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Cindy Sheehan has resigned as the face (or is that farce) of the American anti-war movement. The Rosie O'Donnel of Camp Casey is finally calling it quits.

Sheehan leaves Crawford, 'resigns' as protest leader


By ANGELA K. BROWN
Associated Press

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FORT WORTH — Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized an anti-war movement with her monthlong protest outside President Bush's ranch, says she's done being the public face of the movement.

"I've been wondering why I'm killing myself and wondering why the Democrats caved in to George Bush," Sheehan told The Associated Press by phone today while driving from her property in Crawford to the airport, where she planned to return to her native California.

"I'm going home for awhile to try and be normal," she said.

In what she described as a "resignation letter," Sheehan wrote in her online diary on the "Daily Kos" blog: "Good-bye America ... you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it.

"It's up to you now."

Sheehan began a grass roots peace movement in August 2005 when she set up camp outside the Bush ranch for 26 days, asking to talk with the President about the death of her son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan. Casey Sheehan was 24 when he was killed in an ambush in Baghdad.

Cindy Sheehan started her protest small, but it quickly drew national attention. Over the following two years, she drew huge crowds as she spoke at protest events, but she also drew a great deal of criticism.

"I have endured a lot of smear and hatred since Casey was killed and especially since I became the so-called "Face" of the American anti-war movement," Sheehan wrote in the diary.

On Memorial Day, she came to some "heartbreaking conclusions," she wrote.

When she had first taken on Bush, Sheehan was a darling of the liberal left. "However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the 'left' started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used," she wrote.

"I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of 'right or left', but 'right and wrong,'" the diary says.

Sheehan criticized "blind party loyalty" as a danger, no matter which side it involved, and said the current two-party system is "corrupt" and "rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland."

Sheehan said she had sacrificed a 29-year marriage and endured threats to put all her energy into stopping the war. What she found, she wrote, was a movement "that often puts personal egos above peace and human life."

But she said the most devastating conclusion she had reached "was that Casey did indeed die for nothing ... killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think".

"Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives," she wrote. It is so painful to me to know that I bought into this system for so many years and Casey paid the price for that allegiance. I failed my boy and that hurts the most."

"I am going to take whatever I have left and go home," Sheehan wrote.

"Camp Casey has served its purpose. It's for sale. Anyone want to buy five beautiful acres in Crawford, Texas?"



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4843475.html

Hurrah.

i thought she was dead?:confused:

it's another cynical ploy to get her name back in the news..i blame Clinton.

"Camp Casey has served its purpose. It's for sale. Anyone want to buy five beautiful acres in Crawford, Texas?"
Well, I do need some training ground for my CommieNazi Hezboqaeda recruits. I guess I can buy it.

If I get arrested Cindy Sheehan is getting subpoenaed out the eyeballs. Houston Chronicle can come report on that useless bit of news too.

Sheehan said she had sacrificed a 29-year marriage and endured threats to put all her energy into stopping the war. What she found, she wrote, was a movement "that often puts personal egos above peace and human life."

But she said the most devastating conclusion she had reached "was that Casey did indeed die for nothing ... killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think".

"Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives," she wrote. It is so painful to me to know that I bought into this system for so many years and Casey paid the price for that allegiance. I failed my boy and that hurts the most."


I think Cindi was great and a sad loss to the movement and I completely agree with everything she said.

give peopel enough TV and Playstation2 and xbox and you can do whatever you want to them.

It reminds me of Rome

Subject: THE REAL CINDY SHEEHAN

What is most interesting to me is that the press gives this little bunch of people who are protesting with Cindy so much air time without discussing Cindy's background. This is a case of more press bias. It has been pointed out on just a couple of media outlets that Cindy divorced her first husband and left her son with him to be raised while she became a political activist for the Democratic Party. She had very little to do with her son in his growing years. She remarried. The 1st husband remarried. The original father raised the son with his new wife. They miss their son and mourn the loss of his life. They have stated that they are very proud of their son and that they agree with the stance of America in Iraq and on terror. They said that their son was eager to serve and to go fight the terrorists in Iraq.

He volunteered. How many news stations carried their interview? Not many.

So the son dies in Iraq and then Cindy shows up to make a stink. She gets an audience with Bush. That was not enough. She goes to Crawford and demands another audience. How many news stations carry the ongoing saga of Cindy? Practically all of them. Cindy didn't care about her son. She let another woman raise him. Cindy doesn't care about the other soldiers in Iraq. Cindy cares about her liberal, feminist agenda and about using the death of her son to lobby against Republicans and Bush. And the press is helping her. Why?

Then 2 days ago, Cindy's 2nd husband filed for a divorce from Cindy. Cindy sounds like a feminist opportunist who did not have the sense of responsibility to even raise her own son. It looks like her 2nd husband is fed up with Cindy. We middle Americans should be fed up with Cindy also. We should be fed up with the press. They manipulate us into their "group think" and into the responses that they want on their polls.

H. A. Brown

This is in line with how I what of Cindy Sheehan

give peopel enough TV and Playstation2 and xbox and you can do whatever you want to them.

It reminds me of Rome

Dang freedom! Allowing people to buy stuff they don't need and have different opinions!

This would be a lot easier in Russia.

that is not my point and you know. I have no problem with anyone having an opinion differnt than my own. What I have a problem with is people losing thier homes because of gas prices and food prices or not being able to afford thier medication but are complacent because they have enteraintmnet to distract them from the lack of comfortable living conditions.
The entertainment such as TV and X-boxes are a distractions so people do not get so upset about the injustices of the government and coperate greed.

This is not about freedom. It is a trick to keep people mindless. Keep them occupied with other things than the truth about the living standards dropping in the United States.

I thought the trick was the game companies coming up with the entertaining games to addict people for the game company's profit - their own healthy bottom line. I didn't know they were working a covert operation with the government.

it both. The gaming companies are making a fat profit and the government is using it to thier advantage. Give them just enough scraps at the table for them to be content while thier masters eat real food at the dinner table.
The poor and middle class are nothing more than servents eating scraps on the floor and then fighting each other over the food and blaming each other for thier not being enough. The poor blame the middle class for not helping them more and the middle class blaming the poor for taxes cost. Rarely does anyone see who is really pulling the strings.

that is not my point and you know. I have no problem with anyone having an opinion differnt than my own. What I have a problem with is people losing thier homes because of gas prices and food prices or not being able to afford thier medication but are complacent because they have enteraintmnet to distract them from the lack of comfortable living conditions.
The entertainment such as TV and X-boxes are a distractions so people do not get so upset about the injustices of the government and coperate greed.

This is not about freedom. It is a trick to keep people mindless. Keep them occupied with other things than the truth about the living standards dropping in the United States.

You're trying real hard to make a valid point here, but it's not happening. The United States government had nothing to do with the invention or marketing of the televison, video games, or anything else you want to throw in this category.

Show me one case of a person who lost their homes because of gas and food prices. Then, show me the same person complacent with their lives because they still have a TV or video games.

Dang freedom! Allowing people to buy stuff they don't need and have different opinions!


You are confusing Freedom with Consumerism.

You're trying real hard to make a valid point here, but it's not happening.

She made valid point, but you are trying even harder to not acknowledge it.

http://www.foreclosuresmass.com/misc/fcm20060404marstats.pdf

63 percent higher from 2 years ago

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=978

Increased homelessness due to economic hardships.

all related to the high cost of living which includes gas, housing and food cost.


I never claimed the government set up games and TV entertianment to make us mindless only that they support it now that it is there and realize its numbing effects on us and use it to thier advantage to continue to abuse thier citizens rights and living standards.

Keep us distracted. Notice that we barely hear about the death of the soliders in Iraq but hear about American Idol and Rosie quits the view. American care more about the battle of Rosie and Donald than 61 troops killed in Iraq.

and the governemnt knows it and supports it because it get the pressure off them.

She made valid point, but you are trying even harder to not acknowledge it.

Yes, the video game industry and the United States are in cahoots to keep the American public tranquil so they can rule the galaxy. Actually, Illuminati is probably involved too. Maybe we should give Dan Brown a call and he can write a book! Better yet, let's get Lungdop on this.

By the way, I find it hilarious that you of all people are accusing me of not acknowledging a valid point. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I never said they are in cohoots. I said the governement is using the gaming corperate greed to thier advantage. They are using the gaming and entertianment industry against us. The industry prolly doesn't even know they are being used in this way.

So stop making me out to be a conspiricy kook because that is not what I am saying.

Yes, the video game industry and the United States are in cahoots to keep the American public tranquil so they can rule the galaxy. Illuminati is probably involved too.

:rolleyes:

That is not what she said.
You are exaggerating her point to try and make her incorrect.

Complacency and distraction of the masses is hardly a new phenomenon in government. Go read about Roman history.

http://www.foreclosuresmass.com/misc/fcm20060404marstats.pdf

63 percent higher from 2 years ago

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=978

Increased homelessness due to economic hardships.

all related to the high cost of living which includes gas, housing and food cost.

That's not what I asked for. You made the claim people lost their homes solely on gas/food prices but they didn't care because they still have television. All I'm asking for is some proof of this claim, not something vaguely related.

I never claimed the government set up games and TV entertianment to make us mindless only that they support it now that it is there and realize its numbing effects on us and use it to thier advantage to continue to abuse thier citizens rights and living standards.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Keep us distracted. Notice that we barely hear about the death of the soliders in Iraq but hear about American Idol and Rosie quits the view. American care more about the battle of Rosie and Donald than 61 troops killed in Iraq.

What does the government have to do with this? They don't control the news or television programs.

and the governemnt knows it and supports it because it get the pressure off them.

More wild speculation. You have nothing to back these up, just some bizarre theory that only dharma supports. (not a good sign)

:roleyes:

That is not what she said.
You are exaggerating her point to try and make her incorrect.

Complacency and distraction of the masses is hardly a new phenomenon in government. Go read about Roman history.

Go provide me with evidence that the government is actively trying to entertain the American public so we are distracted from the war or whatever the hell warrior is trying to say.

Go provide me with evidence that the government is actively trying to entertain the American public so we are distracted from the war or whatever the hell warrior is trying to say.

Yeah, I'd like to see that, too....good grief....simply amazing the things some people come up.

...good grief....simply amazing the things some people come up.

Especially when they are exaggerating what someone else was trying to say... :rolleyes:

Especially when they are exaggerating what someone else was trying to say... :rolleyes:

There's definitely a lot of exaggerating on these boards, but I was actually talking about warrior's claims being so ridiculous.......

Especially when they are exaggerating what someone else was trying to say... :rolleyes:

Please give me an unexaggerated version of what warrior is trying to say.

How is the fact that the government taking advantage of the entainment industry to keep us quiet and complacent an exaggeration? How did exaggreation come in here.
First you accuse me of conspiracy theories now you say I exaggerate. So you are saying to some extent this is true just not the to extent I am claiming? So you are backpeddling on your conspiracy theory accuastion then?

Please give me an unexaggerated version of what warrior is trying to say.

How else to you see why americans are taking it up the ass with 4 dollar gallan gas prices and this continued war in Iraq. The fact that dems promised to hold the administration accountable and caved and gave Hitler what he wanted??

Because we have our American Idol, x-box and message boards.

How is the fact that the government taking advantage of the entainment industry to keep us quiet and complacent an exaggeration? How did exaggreation come in here.
First you accuse me of conspiracy theories now you say I exaggerate. So you are saying to some extent this is true just not the to extent I am claiming? So you are backpeddling on your conspiracy theory accuastion then?

No, dharma said that my synopsis of what you're saying was an exaggeration. I'm asking him to give another one that is not an exaggeration.

How else to you see why americans are taking it up the ass with 4 dollar gallan gas prices and this continued war in Iraq. The fact that dems promised to hold the administration accountable and caved and gave Hitler what he wanted??

Because we have our American Idol, x-box and message boards.

Yes, that's the only possible conclusion anyone can ever come up with.

How is the fact that the government taking advantage of the entainment industry to keep us quiet and complacent an exaggeration?

Actually I would say the relationship is much more complex than that and might go the other way around. The same people who sit on the boards for these companies are also in the highest levels of our government.

Check this out. (http://www.theyrule.net)

Our government is so intertwined with corporations that it sometimes is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.

WHy don't you shut your fucking mouth and get back smartmouthwoman thread in chat room and continue to call me fat and retarded and accuse me of going to hurt my kids like the woman who hanged the four of her own!!!

Goodness......

No, I'll post wherever the hell I want to and I never accused you of anything, except posting ridiculous "news". Get your stories straight.

kk

You don't think if there was no x-box, good TV like Idol and greys antomy and these message boards we would still be content about our living standards??

Why do you think it is the news does not talk more about Iraq and the soldiers death? Why do you think Rosie and O'donell make Larry King live than 61 americans dying in a war we do not want to continue?? and war based on false information??
That they haven't found bin laden. That we cannot get into pakistan to get the terrorist hidding out there.

WHy don't you shut your fucking mouth and get back smartmouthwoman thread in chat room and continue to call me fat and retarded and accuse me of going to hurt my kids like the woman who hanged the four of her own!!!

Not a single poster on these boards is guilty of saying you tried to hurt your kids, woman.
Provide a link to back up this claim.

Goodness......

No, I'll post wherever the hell I want to and I never accused you of anything, except posting ridiculous "news". Get your stories straight.

You sure seemed to be agreeing with them and laughing with them! Your sick to accuse innocent people of hurting thier babies like that or even agreeing or laughing when someone says I am capable of such a thing. You have a sick mentality.
Go back to the chat board and go bash and gossip slander some more.

Not a single poster on these boards is guilty of saying you tried to hurt your kids, woman.
Provide a link to back up this claim.

:upyours:

you know exacty what I am talking about it.

Actually I would say the relationship is much more complex than that and might go the other way around. The same people who sit on the boards for these companies are also in the highest levels of our government.

Check this out. (http://www.theyrule.net)

Our government is so intertwined with corporations that it sometimes is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.

Thank you for the link. I am sure it is very true but I guess I am a conspiricy theorist because this stuff just can't make any sense.

where is the link, warrior?
Your accusations are unfounded--as usual.
woman, i think your tongue is hung in the middle so it can run at both ends.

[QUOTE=warrior1972]http://www.foreclosuresmass.com/misc/fcm20060404marstats.pdf

63 percent higher from 2 years ago

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=978
Increased homelessness due to economic hardships.
all related to the high cost of living which includes gas, housing and food cost.

With very little research you'll find that the increase in foreclosures is due to the number of people who purchased a home, using sub prime loans, when they could not even qualify to rent one.
The only economic hardships are caused by people living "for the minute" rather than "saving for their future". Buying new cars every two or three years, insisting upon living in an area where rent equals half the family income. All very poor life choices. But, hell, individuals should not be held responsible for those, RIGHT? Its the government's fault, or the corporation's.

kk

You don't think if there was no x-box, good TV like Idol and greys antomy and these message boards we would still be content about our living standards??

Why do you think it is the news does not talk more about Iraq and the soldiers death? Why do you think Rosie and O'donell make Larry King live than 61 americans dying in a war we do not want to continue?? and war based on false information??
That they haven't found bin laden. That we cannot get into pakistan to get the terrorist hidding out there.

Yes, I think we would.

There are other forms of entertainment in the world besides video games, television, and the internet. Besides, we would never know what we missed.

People don't want to hear about the war. People die, we get it. It's happened every day for over 4 years.

If the weather report said the same thing every day, would you even bother watching it?

I agree it gets boring but when someone tries to put up a picture of the mass coffins coming back from Iraq they are not allowed to post them?

You must admit it is the governements job to keep the people content. This is one of the ways to do it.

where is the link, warrior?
Your accusations are unfounded--as usual.
woman, i think your tongue is hung in the middle so it can run at both ends.

Keep laughing it up over there are smartwomans thread. It seems like high school never ended for you guys. She has already accused me of hurting my kids if she made me too mad and keep insunating it with the woman who killed her 4 kids and you keep agreeing with her.

what goes around comes around my friend. Keep it up and I garentee you will get burned by your own sickness

Keep laughing it up over there are smartwomans thread. It seems like high school never ended for you guys. She has already accused me of hurting my kids if she made me too mad and keep insunating it with the woman who killed her 4 kids and you keep agreeing with her.

what goes around comes around my friend. Keep it up and I garentee you will get burned by your own sickness

I want an actual quotation, warrior, from a poster here saying your tried to hurt your kids.
until i get this, i will assume your statement is a lie.
Provide it.

I agree it gets boring but when someone tries to put up a picture of the mass coffins coming back from Iraq they are not allowed to post them?

You must admit it is the governements job to keep the people content. This is one of the ways to do it.

If by "keep people content" you mean give them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then yes that is the government's job.

You sure seemed to be agreeing with them and laughing with them! Your sick to accuse innocent people of hurting thier babies like that or even agreeing or laughing when someone says I am capable of such a thing. You have a sick mentality.
Go back to the chat board and go bash and gossip slander some more.

Like I said, get your stories straight. I've READ a lot of posts, since I've not been on the boards since last Thursday, but I have never accused you of anything. Period. And stop telling me where to go. If I see something that I think is ridiculous, I have the right to express my opinion about it. I saw some ridiculous postings, in my opinion. You certainly have no problem expressing your opinion. It goes both ways, and you have me confused with someone else.

[QUOTE=warrior1972]http://www.foreclosuresmass.com/misc/fcm20060404marstats.pdf

63 percent higher from 2 years ago

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=978
Increased homelessness due to economic hardships.
all related to the high cost of living which includes gas, housing and food cost.

With very little research you'll find that the increase in foreclosures is due to the number of people who purchased a home, using sub prime loans, when they could not even qualify to rent one.
The only economic hardships are caused by people living "for the minute" rather than "saving for their future". Buying new cars every two or three years, insisting upon living in an area where rent equals half the family income. All very poor life choices. But, hell, individuals should not be held responsible for those, RIGHT? Its the government's fault, or the corporation's.

They are not all due to people taking out loans they cannot afford. Now people are not able to afford homes any more and that means something. These people do not buy new cars all the time. Living expenses are out of control.
We are very lucky that we live in upper middle class our morgage is 1,700 a month this is for a 3 bedroom town home near where he works. He could pay maybe 1,300 a month if he lived far from town but lose so much gas money every day driving to and from work. We can afford it but someone making 35,000 a year could not afford a home. This is entry pay for grads from college who have school debts of around 20,000-40,000. The middle class cannot afford housing anymore unless they are renting small units smaller than thier family. Living cost are making it impossible for people to maintain home ownership.

I stand by my statement.

If by "keep people content" you mean give them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then yes that is the government's job.

pursuit of happiness that is a laugh. People cannot afford to buy a home anymore or even go to the grocery store. All they can afford is to stay at home watch TV, play video games and use the internet in thier 1 bedroom rented home with a family of 4 and going to work in a 4foot x4foot cubicle.

Yes the prusuit of happiness... I would call it a purcuit because they will never be able to actualy obtain the happiness and security that the upper middle class and rich can afford.

I want an actual quotation, warrior, from a poster here saying your tried to hurt your kids.
until i get this, i will assume your statement is a lie.
Provide it.


What I saw was NOT diapers. And in fact, I probably would never have even brought up the subject except I could see some perv out there jerking off while ogling your baby girl.

Look, Warrior... I'm gonna put you on ignore and save you some grief. You're obviously too far out there for me and you to have an intelligent discussion and frankly, I think you're getting worse. I'm concerned for the welfare of your children and would just as soon not get you any more riled up to the point you might take it out on them.Good luck and may God have mercy on your soul.

SMW

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=25059&page=58

and then today compared me to the woman who hanged her four kids.

pursuit of happiness that is a laugh. People cannot afford to buy a home anymore or even go to the grocery store. All they can afford is to stay at home watch TV, play video games and use the internet in thier 1 bedroom rented home with a family of 4 and going to work in a 4foot x4foot cubicle.

Yes the prusuit of happiness... I would call it a purcuit because they will never be able to actualy obtain the happiness and security that the upper middle class and rich can afford.

So they can't buy groceries but they can afford a television, video games, and the internet? Sounds like they just have their priorities wrong. Maybe this hypothetical family should have thought about not having kids until they could financially provide for one. Crazy concept, I know.

By the way, housing is pretty cheap right now. The house next to my dad's is up for sale for $72,000. He bought his for $87,000 2 years ago and it was crappier then the one currently up for sale.

All they can afford is to stay at home watch TV, play video games and use the internet in thier 1 bedroom rented home with a family of 4 and going to work in a 4foot x4foot cubicle.



holy crap you just described my life!

So they can't buy groceries but they can afford a television, video games, and the internet? Sounds like they just have their priorities wrong. Maybe this hypothetical family should have thought about not having kids until they could financially provide for one. Crazy concept, I know.

By the way, housing is pretty cheap right now. The house next to my dad's is up for sale for $72,000. He bought his for $87,000 2 years ago and it was crappier then the one currently up for sale.

where do you live?? our home cost 372,000. That is a for a modest 3 bedroom townhome.

Groceries.. yes you can afford groceries but not your medication or medical bills.
Hmm Groceries or medical care?? Hmm do you know what it take to cover our family for medical care 740 dollars a month that does not include co-pay and deductiable. You know who pays it.. Microsoft..but sadly it is like 1-50 companies that still cover medical.

Do you have full health insurance? Do you have a family of 3? or is it just yourself?

I am telling you the average american is not making it today for god sakes 50 percent of middle class kids are uninsured.
28% of workers earning $20,000-40,000 per year in 2001 were uninsured, compared with 41% in 2005. Researchers feel that this jump in the number of uninsured middle-class Americans is due to employers dropping health coverage or charging more for coverage than workers can afford.
http://healthinsurance.about.com/b/a/256764.htm

holy crap you just described my life!


LOL

The quotation you provide does not say in any way that you tried to hurt your kids.
Or perhaps i am missing something here?
If you want people to take you seriously, why don't you try laying off the insults and really rather serious allegations?

yes I am the one who who is making allogations.. ROFLMAO!! yes someone says they do not want to anger me because I might take it out on my kids and then relates me to a woman who hangs her four kids and that is not allogations.

I am living in the fucking twilight Zone!

where do you live?? our home cost 372,000. That is a for a modest 3 bedroom townhome.

Groceries.. yes you can afford groceries but not your medication or medical bills.
Hmm Groceries or medical care?? Hmm do you know what it take to cover our family for medical care 740 dollars a month that does not include co-pay and deductiable. You know who pays it.. Microsoft..but sadly it is like 1-50 companies that still cover medical.

Do you have full health insurance? Do you have a family of 3? or is it just yourself?

I am telling you the average american is not making it today for god sakes 50 percent of middle class kids are uninsured.
28% of workers earning $20,000-40,000 per year in 2001 were uninsured, compared with 41% in 2005. Researchers feel that this jump in the number of uninsured middle-class Americans is due to employers dropping health coverage or charging more for coverage than workers can afford.
http://healthinsurance.about.com/b/a/256764.htm

I live in 2 different suburbs of Cleveland. The house I was talking about is in Lorain, Ohio which is about 30 minutes west of Cleveland. Car insurance and housing is dirt cheap out here as it's fairly rural. Other suburb I live in is Lakewood, which is the most densely populated city between New York and Chicago. As you can guess, car insurance is higher but housing is also pretty cheap. Sold our 5 bedroom house for about $125,000.

I'm still covered by my dad's health insurance as I'm a full-time college student. No family for me yet.

I really don't understand where you're going with this. Somehow you've moved on from the whole entertainment/government thing and now we're on health insurance. Is there a point to this or are you just ranting?

With very little research you'll find that the increase in foreclosures is due to the number of people who purchased a home, using sub prime loans, when they could not even qualify to rent one.

People have to live somewhere.
I agree predatory lending practices are a problem that needs to be addressed.


The only economic hardships are caused by people living "for the minute" rather than "saving for their future".

(emphasis mine)
Oh really?!? That is the "only" cause of economic hardship???
That is a bigger load of crap than anything warrior said.
Hardships are never caused by natural disaster or decisions made by others, eh? That is news to a lot of people in the gulf coast.

Buying new cars every two or three years,

That explains all the brand new car dealerships you see in the ghetto... :rolleyes:

insisting upon living in an area where rent equals half the family income.

Well that explains all the (nonexistant) dirt poor people living in nice, rich neighborhoods. :rolleyes:

Moderate, it is quite obvious that you know absolutely nothing about poverty or poor people.


All very poor life choices. But, hell, individuals should not be held responsible for those, RIGHT? Its the government's fault, or the corporation's.

Ah, the old "Blame the victim" game... typical of the far, far rightwing.

The same rightwing that gave us such great examples of Responsibility as Paul Wolfowitz, who blamed the Media this weekend for his outting instead of his own unethical behavior.

I live in 2 different suburbs of Cleveland. The house I was talking about is in Lorain, Ohio which is about 30 minutes west of Cleveland. Car insurance and housing is dirt cheap out here as it's fairly rural. Other suburb I live in is Lakewood, which is the most densely populated city between New York and Chicago. As you can guess, car insurance is higher but housing is also pretty cheap. Sold our 5 bedroom house for about $125,000.

I'm still covered by my dad's health insurance as I'm a full-time college student. No family for me yet.

I really don't understand where you're going with this. Somehow you've moved on from the whole entertainment/government thing and now we're on health insurance. Is there a point to this or are you just ranting?


My point is people cannot support thier families any more on a middle class income.
you may graduate from college and get a 35,000-40,000 dollar job but one day you will want a family and to be able to do that you are going to need a home, cars, medical insurance, food and other necessities. Which this amount will not cover.
People are not living comfortably anymore and raising gas prices makes it even worse and only puts salts on the wounds but people are tolerating it because we are preoccupied we have just enough entertianment to take our minds of our debts and struggles.
I am wondering how much it will take before that is not enough anymore.

Goodness......

No, I'll post wherever the hell I want to and I never accused you of anything, except posting ridiculous "news". Get your stories straight.


I apologize. You are right I got very upset about some of the thing being said on another thread and I took it out on you and I am sorry.

I am living in the fucking twilight Zone!
Doesn't that blow your mind? Please, do tell us about your feelings.

We all care deeply.

Doesn't that blow your mind? Please, do tell us about your feelings.

We all care deeply.

Lay off me Evakian. I mean it. Just back off.

Lay off me Evakian. I mean it. Just back off.
But I most certainly want to be on your back. Hubba hubba.

If by "keep people content" you mean give them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then yes that is the government's job.
promoting the general welfare, providing for the common defense, and securing the blessings of liberty for ourselves and the posterity is the government's job...nothing else. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights.

holy crap you just described my life!

but you're doing something with your life...thanks for it, btw :thumbs:

But I most certainly want to be on your back. Hubba hubba.
that's just sooooo wrong!:eek:

that's just sooooo wrong!:eek:
You can join in big boy. Message me.

Yuo bai cyba 5 dolla?

You can join in big boy. Message me.

Yuo bai cyba 5 dolla?
that's even wronger:lolhit:

Yes the prusuit of happiness... I would call it a purcuit because they will never be able to actualy obtain the happiness and security that the upper middle class and rich can afford.I like you and have defended you several times around here, but I think you're a little off on this thread.

Firstly, I don't think I understand how you define happiness. Apparently it's a dollar figure.
Last week I achieved happiness one night. My wife and I played a game with the girls and had a great time. I still had a hefty mortgage, car payments, insurance co-pays, tuition, a child with serious disabilities, problems at work, the typically huge pile of bills everyone has, etc, etc, etc.
These things that you are implying are an impediment to "happiness" are going to be with you for your whole life. Your whole life.
You can let them be that impediment or you can choose not to let them.

Secondly, this bread and circuses fantasy you have wherein the Federal Government's sins are being camoflouged by such idylls as video games is starting to sound a little like paranoia.

Everything people enjoy, be it NASCAR or fishing or movies or porn or reading or jogging is a welcome diversion that gives them a much needed temporary release from those things from which they need the diversion. That's why it's called escapism. And it's been around since there have been people.

I like you and have defended you several times around here, but I think you're a little off on this thread.

Firstly, I don't think I understand how you define happiness. Apparently it's a dollar figure.
Last week I achieved happiness one night. My wife and I played a game with the girls and had a great time. I still had a hefty mortgage, car payments, insurance co-pays, tuition, a child with serious disabilities, problems at work, the typically huge pile of bills everyone has, etc, etc, etc.
These things that you are implying are an impediment to "happiness" are going to be with you for your whole life. Your whole life.
You can let them be that impediment or you can choose not to let them.

Secondly, this bread and circuses fantasy you have wherein the Federal Government's sins are being camoflouged by such idylls as video games is starting to sound a little like paranoia.

Everything people enjoy, be it NASCAR or fishing or movies or porn or reading or jogging is a welcome diversion that gives them a much needed temporary release from those things from which they need the diversion. That's why it's called escapism. And it's been around since there have been people.

Thanks brooks I really like you too. You are highly intelligent and I respect that and I really appreciate you taking up for me and I do not ever forget that as I do not forget Viles valient attempts.

I agree money is not everything and does not make one truly happy. I guess I am very defensive about the poor and the struggling middle class because I know what it is like to be there. To be the working poor and end up with nothing if not in the negative after a hard days work. I just want them to not have to worry about security. I think security is important for everyone to feel safe and not have the worry that they will not able to makes the rent or morgage next month. I agree one can have all the money and security in the world and be completely unhappy. It is a perspective I agree but it helps so much to have the security that your family will be ok. Living pay check to pay check for 10 year praying that I never get sick because I did not have health insurance was really nerve recking and I just do not want to see others go through that. I am sorry for all your bills and stuff I wish I could take it all away. You are a good man and probably work very hard and love your children and deserve to have freedom from the burden of unpaid bills.

As for the govenment endorsing and promoting entertainment to mask the problems of our dwindling living condition standards. I honestly do not think it is not a fantacy and I do not see it as paranoid thoughts. I think it is a stategic move and a very smart one. we will have to agree to disagree.

I understand being able to escape sometimes. I understand to distract your minds some from the problems and I understand that the Americans do it to themselves too. I mean they choose to be entertained than to go to the law makers and demand a change. They would rather forget thier problems and watch Idol or Greys anatomy.

But (Sheehan) said the most devastating conclusion she had reached "was that Casey did indeed die for nothing ... killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think".

Truer words were never spoken.

Sadly, Cindy Sheehan finally figured out just how things work in America, how the con game is structured, how the sheep are fleeced.

I am truly sorry she came to be made aware of it.

It is much less sickening to look at this country when one is not in possession of that information, a state of ignorance shared by virtually every person (several of whom are posting to these boards) in America.

As for the govenment endorsing and promoting entertainment to mask the problems of our dwindling living condition standards. I honestly do not think it is not a fantacy and I do not see it as paranoid thoughts. I think it is a stategic move and a very smart one. we will have to agree to disagree. The government has no need to promote entertainment, Coporations do it non-stop. You are putting the cart before the mule here. See coporations jumped on entertainment because it is profitable and people yurn for it. The government merely takes advantage of the fact that people don' t pay attention to real shit, instead of American Idol.

Now with the FCC you can start making a case. Coporate radio stations play nothing but mindless drivel 99.99% of the time. When they ever do get political its been pro-war rallies and dixie chick banning bought and paid for by Clear Channel. The Federal government charges ridiculous amounts for radio liscences and cracks down hard on pirate/independant broadcasters. This is a government infringment of free speech. The airwaves belong to the public and those who care enough should be able to broadcast on empty frequencies. But then that would allow a wide variety of non-coporate/government ideas to be heard. So they aren't necessarily 'promoting and endorseing entertainment' so much as they are suppressing independant voices.

"I'm going home for awhile to try and be normal," she said.



Good luck with that one Sheehan!!!:thumbs:

The government has no need to promote entertainment, Corporations do it non-stop.

100% correct.

And since the Corporations run this country, and control the political whores in Washington, and thus in effect control governmental policies, it proves the point that was being forwarded;

...that the Corporatists (through the control of their lackeys who've been installed in Government positions) use the various forms of Media operating in this country to pacify the sheep, to dumb them down, to brainwash them and to misdirect their attention and to lull them into accepting the anti-human policies of the extreme Right powers-that-be.

I am sorry for all your bills and stuff I wish I could take it all away.
Dont' be. Without a greedy bank charging me 5.25% to make a profit off of me, I'd have no house. But for my car loan, I'd have no car.

100% correct.

And since the Corporations run this country, and control the political whores in Washington, and thus in effect control governmental policies, it proves the point that was being forwarded;

...that the Corporatists (through the control of their lackeys who've been installed in Government positions) use the various forms of Media operating in this country to pacify the sheep, to dumb them down, to brainwash them and to misdirect their attention and to lull them into accepting the anti-human policies of the extreme Right powers-that-be.

Thanks to television and the internet, people are more informed politically now then they've ever been. Do you honestly think people knew more about issues and candidates 100 years ago?

i love seeing FT getting backed into the "corporations run our gov't" corner... never a shred of evidence...

i love seeing FT getting backed into the "corporations run our gov't" corner...

That would be a neat trick, since you have never done it.

never a shred of evidence...

The evidence is right in front of your face. (http://www.theyrule.net)

You choose to ignore it.

Thanks to television and the internet, people are more informed politically now then they've ever been. Do you honestly think people knew more about issues and candidates 100 years ago?

There is such a thing as information overload.

We know more then we need to about our leaders. So much, in fact, that most people can no longer see the forest for the trees in terms of the issues. People are distracted by talk in the media of "gay marriage" and they forget that there is no meaningful dialouge whatsoever in the media about things like the preemption doctrine, or the rollback of habeus corpus. (with rare exceptions like Keith Olbermann)

Truer words were never spoken.

Sadly, Cindy Sheehan finally figured out just how things work in America, how the con game is structured, how the sheep are fleeced.

I am truly sorry she came to be made aware of it.

It is much less sickening to look at this country when one is not in possession of that information, a state of ignorance shared by virtually every person (several of whom are posting to these boards) in America.

Oh so that's how you Looney Leftists explain away a Movement that
hasn't merely stalled,but sunk flat as a wet piano,being flung by
King Kong into Pearl Harbor.
Sheehan has exhausted even the goodwill of the MoveOn.org crowd.
Her one trick pony,myopic vision of a peacenik movement,was more
based on those tie-dye look-a-like Vietnam Era T-shirts,than anything else.
Even her psychological motive to say on the one hand she's doing
all this for her son,has run into huge snags,a couple years ago.
By not mentioning Casey by name,hardly ever,she has managed
to INSULT the Gods of Treacherous Hypocrisy.
You know the ones.The ones most Atheists love to trounce out and
spoof,as in a Punch & Judy show.Only the Spoof wore thin and
whipped itself silly.

Thanks to television and the internet, people are more informed politically now then they've ever been. Do you honestly think people knew more about issues and candidates 100 years ago?

To PROVE how superfluously dunderbrained short-sighted you are.
Consider Our Founding Fathers.All Great Men of thought and
vast knowledge thru reading and letters.
No computer or silly MoveOn.org to help make up their mind in
a world of vast conspiracy and hyperbolic propaganda.
A dare say,one would be hard pressed to find a single eligible Patron of Politics as well read or intuitive thru learning,than Our Founders.
Now,shut yer yapper and have someone sing the national anthem
in Spanish,fer ya.

Now,shut yer yapper and have someone sing the national anthem in Spanish,fer ya.

I just laughed so hard I snorted my coffee out my nose.
Thanks, guys. That made my day already, and it's not even six a.m.
:hahanot:

looked at your site..

"theyrule" LOL

my initial reaction was: so you have circumstancial evidence... people are on boards.. can you prove they took the next step? No you can't...

and then i got it straight from the horse's mouth

*beneath a web entangling folks with the New York Times*
http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php

"These are six of the board members of the New York Times. They sit on 13 of the top 500 companies in the United States in 2004. They may not have direct editorial content of the media owned by the company..."

That's all I needed... If i "choose not to see".. then what they hell are you doing dharma?

100% correct.

And since the Corporations run this country, and control the political whores in Washington, and thus in effect control governmental policies, it proves the point that was being forwarded;

...that the Corporatists (through the control of their lackeys who've been installed in Government positions) use the various forms of Media operating in this country to pacify the sheep, to dumb them down, to brainwash them and to misdirect their attention and to lull them into accepting the anti-human policies of the extreme Right powers-that-be.
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I assume You're part of this country.Unles you're Canadian {Drat!}.
Some Canadians are good.Like Dan Ackroid and John Candy.
William Shatner and Michael J.Fox.
So,if my hunch is correct and you are American,please inform all of
us as to exactly What or which Corporation is controlling YOU.
I mean,like winding you UP,every single day,lest we lose the pleasure
of yer daily Company { I coulda said diatribe ! }.

Why don't you post the rest of that quote Decka?

Quit being such a transparent partisan hack.

Thanks to television and the internet, people are more informed politically now then they've ever been. Do you honestly think people knew more about issues and candidates 100 years ago? The internet yes. But...

Since televisions inception the tallest candidate has always won the election (sans Bush, but he stole it. But did anyone else notice that during the debates they zoomed in on Bush so that his head was the same distance from the top of the screen as Gore's/Kerry's...freaky)

Infact that is the oppsite of polically informed descion making...its superfical now.

To PROVE how superfluously dunderbrained short-sighted you are.
Consider Our Founding Fathers.All Great Men of thought and
vast knowledge thru reading and letters.
No computer or silly MoveOn.org to help make up their mind in
a world of vast conspiracy and hyperbolic propaganda.
A dare say,one would be hard pressed to find a single eligible Patron of Politics as well read or intuitive thru learning,than Our Founders.
Now,shut yer yapper and have someone sing the national anthem
in Spanish,fer ya.

Foolsworth, your posts make
as much sense as this haiku
refrigerator

So,if my hunch is correct and you are American,please inform all of
us as to exactly What or which Corporation is controlling YOU.

None; they are, however, controlling the American People as a collective.

They instruct them as to how they should think, and what they should think.

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The 'Bewildered Herd' and the Subversion of Democracy:

The public must be put in its place, so that it may exercise its own powers, but no less and perhaps even more, so that each of us may live free of the trampling and roar of a bewildered herd. Only the insider can make decisions, not because he is inherently a better man but because he is so placed that he can understand and can act. The outsider is necessarily ignorant, usually irrelevant, and often meddlesome.

--Walter Lippmann The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

--Alex Carey The phrase "bewildered herd" is, of course, derived from the work of Walter Lippmann, in particular his well-known work, The Phantom Public, published in 1925 (a book that in many respects was a sequel to an earlier text penned in 1922—Public Opinion). While Lippmann flirted briefly with progressive socialist politics during his educational stint at Harvard, his political views underwent a dramatic shift to the right during the course of his life. That shift was certainly exemplified in the aforementioned publications—both of which expressed considerable doubts about the practical feasibility of establishing a true democracy in modern society. Not unlike the views of philosopher Leo Strauss, whose works have famously influenced the cabal of hawks that serve as Bush hijos innermost circle, Lippmann believed that 'the people' had to be controlled and manipulated by elites, by political insiders, who could shape opinions conducive to maintaining control and the status quo.

[QUOTE=Freethinker]None; they are, however, controlling the American People as a collective.

They instruct them as to how they should think, and what they should think.

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Oh ! Butts...who day. ?" I mean,who are the "they".?
There's always a " they " when Liberals wanna start a fight or
put down Our Country.
Ever notice that.?That was for anyone who reads this post.
Y'know the utter "they".
Their all over the place.
Ever notice that.
And even is you don't ya should done oughta,by golly.
Bee 4 Real.
Stand UP for America.
Don't sit down and Post like a Liberal.

They instruct them as to how they should think, and what they should think.
I mean,who are the "they".?
The powers-that-be; i.e., the people who make the decisions about this country's policies and general direction; the wealthiest men of power and influence; the owners of the Corporate sector.


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Full Spectrum Dominance in a Media Culture:
Never before has censorship been so perfect. Never before have those who are still led to believe, in a few countries, that they remain free citizens, been less entitled to make their opinions heard, wherever it is a matter of choices affecting their real lives. Never before has it been possible to lie to them so brazenly. ----Guy Debord, Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, 1988Rahul Mahajan (2003:181) notes that it is already passé to say that the Bush administration's foreign policy is a form of new imperialism—a statement echoed recently by Arundhati Roy (2004:11) who concedes that the "New Imperialism"—while a remodeled, streamlined version of what once was—is "already upon us." Of course, the history of American imperialism is a long and tortuous one. What is important to recognize is, along with Roy, that for the "first time in history, a single empire with an arsenal of weapons that could obliterate the world in an afternoon has complete, unipolar, economic and military hegemony" (Roy, 2004:11). Remarkably, few Americans today would entertain "the idea that their nation stands for anything but peaceful, democratic, humanitarian ends," but the uncomfortable reality "scarcely fits this kind of fanciful mythology" (Boggs, 2003:1). And, contrary to the benevolent rhetoric espoused by Bush—namely that the United States has been "called" upon to defend "the hopes of all mankind"—these are the dark and stench-filled days of Empire.


The current drive towards "American empire" may not constitute a classic imperial mission for control of other territories and the desire to establish a set of colonies around the globe, but it does reflect the use of political and military power on behalf of an ideology—a radical, pro-corporate, anti-government, free market fundamentalism that accumulates surplus value on behalf of the global capitalist elite.

Given the victorious history of U.S. propaganda operations during the last century (Snow, 2002), the present role of the mainstream mass media in reproducing and perpetuating a culture of militarism within the United States cannot be underestimated. Nor, for that matter, can the media's role in aiding and abetting U.S. propaganda and military interventions abroad. Indeed, the build-up to the recent war in Iraq clearly illustrated how the American media were transmogrified into hollow echo chambers that gleefully valorized U.S. military might and an unthinking "patriotism" and served as but one example of how the elite, agenda-setting western media fulfill a propaganda function by adhering to an imperialist ideology and by legitimizing deceptive and duplicitous U.S. interventionist forays (Scatamburlo-D'Annibale, forthcoming). In this regard, Debord's comments, cited above and penned several years ago, have taken on a new (and indeed chilling) significance as we survey the contemporary social, political and cultural landscape of the United States.



http://www.jceps.com/index.php?pageID=article&articleID=65

The great thing about this Country and corporate America
is voting shares.Every owner of common stock has Voting shares or
a Proxy option to vote on Corporate Policy.
That includes the voting of Board members and latest initiative
that influences a company's bottom line or future.
Corporate America doesn't legislate.That's for Congress and
Senate to approve.

The great thing about this Country and corporate America
is voting shares.Every owner of common stock has Voting shares or
a Proxy option to vote on Corporate Policy.
That includes the voting of Board members and latest initiative
that influences a company's bottom line or future.
Corporate America doesn't legislate.That's for Congress and
Senate to approve.

Gee whiz, that's too hard! They should just do what we say!

Why don't you post the rest of that quote Decka?

Quit being such a transparent partisan hack.

ummm the rest of the quote doesn't have much to say when they admit they can't prove anything... they just try to scare you with some "one wonders what kind of influence blah blah..." here I'll put the rest up just so you can be happy.

"... but it does lead to wonder what sort of an effect such relationships can have."

Yes.. it does lead one to "wonder"... why didn't I think of that!! I'll bet you'd make a great lawyer dharm...

*Dharmabum speaks to the jury*

DHARMA: "Now.. i can't PROVE that Mr. Green did it in the Kitchen with the knife... but Mr. Green was in the Kitchen at some point that night... and there is a knife... that information has to LEAD ONE TO WONDER if Mr. Green did it!!!"

JURY'S THOUGHTS: "What an idiot..."

Corporate America doesn't legislate.
Neither do dictators.

And for exactly the same reason; it is not necessary to 'legislate' anything when you are in possession of virtually complete control.

Neither do dictators.

And for exactly the same reason; it is not necessary to 'legislate' anything when you are in possession of virtually complete control.

If yer driving at the power of corporaate america to take care of
their own and protect Board members,by snidely and under cover of
night,buy up common shares by manipulation or insider means thus
enabling their own future or Power to control in Board rooms,you
may be right.But that's standard practice for a company to make sure
the majority of shares are in the hands of those who won't fold if a
run occurs.
But why did it take little 'ol me to puitz dat into words.? {rhetorical} !