noah could build the ark;

Such a thing could indeed be proven if the writer concentrated ALL of his time & energy into it, which Monopoloton undoubtedly does.

Adam & Eve. They could’ve been the first fully developed Homo sapiens, the Neanderthals whom these “fossils” belonged to could have died with the dinosaurs in the ice age, or the fossils could all be fake.

Wh… What ? Neanderthal were NOT contemporary with dinosaurs. And Dinosaurs did NOT die during the ice age !


PLEASE all the other ones here tell me that Monopoloton is an exception, or I am really going to believe that the american education system is far worse than what i read on the "education"thread !

Originally posted by astrapol2
?????

A boat of any size can float as long as it is thoroughly built and doesn’t leak. Such a craft could indeed be constructed in the Old Testament days if the builder concentrated ALL of his time & energy into it, which Noah undoubtedly did. If the Egyptians could build the pyramids, Noah could build the ark;

Such a thing could indeed be proven if the writer concentrated ALL of his time & energy into it, which Monopoloton undoubtedly does.

Adam & Eve. They could’ve been the first fully developed Homo sapiens, the Neanderthals whom these “fossils” belonged to could have died with the dinosaurs in the ice age, or the fossils could all be fake.

Wh… What ? Neanderthal were NOT contemporary with dinosaurs. And Dinosaurs did NOT die during the ice age !


PLEASE all the other ones here tell me that Monopoloton is an exception, or I am really going to believe that the american education system is far worse than what i read on the "education"thread !

Welll, I wish I could defend the public education system, but I'm afraid Mopo here is demonstrating average academic skills due to his ability to recognize what Neanderthals are. American academics is very, very weak. Administration of our school system is horrid. You ask just about any teacher and they'll tell you.

Originally posted by Leper
American academics is very, very weak. As is proper grammar aparently. Maybe you should get one of your nuclear family members to help you out.

Thus, how, scientifically, could Eve have been created from Adam's rib?
There are countless possibilities when it comes to the story of Adam & Eve. It’s impossible to fully determine the truth, but it’s just as impossible to dismiss the story as being completely fictitious.
How, scientifically, could there have been a flood not too long ago (in terms of the Earth's age), which killed off every animal except for 2 of each kind, and produce such genetic diversity we see today in every species?
Not too long ago!?! What’s your idea of a ‘moderate’ length of time? As I said before, it doesn’t take long for an organism to adapt to a different environment, even if that means changing in physical appearance to the point of being classified as an entirely different species. The span between the flood and the present day is plenty of time for this process to occur.
How, scientifically, could Jesus have come back to life after being dead?
Reincarnation is only mentioned twice in the bible. Both times it is referred to as divine intervention. Jesus’ rise from the dead and ascension into Heaven was an unnatural event; that’s why it’s still celebrated over 2000 years after it happened. Why do you think we still use BC and AD on our calendar?
Wh… What ? Neanderthal were NOT contemporary with dinosaurs. And Dinosaurs did NOT die during the ice age !
There’s no way to tell exactly when the dinosaurs perished or how long it took Neanderthals to fully evolve into humans or if Neanderthals died with the dinosaurs and Adam & Eve were created afterward. Evolutionists THINK they can determine the age of a fossil, but they’re only fooling themselves. Not even Darwin knew the truth; all he had were theories. There is no “solid” proof to back up the evolutionary theory, and there probably never will be.

Bottom line is, NOBODY knows the absolute truth… except God.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
[Reincarnation is only mentioned twice in the bible.

it is not reincarnation. It is resurrection.

Reincarnation has nothing to do with christian belief.

If you even need a french atheist to explain you the MOST IMPORTANT english words of your beloved Bible, I think you're in big trouble.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Bottom line is, NOBODY knows the absolute truth… except God.
This is a logical fallacy. If you can't prove a god exists, then you cannot use existance of a god as a given in a scientific argument.

As for the Neandertal/dinosaur argument...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html . But Neandertals did not co-exist with dinosaurs, just these primates. Even Australopithecus (Lucy) is only about 3 million years old. Dinos are 80 million.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
If the Egyptians could build the pyramids, Noah could build the ark;

Well Anyone can go see the pyramids, where is Noahs Ark? I still want to see a story (with proof)of a person living in a whale, try to find something recent(past 100 years or less)?

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Not even Darwin knew the truth; all he had were theories. There is no “solid” proof to back up the evolutionary theory, and there probably never will be.

Darwin didn't have the tech. that we have now, carbon dating etc...

Originally posted by HaVoK
As is proper grammar aparently. Maybe you should get one of your nuclear family members to help you out.

Spare me, Slanderer. I was using the word "academics" as a singular, not plural, term there. Debatable perhaps, but if you want to research the word "academics" and tell me whether it's plural or singular in the manner in which I used it, feel free.

What does your "nuclear family" teach? Ebonics? You know, everyone makes mistakes now and then. You can admit to them as you go and it will not kill you.

Originally posted by HaVoK
What does your "nuclear family" teach? Ebonics? You know, everyone makes mistakes now and then. You can admit to them as you go and it will not kill you.

You're just demonstrating your ignorance by acting like it's a simple grammar issue, and it's not. I'm not admitting I'm wrong or right, I don't know to be honest and don't care enough to look. But acting like that's something that every American child should know is nothing but stupidity on your part, not mine.

Here's YOUR grammar quiz of the day:

Which is correct grammar:

A) Mathematics is fun.

B) Mathematics are fun.

C) I'm just an ignorant ass and regret bringing up a subject I clearly know nothing about.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
This is a logical fallacy. If you can't prove a god exists, then you cannot use existance of a god as a given in a scientific argument.

As for the Neandertal/dinosaur argument...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html . But Neandertals did not co-exist with dinosaurs, just these primates. Even Australopithecus (Lucy) is only about 3 million years old. Dinos are 80 million.
What’s the difference between calling them Neanderthals and calling them primates? They’re all extinct, and nobody knows for sure when they became extinct. There’s NO WAY too tell exactly how old a fossil is. Why do you think scientists are always arguing over this issue?

Astrapol, you’re right, I forgot to proofread before I posted. The proper word is resurrection, doesn’t make my post any less accurate though.

Mopo how can you believe in Jesus but not believe in dino's? Maybe all the Jesus stuff is made up, atleast with a dino you have some proof? Why can't you believe in both... maybe Jesus did exist but just in a different type off story? Maybe the bible was written the way it was because the writters didn't want to hurt the feelings of mankind. God creats beast/ape man evolves from beast/ape, now that sure would upset some of our high class folks wouldn't it? Sounds so much prettier when we are instantly made the way we are in a beautifull garden eating apples and dancing.

Originally posted by Mopoloton
What’s the difference between calling them Neanderthals and calling them primates? They’re all extinct, and nobody knows for sure when they became extinct. There’s NO WAY too tell exactly how old a fossil is. Why do you think scientists are always arguing over this issue?
True, there is no way to give an EXACT number. But we can tell with a large degree of accuracy the period in which a fossil died.

And there are many different primates, each with their own characteristics and the time period in which they lived. I suggest you read up on the subject, and be sure to look for these seperate hominids: Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo neandertalis (Neandert(h)als), Cro-Magnons (really a sub-species of good ol' Homo sapiens).

Carbon dating is not the most reliable process in the world. Its accuracy can only be guessed at; historical records don’t go back a million years. Maybe a few million years from now the scientists can run tests on our corpses and find out if carbon dating really works.

Mad dog, I never said I didn’t believe in the dinosaurs, I said there’s no way to tell exactly when they became extinct.

Originally posted by captain

My point is this: You can't see electricity, but You see everyday what it can do.

You can too see electricity. what do you think lightning is? or when you shuffle across a carpet and then touch a metal doorknob, and there's a spark there?


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If you need proof to get anywhere in life as a christian, then you won't get anywhere in lif. We need to follow God by faith not by evidence.

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Originally posted by ElementLight
If you need proof to get anywhere in life as a christian, then you won't get anywhere in lif. We need to follow God by faith not by evidence.

"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that *"Faith"* is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." ------- Richard Dawkins

Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.
Mike Huben

Attempting to discuss the existence of a supposed omnipotent deity with people who think that homo sapiens and dinosaurs lived concurrenty is like trying to explain long division to a cow.

Scientists may not "know for sure" when dinosuars became extinct, but I am confident that they have proven beyond any doubt that the extintion occured a bit more than 6000 years ago.

Originally posted by depressedbutfun
i'm wondering though, what causes a person to become an atheist? i'm thinking though maybe tragic events or maybe parents raised the kids to be atheists. but is there anything besides that that would cause someone to become or be an atheist?:)

Yes, there a few things............

The power to reason and form logical conclusions.

The ability to think rationally.

The ability to think critically.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Yes, there a few things............

The power to reason and form logical conclusions.

The ability to think rationally.

The ability to think critically.
The ability to not just follow the majority like blind sheep.

The ability to question popular views in the face of adversity.

The only logical reason there could be to be an atheist would be the person suffered some sort of horrific anal probing accident at some time in their life.

Originally posted by HaVoK
The only logical reason there could be to be an atheist would be the person suffered some sort of horrific anal probing accident at some time in their life.
Ironic use of "logical", there, Havok.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Attempting to discuss the existence of a supposed omnipotent deity with people who think that homo sapiens and dinosaurs lived concurrenty is like trying to explain long division to a cow.

Scientists may not "know for sure" when dinosuars became extinct, but I am confident that they have proven beyond any doubt that the extintion occured a bit more than 6000 years ago.

"Freethinker" is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it? You're not what I would exactly call open-minded.

Not everyone that believes in God thinks that the Bible is a literal interpretation of actual events, although certainly some do.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
"Freethinker" is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it?

No.

Is it **"closed-minded"** to ridicule a buffoon who states ---in direct contravention to all scientific research in that area--- that it is possible that dinosaurs and humans lived during the same geological age?.....I do not think it is.

Originally posted by LionelHutz Not everyone that believes in God thinks that the Bible is a literal interpretation of actual events

To my knowledge, no one on this thread has asserted or implied that "everyone who believes in God thinks that the Bible is a literal interpretation of actual events".

It should be noted, however, that a very high percentage of religious believers in the American South, where I live, DO believe and incessantly proclaim that the revealed word of their "God" --as written in the Holy Bible-- is (a)perfect and (b)without error and (c)can and should be interpreted literally.

Originally posted by Freethinker

It should be noted, however, that a very high percentage of religious believers in the American South, where I live, DO believe and incessantly proclaim that the revealed word of their "God" --as written in the Holy Bible-- is (a)perfect and (b)without error and (c)can and should be interpreted literally. What do you mean by "a very high percentage"? Best guestimate is all im asking for.

I'd go for 5-10%, myself. Few Christians are complete blithering idiots.

Originally posted by ElementLight
If you need proof to get anywhere in life as a christian, then you won't get anywhere in lif. We need to follow God by faith not by evidence.
Not good enough for me. I don't need proof, exactly, but I do need evidence, and I don't see any at hand. I believe that blind faith is folly, and if God exists, he/she/it/they would at least somehow let us know.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
"Freethinker" is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it?
A more appropriate name would be “dumbatheistasshole.” That actually has a pretty good ring to it.

Originally posted by HaVoK
What do you mean by "a very high percentage"? Best guestimate is all im asking for.

Judging from my personal experience with multitudes of true believers, 70 to 80%.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Few Christians are complete blithering idiots.


My interaction with numbers of the Christian faithful throughout my life leads to a very different conclusion.

I'm not sure what would qualify as a *blithering idiot*, but certainly, those individuals who fervently believe that a human being can be dead for three days (during which time all brain activity would have ceased) and then return to life exibiting no physiological consequence whatsoever of having been dead for 72 hours are suffering a form of insanity.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Judging from my personal experience with multitudes of true believers, 70 to 80%.

It's worse in the South, no doubt, but I doubt the percentage is that high. But the ones that think like that tend to be pretty loud about it. The others keep their religion to themselves.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
It's worse in the South, no doubt, but I doubt the percentage is that high. But the ones that think like that tend to be pretty loud about it. The others keep their religion to themselves. Well I live in Virginia, the supposed "Capitol of the South". The only religious group around here that i see actively encroaching on other people's privacy are the Jehovah's Witnesses. I was raised in the Episcopalian faith and we were not taught that the bible had to be followed verbatim. Maybe its worse further down south but around here people just sort of live and let live.

I'm not trying to prove or disprove God's existence--I know He exists, that's why it's called faith, but if I'm wrong for spending my life believing in God's Word, the Bible, and I die, I have lost absolutely nothing and I've left behind the good works which I have done. However, if I were an atheist and I have spent my life disproving God and doing everything He says not to do, then I would lose my soul (however You define Your soul) for eternity.

Just curious about something you said about atheists, what makes you think we spend our life doing everything he says not to do? I live by a set of rules that i make for myself. I live for me, i know right from wrong but i do what i feel is best for me. I have good morals, and a very good person at heart. I do not need to believe in god in order to be a good person. I can live with the mistakes i may make, what i can't live with is living a life full of do's and don't's according to something/someone nobody can prove even exists.

If god are here then he make himself know to people

How do you know he hasn't?

Hey Captain...Ya im a born again Christian and i am totally on your side man. I mean, all Christians arnt perfect as other people expect us 2 b. Every1 expects Christians not to sin and fall into world ways which is a total waky thing. EVERY1 SINS. But the DIfference between Christians and the rest of the world is we (as Christians) ask for repentance and thanks God for our blessings. i hope that every1 out there finds the way, the truth, and the light.

But the DIfference between Christians and the rest of the world is we (as Christians) ask for repentance and thanks God for our blessings.
I know Jews and Muslims do the same thing, and I'm fairly certain other religions do the same thing. Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship mostly the same god anyway.