Some call it God, some call it a supreme being, some call it a goddess or Nature.

Whatever surpeme being is to you if you had one word to sum up this being what would it be?

For the Atheist and the Agnostics what would the purpose of life be summed up in one word?

My word..

Everywhere

Diana Ross' and Elvis' love child.

other than that, i can't say that i know...i'll find out, but i'm in no hurry to do that.

So Mikezila you are agnostic? You are not sure or not what your concept of God is or if this being exists?

What is the purpose of life to you summed up in one word?
Is your answer still "Diana Ross' and Elvis' love child."?

So Mikezila you are agnostic? You are not sure or not what your concept of God is or if this being exists?

What is the purpose of life to you summed up in one word?
Is your answer still "Diana Ross' and Elvis' love child."?
it's not a lack of faith, it's the uncertainty that comes with being human. i know in my heart that there is a God, but His nature i cannot know in my mortal coil.

one word? Change

Some call it God, some call it a supreme being, some call it a goddess or Nature.

Whatever surpeme being is to you if you had one word to sum up this being what would it be?

For the Atheist and the Agnostics what would the purpose of life be summed up in one word?

My word..

Everywhere
Since I'm atheist I'll answer the purpose of life question: none. (one word is a bit tough actually, I thought for a while to get it down to one word)

Observer.

Whatever surpeme being is to you if you had one word to sum up this being what would it be?Dalek (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radio-Control-Supreme-spheres-Who/dp/B000ML0JTE)

For the Atheist and the Agnostics what would the purpose of life be summed up in one word?Superkalifradgilisticexpialidocious.

Umdilidity-umdilaye. Umdilitity-umdilaye.

Great Spirit.
One that is so huge it has fragmented it's self into each of us, and yet still remains a whole.

Dalek (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radio-Control-Supreme-spheres-Who/dp/B000ML0JTE)

Superkalifradgilisticexpialidocious.

hehe... (smack)

my one word would be "realize"

Peace.

Without God, there is none.

Peace.

Without God, there is none.

There really isn't much with God either.

If I were to choose one word my word would be truth.

There really isn't much with God either.

If I were to choose one word my word would be truth.

Why truth Phyrex. That's an interesting choice. How can one ever really know "truth"?

Me.

Why truth Phyrex. That's an interesting choice. How can one ever really know "truth"?

I don't claim that I will ever know it, but I will always pursue it.

Since I'm atheist I'll answer the purpose of life question: none. (one word is a bit tough actually, I thought for a while to get it down to one word)


So,All the Wonders,Mystery and Delight of Life,even the Pains,
Travails and Plights,can be easily summoned away By :
{{{{{{{{{{{{ Nothingness ! }}}}}}}}}}}}
That's just pure Sloppiness of thought.
In yer World View,I doubt Man is even mush a Rational Animal.
Just an animal who likes ta munch Animal Crackers and
take naps on his/her widdle kiddie blanket.
HoW thoroughly Modern Juvenile !

On the Nature of Things

Nil posse creare de nilo
" Nothing from nothing ever yet was born.
Nothing exists per se except atoms and the void. "
-- Lucretius {Roman Poet}

So,All the Wonders,Mystery and Delight of Life,even the Pains,
Travails and Plights,can be easily summoned away By :
{{{{{{{{{{{{ Nothingness ! }}}}}}}}}}}}
That's just pure Sloppiness of thought.
In yer World View,I doubt Man is even mush a Rational Animal.
Just an animal who likes ta munch Animal Crackers and
take naps on his/her widdle kiddie blanket.
HoW thoroughly Modern Juvenile !

On the Nature of Things

Nil posse creare de nilo
" Nothing from nothing ever yet was born.
Nothing exists per se except atoms and the void. "
-- Lucretius {Roman Poet}
I am not interested in rhetoric and grandeur. Unfortunately that's what most of your posts look like to me.

I am not interested in rhetoric and grandeur. Unfortunately that's what most of your posts look like to me.

You prolly ain't mush interested in nuthin more complicated than
where the latest batch of truffles was snout-found by yer Prized
Wart Hog.
And maybe not eben then.

Superkalifradgilisticexpialidocious.
don't you mean Supercalifragilisticexpialdocious???

I am not interested in rhetoric and grandeur. Unfortunately that's what most of your posts look like to me.
Rhetoric and grandeur? They always looked like gibberish to me. Who taught you rhetoric that you would think that fit any definition other than ziblityshoobidy?

Rhetoric and grandeur? They always looked like gibberish to me. Who taught you rhetoric that you would think that fit any definition other than ziblityshoobidy?
Line between rhetoric and gibberish is thin. I probably really mean to say: attempt at rhetoric and grandeur. :thumbs:

Rhetoric and grandeur? They always looked like gibberish to me. Who taught you rhetoric that you would think that fit any definition other than ziblityshoobidy?

Ugh ! A nutter Ignurnt Atheist to slop the Wart Hogs of Mankind.

Line between rhetoric and gibberish is thin. I probably really mean to say: attempt at rhetoric and grandeur. :thumbs:

Funny thingy is,dough,I distinctly remember see'n a Holy
Picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary Hangin in main room of the Warhola
residence,a rather dreary and simple dwelling
within Pittsburg proper.
Andy was a practicing Byzantine Catholic.Describing himself as a
religious person,he regularly volunteered at homeless shelters in NYC
and regularly attended Mass.It was said the artist went almost daily to
St.Vincents.
Hows Dem potatoes... Mr.Atheist!

Funny thingy is,dough,I distinctly remember see'n a Holy
Picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary Hangin in main room of the Warhola
residence,a rather dreary and simple dwelling
within Pittsburg proper.
Andy was a practicing Byzantine Catholic.Describing himself as a
religious person,he regularly volunteered at homeless shelters in NYC
and regularly attended Mass.It was said the artist went almost daily to
St.Vincents.
Hows Dem potatoes... Mr.Atheist!
Knew that already.

Ugh ! A nutter Ignurnt Atheist to slop the Wart Hogs of Mankind.
"nutter Ignurnt". I have nothing more to say.

Funny thingy is,dough,I distinctly remember see'n a Holy
Picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary Hangin in main room of the Warhola
residence,a rather dreary and simple dwelling
within Pittsburg proper.
Andy was a practicing Byzantine Catholic.Describing himself as a
religious person,he regularly volunteered at homeless shelters in NYC
and regularly attended Mass.It was said the artist went almost daily to
St.Vincents.
Hows Dem potatoes... Mr.Atheist!
What the fuck does that MEAN? A)Irrelevant. B)Illogical. C)Counter example: Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are both atheists. They are also the largest charity contributors in the world. Warren Buffet will also over time be donating over 90% of his net worth to charity. What does this have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, same as your post.

don't you mean Supercalifragilisticexpialdocious???Umdilidity-umdilaye. Umdilitity-umdilaye.

Noodlely

Seriously though?...

Circular

"nutter Ignurnt". I have nothing more to say.


What the fuck does that MEAN? A)Irrelevant. B)Illogical. C)Counter example: Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are both atheists. They are also the largest charity contributors in the world. Warren Buffet will also over time be donating over 90% of his net worth to charity. What does this have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, same as your post.

I'm shore nuff glad to hear,those 2 Billonaires,who the Gods of
good fotune apparently were exceedingly kind towards are
charity givers.Probably more on advice of their Accountants.
That's basically why The Super Rich set up Foundations.

Not that Rush Limbaugh is The perfect example to model this thought
after,but he makes a valid point when he comments about Oprah and
all the Charity she does.Rush is right to assume or question someone like
her,who basically Brags and does entire Shows around ALL her Charity Giving.
I don't cotton mush to Personalities who make a big stink about their
Charity.Charity should be done w/o fanfare and any pats on the back.
I wouldn't expect an Oprah to understand that.
Her entire life is ONE Huge Promo.And it's paid Huge dividends.

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
Peace.

Without God, there is none.

There really isn't much with God either.

If I were to choose one word my word would be truth.

Just for the record, P... I didn't mean like WORLD peace. I meant personal peace, in one's heart. That feeling of the glass being half full instead of empty. If there's one thing atheists will never find, it's answers that will give them peace.

:)
SMW

whether the universe was created by big bang, or by "god". something was created from nothing, so to speak. "god" creates universe from itself. thus everything is god. and this planet is god.

there is no such thing as absolute evil or absolute good.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/godsandmen/religion/creation/stretchy4tz.jpg

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman
Peace.

Without God, there is none.



Just for the record, P... I didn't mean like WORLD peace. I meant personal peace, in one's heart. That feeling of the glass being half full instead of empty. If there's one thing atheists will never find, it's answers that will give them peace.

:)
SMW

Umm this is an attack on Atheist? Why. Why do you have a problem with athiest? How do you know that they see the world as glass half empty and never fill glass half full?

This is a huge generalization and simply is not true.

This is why many people have problem with Christians. They are always criticizing and targeting Athiest and other non-believers with statements like yours.

There are many Athiest who find peace and are very happy without God.

Umm this is an attack on Atheist? Why. Why do you have a problem with athiest? How do you know that they see the world as glass half empty and never fill glass half full?

This is a huge generalization and simply is not true.

This is why many people have problem with Christians. They are always criticizing and targeting Athiest and other non-believers with statements like yours.

There are many Athiest who find peace and are very happy without God.

I thought Athiests didn't believe in God? I'm just confused by your post, not trying to start anything.

I do not understand why you are confused? Where in my post does it say that Atheist believe in God? There was a typo that I edited that I put "with God "instead of "without" God that I fixed but as far as I know Athiest do not believe in God period. I am not atheist but I am not Christian either.

Umm this is an attack on Atheist? Why. Why do you have a problem with athiest? How do you know that they see the world as glass half empty and never fill glass half full?

This is a huge generalization and simply is not true.

This is why many people have problem with Christians. They are always criticizing and targeting Athiest and other non-believers with statements like yours.

There are many Athiest who find peace and are very happy without God.
You may be right... but ya damn sure can't prove it by studying the atheists on these boards! I've never seen such a crowd of seemingly miserable, negative people.

Not to mention that's about the 20th time somebody has said to me, "That's the problem I have with Christians..."

Right after you asked me, "Why do you have a problem with athiest?"

It's OK for atheists to bad mouth Christians but we're supposed to just sit back and say nothing about non-believers, eh?

Fat chance, charlene.

SMW

It's OK for atheists to bad mouth Christians but we're supposed to just sit back and say nothing about non-believers, eh?
Turn the other cheek? For fucks sake, follow what you supposidly believe. If not, stop calling yourself a Christian, it makes real ones look bad.

Here in R&P there is thread after thread of good-natured, mutually respectful posting between people of differing philosophies and theologies. For example in my case I get on very well with Christian Inviolable and "mystic" Sal.

But then there are the agitated grumpies such as Freethinker and your good self, SMW. Indeed the only two bigotted comments in this thread so far are against atheists:A nutter Ignurnt Atheist If there's one thing atheists will never find, it's answers that will give them peace.

Some Christians are nice and some are unpleasant; likewise atheists, muslims, mystics and what have you. Is that so hard to grasp?

If you reply do please prove me wrong about you by posting something pleasant, something Christian as they say, SMW. I mean that sincerely. I like to like people whatever their spiritual beliefs or lack of.

Sorry, boys... not all believers just sit back and take abuse from those who 'have a problem with Christians.' That fad went out with the dark ages.

Please try not to be surprised that I have a smartmouth. I told you that from the get-go.

;)
SMW

Why do I bother?

Why do I bother?
Blob, I've never had a problem with anything you've ever said... but at the same time, you surely don't expect me to avoid confronting those I do have a problem with because I don't want you to think bad of me, do you? (how's that for a sentence???)

If I didn't have strong opinions and beliefs, chances are I wouldn't even be here!

;)
SMW

Blob, I've never had a problem with anything you've ever said... Thank you. And the last time we spoke (that little confusion over "blob" and "blibblob", lol) we were both laid-back with one another. I like that sort of thing.

I just felt your reply didn't relate to what I had posted just above, that's all.

I do not understand why you are confused? Where in my post does it say that Atheist believe in God? There was a typo that I edited that I put "with God "instead of "without" God that I fixed but as far as I know Athiest do not believe in God period. I am not atheist but I am not Christian either.

The typo is why I was confused. I knew I had read it the way you first typed it. That's where the confusion came from.

I suppose the religion threads aren't the best place for an atheist and a Christian to become good buddies, eh? Unless I 'behave' myself, be a good little Christian and don't talk back, people might not 'like' me?

I'm probably one of the most laid-back people you'd ever want to meet, Blob. But I am capable of giving back what I get. And what I've gotten ever since I've been on these boards is bad-mouthing from atheists.

"You don't act like a Christian."

"You give Christians a bad name."

"Turn the other cheek!"

For a bunch of people who don't believe in God, atheists are surely prolific judges on what is and isn't Christian behavior.

Maybe we should meet on the party threads and get better acquainted?

Oh wait, there are no party threads.

Guess we'll have to muddle thru here in Sodom & Gomorroh!

;)
SMW

.....and there is a big difference...turning the other cheek doesn't mean being a doormat for hostility against God.....

:)
Kimi

Sorry, boys... not all believers just sit back and take abuse from those who 'have a problem with Christians.' That fad went out with the dark ages.

Please try not to be surprised that I have a smartmouth. I told you that from the get-go.

;)
SMW
aaah... you do warn them on everypost...right in your ID.:hahanot:

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Lager.......you're not supposed to be playing on those sites, young man!

.....and there is a big difference...turning the other cheek doesn't mean being a doormat for hostility against God.....

:)
Kimi


Can I get an AMEN?!?!

:thumbs:

Umdilidity-umdilaye. Umdilitity-umdilaye.
Um diddle diddle diddle um diddle ay
(http://www.geocities.com/disneylyricsc/lyrics44.html)

There really isn't much with God either.


Thats a statement I see a lot.
I dont mean to push anyones buttons here. But advances in science have killed far more people then what have been reported to have been killed in the bible by God.

One example, guns, having killed countless more people then the Atom Bomb.

You can say, guns dont kill people, people with guns kill people. I would agree.
I would say the same thing about religion. At the moment, the way things are in the world, I really would.

But thats with poeple and we know people. But not all of us know God and until you do, I dont see where you can say that.

Can I get an AMEN?!?!

:thumbs:
:hula:

You may be right... but ya damn sure can't prove it by studying the atheists on these boards! I've never seen such a crowd of seemingly miserable, negative people.

Not to mention that's about the 20th time somebody has said to me, "That's the problem I have with Christians..."

Right after you asked me, "Why do you have a problem with athiest?"

It's OK for atheists to bad mouth Christians but we're supposed to just sit back and say nothing about non-believers, eh?

Fat chance, charlene.

SMW

First lets get something straight. I never said "that's the problem I have with Christians".

You misquoted me and I find it really sloppy and I find you to be very defensive and more emotional than logical.

What I said was " This is why many people have problem with Christians".

I was making a point as to why Atheist and Christians get into battles because Christians are far to defensive and agressive. For one you started of by saying this.

"Peace.

Without God, there is none."

Which is an attack on anyone who does not believe in God because you are basically saying people without God cannot find inner peace.

You got a negative response to your aggressive and provocative statement and then you attack the Atheist defending his position that your statement is not true.

That is a very arrogant position to have and well you are going to get a negative reaction to it and then you claim "Athiest are attacking the poor innocent Christian".

I mean honestly are you thinking people are going to fall for this?


Anyway... Next time I suggest you quote me correctly and do not put words in my mouth.

Sorry, boys... not all believers just sit back and take abuse from those who 'have a problem with Christians.' That fad went out with the dark ages.

Please try not to be surprised that I have a smartmouth. I told you that from the get-go.

;)
SMW

Well then don't expect people to like you on this board. It seems a lot of people complain about you often. It makes a great impression on others and really draws other to your faith.

As for not sitting back and taking bad mouthing. I do believe you started it with the statement.

"Peace

Those without God, have none"

Why do you think people who are non believers are not suppose to defend themselves against that as well??

.....and there is a big difference...turning the other cheek doesn't mean being a doormat for hostility against God.....

:)
Kimi

Yes but this is not the situation here. She was not a "doormat"

She made a provacative and attacking statement on non-believers by saying without God you cannot find peace.

Why should non-believers be a doormat to christians? or anyone who believes in God?

I'm probably one of the most laid-back people you'd ever want to meet, Blob. But I am capable of giving back what I get. And what I've gotten ever since I've been on these boards is bad-mouthing from atheists.

"You don't act like a Christian."

"You give Christians a bad name."

"Turn the other cheek!"
Wow. Thank you everybody, for voting me as the Voice of Atheism. I'd like to thank vBulletin for being the means to allow my voice to be spread and of course to SMW for being the one to acknowledge me here today.

First of all I need to apoligize for the 3 post in a row. I will quote people different people in the same post and reply to them in one post next time.

I am new here and I am sorry if I make mistakes.

SMW

I find it strange that you claim that if you have God you have inner peace yet this whole thread was hijacked and many other threads get hijacked because of your "smart mouth" which is not a sign of inner peace.

Just something to think about.

This is the last statement I will send to you because I honestly do not want to spend time on this board arguing with someone who cannot give a good debate and has a chip on their shoulder. I have found that people like this no matter what you say they will find a reason to fight with you.

I choose to use the ignore button to save myself and everyone else grief with lost cause arguments.

Please try not to be surprised that I have a smartmouth. smartmouthed? really? Where I'm from we just call that bitchy.

FT rants about crap that has nothing to do with the threads. Are you really trying to be like him?

I thought this was an excellant thread...that is until you ruined it with your partisan bullshit.

Yes, I agree lets get back to the topic at hand. I think it is best just to ignore the person causing the disturbance and get back to the game. Many people looking for fights feed off of the attention from their remarks. It does not work to try and talk rational with them it just is something they don't want to do. It is futile to try an explain to them they are disruptive or that they are not the victims. It just goes in one ear and out the other. If you want to take their power away ignore them completely.

"whether the universe was created by big bang, or by "god". something was created from nothing, so to speak. "god" creates universe from itself. thus everything is god. and this planet is god.

there is no such thing as absolute evil or absolute good."

This was a rather interesting quote from a poster.
I have to agree there is nothing absolute evil or absolute good. There are many shade of gray. I also agree that everything is God. As I stated in my one word describing "God".

I don't claim that I will ever know it, but I will always pursue it.

Okay so you were refering to it as a "search for" ... thanks for the clarification Phyrex...

First of all I need to apoligize for the 3 post in a row. I will quote people different people in the same post and reply to them in one post next time.

I am new here and I am sorry if I make mistakes.
The way you did it was fine funindependent... do worry... we are loose about such things... if you respond to 3 different people it matters not if you make 3 posts or quote them all in the same one...

and welcome to the forum...

Lager.......you're not supposed to be playing on those sites, young man!


i didn't pic one of the nudie ones!!!

she needs to hurry up and do more movies

whether the universe was created by big bang, or by "god". something was created from nothing, so to speak. "god" creates universe from itself. thus everything is god. and this planet is god.

there is no such thing as absolute evil or absolute good.

Absolutes are important.
Most Serial Killers are absolute "Evil".That doesn't mean they can't
act normal for the major part of a day.Like Ted Bundy.
If you believe in the Big Bang theory,what happened a nanosecond
BEFORE the BiG Bang.? Food for thought.!

Um diddle diddle diddle um diddle aySo when the cat has got your tongue
There's no need for dismay
Just summon up this word
And then you've got a lot to say
But better use it carefully
Or it may change your life
One night I said it to me girl
And now me girl's my wife!

First of all I need to apoligize for the 3 post in a row. I will quote people different people in the same post and reply to them in one post next time.

I am new here and I am sorry if I make mistakes.

SMW

I find it strange that you claim that if you have God you have inner peace yet this whole thread was hijacked and many other threads get hijacked because of your "smart mouth" which is not a sign of inner peace.

Just something to think about.

This is the last statement I will send to you because I honestly do not want to spend time on this board arguing with someone who cannot give a good debate and has a chip on their shoulder. I have found that people like this no matter what you say they will find a reason to fight with you.

I choose to use the ignore button to save myself and everyone else grief with lost cause arguments.

And skip thru the tulips.

Tell me, what is the purpose of debating an issue if everyone agrees?

If you want to argue semantics:

that's the problem I have with Christians".

You misquoted me and I find it really sloppy and I find you to be very defensive and more emotional than logical.

What I said was " This is why many people have problem with Christians".

Go right ahead. I much prefer to discuss IDEAS rather than sentence structure.

What a bunch of whiny atheist pansies. If you can't take heat from a Christian, maybe you're in the wrong business. Of course, I realize most Christians shy away from places like this (i.e., filled with atheists), but let's just say I'm on a mission from God... and I won't be bullied.

Yes, please do put me on ignore. In fact, put everybody who dares disagree with you on ignore.

Oh and BTW, welcome to Allforums.

:comphit:
SMW

Peace without God and Peace with God are 2 different things. But it would only take a person with God to know the difference.

Peace without God and Peace with God are 2 different things. But it would only take a person with God to know the difference.
Absolutely, Musiq.

One thing's for certain... atheists will NEVER find peace in their hearts because they'll never find ANSWERS to their questions. The main question being, "Why am I not able to experience faith like 80% of the world experiences?" Surely at some point, they'll have to admit to themselves it can't possibly be because they're SMARTER than the rest of the world.

:)
SMW

Yes but this is not the situation here. She was not a "doormat"

She made a provacative and attacking statement on non-believers by saying without God you cannot find peace.

Why should non-believers be a doormat to christians? or anyone who believes in God?

I don't believe they should. Never said that and I was making a statement in general, not concerning anything you or Smarty said.

You are a bit defensive, too. It's a debate for me. Not a fight.

:)
Kimi

Absolutely, Musiq.

One thing's for certain... atheists will NEVER find peace in their hearts because they'll never find ANSWERS to their questions. The main question being, "Why am I not able to experience faith like 80% of the world experiences?" Surely at some point, they'll have to admit to themselves it can't possibly be because they're SMARTER than the rest of the world.

:)
SMW
You act as though no atheist has ever beleived. Quite the opposite is true. I know of only a handful of atheists who were raised that way. Every single other one didn't become an atheist usually untill around high school. The largest denomination it seems is catholism. I've only met one person who was raised in an athiest family who then became a christian. We think there are parts of his story he's not telling us, primarily that it wasn't a family of atheists, but instead a family who didn't care. It is rather foolish of you to think that most atheists don't understand what it is you beleive and why. Your argment--which really isn't an argument at all, it's just an insult--is entirely baseless because you apparently don't understand why atheists are atheists. We haven't seen some "light" and think we're more enlightened and at a higher level. Frankly we just have higher standards and usually more knowledge of science. There's a reason why christian scientists are few and far between. It has to do with the very principle of the scientific method. Based off of facts we draw conclusions, we don't conclude and then try to find facts that support that.

I don't believe they should. Never said that and I was making a statement in general, not concerning anything you or Smarty said.

You are a bit defensive, too. It's a debate for me. Not a fight.

:)
Kimi

Attacking non believers is not a debate. It is an arrogant " I am better than you" attitude and is not very flattering on anyone.

No one here attacked Christians until SMW made an attack on non believers with her arrogants.
She did not start a debate she took an opportunity to stab non believers in the head with a rude statement.

As for being defensive. I do take it personal when someone ruins my thread with garbage.


If it were a serious debate

You act as though no atheist has ever beleived. Quite the opposite is true. I know of only a handful of atheists who were raised that way. Every single other one didn't become an atheist usually untill around high school. The largest denomination it seems is catholism. I've only met one person who was raised in an athiest family who then became a christian. We think there are parts of his story he's not telling us, primarily that it wasn't a family of atheists, but instead a family who didn't care. It is rather foolish of you to think that most atheists don't understand what it is you beleive and why. Your argment--which really isn't an argument at all, it's just an insult--is entirely baseless because you apparently don't understand why atheists are atheists. We haven't seen some "light" and think we're more enlightened and at
a higher level. Frankly we just have higher standards and usually more knowledge of science. There's a reason why christian scientists are few and far between. It has to do with the very principle of the scientific method. Based off of facts we draw conclusions, we don't conclude and then try to find facts that support that.

Agreed Blibblob. I grew up Christain before I hit puberty and was smacked on the head that I was gay. It all crumbled after that. I use to have faith but after being outcasted and treated like a leper because of my sexual orientation because of what a book said. I realized I did not need "faith" to be happy with who I am.
Before I woke up from Christianity I was living an illusion. This inner peace that SMW so claims they have is nothing more than hologram. When you look at it more closely you realize it is not real but it fools some.

Again someone who claims to have "inner peace" sure causes a lot of problems wherever she goes on this board. IF what she has is inner peace she can keep it.

Attacking non believers is not a debate. It is an arrogant " I am better than you" attitude and is not very flattering on anyone.

No one here attacked Christians until SMW made an attack on non believers with her arrogants.
She did not start a debate she took an opportunity to stab non believers in the head with a rude statement.

As for being defensive. I do take it personal when someone ruins my thread with garbage.


If it were a serious debate

Well, that's your conflict with someone besides me. I did not attack you. I just stated my personal beliefs. I really don't enjoy conflict.

Good day.

:)
Kimi

You act as though no atheist has ever beleived. Quite the opposite is true. I know of only a handful of atheists who were raised that way. Every single other one didn't become an atheist usually untill around high school. The largest denomination it seems is catholism. I've only met one person who was raised in an athiest family who then became a christian. We think there are parts of his story he's not telling us, primarily that it wasn't a family of atheists, but instead a family who didn't care. It is rather foolish of you to think that most atheists don't understand what it is you beleive and why. Your argment--which really isn't an argument at all, it's just an insult--is entirely baseless because you apparently don't understand why atheists are atheists. We haven't seen some "light" and think we're more enlightened and at a higher level. Frankly we just have higher standards and usually more knowledge of science. There's a reason why christian scientists are few and far between. It has to do with the very principle of the scientific method. Based off of facts we draw conclusions, we don't conclude and then try to find facts that support that.


Well I don't feel my standards are low because I seek God. In fact I think that makes my standards pretty darn high if you ask me.

I'm not saying you are wrong about yourself having high standards but saying that atheists have "higher" standards is kinda stretching it.

Well I don't feel my standards are low because I seek God. In fact I think that makes my standards pretty darn high if you ask me.

I'm not saying you are wrong about yourself having high standards but saying that atheists have "higher" standards is kinda stretching it.
Higher standards needed to beleive something. Faith requires no support, being that's what it is. Believing something without needing proof. The fact that athiests require proof is why I think collectively they have higher standards. A simple yes or no doesn't cut it. "Does God exist?" "yes" "why?" "because he does" is circular and doesn't involve additional thought. It's a very basic belief.

Attacking non believers is not a debate. It is an arrogant " I am better than you" attitude and is not very flattering on anyone.

No one here attacked Christians until SMW made an attack on non believers with her arrogants.
She did not start a debate she took an opportunity to stab non believers in the head with a rude statement.

As for being defensive. I do take it personal when someone ruins my thread with garbage.


If it were a serious debate

Here's what I said that started this whole discussion about how mean ole SMW is bashing atheists:

Just for the record, P... I didn't mean like WORLD peace. I meant personal peace, in one's heart. That feeling of the glass being half full instead of empty. If there's one thing atheists will never find, it's answers that will give them peace.

Come on now. Can we say OVERREACTED? Are you trying to tell me that you think atheists will find answers??

Maybe you should start a thread for ATHEISTS ONLY and I'll gladly keep my opinions off your territory. Otherwise, you're leaving yourself open for believers' opinions... and that includes me, dear.

It's really not too difficult to understand why people who were raised Christian decide to become atheists considering the fact that 90% of all ivy league professors are liberals who encourage their students to question traditional values. If the number is that high in ivy league institutes, chances are 'most' higher learning instructors fall into the same categories.

Usually takes a person actually maturing before they learn to think for themselves and not believe everything they're taught in a classroom. Then again, some people NEVER mature in their thinking.

Sorry if that offends you further, but that's my opinion. Feel free to discount it as desired.

:corn:
SMW

One word to describe God.................................COMPLETE.


God is complete. He has no beginning, no end, no restrictions. God is all things at all times for all eternity.

God's own description of Himself. "I am that I am."

Nice to see you back, Frogger. You were missed.

:)
SMW

Usually takes a person actually maturing before they learn to think for themselves and not believe everything they're taught in a classroom. Then again, some people NEVER mature in their thinking.

Sorry if that offends you further, but that's my opinion. Feel free to discount it as desired.


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Thus Spake Zarathustra {1883-1891}
" I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. " 14
-- Nietzsche

the great Ronald McDalai Lama...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/godsandmen/religion/atheism/1176617494.jpg

Usually takes a person actually maturing before they learn to think for themselves and not believe everything they're taught in a classroom. Then again, some people NEVER mature in their thinking.

Sorry if that offends you further, but that's my opinion. Feel free to discount it as desired.


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Thus Spake Zarathustra {1883-1891}
" I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. " 14
-- Nietzsche

That can easily be turned around and insert the words "organized religion" here.

Both side claiming their side is more mature or "Higher" than another whether it be the faithful or the non-believers is simply causing the cycle of hate against each other.

NO ONE!!! is better than another person!!!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!

This tribal thinking of demonizing the other side to be less than yourselve is dehumanizing the other person. It only causes divide and wars.

You people are more than welcome to destroy yourselves and engage in primal instincts of your humanity. I will be on another thread using the frontal lobe of logic and thinking instead of my emotions of ego that I am somehow better than person B or group B because I practice or do not practice something that person or group doesn't.
:rolleyes:

That can easily be turned around and insert the words "organized religion" here.

Both side claiming their side is more mature or "Higher" than another whether it be the faithful or the non-believers is simply causing the cycle of hate against each other.

NO ONE!!! is better than another person!!!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!

This tribal thinking of demonizing the other side to be less than yourselve is dehumanizing the other person. It only causes divide and wars.

You people are more than welcome to destroy yourselves and engage in primal instincts of your humanity. I will be on another thread using the frontal lobe of logic and thinking instead of my emotions of ego that I am somehow better than person B or group B because I practice or do not practice something that person or group doesn't.
:rolleyes:

Do you have a relative named warrior? Just wondering......

That can easily be turned around and insert the words "organized religion" here.

Both side claiming their side is more mature or "Higher" than another whether it be the faithful or the non-believers is simply causing the cycle of hate against each other.

NO ONE!!! is better than another person!!!
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!

This tribal thinking of demonizing the other side to be less than yourselve is dehumanizing the other person. It only causes divide and wars.

You people are more than welcome to destroy yourselves and engage in primal instincts of your humanity. I will be on another thread using the frontal lobe of logic and thinking instead of my emotions of ego that I am somehow better than person B or group B because I practice or do not practice something that person or group doesn't.
:rolleyes:
You're absolutely right about that, FI. And I thought about that after I hit post.

I remember a civics teacher in high school who took great pride in urging students to consider supporting candidates running opposite of those their parents were voting for. She felt it was a great sign of independence. I thought then... and still think today that teachers' are there to teach kids the FACTS about the world -- and allow them to make up their own minds about things as they mature and become responsible for making their own decisions.. Not to teach them how to reject the values of their families.

I believe organized religion is a different subject altogether. "Raise up a child in the way he should go and he'll never stray far away from that upbringing." (paraphrased... too lazy to go find exact wording)

Guess it just depends on whether your goal is to raise children who benefit from belonging to something bigger than themselves... or rebels who live to buck the system (incl their parents) because it shows their 'independence.'

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a bad idea to be a 'freethinker' in today's society. But buying into something that goes against the beliefs of 80% of the world's population isn't necessarily going to make for an easy (or productive) life.

Just my $.02.

:)
SMW

Do you have a relative named warrior? Just wondering......

Oh yes a personal attack. Thanks :rolleyes:

again emotional knee jerk response to logical debate.
:rolleyes:

Sorry SMW all I get out of your mouth is

"This message is hidden because smartmouthwoman is on your ignore list. "

Good luck with your "inner peace"

I rest my case.....don't bother putting me on ignore, I'll not waste any time trying to communicate with you, anyway. Too tiring.

Have a nice day, life, whatever.

:)
Kimi

Ahhhh, yet another drama queen.

Your loss, sweetie.

One word to describe God.................................COMPLETE.





God is complete. He has no beginning, no end, no restrictions. God is all things at all times for all eternity.

God's own description of Himself. "I am that I am."

You mean the statement
"I am alpha and omega"

I am the beginning and the end.

You're absolutely right about that, FI. And I thought about that after I hit post.

I remember a civics teacher in high school who took great pride in urging students to consider supporting candidates running opposite of those their parents were voting for. She felt it was a great sign of independence. I thought then... and still think today that teachers' are there to teach kids the FACTS about the world -- and allow them to make up their own minds about things as they mature and become responsible for making their own decisions.. Not to teach them how to reject the values of their families.

I believe organized religion is a different subject altogether. "Raise up a child in the way he should go and he'll never stray far away from that upbringing." (paraphrased... too lazy to go find exact wording)

Guess it just depends on whether your goal is to raise children who benefit from belonging to something bigger than themselves... or rebels who live to buck the system (incl their parents) because it shows their 'independence.'

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a bad idea to be a 'freethinker' in today's society. But buying into something that goes against the beliefs of 80% of the world's population isn't necessarily going to make for an easy (or productive) life.

Just my $.02.

:)
SMW


Nice post.....

funny mskimi you tried to quote SMW so that I had to read her statement but it just gave me this.

"This message is hidden because mskimi is on your ignore list. "

LOL

One word to describe God.................................COMPLETE.


My word to describe it would be ......................................... ANTIHUMAN.

I believe organized religion is a different subject altogether. "Raise up a child in the way he should go ..........Guess it just depends on whether your goal is to raise children who benefit from belonging to something bigger than themselves or rebels who live to buck the system (incl their parents) because it shows their 'independence.'

You seem to automatically assume that to teach a child that "believing in" something that is "bigger than" themselves is worthwhile and is, de facto, going to comprise some sort of benefit to that child.

I would disagree.

I never made the slightest move to encourage OR discourage my own son from believing in whatever he found worthy of belief in. I did not go to church, but at the time I was raising him, no one on the planet except my wife knew that I was a confirmed non-believer.

When he was around 19, it came about in conversation one day that he told me that he found the idea of a supernatural "creator" entity to be absurd. Only then did i tell him that I was of the same belief.

And I would defy you to find a person on this planet who is more thoughtful, caring and kind than he is. As well as productive (he is a computer programer for SBI/Ameritech.....which is now AT&T). Yes, he is a bit of a "rebel" in temperament. But he drives a Prius. He is deeply committed to recycling. He donates blood at his local blood drive. He just happens to NOT "believe in" something that is "bigger than" himself.


Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a bad idea to be a 'freethinker' in today's society. But buying into something that goes against the beliefs of 80% of the world's population isn't necessarily going to make for an easy (or productive) life.

Firstly, I resent the characterization of "buying into" something.

To face objective reality is to be true to oneself; it is the opposite of "buying into" something.

Those who can truly be said to be "buying into something" are those who follow absurdist fantasies of something they cannot see that they imagine is "bigger than themselves".

The fact that **80% of the world's population** is operating under the same misconception means nothing, except that collectively the world's masses are gullible and superstitious and ignorant...........just as they were when virtually every person on the planet thought the earth was flat.

You mean the statement
"I am alpha and omega"

I am the beginning and the end.

Please don't be so presumptous as to tell me what I mean, especially when you are wrong. I meant what I posted. God said, "I am that I am.", sometimes written as, "I am who I am." He said it in response to Moses' question of who he should tell the Israelites he had spoken to. God told him to say, I am. It is found in Exodus chapter three, verse fourteen.

"I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end." was spoken by Jesus. It can be found in Rev. 22:13.

You have simply made yourself look like an ass by trying to snidely correct me when it is you who has little idea what he is talking about. I formally studied religion for four years and I generally know what I am talking about on that subject.

I will accept your apology as soon as it is offered.

Please don't be so presumptous as to tell me what I mean, especially when you are wrong. I meant what I posted. God said, "I am that I am.", sometimes written as, "I am who I am." He said it in response to Moses' question of who he should tell the Israelites he had spoken to. God told him to say, I am. It is found in Exodus chapter three, verse fourteen.

"I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end." was spoken by Jesus. It can be found in Rev. 22:13.

You have simply made yourself look like an ass by trying to snidely correct me when it is you who has little idea what he is talking about. I formally studied religion for four years and I generally know what I am talking about on that subject.

I will accept your apology as soon as it is offered.

WOw you are nasty little fellow. 3rd christian already that is nasty to me.
I was not trying to be rude, mean or anything negative in my statement. I was just asking for clarification and you jumped down my throat assuming that I was being hateful by simply asking for clarification.

I was not trying to be snide in anyway.

I apologize for coming across that way.
:rolleyes:

Umdilidity-umdilaye. Umdilitity-umdilaye.

ROFLMAO!!!

That was exactly what was going through my head after reading that too.

Oh yes a personal attack. Thanks :rolleyes:

again emotional knee jerk response to logical debate.
:rolleyes:

Kimi reminds me very much of warrior in that respect.

WOw you are nasty little fellow. 3rd christian already that is nasty to me.
I was not trying to be rude, mean or anything negative in my statement. I was just asking for clarification and you jumped down my throat assuming that I was being hateful by simply asking for clarification.

I was not trying to be snide in anyway.

I apologize for coming across that way.
:rolleyes:

Actually you weren't asking for clarification. You told me what I meant when I posted what I did. I posted that God said, "I am that I am." You came back with the correction that I really meant, "I am the alpha and Omega." If you are going to correct people be sure you know what you are talking about first.

I feel no need to be polite to a person who tells me what I mean, especially when that person is as wrong as you are.

Just a little suggestion for the future. If you think a person might have misspoke, ask them if that is what they meant to post. Don't go telling them they are wrong and then post something that is not related to what they said.

WOw you are nasty little fellow. 3rd christian already that is nasty to me.
I was not trying to be rude, mean or anything negative in my statement. I was just asking for clarification and you jumped down my throat assuming that I was being hateful by simply asking for clarification.

I was not trying to be snide in anyway.

I apologize for coming across that way.
:rolleyes:

No need to fret OR apologize.Y'see Our Frogger is a New Yorker.
That means he was given a special Birthright character trait.
He was congenitally Blessed with a Rude,snooty persona.
ALL New Yorkers have to pass that ritual ford they can can take
The L train down to whatever passes for - Five Points - Today.

No need to fret OR apologize.Y'see Our Frogger is a New Yorker.
That means he was given a special Birthright character trait.
He was congenitally Blessed with a Rude,snooty persona.
ALL New Yorkers have to pass that ritual ford they can can take
The L train down to whatever passes for - Five Points - Today.
:stfu

little known fact: most of the inhabitants of Michigan are descended from New Yorkers.

Actually you weren't asking for clarification. You told me what I meant when I posted what I did. I posted that God said, "I am that I am." You came back with the correction that I really meant, "I am the alpha and Omega." If you are going to correct people be sure you know what you are talking about first.

I feel no need to be polite to a person who tells me what I mean, especially when that person is as wrong as you are.

Just a little suggestion for the future. If you think a person might have misspoke, ask them if that is what they meant to post. Don't go telling them they are wrong and then post something that is not related to what they said.

I DID!
I asked..
Do you mean??
Alpha or Omega

How can you possibly see that as an attack or something or putting words in your mouth.

I have never heard of " I am what I am" so I thought that you were referring to the Alpha and Omega statement.

For Gods sake get a fucking grip

and do youself a favor and take the block of your shoulder.
Your a nasty mean spirited person and you need an enima.

I asked..
Do you mean??
Alpha or Omega
Perhaps you should try not to make claims that can be so easily disproved... Here is what you actually said:

You mean the statement
"I am alpha and omega"

I am the beginning and the end.
Doesn't look like a question to me.

ok here is an english lesson for you. Perhaps I forgot the question mark but when you say.. You mean "this"

It is a question. Do you mean?

there was no need for the hostile remarks he made. If he thought I was implicating something he could ask for clarification not jump down my throat and attack me.

He totally over reacted to the statement even if I had assumed he meant something else.

He accused me of being snide and rude and that totally was not the case.

And as SMW I have seen many people complain about these particular too on a constant basis and now I understand why.

Even foolsworth saw that he was rude and called him a NY.
No need to fret OR apologize.Y'see Our Frogger is a New Yorker.
That means he was given a special Birthright character trait.
He was congenitally Blessed with a Rude,snooty persona.
ALL New Yorkers have to pass that ritual ford they can can take
The L train down to whatever passes for - Five Points - Today.


Why are you always taking up for people who are rude and who over react?

I mean seriously he had no right to treat me like that without absolute prove that my statement was a direct attack on him.

Which it was not it was an innocent questioning of what he meant. Perhaps I was not clear enough about my question but that does not mean he can just jump all over me accusing me of all kinds of things.

seriously he needs to get a grip.