Does CNN tell us here that any of the men are Muslim, or Islamic?
You have to read for a good while to even get a hint.


NEW YORK (CNN) -- Four men have been charged with conspiring to blow up jet fuel supply tanks and pipelines at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Homeland Security sources said there is no current threat at the airport and the attack as planned was "not technically feasible."

The alleged plot did not target airplane flights, officials said.

A wiretap transcript given to CNN by the FBI indicates the plotters targeted the airport because of the popularity its namesake, John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated in 1963.

"Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow ... they love JFK -- he's like the man," former JFK airport cargo worker Russell Defreitas said in a telephone conversation monitored by the FBI.

"If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It's like you can kill the man twice," Defreitas added.

At a Justice Department news conference Saturday afternoon, the plotters were described as "a determined group" whose signature was persistence.

A law enforcement source told CNN Saturday evening that the idea for the plot allegedly came from Defreitas, who also apparently recruited the other men. Those three supposedly directed the effort.

Defreitas, 63, a native of Guyana who has been a U.S. citizen since the 1960s, was arrested in Brooklyn, New York, according to the Justice Department. He was arraigned Saturday in federal court in New York.

Abdul Kadir of Guyana, a former member of the Guyana parliament, and Kareem Ibrahim of Trinidad, are in custody in Trinidad. The United States will seek their extradition.

The fourth suspect, Abdel Nur of Guyana, is being sought.

Defreitas was once a contractor for the aviation company Evergreen Eagle, a law enforcement official told CNN. James Nelson, a company spokesman, said the firm is cooperating with authorities, but declined to provide further information.

Defreitas identified targets and escape routes and assessed airport security, the complaint alleges. Officials said the "defendants obtained satellite photographs of JFK airport and its facilities from the Internet and traveled frequently among the United States, Guyana and Trinidad to discuss their plans and solicit the financial and technical assistance of others."

Group tied to extremists in South America, Caribbean
The Justice statement said the men began planning the assault on January 6. A complaint alleges that the plot tapped into an international network of Muslim extremists from the United States, Guyana and Trinidad.

"The defendants had the connections to present their terrorist plot to radical groups in South America and the Caribbean, including senior leadership of Jamaat Al Muslimeen ('JAM'), which was responsible for a deadly coup attempt in Trinidad in 1990," said Mark J. Mershon, assistant director-in-charge of the FBI's New York field office.

"As the complaint alleges, defendants Kadir and Nur were longtime associates of JAM leaders. Defendant Kareem [Ibrahim] was also preparing to send an emissary overseas to present the plan to extremist networks there when law enforcement stepped in to disrupt it," Mershon said.

An official described the suspects as "al Qaeda wannabes."

In one conversation taped by the FBI, Defreitas discusses an incident he says motivated him to strike JFK. He claimed he saw military parts being shipped to Israel, including missiles, that he felt would be used to kill Muslims.

He says he "wanted to do something to get those bastards."

In another recorded conversation with his alleged conspirators in May 2007, Defreitas compared the plot to attack JFK airport with the September 11,2001, attack on the World Trade Center, saying, "Even the Twin Towers can't touch it. This can destroy the economy of America for some time," according to Justice officials.

The plot was revealed when the planners tried to recruit a person who was a law enforcement informant, sources said.

Fuel line covers large, populated area
The fuel supply for the airport is linked primarily to the Buckeye Pipeline, which distributes fuel and other petroleum products to sites in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York.

"We were concerned, not only about an attack on the fuel tank farms at JFK but along the 40-mile aviation fuel pipeline that courses its way from Linden, New Jersey, through Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens," said New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

"The fuel line is the feeding tube that nourishes national and international commerce through LaGuardia and JFK airports."

Kelly said the NYPD's counterterrorism unit conducted a mile-by-mile survey of the pipeline after hearing about the alleged plot.

Suspect's wife denies his involvement
JFK handles on average more than 1,000 flights daily, about half of which are international flights. Each year, the airport processes about 45 million passengers and more than 1.5 million tons of cargo with an estimated value of $120 billion.

Kadir's wife, Isha, told CNN by telephone from Linden, Guyana, that she is shocked by the allegations.

"You know, my husband -- we are Muslims for 33 years," she said. "And no way, at no time we were ever involved in anything of plots of bombing or any plots against America. We are not a part of that. We have family -- both of us -- in America."

She said her husband was arrested Friday while flying to Caracas, Venezuela, to collect an Iranian visa in order to attend an Islamic conference there. In addition to being a former member of the Guyana parliament, she said, he is a former mayor of Linden.

"We are a mother and a father of nine children and 18 grandchildren," she said. "No way will we get into anything like that."

Asked why she thought her husband was arrested, Isha Kadir said it could be related to his connection to Iran. The family is Shiite, she said, and two of her children studied Islamic culture in Iran. But "we have no problem with the United States," she said.

She said Defreitas, whom she knew as Mohammed, visited Guyana for a week at some point, and that she knew the other suspects but hadn't seen Nur in years and did not know Ibrahim well.

She said she has not spoken to her husband since his arrest, but "the truth will stand out clearly. And I believe in God, and I know that God knows our intention, and he knows, and he will, you know, he will play a part in this."

A written statement from the White House said, "The president has been briefed and updated regularly on the progress of the investigation, and this case is a good example of international counterterrorism cooperation."

CNN's Kathleen Koch, Kelli Arena and Jason Carroll contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/02/jfk.terror.plot/index.html

Does CNN tell us here that any of the men are Muslim, or Islamic?
Why does that have to explicitly stated?

We want to know who our terrorists are. Love Sheri

An official described the suspects as "al Qaeda wannabes."Was that not enough?

Or how about:A complaint alleges that the plot tapped into an international network of Muslim extremists from the United States, Guyana and Trinidad.

As I said you must read for a good while to get that info.


Or how about:

How long do you have to read this to get that info?


Authorities Hunt Fourth Suspect in JFK Bomb Plot in Trinidad
Sunday , June 03, 2007




NEW YORK —

Federal authorities say they have broken up a suspected Muslim terrorist cell planning a "chilling" attack to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through populous residential neighborhoods.

Three men, one of them a former member of Guyana's parliament, were arrested and one was being sought in Trinidad as part of a plot that authorities said they had been tracked for more than a year and was foiled in the planning stages.

"The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," U.S. Attorney Roslynn R. Mauskopf said at a news conference Saturday, calling it "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."

• Get complete coverage in FOXNews.com's War on Terror Center.

In an indictment charging the four men, one of them is quoted as saying the foiled plot would "cause greater destruction than in the Sept. 11 attacks," destroying the airport, killing several thousand people and destroying parts of New York's borough of Queens, where the line runs underground.

One of the suspects, Russell Defreitas, a U.S. citizen native to the South American country of Guyana and former JFK air cargo employee, said the airport named for the slain president was targeted because it is a symbol that would put "the whole country in mourning."

"It's like you can kill the man twice," said Defreitas, 63, who first hatched his plan more than a decade ago when he worked as a cargo handler for a service company, according to the indictment.

Authorities said the men were motivated by hatred toward the U.S., Israel and the West. Defreitas was recorded saying he "wanted to do something to get those b------" and he boasted that he had been taught to make bombs in Guyana.

Despite their efforts, the men never obtained any explosives, authorities said.

"Pulling off any bombing of this magnitude would not be easy in today's environment," former U.S. State Department counterterrorism expert Fred Burton said, but added it was difficult to determine without knowing all the facts of the case.

Richard Kuprewicz, a pipeline expert and president of Accufacts Inc., an energy consulting firm that focuses on pipelines and tank farms, said the force of explosion would depend on the amount of fuel under pressure, but it would not travel up and down the line.

"That doesn't mean wackos out there can't do damage and cause a fire, but those explosions and fires are going to be fairly restricted," he said.

Since Defreitas retired from his job at the airport, security has significantly tightened and his knowledge of the operation was severely outdated.

He was arraigned Saturday in federal court in Brooklyn, where he was held pending a bail hearing Wednesday. His court-appointed lawyer, Drew Carter, told the judge that officials were not revealing the full story, according to reports from the New York Times and local television news station NY1.

Two other men, Abdul Kadir of Guyana and Kareem Ibrahim of Trinidad, were in custody in Trinidad, a Caribbean island. A fourth man, Abdel Nur of Guyana, was still being sought in Trinidad.

Trevor Paul, the top police official in Trinidad and Tobago, a twin-island nation off Venezuela's coast, said Kadir and Ibrahim would likely be extradited to the U.S. after court hearings in Trinidad.

Authorities said Kadir and Nur were longtime associates of a Trinidadian radical Muslim group, Jamaat al Muslimeen, which launched an unsuccessful rebellion in 1990 that left 24 dead.

Phone calls to Yasin Abu Bakr, the radical group's leader, went unanswered Saturday.

Kadir, a former member of Parliament in Guyana, was arrested in Trinidad for attempting to secure money for "terrorist operations," according to a Guyanese police commander who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Kadir left his position in Guyana's Parliament last year. Muslims make up about 9 percent of the former Dutch and British colony's 770,000 population, mostly from the Sunni sect.

Isha Kadir, the Guyanese suspect's wife, said her husband flew from Guyana to Trinidad on Thursday. She said he was arrested Friday as he was boarding a flight from Trinidad to Venezuela, where he planned to pick up a travel visa to attend an Islamic religious conference in Iran.

"We have no interest in blowing up anything in the U.S.," she said Saturday from the couple's home in Guyana. "We have relatives in the U.S."

The U.S. Joint Terrorism Task Force recorded and surveilled the men, learning that Defreitas drove around and videotaped JFK on four occasions this past January.

When Defreitas returned from Guyana in February, U.S. customs officials searched his belongings and found Kadir's name and telephone number in Defreitas' address book. At that time, Defreitas told an informant he was suspicious the U.S. government was aware of the plot.

Authorities finally pounced after Defreitas said on May 27 that he was happy to see that the plan, code named "chicken farm," was moving forward, according to the criminal complaint.

The pipeline, owned by Buckeye Pipeline Co., takes fuel from a facility in Linden, New Jersey, to the airport, about 30 miles (50 kilometers) east. Other lines service the other two main New York City area airports, LaGuardia Airport in Queens and Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey.

Buckeye spokesman Roy Haase said the company, which moves petroleum through pipelines in a number of states, had been informed of the threat from the beginning but he declined to detail the company's security measures.

JFK and the area's other airports remained at a heightened state of alert Saturday, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said.

Jeanie Mamo, a spokeswoman for the White House, said President George W. Bush had been briefed and updated regularly as the investigation into the plot progressed.

"This case is a good example of international counterterrorism cooperation," Mamo said.

The arrests mark the latest in a series of alleged homegrown terrorism plots targeting high-profile American landmarks.

A year ago, seven men were arrested in what officials called the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, which is the tallest U.S. building, and destroy FBI offices and other buildings.

A month later, authorities broke up a plot to bomb underwater New York City train tunnels to flood lower Manhattan.

And six people were arrested a month ago in an alleged plot to unleash a bloody rampage on Fort Dix in New Jersey.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277434,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/waronterror


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/02/national/main2877931.shtml

How long do you have to read this to get that info?

Why is that important?

Does it have to be in the headline to satisfy you?

How long do you have to read this to get that info?


About 30 seconds.

The article plainly states--

""The Justice statement said the men began planning the assault on January 6. A complaint alleges that the plot tapped into an international network of Muslim extremists""

-- I cannot imagine how much more damning you'd like the language to be than to dub them *Muslim extremists*............?!?!?!

Your pathetic examples of "libeal media bias" are becoming more laughable by the day.

""Well, yeah sure, they did accuse them of being Muslim extremists, but hey!, it took them few sentences before they did!!..........I allege liiiiberal bias!!!!!!!!""

:rolleyes:

""Well, yeah sure, they did accuse them of being Muslim extremists, but hey!, it took them few sentences before they did!!..........I allege liiiiberal bias!!!!!!!!""

:rolleyes:

Who said that?

Oh wait.. you did...

Does it have to be in the headline to satisfy you?
Exactly. This is silly. Even if you couldn't figure it out from the names of the second two suspects about halfway through the article, then it actually calls them Muslim extremists. How much plainer can it be?

Exactly. This is silly. Even if you couldn't figure it out from the names of the second two suspects about halfway through the article, then it actually calls them Muslim extremists. How much plainer can it be?
I agree that it is silly. However, an individuals last name can't just identify then with any particular group.

Who said that?


gmsisko, in so many words.

Who's too stupid to realize it?..... Oh wait.. you are...

I agree that it is silly. However, an individuals last name can't just identify then with any particular group.
Well of course but sisko said "You have to read for a good while to even get a hint", and their last names were a hint. I don't think 20 sentences or so is THAT long.

gmsisko, in so many words.

Who's too stupid to realize it?..... Oh wait.. you are...ROFL!

People who can find a 'liberal bias' in a story as innocuous as this one can probably find it anywhere they look.

Oh wait ... they already do ...

There is a liberal media out there now, but CNN is definately not it.

The network that put Glen Beck in a primetime slot is anything but liberal.

Sisko, while I agree with you generally on this subject, this case is just a red herring and it weakens your overall argument.

There is a liberal media out there now, but CNN is definately not it.

The network that put Glen Beck in a primetime slot is anything but liberal.

You have GOT to bee kiddin.Not even a close call.
Known throughout the 90's as the Clinton News Network,
because CNN virtually bent over backwards to Pre-empt and
celebrate ANY Clinton Press Conference,regardless of the fact Clinton was
NEVER,I mean Never on time.
CNN is sooooooooooooooooo Liberal even the Terrorists tune in to
find out how their doin.

Known throughout the 90's as the Clinton News Network,

Only by the voices in your head.



CNN is sooooooooooooooooo Liberal even the Terrorists tune in to
find out how their doin.

1. Yeah, that Glen Beck is soooooooooooo "liberal"... :rolleyes:
2. Conservatives are the best friends to terrorists. They gave into Bin Laden's demands and built a Disneyland for Terrorists out of Iraq, just so they could have Americans close at hand to kill.

Only by the voices in your head.




1. Yeah, that Glen Beck is soooooooooooo "liberal"... :rolleyes:
2. Conservatives are the best friends to terrorists. They gave into Bin Laden's demands and built a Disneyland for Terrorists out of Iraq, just so they could have Americans close at hand to kill.

ONE Staunch Conservative does not a Liberal bastion make.
Maybe Beck is a glutton fer punishment.
Ever thought a dat.?

ONE Staunch Conservative does not a Liberal bastion make.

True. It does not make a liberal bastion. It makes a great base for a conservative bastion though.

Maybe Beck is a glutton fer punishment.
Ever thought a dat.?

No, because it is a suggestion ridiculous enough to come from you.

Conservatives say that CNN to liberal. Liberals say that it's too conservative. That tells me that it's just about right.

There is a liberal media out there now........

?!?

Where, if you don't mind my asking?

If you're talking about Democracy Now, or Air America, i'd have to agree there is some semblance of a "liberal media" voice in this country, albeit a comparatively microscopic one.

Those two entities are heard by only a very, very small percentage of the citizenry compared to the dominant forms of mainstream Media ---the newspapers and the nightly news shows-- that the vast majority of the sheep recieve their (dis)information from, and that are little more than a State Propaganda Ministry for the rightwing and its incessant repetition of the **God-and-Country!, pro-Corporate, Rally 'round Old Glory boys!, Might Makes Right!, God Bless Amurica!, Mom-and-Apple-Pie, unquestioning support for the military** worldview.

Well of course but sisko said "You have to read for a good while to even get a hint", and their last names were a hint. I don't think 20 sentences or so is THAT long.
Once again, an individuals last name does not give us a clue that they are Muslim extremist.

If you're talking about Democracy Now, or Air America, i'd have to agree there is some semblance of a "liberal media" voice in this country, albeit a comparatively microscopic one.

Yes, that is who I meant.


Those two entities are heard by only a very, very small percentage of the citizenry compared to the dominant forms of mainstream Media ---the newspapers and the nightly news shows-- that the vast majority of the sheep recieve their (dis)information from, and that are little more than a State Propaganda Ministry for the rightwing and its incessant repetition of the **God-and-Country!, pro-Corporate, Rally 'round Old Glory boys!, Might Makes Right!, God Bless Amurica!, Mom-and-Apple-Pie, unquestioning support for the military** worldview.

Excellent point. You are right, it is microscopic compared to the conservative media, but we are working on that.

Once again, an individuals last name does not give us a clue that they are Muslim extremist.

true.
Who would suspect "Richard Reid" would turn out to be the shoe bomber?

Once again, an individuals last name does not give us a clue that they are Muslim extremist.
I didn't say that! Please stop putting words in my mouth. It gives us a clue that they are Muslim or of Muslim heritage. I didn't say anything about extremists.

Here's the "hint" to which I was referring:
Does CNN tell us here that any of the men are Muslim, or Islamic?
You have to read for a good while to even get a hint.

Sisko didn't mention extremists either. Where are you getting this?

Glen Beck is an OPINION SHOW. Just like Bill O and Hannity and Colmes.

When CNN presents the news, they often do it in a liberal light.


Only by the voices in your head.




1. Yeah, that Glen Beck is soooooooooooo "liberal"... :rolleyes:
2. Conservatives are the best friends to terrorists. They gave into Bin Laden's demands and built a Disneyland for Terrorists out of Iraq, just so they could have Americans close at hand to kill.

When CNN presents the news, they often do it in a liberal light.

And your examples of that would be............?

______________________________

Today in the US, the major media are nothing short of a national thought-control police. They're owned or controlled by dominant large corporations --the kind Noam Chomsky calls "private tyrannies"-- grown increasingly concentrated over time and having a stranglehold over the kinds of information reaching the public. It has given them and the monied interests they represent the power to destroy the free marketplace of ideas essential to a healthy democracy; a democracy now on life support in large measure because of how effective they are.

And your examples of that would be............?
I've seen plenty of CNN anchors in blue suits but none in red. That's blatant bias.

I've seen plenty of CNN anchors in blue suits but none in red. That's blatant bias.

Ahhhh.......so THAT is the 'liberal bias' he keep mindlessly nattering on about.

Glen Beck is an OPINION SHOW.

Nonsense, he is in a primetime slot on CNN HEADLINE NEWS.

Why does that have to explicitly stated?

awesome avatar Jester

Nonsense, he is in a primetime slot on CNN HEADLINE NEWS.

Does that mean that opinion section in my NEWSpaper isn't really opinion? This whole idea that the bias of a news organization can be shown by the existance of a commentator with a particular point of view is silly anyway. My local paper is very liberal and they have a conservative political cartoonist. The paper where I used to live was very conservative and has a raging liberal political cartoonist. NPR does a particular segment wherein they bring in a liberal and a conservative commentator. The conservative is from the New York Times and the liberal is from the Washington Post.

Nonsense, he is in a primetime slot on CNN HEADLINE NEWS.

the thing you never seem to understand is that all the people you say are conservatives never deny it. You are not cracking some big conspiracy when you notice Beck and Hannity are conservative. In fact that is the whole point of their show. The problem with the left wing media is that they try to claim they are objective, which they are not. Now if Beck and hannity came on and pretended tehy didnt have an opinion on issues, like obviously left wing Dan Rather does, then you may have a point.

Does that mean that opinion section in my NEWSpaper isn't really opinion?


Here is the difference.

In your newspaper, opinion is clearly labeled as opinion.

Can anyone show me where the label is disclaiming that Glen Beck is not "News" but is instead merely "opinion"???

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/glenn.beck/

Is it the big banner in the upper right that reads "Headline News"???

If someone could show me that would be great because I don't see anything that makes that disclaimer.

Ahhhh.......so THAT is the 'liberal bias' he keep mindlessly nattering on about.

He's just a nattering nabob of negativism.

Here is the difference.

In your newspaper, opinion is clearly labeled as opinion.

Can anyone show me where the label is disclaiming that Glen Beck is not "News" but is instead merely "opinion"???

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/glenn.beck/

Is it the big banner in the upper right that reads "Headline News"???

If someone could show me that would be great because I don't see anything that makes that disclaimer.

You're right. The vast right wing conspiracy is attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of the American Public by putting a right wing show on a station with the word "news" in its title, and have apparently succeeded in your case.

gmsisko, in so many words.

Who's too stupid to realize it?..... Oh wait.. you are...

perhaps in your biased interpretation, causing your normal sarcastic, italics, labeling method...

the fact remains.. you said it

Who is dancing around the subject?.. oh wait... that's you

You're right.

I know. :thumbs:

The vast right wing conspiracy is attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of the American Public by putting a right wing show on a station with the word "news" in its title, and have apparently succeeded in your case.

"Attempting"? No, this has been going on for decades, ever since they turned News into Entertainment.

Go watch the movie "Network". It is a great movie about exactly this topic.
People like yourself remind me very much of Faye Dunaway's character... amoral, desensitized to violence, incapable of compassion and convinced that profit is a virtue unto itself...in other words, conservative values.

maybe you should go watch the movie Jackass, it reminds me very much of you.

Actually, on a side note, I know the guy from Jackass, Chris Pontius. We used to hang out together in high school. He is really the only famous person I know. I am sure Dhrama knows many, many celebritys though.

maybe you should go watch the movie jackass, it reminds me very much of you.

Way to copy my insults, you unoriginal Troll.

lol, you are one dumb bastard. I didnt copy you, copying is what you do, when you say word for word the same thing someone else just said. What I did was take your pathetic insult and change it to smoke your sissy ass with. You are not capable of such things as your about as deep as a puddle.

the very fact that you say i copied you is copying me.

I didnt copy you,

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more pathetic... :rolleyes:

maybe you should go watch the movie Jackass, it reminds me very much of you.

Actually, on a side note, I know the guy from Jackass, Chris Pontius. We used to hang out together in high school. He is really the only famous person I know. I am sure Dhrama knows many, many celebritys though.
i drove Bam's lambo...it was only into the garage, but it was still cool:)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/mikezila_bucket/120406_08591.jpg

and Reba said i was cute...it was '94, and i think she was three sheets to the wind, but i'll take it:thumbs:

I know the guy from Jackass, Chris Pontius. We used to hang out together in high school.

ROFL!!!

That is completely unsuprising that you would hang around with a bunch of idiots who proudly call themselves "jackasses".

You fit right in.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more pathetic... :rolleyes:
that should be a relief to you...you're way more pathetic than any of us mere mortals could ever hope to be.

this was years before the movie Jackass even came out. And it wasnt a bunch of guys, it was one guy who happened to be on the show/movie later in life.

that should be a relief to you...

Go back to ignoring me.
The only time you say anything remotely intelligent to me is when you keep silent.

[QUOTE=dharmabum]Here is the difference.

In your newspaper, opinion is clearly labeled as opinion.

Can anyone show me where the label is disclaiming that Glen Beck is not "News" but is instead merely "opinion"???

News is what an Anchor does.
An anchor isn't permitted an " opinion ",except possibly in his
last closing segment.
Beck Takes what's IN the news and adds his POV.
Like Hannity or O'Reilly.
Got it.

Go back to ignoring me.
The only time you say anything remotely intelligent to me is when you keep silent.
at least i have "remotely":lolhit:

I am afraid dharma is in way over his head if he wants to match wits with you mikezilla. the guy has the mind of a second grader when it comes to put downs and quick comebacks.

I am afraid dharma is in way over his head if he wants to match wits with you mikezilla. the guy has the mind of a second grader when it comes to put downs and quick comebacks.
he'd be in over his head in a bird bath. he can't tell the difference between news, and news commentary.

News is what an Anchor does.
An anchor isn't permitted an " opinion ",except possibly in his
last closing segment.
Beck Takes what's IN the news and adds his POV.
Like Hannity or O'Reilly.


...and just like every "anchor" on Fox News. They all intersperse the news with their opinions. That is the whole point, it is all entertainment now.
"News" as an objective source of information no longer exists. Now we have an entertainment industry that caters to market segments.

that's true

when it comes to put downs and quick comebacks.

And that is why you are nothing but a joke.
While some of us are engaging in conversation and debate, you children are running around disrupting the board by spewing "put downs" and "comebacks".

see what I mean?

see what I mean?

I see better than you could ever hope to, kiddo... :thumbs:

Two days after the fact, you don't hear it reported on CNN very often at all.

You have to look long and hard to find it mentioned on most major news papers. This is a very very important issue on the war on terror, and the liberal media barely mentions it.


Well of course but sisko said "You have to read for a good while to even get a hint", and their last names were a hint. I don't think 20 sentences or so is THAT long.

Your statement below is false.

You don't see the news anchor on Fox news giving their opinon very often.

(don't try to tell me about Beck (CNN) Hannity, Bill o exc those are opinion shows)


...and just like every "anchor" on Fox News. They all intersperse the news with their opinions. That is the whole point, it is all entertainment now.
"News" as an objective source of information no longer exists. Now we have an entertainment industry that caters to market segments.

Yep!

he'd be in over his head in a bird bath. he can't tell the difference between news, and news commentary.

Your statement below is false.

You are wrong, as usual.


You don't see the news anchor on Fox news giving their opinon very often.

Yes, actually you see it constantly.


(don't try to tell me about Beck (CNN) Hannity, Bill o exc those are opinion shows)

No, they are not. You are wrong. They get away with what they do by claiming to be "entertainment".

They purposely blur the lines between news and opinion in order to appeal to a certain market segment.

They take what's in the news and offer their opinion in the form of an argument? What's so hard to understand about that? Or must they lead off every sentence with "In my opinion..." Fox even has the tagline, "News and Opinion". It's not like they're trying to hide anything.

Fox even has the tagline, "News and Opinion". It's not like they're trying to hide anything.

Actually their Orwellean tag line is "Fair and Balanced"

Yeah... they aren't trying to hide anything... :rolleyes:

Two days after the fact, you don't hear it reported on CNN very often at all.

You have to look long and hard to find it mentioned on most major news papers. This is a very very important issue on the war on terror, and the liberal media barely mentions it.

.........a "very very important issue on the war on terror"......?!

:rolleyes:

I would say that it has precious little to do with any supposed "War on Terror".

It is of little importance.

The plans --such as they were-- were not operational, and these guys had no weapons.

It seems now to be --much like the situation a while back with a few "plotters" in Chicago-- much ado about nothing.

They were apparently a few rogue elements with dangerous sounding plans but with very very little chance of actually carrying them out.

Yaaaaaaaaawn.