According to the following article, 13% of the state of Vermont supports splitting from the U.S.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_re_us/vermont_secession;_ylt=Ai4GYg4D2hW52fECg8MWC9YDW7o F

I have to say, I agree that the U.S. has a bleak future. The federal government has become too expansive and nourishes the unproductive members of society, contrary to the capitalistic values our country is dependent on. It's constantly creating more bureaucracy in an unsustainable manner.

If Vermont were to secede, I would seriously consider joining them.


Edit: I just realized I spelled secession wrong...

According to the following article, 13% of the state of Vermont supports splitting from the U.S.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_re_us/vermont_secession;_ylt=Ai4GYg4D2hW52fECg8MWC9YDW7o F

I have to say, I agree that the U.S. has a bleak future. The federal government has become too expansive and nourishes the unproductive members of society, contrary to the capitalistic values our country is dependent on. It's constantly creating more bureaucracy in an unsustainable manner.

If Vermont were to secede, I would seriously consider joining them.


Edit: I just realized I spelled secession wrong...
bye! don't let the door hit you where the good lord spilt you.

Wow. I honestly had no idea that anything like this was going on! I actually like the idea. I think the U.S. is rather on the large side. Perhaps we should break up into several smaller countries and then have a sort of EU-like arrangement. the U.S. could make itself into the American Union.

::thoughtful expression::

Wow. I honestly had no idea that anything like this was going on! I actually like the idea. I think the U.S. is rather on the large side. Perhaps we should break up into several smaller countries and then have a sort of EU-like arrangement. the U.S. could make itself into the American Union.

::thoughtful expression::

It's definitely an intriguing idea to toss around. Of course, you're basically talking about the way the U.S. originally was, where individual states held more power than the federal government.

I've always been a big fan of develution..

I like these kind of storys. I wish California would split into two states, North and South. That would make sense

Then we in the north could fortify our border and stop the SOCAL scum from coming across, by any means neccessary!

According to the following article, 13% of the state of Vermont supports splitting from the U.S.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_re_us/vermont_secession;_ylt=Ai4GYg4D2hW52fECg8MWC9YDW7o F

I have to say, I agree that the U.S. has a bleak future. The federal government has become too expansive and nourishes the unproductive members of society, contrary to the capitalistic values our country is dependent on. It's constantly creating more bureaucracy in an unsustainable manner.

If Vermont were to secede, I would seriously consider joining them.


Edit: I just realized I spelled secession wrong...


Hmmm....13%? Doesn't look like Premier Bush has anything to worry about there. That should be all the goth punks in high school, the wackos, and the Howard Dean fans who are still mad about the scream.

i agree

... by any means neccessary!

hehehehe...TravhXX

It's definitely an intriguing idea to toss around. Of course, you're basically talking about the way the U.S. originally was, where individual states held more power than the federal government.
Yes, I'm aware. It seems like a good idea to me.

Hey Frogger, fucking read it and weep. :D

I have to say, I agree that the U.S. has a bleak future.

I agree with this for different reasons than you list. Our government no longer represents the citizens of the nation. It is now dominated by foreign corporate interests and special interests and is constantly making decisions that are not in the best interests of the citizenry.


The federal government has become too expansive and nourishes the unproductive members of society, contrary to the capitalistic values our country is dependent on. It's constantly creating more bureaucracy in an unsustainable manner.

If Vermont were to secede, I would seriously consider joining them.

Given that the list of things above all fit into the Conservative frame of "Government=Bad, Profit=Good" I don't think you would be very happy in the only state to elect a Socialist Senator.

lol...Vermont.




On a different note, it looks like those Vermont state quarters might get a bit more valued.

They can't secede! I'd have to pay more for my maple syrup.

They can't secede! I'd have to pay more for my maple syrup.

I'll send ya some from up here... genuine Maple... tastes better ... it's got beaver poop in it....

Yeah right. Who cares about Vermont anyways?

I'll send ya some from up here... genuine Maple... tastes better ... it's got beaver poop in it....

But I like my maple stright...no poop.

What the fuck is "Vermont"?

I'd have to say that if there were polls for every state about this sort of thing there'd be a significant minority in every state. The entire south has had a rather significant minority that has supported splitting again since the Civil War, for whatever reasons, racism, distaste with the federal government, etc. The nature of the post Civil War Federal government can put a bad taste in the mouths of many. That's the very nature of a republic itself, the nature of government. The smaller the majority(or those with power) is in relation to the minority(or just those without power), the larger the radical segment of the minority(or as peviously stated). Oftentimes it is merely the illusion of power that is needed to decrease the size of the radical segment, as seen in England and in the US. Our government's design was never to give power to everybody. The only real power the people had was in the jury where they could judge the law itself, and that is essentially gone now because no sensible government would ever want to educate the people of that fact.

I don't think the United States is too bad a place myself.

I don't think the United States is too bad a place myself.
Well, you're in the minority on a discussion board, for sure.

Hmmm....13%? Doesn't look like Premier Bush has anything to worry about there. That should be all the goth punks in high school, the wackos, and the Howard Dean fans who are still mad about the scream.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of mainstream U.S. citizens who are unhappy with their government. Plus, the article points out that that percentage has more than doubled in a year (if I recall correctly), which is probably the more significant statistic from the piece.

I don't think the United States is too bad a place myself.

Nor do I, but I think our government is just about hopeless.

Nor do I, but I think our government is just about hopeless.That too is relative. I'd prefer our government to most of those around the world.

That too is relative. I'd prefer our government to most of those around the world.

Agreed.

In addition, I believe the world expects more out of the American government than any other government around the world. IMO, this is why the American government is in such a bad situation. There is too much interference, like Dharma mentioned from special interest groups that don’t put the American public first. However, I still believe this would occur whether or not our President is a Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal.

On a sidenote, I think the American public puts to much emphasis on who is a conservative and who is a liberal, which in the end divides us even more.

But in the end, I undoubtedly would want to live in America than any other country at the moment.

That too is relative. I'd prefer our government to most of those around the world.

I wasn't speaking relatively, but I do agree I would prefer our government over just about every nation in Africa, among other areas of the world.

But that doesn't mean our government is worth preserving in favor of more evolved governments.

They can't secede! I'd have to pay more for my maple syrup.

I was gonna say,What good is Vermont...Anywho.?
Maple Syrup and their Teddy Bears.
I heard a wealthy intellectual from Vermont say they're sooooooooo
ridiculously Liberal anywho,they couldn't care less about any
Terrorist Threat.Like what Nutjob Terrorist cares about hitting Vermont.
With a little over 600,ooo residents,statewide,they aren't big enough
to drum up a good Hurricane.

On a semi-related topic, whatever happened to the libertarians' plans to take over New Hampshire?

On a semi-related topic, whatever happened to the libertarians' plans to take over New Hampshire?

I don't know! I'd love to hear an update on that myself.