Is sex and religion compatable?

As an old fellow, sex is just not that important. As a young fellow most of my prayers to God had to do with "cuties" of the opposite sex. I guess it was, "The Paradise on Earth" sort of thing :) you know how it is :) (if you are a guy).

Paul in the Christian Bible seemed to indicate that sex for "Procreation" was acceptable, but that was it. Only for "Procreation".

In all fairness Paul also said that if you can't be "celibate", then you should get married :)

Anyway, what do you guys think? Can we be sexually active (not for procreative reasons :) ) and still be religious?

Tucker58

this goes back to a perfect god who makes sex feel so good and yet only wants us to have sex to get pregnant once a year. HMMM??

Well, considering how low a probability a child used to have of surviving, and the fact that we can only usually have one child at a time, I think it would be smart to make people want to do it as much as possible.

From an evolutionary standpoint sex is so freaking awesome because our only goal in life is to reproduce. Kinda like Evil said.

Of course, at least in Christianity, sex is a sin unless it is specifically for procreation, and your not supposed to enjoy it.

Two very different ways of going about it. Granted most sex is for pleasure and not for procreation. So either way you look at it its kinda contrary.

I think sex and religion can be compatible but it depends upon the individual and their take on God.

If one believes what Christ said that the greatest gift of the spirit is love then having sex can easily be a celebration of that love as well as a celebration of life and the gift of the body to receive pleasure.

However mankind always finds a way to wreck things so.....

Anyway, what do you guys think? Can we be sexually active (not for procreative reasons :) ) and still be religious?
I'll say it depends on what your definition of "being religious" is. Whether the person has to completely follow the scripture or not. Most people don't anyway, and they consider themselves religious nontheless.

i dont no.my gurlfrend ash wants 2. i do 2 . i go 2 church n my yuth grup leader says its a sin. he said god will turn his back on me if i do n ill go 2 hell. like adam n eve did.

i dont no.my gurlfrend ash wants 2. i do 2 . i go 2 church n my yuth grup leader says its a sin. he said god will turn his back on me if i do n ill go 2 hell. like adam n eve did.
God doesn't turn his back on anyone. You can always be forgiven. :)

he turnd his back on adam n eve. he kickd them out of a gardn n didnt forgive them. do u think hed forgive me if i did have sex?

Don't do it. Satan might enter your penis and turn it inside out, and change your semen into acid. Trust me, it's no joy ride getting that stuff reversed.

he turnd his back on adam n eve. he kickd them out of a gardn n didnt forgive them. do u think hed forgive me if i did have sex?
If god hadn't forgiven them, why did he show them how to make clothes when they left the garden? And why did he allow them to live and not just make new humans? He even gave them a third son (Seth) to replace Abel after Cain killed him.

Of course God would forgive you. I personally don't think that he cares about premarital sex all that much. It's like a misdemeanor compared to felonies like murder. And if he does care he will forgive you. God wouldn't keep a genuinely good person from heaven for small transgressions.

Don't do it. Satan might enter your penis and turn it inside out, and change your semen into acid. Trust me, it's no joy ride getting that stuff reversed.
Stop that :p

Of course, at least in Christianity, sex is a sin unless it is specifically for procreation, and your not supposed to enjoy it.


Huh? That is sooo not true. Christianity does not teach that.

Or at least the bible doesn't. I can see that as an aspect of catholicism though. Catholicism has very little to do with the teachings of the bible.

Oh and I have to add that littlejoe, you are way to young to have sex regardless of what god thinks.

And I am in fact aware, godsandmen, that the Bible put forth that specific idea but I think that almost all sects of Christianity have adopted the idea for one reason or another.

he turnd his back on adam n eve. he kickd them out of a gardn n didnt forgive them. do u think hed forgive me if i did have sex?
You are WAY too young to be having sex, trust me on that one.

As I understand the story of Adam and Eve, God pretty much said, "Do whatever you want, but don't eat from this tree." And Adam and Eve, being dumbasses, ate from the tree even though God was pretty laissez-faire. Thus, God pretty much pwned them.

But that's all part of the Old Testament. Christianity isn't very concerned with the Old Testament, as most of the laws contained therein were superseded by the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ preached love and compassion, and so does the God that Christians worship. Because of this, as I understand it, God will forgive you if you have a good heart and try to do well. In other words, having sex, though it may be a bad thing to do, doesn't make you a bad person. However, blithely ignoring the rule "Don't have sex" by saying, "You know what? I don't really care what God and Jesus think about this, I'll do it anyway." That's bad. By doing it in that fashion, it's a lot different than intending not to do it, but being too weak to resist. You should certainly make the effort to do well, but you're only human, subject to the limitations God granted you. So don't do it, but don't freak out and feel horribly guilty if you do.

Oh, and I'm not a Christian, so I may be way off base here. This is just my interpretation. :)

Religion aside, you're too young to have sex. You hear me? As an aside, what do you know about condoms?

Here are the lyrics to Steve Vai's Sex and Religion (from the 1993 album of the same name).
Good stuff.

Sex and Religion

What do you think you got
When you thought you had a lot
But all your feelings are dead?
And who do you think you are
When you're reaching for the stars
But all your feelings are dead?

Must you make a decision
Between sex and religion
Why can't you love God in your bed?

Well, Jesus Christ
Is in your bed tonight
To bring you back from the dead

How are you gonna fight
For what you think is right
If all your feelings are dead?

And what can you know of love,
From the eyes of a child to the heavens above
When all your feelings are dead?

It's a tragic condition
Sex and religion
Makin' a manic mess in your head

Jesus Christ
Is in your bed tonight
To bring you back from the dead
Jesus Christ
Or any son of the heatless light
When all your feelings are dead

Resurrection!

I raise my hand high up into the air
Get down on my knees
And then I start a-prayin'
When love walks in
My body begins
I feel my promised land comin'
But I gotta go to hell now
And those creatures
Evangelist preachers
The ones that take money
For the promise of hope
Well, they are dangerous
I'm not dangerous
Brain washing us
And we're not gonna take it

I just wanna know
Oh Lord how is it so
How is it that you can take my sins away?

Oh Lord tell me
So I can see the light again
I don't think anybody can take my sins away

But how can the truth be known
If we got little black holes in our souls
And all our feelings are dead?

Are we imprisoned by sex and religion
Or is God the one that's trapped in our mess?

So remember folks
When you kneel to pray
Blow a little kiss to the hypocrites
Good God knows when you turn the other cheek
Which direction you're pointing it

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Or at least the bible doesn't. I can see that as an aspect of catholicism though. Catholicism has very little to do with the teachings of the bible.

Yeah, Catholicism, my bad. Granted I'm pretty sure somewhere in the OT it says something of the such about sex.

Yeah, Catholicism, my bad. Granted I'm pretty sure somewhere in the OT it says something of the such about sex.
Like Borg mentioned, Christianity isn't too concerned with the OT. They mostly use it to get children's stories to tell in Sunday school as far as I can tell. :p

You are WAY too young to be having sex, trust me on that one.

As I understand the story of Adam and Eve, God pretty much said, "Do whatever you want, but don't eat from this tree." And Adam and Eve, being dumbasses, ate from the tree even though God was pretty laissez-faire. Thus, God pretty much pwned them.

But that's all part of the Old Testament. Christianity isn't very concerned with the Old Testament, as most of the laws contained therein were superseded by the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ preached love and compassion, and so does the God that Christians worship. Because of this, as I understand it, God will forgive you if you have a good heart and try to do well. In other words, having sex, though it may be a bad thing to do, doesn't make you a bad person. However, blithely ignoring the rule "Don't have sex" by saying, "You know what? I don't really care what God and Jesus think about this, I'll do it anyway." That's bad. By doing it in that fashion, it's a lot different than intending not to do it, but being too weak to resist. You should certainly make the effort to do well, but you're only human, subject to the limitations God granted you. So don't do it, but don't freak out and feel horribly guilty if you do.

Oh, and I'm not a Christian, so I may be way off base here. This is just my interpretation. :)

Religion aside, you're too young to have sex. You hear me? As an aside, what do you know about condoms?
yes sir. i dont no. i no u shuld ware them.they pick on me n call me virgin n say if u dont do ash i will.i laff but it bugs me. i dont want god mad at me. i try 2 b a good guy

Littlejoe, you're very young. Making out and a little bit of fooling around should be enough for you for at least the next two years or so. :p And don't listen to those guys; if they're your age I bet they're virgins too.

some r some r oldr.its the oldr 1s that say they r going 2 take ash from me

Humm? :) There is no sex in Heaven, but there is in Paradise. :)

I have to say that everybody's input is very well said. And the truth is that I agree with everybody. I remember when sex was a mystery to me as a younger person and now as an older person there is no mystery. From a medical stand point men who get sex on a regular bases don't get prostate cancer and they also live significantly longer that men who don't.

Personally I think that prostitution should be legal, for male health reasons. I don't think that that is compatable with "religion". We may all have to join BorgHunters religion :)

Tucker58

some r some r oldr.its the oldr 1s that say they r going 2 take ash from me
They're just blowing smoke.

If you look at the physical body as an earthly "type" of the spiritual body, sex takes on a whole new symbolic significance. The union of physical bodies, and the ecstatic experience thereof, can be understood as symbolic of the union of the human spirit with the spirit of God. The bible speaks of the marriage of the bride (the church) and the bridegroom (christ), that is yet to take place. One can assume that it will be one heavenuva wedding night!

The idea of physical sexual ecstasy as symbolic of the spiritual ecstasy resulting from union with God has long been spoken of by mystics of nearly all religious persuations. Tantric Hinduism is an obvious example, but there are many others. The Song of Solomon in the bible is a christian example of this.


And by the way, it is untrue to state that christianity more or less disregards the Old Testament. That's nonsence. Christianity embraces the Old Testament, but sees it in the light of the New Testament. To disregard the Old Testament would be like jerking the foundation out from under a tall building - the whole thing would come crashing down.

Besides, if Ash really would go with them, then she's a skank that wasn't worth it anyway. Either you wait and she's worth it, or she leave's and she wasn't. Either way, you don't really lose.

Besides, if Ash really would go with them, then she's a skank that wasn't worth it anyway. Either you wait and she's worth it, or she leave's and she wasn't. Either way, you don't really lose.
yes sir. ur right.shes not a skank.BorgHunter is right they r picken on me.i hope they r. i dont like it.

If you look at the physical body as an earthly "type" of the spiritual body, sex takes on a whole new symbolic significance. The union of physical bodies, and the ecstatic experience thereof, can be understood as symbolic of the union of the human spirit with the spirit of God. The bible speaks of the marriage of the bride (the church) and the bridegroom (christ), that is yet to take place. One can assume that it will be one heavenuva wedding night!

The idea of physical sexual ecstasy as symbolic of the spiritual ecstasy resulting from union with God has long been spoken of by mystics of nearly all religious persuations. Tantric Hinduism is an obvious example, but there are many others. The Song of Solomon in the bible is a christian example of this.


And by the way, it is untrue to state that christianity more or less disregards the Old Testament. That's nonsence. Christianity embraces the Old Testament, but sees it in the light of the New Testament. To disregard the Old Testament would be like jerking the foundation out from under a tall building - the whole thing would come crashing down.

Gods and Men, that was interesting! Except for Tantric Yoga, I agree with what you have posted. True Tantric Yoga is a yoga system that brings the male and female into a state of "one" in both partners. It is not actually about sex. Althought some do promote it that way :) Basically it is about the "Union of Loving Hugs" which brings one it to the Divine where there is no separation as male and female, both in self and in the Divine.

So just for fun what about this: In each of the pores of our skin there is both a sweat gland and a "pheromone" gland. :) If one was to stand next to someone of the opposite sex who has set off their pheromone glands, you are a goner nomatter how old you are after puberty ( :) Luckly most people don't know how to do that on purpose). Because pheromone is a drug, one could conclude that sexual ecstasy is a drug induced experience and has nothing to do with God or religion.

I don't know, what do you guys think? Input?

Tucker58

So just for fun what about this: In each of the pores of our skin there is both a sweat gland and a "pheromone" gland. :) If one was to stand next to someone of the opposite sex who has set off their pheromone glands, you are a goner nomatter how old you are after puberty ( :) Luckly most people don't know how to do that on purpose). Because pheromone is a drug, one could conclude that sexual ecstasy is a drug induced experience and has nothing to do with God or religion.

I don't know, what do you guys think? Input?

Tucker58

What do I think? Well, I think if you know how to do that you are one lucky sod for stumbling into this forum because if you share how I am about to make you independantly wealthy!!!!!!!!!!

As for sexual ecstasy being a chemical reaction, yep that is likely. Pass the chemicals... :D

BorgHunter Sir, can I post this?:

Tucker58 "gently" snifs the air to see if Warrior is present. She is dangerious you know :)

Fine I am having too much fun :)

Tucker58

Sex and religion compatible? Most of the worlds population subscribes to one religion, or another, and the worlds population is constantly on the rise.
THEY MUST BE.

What do I think? Well, I think if you know how to do that you are one lucky sod for stumbling into this forum because if you share how I am about to make you independantly wealthy!!!!!!!!!!

As for sexual ecstasy being a chemical reaction, yep that is likely. Pass the chemicals... :D

Hi Sal (no pun intended :) )! I do know how that it is done. The problem is that as with any other drug you build up a resistance to it. And it makes those of the opposite sex around one angry and combative with each other. It brings out primitive passions with very little social sense attached, which is why it is not actually commercial in a civilized society. But thank you Sal for the offer it is appreciated!

Do you remember being a young fellow around a "Hot" chick :)

Tucker58

Sex and religion compatible? Most of the worlds population subscribes to one religion, or another, and the worlds population is constantly on the rise.
THEY MUST BE.

Hi Moderate! How about this angle just for fun: Is religion and politics compatible? :) And then maybe this: Is religion, politics, and sex, compatible?

Revelation the bible book :) refers to the "whore of Babylon". Is it possible that some time in the future somebody is going to try to create a society where religion, politics, and sex (sex means: Whatever strikes your fancy) are compatible? :)

Input, anybody?

Tucker58

Hi Sal (no pun intended :)
Do you remember being a young fellow around a "Hot" chick :)

Tucker58

Probably not, since Sal is a woman......

Probably not, since Sal is a woman......

Ack! I thought she was a duck!

/waves at Sal

:flowers:

A friend of mine, a very religious person, believes there needs to be as he puts it, a 'sexual revolution' in the christian community. Basically he just thinks people need to not be so uptight about the idea of having sex for fun.

Ack! I thought she was a duck!

/waves at Sal

:flowers:

Oops, my bad....she's a girl duck.

:)
Kimi

Hi Sal (no pun intended :) )! I do know how that it is done. The problem is that as with any other drug you build up a resistance to it. And it makes those of the opposite sex around one angry and combative with each other. It brings out primitive passions with very little social sense attached, which is why it is not actually commercial in a civilized society. But thank you Sal for the offer it is appreciated!

Do you remember being a young fellow around a "Hot" chick :)

Tucker58

Thanks for the info although the independently wealthy issue is now "off the table"... and I guess you know now by the other threads... some females enjoy sex too... :D

Originally posted by mskimi
Probably not, since Sal is a woman......
Yesterday 02:46 PM

Originally posted by OldPhart
Ack! I thought she was a duck!
/waves at Sal

Originally posted by mskimi

Oops, my bad....she's a girl duck
Kimi

You guys quack me up.... okay, okay, I know that was really lame.... Curtsies to Kimi and hobbles from the room waving at Oldphart...

Thanks for the info although the independently wealthy issue is now "off the table"... and I guess you know now by the other threads... some females enjoy sex too... :D







You guys quack me up.... okay, okay, I know that was really lame.... Curtsies to Kimi and hobbles from the room waving at Oldphart...


Anything I can do to help, Sal....didn't want anybody thinking you're a boy.

:)
Kimi

Thanks for the info although the independently wealthy issue is now "off the table"... and I guess you know now by the other threads... some females enjoy sex too... :D

That may be true Sal, but it is a "sin" you know :) if you are a girl! :)

The next thing that I am going to find out that BorgHunter is an "exotic dancer" with a Phd.

Ok now warrior is a girl, sal is a girl, MsKimi is a girl, and Borghunter is a cross dresser. Ok guys I am now in the "loop :) !

Tucker58

That may be true Sal, but it is a "sin" you know :) if you are a girl! :)

The next thing that I am going to find out that BorgHunter is an "exotic dancer" with a Phd.

Ok now warrior is a girl, sal is a girl, MsKimi is a girl, and Borghunter is a cross dresser. Ok guys I am now in the "loop :) !

Tucker58
AUGH! Now I feel compelled to set the record straight. I'm not an exotic dancer...well, maybe for some people I could be...::eyes Sal::...Ahem. I'm not a cross-dresser either. And I don't have a Ph.D.! (Yet.) ;)

What is fun Sal is that you are very careful about who you are around when you give off "pheromones". You are one of those people who knows how to do it :)

So my question now is: "Can guys give off "pheromones" that attract guys?"

If I was totally "rogue" :) I would say that BorgHunter is being studied :) because we know that he is totally normal. :)

And this question comes up :) : In a "religion sense": "Is it incompatable in a "religion sense", to bend over infront of a guy whether you are a man or a woman?"

All my life I have been "focused" on women. But at the sametime, I have had to duck men. The question is: "Was it pheromones?" Is there more to this than just pheromones?

Just for the record, "All Forums" is probably the only place on the internet that I can get some rational input about this question and this question also has to do with life in general and "is sex and religion compatable".

Jesus told the leper to "sin no more". Leperosy was actually mankinds first AIDs. And actually all sexually transmitted diseases, except leperosy, came from animals, not people. Sysphilis came from camels, gonorrhea came from sheep, herpies came from horses, and AIDs, as we now know it, came from both chimpanzees and gorillas (there are two kinds you know).

So I guess this brings up the question :) at what point does "sex" become incompatible to religion?

Input? Anybody?

Tucker58

AUGH! Now I feel compelled to set the record straight. I'm not an exotic dancer...well, maybe for some people I could be...::eyes Sal::...Ahem. I'm not a cross-dresser either. And I don't have a Ph.D.! (Yet.) ;)

I love you BorgHunter :) it takes "balls" and a cool head (no pun intended) to be an administrator! If a messageboard is successfull :) and loved, which "All Forums" is, successful and loved!

Tucker58

AUGH! Now I feel compelled to set the record straight. I'm not an exotic dancer...well, maybe for some people I could be...::eyes Sal::...Ahem. I'm not a cross-dresser either. And I don't have a Ph.D.! (Yet.) ;)

When you get your PHD, you can dance for me baby... by then you should be old enough that I won't get charged... :D

What is fun Sal is that you are very careful about who you are around when you give off "pheromones". You are one of those people who knows how to do it :)
Hm... From what you've posted here it sounds like you are saying that pheromones can be transmitted electronically... or... somehow picked up on through indirect communication such as the keyed word?

So my question now is: "Can guys give off "pheromones" that attract guys?"
Well logic would say yes, since there are homosexuals attracted to other homosexuals. However one of my girls friends who is gay, asked me if I would be interested in a relationship with her. I said no thanks and explained I was quite heterosexual and she was cool with that. So we must give off pheromones all the time.

If they are messages sent and received obviously they can misinterpreted, no?

If I was totally "rogue" :) I would say that BorgHunter is being studied :) because we know that he is totally normal. :) If you think Borgie is totally normal you got the wrong message there too. :D

And this question comes up :) : In a "religion sense": "Is it incompatable in a "religion sense", to bend over infront of a guy whether you are a man or a woman?" Well hopefully we are a little more evolved than chimps which "display" their interest.




All my life I have been "focused" on women. But at the sametime, I have had to duck men. The question is: "Was it pheromones?" Is there more to this than just pheromones? Leave us ducks alone!

Yes, what exactly is a pheromone? A quick google says it's a way of communicating. But is sounds as though it is not just sexual although that seems to be most of the focus.

Perhaps it is about survival. Groups that are attracted to (like) each other, would tend to defend liked individuals. Survival of the fittest (best pheromones) survival of the group equals survival of the species.

I am just pulling this out of thin air here tucker... you said you wanted feed back.... so....


Just for the record, "All Forums" is probably the only place on the internet that I can get some rational input about this question and this question also has to do with life in general and "is sex and religion compatable". Hm... we'll see....



Jesus told the leper to "sin no more". Leperosy was actually mankinds first AIDs. And actually all sexually transmitted diseases, except leperosy, came from animals, not people. Sysphilis came from camels, gonorrhea came from sheep, herpies came from horses, and AIDs, as we now know it, came from both chimpanzees and gorillas (there are two kinds you know).

So I guess this brings up the question :) at what point does "sex" become incompatible to religion?

Input? Anybody?

Tucker58 My brain is taxed enough right now. That is a lot of information in one post... I'll leave this bottom part for now... see what others have to say first.

When you get your PHD, you can dance for me baby... by then you should be old enough that I won't get charged... :D
I'm legal in all 50 states. ;)

When you get your PHD, you can dance for me baby... by then you should be old enough that I won't get charged... :D

Watch your step Sal :) BorgHunter is one of those kids that are really bright!

:) Tucker58

Hm... From what you've posted here it sounds like you are saying that pheromones can be transmitted electronically... or... somehow picked up on through indirect communication such as the keyed word?


Well logic would say yes, since there are homosexuals attracted to other homosexuals. However one of my girls friends who is gay, asked me if I would be interested in a relationship with her. I said no thanks and explained I was quite heterosexual and she was cool with that. So we must give off pheromones all the time.

If they are messages sent and received obviously they can misinterpreted, no?

If you think Borgie is totally normal you got the wrong message there too. :D

Well hopefully we are a little more evolved than chimps which "display" their interest.




Leave us ducks alone!

Yes, what exactly is a pheromone? A quick google says it's a way of communicating. But is sounds as though it is not just sexual although that seems to be most of the focus.

Perhaps it is about survival. Groups that are attracted to (like) each other, would tend to defend liked individuals. Survival of the fittest (best pheromones) survival of the group equals survival of the species.

I am just pulling this out of thin air here tucker... you said you wanted feed back.... so....


Hm... we'll see....



My brain is taxed enough right now. That is a lot of information in one post... I'll leave this bottom part for now... see what others have to say first.

Sal, I love you! You are very awake!

So guys? Anybody? What is the difference between a "homosexual" reality and having sex with aniimals?

Tucker58

Hm... From what you've posted here it sounds like you are saying that pheromones can be transmitted electronically... or... somehow picked up on through indirect communication such as the keyed word?

:) maybe :)

We know that there are pheromones Sal :) Can I or others get a virus/STD from internet sex? :)

That was abit creative, fair enough? But at the same time :) "How can one deck the internet with pictures?" "And how can one deck "Hollywood"? (the entainment industry) actually on purpose :) just with their presence or with pictures.

Sal, I can explain to you and viewing others how this is done. If you are interested? And I don't have to make any money off of it and you never have to meet me. :)

I can do this with words because you are awake :) fair enough? If you are interested? Nobody has ever been interested before.

Tucker58

So guys? Anybody? What is the difference between a "homosexual" reality and having sex with aniimals?
Adult homosexuals can consent, animals cannot.

BorgHunter, I have to ask this: Some young foks get their masters and Phd. with one thesis. :) what is your subject, relative to rathers and interest?

Son, yes we know each other from the past. But please don't ask me who I am. I am back and I am hiding out here :) I love "All forums.net", it is the most fun place on the internet.

Anyway Borgunter, you have the aptitude, I am just wondering what your Phd. masters subject is, realitive to interest and rathers?

Tucker58

Adult homosexuals can consent, animals cannot.

Have you ever tried to pork a camel :) It does require some concent :)

Tucker58

Have you ever tried to pork a camel :) It does require some concent :)

Tucker58
:lolhit:the voice of experience?

BorgHunter, I have to ask this: Some young foks get their masters and Phd. with one thesis. :) what is your subject, relative to rathers and interest?

Son, yes we know each other from the past. But please don't ask me who I am. I am back and I am hiding out here :) I love "All forums.net", it is the most fun place on the internet.

Anyway Borgunter, you have the aptitude, I am just wondering what your Phd. masters subject is, realitive to interest and rathers?

Tucker58
Computer Science is my major, and that is where my interest lies in general. I don't have any specificities as to career plan yet.

By the way, through the wonders of IP snooping, I am 95% sure I know who you are. So I won't ask you that. ;) But nor shall I tell.

:lolhit:the voice of experience?

Hi mikezila :) I saw that one coming :)

Thanks for not letting me down :)

Tucker58 :)

Computer Science is my major, and that is where my interest lies in general. I don't have any specificities as to career plan yet.

By the way, through the wonders of IP snooping, I am 95% sure I know who you are. So I won't ask you that. ;) But nor shall I tell.

Thanks Borghunter it is appreciated :)

Computer science. Humm? That is a ruff one. By the time you get to the point that you are working on a thesis God only knows what computer science will be like :) Everything that we know today is obsolete at least twice. My interest is robotic brains for androids. Self programing and the ability to grow memory as needed.

Relative to programming, God name YHVH is the foundation for the genitic code of "Life". Y = Signal, H = Rest, V = Back and Forth, H = Rest. H has to do with blank so to speak. You have Y and its H and then you have V and its H. The two Hs are different yet the same. If you have a look at the DNA strands you find four units as two pairs. Part of their order is programming and the other part is body functions. Now here is where things get interesting :) one pair YH is signal. The YH creates a light pattern that is system controls and system coordination. These light patterns then set off the VH which then gives off electro- magnetic frequencys. These electro-magnetic frequencys then stimulate the gadgetry that runs the body. No wires and very little heat :) The heat comes from tha body functions and the brain amplifier.

That is the simple version :) and relative to robotics is where your computer science is headed. Now here is where the challenge is: A program that simulates creativity that results in a self learning artificial mind.

And what is interesting is that it will have to be raised like a child. :) I love that part. Basically creating the mind for this robot is quite simple. If you were to look at it you would see a crystal sphere with a light show going on inside of it. But the real challenge is creating the self learning program.

You can't micro manage an android mind, reality is to complex. It has to be able to study us, to be functional.

Anyway Borghunter, my young friend, welcome to the future.

Tucker58

Who is the lead question aimed at, Roman Catholic Priests or something? Give me a break! I'm glad I'm not religious so I can have sex whenever it is appropriate for me and I don't have to worry about all the superstitious sexual hangups that some religious types tend to have, especially fundamentalists who follow the warped sexual logic of the Apostle Paul, who was seriously anti-sex, anti-woman, and judging by his perversion of Jesus of Nazareth's teachings: anti-Christ.

especially fundamentalists who follow the warped sexual logic of the Apostle Paul, who was seriously anti-sex, anti-woman, and judging by his perversion of Jesus of Nazareth's teachings: anti-Christ.
Good point!

Just imagine the Theistic scenario. You are in bed with your lover and are engaging in the Horizontal Polka with some abandon....and lo and behold! the cosmic voyeur (God) is hovering invisible in the vicinity scrutinizing all this and making sure 1) the person is your lawfully wedded spouse 2) you are in the authorized "missionary position" 3) you are in the proper orifice 4) you don't enjoy it overmuch and 5) you are using it only to procreate.....

Otherwise, if you are just having sex for fun....that's SINFUL! YEECH!

Thank God we have Christianity to teach our children the absolute horrors of everything Natural like the human body and sex! Otherwise, we might have been like the Polynesians running around naked and having casual sex just for pleasure and living in a society largely free of crime and violence....
God forbid! That cannot be!

As everybody knows, the sexual frustrated are likely to become highly violent (viz. the Muslim countries) and where violence exists people will die, and when people die, the clergy and God is needed!

See how wonderful God's plan is for his pathetic creation!

I don't really like how you call it the "theistic" scenario and then proceed to describe things that only involve belonging to a religion, not believing in god. I believe in god and I certainly don't restrict myself to sex within marriage/missionary position only! :D

Who is the lead question aimed at, Roman Catholic Priests or something? Give me a break! I'm glad I'm not religious so I can have sex whenever it is appropriate for me and I don't have to worry about all the superstitious sexual hangups that some religious types tend to have, especially fundamentalists who follow the warped sexual logic of the Apostle Paul, who was seriously anti-sex, anti-woman, and judging by his perversion of Jesus of Nazareth's teachings: anti-Christ.

I love you NightHawk! And again you have posted words of wisdom :)

The contribution that Paul made to Christianity (Granted it was his version :) ) was that he made Jesus available to everybody, not just the Jews. And about sex: This is what I love about Mohammed, he focused the goal and reward on "Paradise", not Heaven. He knew that if you can get them into "Paradise", that they will eventually work their way into Heaven. There is no sex in Heaven, but there is in "Paradice". And "Paradise" is where one works out the last of one's "this world's" desires :)

So NightHawk have you ever considered becoming a Moslum :) ? Islam was Mohammed's answer to what you posted above. Your complaint about Christianity "has" be around for quite awhile you know :)

Tucker58 :)

I believe in god and I certainly don't restrict myself to sex within marriage/missionary position only! :D

Oh DarkFantasy, you are a sinner :) ! OH MY! :)

Tucker58 :)

America's pres just vetoed a bill that expands "Stem Cell Research."

Sex and Religion :)

So we have sex for fun, sex to procreate, and sex to make money?

What percentage of the money does the man get? What percentage of the money does the gal get (after all she is the one that gets probed both times :) )?

After all farming fetuses is going to be good money :)

I understand the medicine behind what they are doing :) And yes they are right, it will work and has been proven to work. And there is a bunch of other stuff that fetuses can be shifted into that will also work :) ain't life grand :)

A really screwed, just "getting started baby", can save a "really srewed someother human" (maybe animals :) ) by sacrificing their life without actually agreeing to do it :) I love that part :) Guys, I am running out of my "simily" quotient.

Is sex for body parts, when the result (folks), who are involved, as a result, have no idea what they have been "farmed" for, "and" ain't a part of the decision making process, compatable with any sane human being? Hillary Clinton excluded, :) she is a god in American politics and nobody wants to piss her off.

Input?

Thcker58

hehehe I don;t have the time to read this whole post right this minute but definately want to make a comment on the subject line.

I sure hope not,, cuz then "religion" may die out.. ---oooooo aaaaaa eeeee oooooo hehhehe

We need more spirituality, and religion often times stands in direct conflict of that.

hehehe I don;t have the time to read this whole post right this minute but definately want to make a comment on the subject line.

I sure hope not,, cuz then "religion" may die out.. ---oooooo aaaaaa eeeee oooooo hehhehe

We need more spirituality, and religion often times stands in direct conflict of that.

Hi FlyingFree :) You are a thinker and have a keen grasp of things. :)

So my question to you would be, "Define 'spirituality' ?' Your version.

So guys what is your version of "Spirituality"? FlyingFree is right, there is a difference between those who have "Spirituality" and those who have just "Religion" :) There is you know!

Tucker58

Well, I don't know about the Bible's stance but I do know that in Islam, if a young person reached an age where they can marry, then they're encouraged to do so, and to enjoy sex as well. It's the right of each spouse, and they have the right to ask for it and to enjoy it.
The only sin is sex out of marriage. Condoms are allowed too. You're encouraged to reproduce, too.

Note: This is the Sunni Islamic outlook. Shia's are way different

If sex and religion are incompatible how do you explain my record profits for the priest/nun porn offered on "Kingdom-of-Come.net.my/ohyes"? This is going to pay for college.

I differentiate between adultry and fornication. Adultry breaks up families. Fornication does not. I would honestly be more worried about my kids if they hadn't had sex before marriage than if they had. Sex is natural and part of life.

I differentiate between adultry and fornication. Adultry breaks up families. Fornication does not. I would honestly be more worried about my kids if they hadn't had sex before marriage than if they had. Sex is natural and part of life.

Well except Frogger sometimes adultery is simply fornication and sometimes fornication leads to adultery which can break up families.

But I agree with your point for the most part that if kids have not had sex before marriage (generally speaking) there may well be something to worry about.

The two are different, Sal. Fornication is unmarried sex. Adultry is sex with a married person. Adultry can never be simple fornication.

The two are different, Sal. Fornication is unmarried sex. Adultry is sex with a married person. Adultry can never be simple fornication.
Ok, let me think about it further. I'll get back to you.

I've heard that Slipknot is the way to Paradise. It means, anybody who rely only Allah must fast completely for a month to go to heaven. But Fatima suggested an idea that fasting only while daytime for life and cheating to Allah. Therefore, they never go to paradise.
Suicide bomb is mistaken belief that to death for Allah and to go to Paradise. Allah doesn't want death by terrolism but wants death by fast.
Study on dawn of Islamism indicates the rule.

The two are different, Sal.
But both are absolutely fantastic.

I've heard that Slipknot is the way to Paradise. It means, anybody who rely only Allah must fast completely for a month to go to heaven. But Fatima suggested an idea that fasting only while daytime for life and cheating to Allah. Therefore, they never go to paradise.
Suicide bomb is mistaken belief that to death for Allah and to go to Paradise. Allah doesn't want death by terrolism but wants death by fast.
Study on dawn of Islamism indicates the rule.

...Okay :D
Maybe since I was a Muslim for 19 years I don't know as much as you do about Islam, and I could be wrong here but... BULLSHIT!

Well, I don't know about the Bible's stance but I do know that in Islam, if a young person reached an age where they can marry, then they're encouraged to do so, and to enjoy sex as well. It's the right of each spouse, and they have the right to ask for it and to enjoy it.
The only sin is sex out of marriage. Condoms are allowed too. You're encouraged to reproduce, too.

Note: This is the Sunni Islamic outlook. Shia's are way different

Innocent Sweety, I kneel at your feet! I actually kneel at all womens feet, they are a totally gift to mankind and they do keep us all honest.

You have presented an interesting reality here: The difference between the Sunni's and the Shites/Shia's

Mostly as a world community we are up to our necks in Shites/Shia's. We know that the Shia are a branch of Islam started by Mohammed's son in law. The Sunni side of things is from Mohammed's son. And the "Sunni" is a book that was added to the Koran. We also know that the Irag arabic Shia folk do not consider themselves Persian (Iran).

We also know that the Sunni are generally not poor and that the Shia are generally poor and seem to be easily manipulated.

We also know that Islam use to, in the beginning, kneel to Jeruselem. But Mohammed changed that to Mecca, because Abraham is, "The Father" of everybody living there, which personally I think was a good idea, all things considered.

I haven't read the Koran or the Suni, but I will the instant that they come into my hands in English, which I know will never be equal to Arabic. Assuming Inocent Sweety that you are Moslem, What english version of the Koran and Suni would you suggest, I read that is the closest to the Arabic?

Love,

Tucker58

...Okay :D
Maybe since I was a Muslim for 19 years I don't know as much as you do about Islam, and I could be wrong here but... BULLSHIT!

I wouldn't demand it because I'm not a religious person.:)

Guys, is there a topic/thread in this forum where you guys are dicussing the Moslem Faith?

Anybody?

Tucker58

I don't imagine there's any active threads out there, but you're more than welcome to resurrect a dead one if you've got something interesting to say.

Guys, is there a topic/thread in this forum where you guys are dicussing the Moslem Faith?

Anybody?

Tucker58

I started one a long time ago called "Islam". You're more than welcome to resurrect it if you've got something to say or to ask, or you can even start your own thread.

organized religion fucks you over ... so i guess they are

organized religion fucks you over ... so i guess they are

lol...ziiiiiing

I started one a long time ago called "Islam". You're more than welcome to resurrect it if you've got something to say or to ask, or you can even start your own thread.

Thank you Innocent, I will see if I can find it. I don't really know enough about Islam to have any questions :) (or comments). Mostly I just wanted to see what I could learn about It by reading a topic/thread where It is discussed.

Innocent is there any best english translation of the the Koran and the Suni? I know based on experience that the different english translations of the Christian bible do not say the same things.

Tucker58

Thank you Innocent, I will see if I can find it. I don't really know enough about Islam to have any questions :) (or comments). Mostly I just wanted to see what I could learn about It by reading a topic/thread where It is discussed.

Innocent is there any best english translation of the the Koran and the Suni? I know based on experience that the different english translations of the Christian bible do not say the same things.

Tucker58

I'd say this one is pretty good: http://www.quranenglish.com/

Take a look at these sites as well:

http://www.islamhouse.org/en/index.php

http://www.todayislam.com

http://www.beconvinced.com

http://www.thetruereligion.org

http://www.todayislam.com/yusuf.htm

http://www.it-is-truth.org

http://www.islamunveiled.org

http://www.discoverislam.com

http://www.lordswrds.com

http://www.plaintruth.org

http://www.islam-qa.com

http://www.sultan.org

http://www.prophetmuhammed.org

http://www.islam-guide.com

http://www.religionofislam.com/english/index.htm

http://lordswords.com/

Miracles in Islam, if you will:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Science/

http://www.onlineislamicstore.com/b2190.html

http://www.islamanswers.net/miracles/Quran.htm

And, the holy quran is translated in 18 different languages here:
http://www.geocities.com/muminah/AlQuranAlKareem.html

I'd say this one is pretty good: http://www.quranenglish.com/

Take a look at these sites as well:

http://www.islamhouse.org/en/index.php

http://www.todayislam.com

http://www.beconvinced.com

http://www.thetruereligion.org

http://www.todayislam.com/yusuf.htm

http://www.it-is-truth.org

http://www.islamunveiled.org

http://www.discoverislam.com

http://www.lordswrds.com

http://www.plaintruth.org

http://www.islam-qa.com

http://www.sultan.org

http://www.prophetmuhammed.org

http://www.islam-guide.com

http://www.religionofislam.com/english/index.htm

http://lordswords.com/

Miracles in Islam, if you will:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Science/

http://www.onlineislamicstore.com/b2190.html

http://www.islamanswers.net/miracles/Quran.htm

And, the holy quran is translated in 18 different languages here:
http://www.geocities.com/muminah/AlQuranAlKareem.html

Thank you Sweety! You gifts are appreciated!

I would like to say this: When a Moslem bows to Mecca five times a day, that they are doing a couple of Hatha Yoga poses/exersizes that are really great for the digestive system, the spinal column, and the immune system. And that if they wear a turban, that they are stimulating the area of the brain that Christian scripture, James 1:12, calls the Crown of Life.

And if they were to allow Heaven to flow from Heaven to their forehead and the center of their chest, that they would not only experience greatly extended life spans, but realitve to those that actually love Allah, Physical Immortality and Ascension. I love Mohammed, He was a gift to Mankind!

Sweety thanks for the addresses, may you and your loved ones be blessed and prosper!

Tucker58

Thank you Sweety! You gifts are appreciated!

I would like to say this: When a Moslem bows to Mecca five times a day, that they are doing a couple of Hatha Yoga poses/exersizes that are really great for the digestive system, the spinal column, and the immune system. And that if they wear a turban, that they are stimulating the area of the brain that Christian scripture, James 1:12, calls the Crown of Life.

And if they were to allow Heaven to flow from Heaven to their forehead and the center of their chest, that they would not only experience greatly extended life spans, but realitve to those that actually love Allah, Physical Immortality and Ascension. I love Mohammed, He was a gift to Mankind!

Sweety thanks for the addresses, may you and your loved ones be blessed and prosper!

Tucker58

You are most welcome! :D
You got that info from one of the sites I gave you?

You are most welcome! :D
You got that info from one of the sites I gave you?

Sweety that information is actually based on my yogi experience. And another thing that I find interesting is that when one "ascends" the first door that one steps through is "Paradise". :) I have spent my life studing the mystic experience, The Christian experience, the Hundu experience, and now thanks to your gifts will be studing the Islam experience. I am happy that you are a Suni because there should be more balance to the information than if you were Shia. Religion is my world. And "inter religious" dialog is an interesting challenge :) Hindu teaches about physical immortallity, Jesus actually was teaching about physical immortality, and I am expecting Mohammed to have placed physical immortality in Islam.

I don't actually want to be physically immortal, but Paradise :) appeals to me (I have visited it and it is real) and I do love God.

Tucker58

Sweety that information is actually based on my yogi experience. And another thing that I find interesting is that when one "ascends" the first door that one steps through is "Paradise". :) I have spent my life studing the mystic experience, The Christian experience, the Hundu experience, and now thanks to your gifts will be studing the Islam experience. I am happy that you are a Suni because there should be more balance to the information than if you were Shia. Religion is my world. And "inter religious" dialog is an interesting challenge :) Hindu teaches about physical immortallity, Jesus actually was teaching about physical immortality, and I am expecting Mohammed to have placed physical immortality in Islam.

I don't actually want to be physically immortal, but Paradise :) appeals to me (I have visited it and it is real) and I do love God.

Tucker58

What do you mean by physical immortality? I realize you don't mean it in the literal sense, but I'm interested in knowing about it.

By the way, here's a great website for a translation of the entire Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ I actually bookmarked it so I wouldn't forget to give you the link. It's truly amazing; I think you'll like it!

What do you mean by physical immortality? I realize you don't mean it in the literal sense, but I'm interested in knowing about it.

By the way, here's a great website for a translation of the entire Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ I actually bookmarked it so I wouldn't forget to give you the link. It's truly amazing; I think you'll like it!

Thank you Sweety for the website! What you have given me is very much appreciated!

What do I mean by "physical immortality" Legend both written and verbal seems to indicate that we can actually leave this world and take our body with us. And the first place that you go when you leave is Paradise. This is why there is some confusion in Christianity about Heaven. Most Christians consider Heaven to be Paradice. Actually Heaven and Paradice are two different places, but once you get to Paradise you are home free. In my younger days Jesus took me to visit "First level Heaven" (there are seven levels). To make along story short, I was not ready for First Level Heaven, which by the way is a beautiful place, and so I was moved from there to Paradise.

To be honest with you I did not believe that Paradice existed and thought that it was a myth, but I knew where I was because It was just like Islam says that it is :) I liked Paradise and I would like to go back.

The easiest way to explain things is that if you are a good person who loves God but you still have some of this worlds desires, you go to Paradise to finish working these desires out. When you nolonger have any of this worlds desires, then you move on to Heaven.

Apostle Paul in the Christian New Testament encouraged purity to the point that one went streight to Heaven (no this world desires). This is extremely hard for a person to do. This is why I love the genius of Mohommed, He knew that if He could just get them to Paradise, that they would be home free :) (that brings tears to my eyes).

Anyway physical immortality (as much as can be said about it :) ) is when you take your body with you, when you get ready to leave. Until then it is just an extended life span. And Jesus was an example that this can be done. Others have done it also, but these others did not sacrifice themselves for the sins of all of mankind. Jesus, for what ever reason, did.

Love,

Tucker58

How did Jesus take you to the First Level of Heaven?
I thought that Heaven and Paradise are the same thing...

How did Jesus take you to the First Level of Heaven?
I thought that Heaven and Paradise are the same thing...

Sweety so did I, but He/Jesus showed me that they weren't. And He/Jesus introduced me to the wisdom of Mohammed.

Twenty eight years later (maybe more :) ) I have understanding.

To me Paradise is Heaven. I don't deny it. Any desire that is of this world is not Heaven. I always thought that all I had to do was make it just into the door of Heaven. But I don't. All I have to do is make it into Paradise. Technically Paradise is first level Heaven and there are eight levels to Heaven, if you include Paradice. There is no sex in seven of the levels of Heaven, period. Sex is a this world's reality.

When I visited First Level Heaven I found alot of very happy sunshine people that were very busy doing something that made them happy. I wished not to disturb them because they were so loving and busy, so I sat quietly. One of them separated themselves from the activity and asked me if I would like to help. I said yes. That beautiful loving person gave me a bundle and said that it was the "Heart" of Creation and that my help was to just hold it and give it love. I said that I can do that. It was like holding and hugging a new born baby. I love those little folk.

After abit my attention wondered and the "Heart" of Creation turned into a beautiful young lady sitting in my lap facing me. Her love for me was overwhelming. And other beautiful ladies were heading my way. I said, "Master, I am not worthy of this!", and I gently thanked everybody for their gift of love and left.

I am experiencing tears again and have to go away and compose myself.

Sorry about that, arrg!

Tucker58

Do you get to these "levels" through meditation or what?

Do you get to these "levels" through meditation or what?

Sweety that is a good question :) What I am is a mystic and I have spent most of my life in meditation. What I have learned from this experience is that our body is the temple of God and our heart is that temple's altar. When we allow and encourage the presence of God to occupy this temple and worship, love, and honor His presence from the altar of this temple that His presence changes us over time into "that which is like Him". As you become more and more like Him you move up through the levels of Heaven.

Relitive to me, if there is a goal to this life, I would like to be changed enough to step through the door into Paradise, and also to be somehow of some service to God in this life.

If I was allowed to experience these two gifts I would feel that my life was fulfilled. At the same time this is all really up to God and what His will might be. It should be said though that I do have a way to go before I am worthy. I do still carry abit of this worlds baggage :) At the same time the presence of God within me is slowly changing me and I am happy with the changes.

Basically Sweety I don't know much about the part of Heaven that is beyond Paradise. The Heaven that I have experienced has alot of very happy busy nice loving people in it, and I have no idea what they are doing :)

Love,

Tucker58

Well, good luck :) I hope that God helps you and guides you to find the right path.
I also hope that the websites I provided you with prove to be fruitful.

Well, good luck :) I hope that God helps you and guides you to find the right path.
I also hope that the websites I provided you with prove to be fruitful.

Thank you Sweety for your good wishes and for the information, they are appreciated!

Love,

Tucker58

When a Moslem bows to Mecca five times a day, that they are doing a couple of Hatha Yoga poses/exersizes that are really great for the digestive system, the spinal column, and the immune system......and if they were to allow Heaven to flow from Heaven to their forehead and the center of their chest, that they would not only experience greatly extended life spans.....

Incredible.

In another thread, you proclaim yourself to be the "only one here" who possesses the mental capacity to undersand coberst's complex commentary on "A Science of Man'.

Now you reveal that you believe such superstitious silliness as -- ""allowing Heaven to flow from Heaven to their forehead....would enable people to...experience greatly extended life spans"".

:rolleyes:

Incredible.

In another thread, you proclaim yourself to be the "only one here" who possesses the mental capacity to undersand coberst's complex commentary on "A Science of Man'.

Now you reveal that you believe such superstitious silliness as -- ""allowing Heaven to flow from Heaven to their forehead....would enable people to...experience greatly extended life spans"".

:rolleyes:

Freethinker, I guess we woke the sleeping giant :) his name is FreeThinker.

Tucker "The Giant Killer" :) yea right, I don't think so :)

Your turn :)

tucker58