I am so sick of Hezbelleh thinking they control Lebenon. Who the hell are they to tell the Lebonon army who is controlled by the leaders of Lebonon not to go into palistine camps?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/25/lebanon.nasrallah/index.html


Story Highlights• Leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah warns camp entry is "crossing red line"
• Hezbollah is confronting Islamic militants in Palestinian refugee camp
• Hezbollah is a Shiite organization that views al Qaeda as an enemy

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(CNN) -- The leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, has warned the Lebanese army not to enter the Palestinian refugee camp north of Tripoli where it has been confronting Islamic militants.

Nasrallah -- in a televised address to mark the seventh anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon -- said that to enter the camp would be crossing a red line, and the Palestinians should not be touched.

"Suppose that the government is having a war on terror, that doesn't mean they should kill half of the people on the street," he said in a reference to Palestinian civilians crammed into the Nahr el-Bared camp. (Read about Lebanon's warning to militants)

He also criticized the militants of Fatah al-Islam, who are holed up inside the camp, accusing them of an aggression against the army that was an aggression against all of Lebanon.

Hezbollah, a Shiite organization, views extremist Sunni groups such as al Qaeda and Fatah al-Islam as enemies.

Nasrallah said that a negotiated political settlement according to the rule of law should be reached to preserve the integrity of the Lebanese army. The Lebanese military stays out of the Palestinian camps under a 1969 agreement that allows the Palestinians to run them.

Siniora: We are not killers
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora told CNN's Brent Sadler he considers the battle part of the war on terrorism, not a conflict between Lebanon and the Palestinians. "To the contrary, I believe strongly that this war is targeting Lebanon on the one hand and the Palestinians on the other," he said.

"Either they will surrender, or the Lebanese government and the Lebanese army is going to really pursue the matter to the end," Siniora said. "If left, I can assure you, this is going to be very contagious. It's like cancer. It has to be really removed completely, otherwise it's going to expand. ...

"I believe that what we are doing, it is in the interest of the Palestinians, it is in the interest of the Lebanese," Siniora said. (Watch Lebanese PM Fouad Siniora say the army are not killers )

Nasrallah was also critical of the Lebanese government's request to the United States for military aid during the crisis.

"We should be aware of the American interference," he said. "[As for] the American intervention in this incident there should be an investigation into who took the decision."

The Hezbollah leader also said that Lebanon must not be allowed to become a battleground between the army and groups affiliated with al Qaeda. He said this would tempt the United States to bring the war on terror to Lebanese soil, as it had in Iraq.

"Are you willing to fight the wars of others inside Lebanon?" he asked his audience. "I want to warn that we should not be dragged by the Americans to fight their battle in Lebanon."

Nasrallah also called for the formation of an emergency government of national unity to tackle Lebanon's political crisis. Hezbollah has long been critical of the Siniora's government.

I am so sick of Hezbelleh thinking they control Lebenon. Who the hell are they to tell the Lebonon army who is controlled by the leaders of Lebonon not to go into palistine camps?

Hizballa is not just a band with automats. They are a political party of Lebanon, they reside in parliament, they have representatives in government. They finance schools and hospitals. They enjoy support from people, especially in southern Lebanon.
Not to go to palestinian camps is not Nasralla's wish - it is a point of international contract of 1969.

Hezbellah is only 1/3 of the parliment. They are not the Lebonon governement and I am sure the contract did think about a terrorist group hiding instead the palistine refugee camp. Hezballah has tried to take over all the government in Lebonon. They are not to be trusted. Yes they do fund hospitals and other stuff to win the hearts and minds of the people. HOwever when Isreal attacked them they hid behind the very same citizens they claimed so much to care about using them politically because the civillians got in the way and got killed Hezballah turned it into Isreals fault. Hezballah is a terrorist organization themselves and they have no honor. I piss on them.

Hezbellah is only 1/3 of the parliment. They are not the Lebonon governement and I am sure the contract did think about a terrorist group hiding instead the palistine refugee camp. Hezballah has tried to take over all the government in Lebonon. They are not to be trusted. Yes they do fund hospitals and other stuff to win the hearts and minds of the people. HOwever when Isreal attacked them they hid behind the very same citizens they claimed so much to care about using them politically because the civillians got in the way and got killed Hezballah turned it into Isreals fault. Hezballah is a terrorist organization themselves and they have no honor. I piss on them.
I'm afraid in the Middle East people mostly have very different understanding of what Hizballa is, than you do. I would say, diametrically opposite. For an average arab Israel and the United States are terrorists, and Hizballa is a resistance movement. Moreover, from the 3'd side Bush seems not a lesser fanatic than Hasan Nasralla.

And i don't remember when did Hizballa tried to take over the power in Lebanon. Since 1992 they take part in elections, and get seats in government with accordance to election results - that's it. Yes, they are in opposition to nowadays government, but since the civil war Hizballa is the most powerful (in military meaning) organization in the country and they didn't make any islamic revolution yet.

if some group claiming to care so much about us and then provoked the enemy by kidnapping and killing soilders and then set up launchers right by hosptials and childrens centers and then the enemy targeting them hitting innocent children and sick people. I would highly question these people value of me. I would think to myself "they are using me as human shields" Those who do not see that are messed up.

If you care for your kids you don't hold them infront of you when someone is shooting at you!!

Sorry but the middle east does not like Hezballah because they are shi'ite and controlled by Iran and no body in the middle east likes Iran because they are not truly arab they are persian.

To the southern people of Lebonese only is hezballah looked up as resitance fighters. NO one else buys thier bullshit and thier propaganda. The only thing that hezballah and the middle east agree on is that they hate the Jews and want them gone.

if some group claiming to care so much about us and then provoked the enemy by kidnapping and killing soilders1. Soldiers aren't kidnapped they are captured (the 1st sign that the media is shaping your opinions)
2. It is disputed where the Israeli soldiers were captured. Some reports were saying they were across the border in Lebanon.
then set up launchers right by hosptials and childrens centers and then the enemy targeting them hitting innocent children and sick people. I would highly question these people value of me. I would think to myself "they are using me as human shields" Those who do not see that are messed up.I have seen no evidence that Hez was using hospitals and 'childrens centers' as staging grounds for military attacks, please provide a source. I tried looking for on and all I found is this HRW article saying that it was untrue
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/22/lebano14061.htm (and I obviously need t point out that they also condemned hezbollah for firing unguided rockets into civilian areas least you try to discredit my source.)
If you care for your kids you don't hold them infront of you when someone is shooting at you!! one would think people would have the same emotion about Israel using poor jews as human sheild to steal land in illegal settlements but alas there is a significant bias in the world today...Not for Jews, but for Zionists.

if some group claiming to care so much about us and then provoked the enemy by kidnapping and killing soilders and then set up launchers right by hosptials and childrens centers and then the enemy targeting them hitting innocent children and sick people. I would highly question these people value of me. I would think to myself "they are using me as human shields" Those who do not see that are messed up.

If you care for your kids you don't hold them infront of you when someone is shooting at you!!
I agree with you, that launching Katyushas from city districts is not the most humanistic tactics. But, as guerilla mentioned, everybody uses antihuman tactics in varying degrees.

Sorry but the middle east does not like Hezballah because they are shi'ite and controlled by Iran and no body in the middle east likes Iran because they are not truly arab they are persian.

To the southern people of Lebonese only is hezballah looked up as resitance fighters. NO one else buys thier bullshit and thier propaganda. The only thing that hezballah and the middle east agree on is that they hate the Jews and want them gone.
You're speaking like an all-seeing eye, and seem to live in some parallel reality, warrior. I would advise you first of all to turn off your TV and at least once visit Middle East.

1. Soldiers aren't kidnapped they are captured (the 1st sign that the media is shaping your opinions)
2. It is disputed where the Israeli soldiers were captured. Some reports were saying they were across the border in Lebanon.
I have seen no evidence that Hez was using hospitals and 'childrens centers' as staging grounds for military attacks, please provide a source. I tried looking for on and all I found is this HRW article saying that it was untrue
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/22/lebano14061.htm (and I obviously need t point out that they also condemned hezbollah for firing unguided rockets into civilian areas least you try to discredit my source.)
one would think people would have the same emotion about Israel using poor jews as human sheild to steal land in illegal settlements but alas there is a significant bias in the world today...Not for Jews, but for Zionists.

I watched the whole conflict break out on several media outlits and they all said the same thing about Hezballah.

When you take soilders to swap for terrorist it is called KIDNAPPING. That is like people trying to call a fetus a baby. Changing the terms to not make it look so bad.

I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth.

Jews overreacted to the attacked but Hezballah clearly provoked them then they cry foul when they get pounded. I do not feel sorry for Hezballah or anyone who support them. I am tired of people demonizing the Jews.
:rolleyes:

I agree with you, that launching Katyushas from city districts is not the most humanistic tactics. But, as guerilla mentioned, everybody uses antihuman tactics in varying degrees.


You're speaking like an all-seeing eye, and seem to live in some parallel reality, warrior. I would advise you first of all to turn off your TV and at least once visit Middle East.

Um I let the Journalist do it for me. I will not go the middle east especially since terrorist are after our heads. If they want the truth to come out maybe they shouldn't threaten to kill and burn americans or anyone who criticized Muhamad. Thier protests and beheading signs says all the truth here is over some freakn drawings of Muhamad. Perahps if Jews blew themselves up to mass murder people and threaten to behead people for blashmapy perhaps I would thing Jews are uncivilized.

The truth is terrorist groups mass at Isreals borders and harass them. Hama and Hezballah have no business at Isreals borders considering they want to both wipe Isreal off the map. I mean if AL Queda was on our mexican and canadan border and shooting off rockets at us do you think we would just sit there and let them do it?????

Why should Isreal??

Sorry but the middle east does not like Hezballah because they are shi'ite and controlled by Iran and no body in the middle east likes Iran because they are not truly arab they are persian.

To the southern people of Lebonese only is hezballah looked up as resitance fighters. NO one else buys thier bullshit and thier propaganda. The only thing that hezballah and the middle east agree on is that they hate the Jews and want them gone.Here's evidence to the contrary:
http://worldpoliticsreview.com/Article.aspx?id=594

Let me highlight the parts significant to this discussion:

Of the world leaders admired most by respondents, Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, was first, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came in third, despite the fact both are Shia Muslims and the latter is not Arab.
Respondents also view Hezbollah more favorably since the July-August 2006 war against Israel. More than two-thirds -- or 68 percent -- of those surveyed said they had a more positive attitude toward Hezbollah after last year's war; including 58 percent and 50 percent respectively in Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

The source is from a blog not a legitamate media source
:rolleyes:

Um I let the Journalist do it for me. I will not go the middle east especially since terrorist are after our heads. If they want the truth to come out maybe they shouldn't threaten to kill and burn americans or anyone who criticized Muhamad. Thier protests and beheading signs says all the truth here is over some freakn drawings of Muhamad. Perahps if Jews blew themselves up to mass murder people and threaten to behead people for blashmapy perhaps I would thing Jews are uncivilized.

The reason he told you to visit the Middle East is because your perception of the area is twisted and shaped by American Media. Your statements suggesting that every Muslim in the Middle East is uncivilized are farfetched, unbelievable and idiotic. The truth is out there, your just ignoring it. So I suggest like others on this board, you visit the area or at the very least look for a different source of news about the Middle East.

The truth is terrorist groups mass at Isreals borders and harass them. Hama and Hezballah have no business at Isreals borders considering they want to both wipe Isreal off the map. I mean if AL Queda was on our mexican and canadan border and shooting off rockets at us do you think we would just sit there and let them do it?????

Why should Isreal??

America isn't occupying Mexico or Canada. So there really is no comparison. One would think that your sympathy for the treatment of Native Indians by Americans would be equivalent to that of Palestinians by Israelis. But I guess not. All in all, I really do believe you should stop posting about the Middle East because, in all seriousness, you do not know anything about the area.

Isreal is called a country by the UN and the world. Everyone but the middle east calles Isreal a country and not an occupation. If the Muslims have a problem with it they have a problem with the world because the world agreed to place Isreal in the middle east.
Muslims need to get over it. They were out voted on the subject and they lost by powers greater than themselves.

So stop trying to twist the truth to the poor middle east an all thier woes becuase of evil jews.

They got a problem with it they need to take it up with UN and Nato and other world factions who in the 50's after WW2 all agreed to put Isreal there.

As for muslims in the middle east thier Koran says it all. Taxing anyone who is non muslim for protection from muslims. I have read the Koran and it is worse than the bible. Anyone following that book is a loonatic and believe thier religion is superior over all others and has a nazi mentality. Woman have to cover themselves because men cannot control what is in thier pants. It is ok for a man to beat his wife. Honnor killings!!!
Please spare me the whole ignorants spiel. I have read the Koran and what these people believe in. Muslims here are not as rigid as those in the middle east. There are very few moderates in the middle east as there are very few moderates in the bible belt.

So spare me.

Isreal is called a country by the UN and the world. Everyone but the middle east calles Isreal a country and not an occupation. If the Muslims have a problem with it they have a problem with the world because the world agreed to place Isreal in the middle east.
Muslims need to get over it. They were out voted on the subject and they lost by powers greater than themselves.

Between 1955 to 1992, Israel was in violation of 65 UN Resolutions that condemned them for their behavior and treatment of the Palestinian population. I'm talking about the occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, not was is now known as Israel. The UN did not give all of Palestine away. They divied the country in two: one for the Jewish Population and the rest for the Palestinian Population. And the vote are you talking about?

So stop trying to twist the truth to the poor middle east an all thier woes becuase of evil jews.

They got a problem with it they need to take it up with UN and Nato and other world factions who in the 50's after WW2 all agreed to put Isreal there.

You should stop talking about a subject you know nothing about. It's funny how you can just call it a problem. It's more than that. It's a disaster. Tragedy has reeked upon the Palestinian polulation and as long as the Israel occupation continues the suffering the Palestinians go through everyday is going to get worse.

As for muslims in the middle east thier Koran says it all. Taxing anyone who is non muslim for protection from muslims. I have read the Koran and it is worse than the bible. Anyone following that book is a loonatic and believe thier religion is superior over all others and has a nazi mentality. Woman have to cover themselves because men cannot control what is in thier pants. It is ok for a man to beat his wife. Honnor killings!!!

I'm at loss of words. Seriously, I would have never thought there can be anyone as stupid as you. I do not believe you read the Quran. And judging by how you write and post, if you read it, I know for a fact you have no idea what it meant. Judging by the above paragraphs alone, your outlook on Muslims and the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict is more than just distorted. It's sinister. It looks like something out of Mein Kampf.

Please spare me the whole ignorants spiel. I have read the Koran and what these people believe in. Muslims here are not as rigid as those in the middle east. There are very few moderates in the middle east as there are very few moderates in the bible belt.

So spare me.

Have you really posted more than a 1000 times? :confused:

God I love this when I quote stuff from the actual book!! That people claims these words do not exist.

Six translations of Qur'an 4:34: ( of beating your wife)

"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Arberry's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)

Honor killings
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

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Zimmis (those in custody) are non-Muslim subjects who live in Muslim countries and agree to pay the Jizya (tribute) in exchange for protection and safety, and to be subject to Islamic law. These enjoy a permanent covenant.
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

yeah and I plan to post 2,000 times by the end of the day whats your fucking point!!?

get a grip and get educated about Islam from books by non islam. IT is like getting information about Native Americans from our governement. or non bias reports from Faux news.

God I love this when I quote stuff from the actual book!! That people claims these words do not exist.

Six translations of Qur'an 4:34: ( of beating your wife)

"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
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Great Job. You got the translation. Next time get the interpretation. If you truly knew about the Muslim religion, you would know that the Hadith interprets the Quran. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it the verse as "a light tap that leaves no mark". "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?"

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544256


Honor killings
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

1)
Zimmis (those in custody) are non-Muslim subjects who live in Muslim countries and agree to pay the Jizya (tribute) in exchange for protection and safety, and to be subject to Islamic law. These enjoy a permanent covenant.
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543392

OK... They are seeking protection of an Islamic Government. They are going to have to pay taxes so they can practice their own beliefs.


yeah and I plan to post 2,000 times by the end of the day whats your fucking point!!?

You spend a lot your time posting about a subject you know nothing about.

get a grip and get educated about Islam from books by non islam. IT is like getting information about Native Americans from our governement. or non bias reports from Faux news.

I'm Muslim......

well Muhammad (may piss be upon him) was a pediphile who had sex with a 9 year old and anything from Islam source is bias and sugar coated to convert and ease people into that religion.
Sorry but your tainted sugar coated sources mean absolutely nothing to me.

That is like a christian saying the crusades were valid to protect the world from Muslim invasion or that they never send children to be slaughtered my muslims in one of their crusaders or a trying to explain way the murdering and seriel killing of thier god in the old testiment out of nothing but anger.

Sorry I do not buy it go take your propaganda to someone who cares.

well Muhammad (may piss be upon him) was a pediphile who had sex with a 9 year old and anything from Islam source is bias and sugar coated to convert and ease people into that religion.
Sorry but your tainted sugar coated sources mean absolutely nothing to me.

Be disrespectful all you want, I don't care. You mean nothing to me. But I do feel for your children. Unfortunately for them, they have you as a parent. And you can go on your crusade about how many things in the world are wrong, just know that your one of them.

That is like a christian saying the crusades were valid to protect the world from Muslim invasion or that they never send children to be slaughtered my muslims in one of their crusaders or a trying to explain way the murdering and seriel killing of thier god in the old testiment out of nothing but anger.

Sorry I do not buy it go take your propaganda to someone who cares.


Does anybody else miss old-reb?

Great Job. You got the translation. Next time get the interpretation. If you truly knew about the Muslim religion, you would know that the Hadith interprets the Quran. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it the verse as "a light tap that leaves no mark". "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?"

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544256




http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543392

OK... They are seeking protection of an Islamic Government. They are going to have to pay taxes so they can practice their own beliefs.




You spend a lot your time posting about a subject you know nothing about.



I'm Muslim......

Good post, googs.:)

Be disrespectful all you want, I don't care. You mean nothing to me. But I do feel for your children. Unfortunately for them, they have you as a parent. And you can go on your crusade about how many things in the world are wrong, just know that your one of them.




Does anybody else miss old-reb?

My kids will grow up with a secular point of view and not blaming Jews for all thier problems in thier lives.

My kids are well loved and will know the truth about religions who use god as an exuse to hate and ostrocize gays or deny facts like evolution.
My kids will grow up independent and not DEPENEDNT of an invisiable god.

Just because I do not put up with religious propaganda does not mean I do not love and take good care of my kids.

I do not beat my kids and I certianly do not brain wash my kids with myths and fables of imaginary beings that defy science and logic.

Good for you, Glenda Van Gogh.

Good post, googs.:)

Thank you ren, :thumbs:

My kids will grow up with a secular point of view and not blaming Jews for all thier problems in thier lives.

Are you trying to suggest I blame Jews for my family problems?

My kids are well loved and will know the truth about religions who use god as an exuse to hate and ostrocize gays or deny facts like evolution.

I'm sure they are. And evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory.

My kids will grow up independent and not DEPENEDNT of an invisiable god.

If your kids are going to grow up anything like you, I highly doubt they will be independent.

Just because I do not put up with religious propaganda does not mean I do not love and take good care of my kids.

What propaganda are you talking about?

I do not beat my kids and I certianly do not brain wash my kids with myths and fables of imaginary beings that defy science and logic.

First off, I shouldn't have mentioned your being a parent in the arguement but you really pissed me off. Furthermore, If you're teaching your kids your hate sprawled words you posted about the Islamic religion and the Middle East, then you are brainwashing them. And when you insult the Prophet ( may peace be upon him) and say "may piss be upon him," don't expect me not to insult you back. Your selfish and you want the world to feel sorry for you because your a lonely signle mother. Let me say it to you straight, your not going to any sympathy from anyone with your attitude. Your arrogant, selfish, hateful and rather annoying.

I practice witchcraft because I believe sending out positive or negative thoughts effect people and things that is a power within me..

Anyone who makes remarks like that really really shouldn't be criticizing other peoples' faith, wouldn't you say, Glenda? I mean, Ms Van Gogh?

Does anybody else miss old-reb?ROFL!

Yeah, he was almost rational by comparison.

Thank you ren, :thumbs:



Are you trying to suggest I blame Jews for my family problems?



I'm sure they are. And evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory.



If your kids are going to grow up anything like you, I highly doubt they will be independent.



What propaganda are you talking about?



First off, I shouldn't have mentioned your being a parent in the arguement but you really pissed me off. Furthermore, If you're teaching your kids your hate sprawled words you posted about the Islamic religion and the Middle East, then you are brainwashing them. And when you insult the Prophet ( may peace be upon him) and say "may piss be upon him," don't expect me not to insult you back. Your selfish and you want the world to feel sorry for you because your a lonely signle mother. Let me say it to you straight, your not going to any sympathy from anyone with your attitude. Your arrogant, selfish, hateful and rather annoying.

I am saying blame Jews for freakn everything. They demonize jews and do not look on them as humans it says in the koran they are pigs and monkeys ect. Yet when someone demonized Islam wow watch out for the beheadings. All you muslims do is whine about the Jews like the Jews are the only ones commiting crimes in this situation.

Evolution has 10,000 more proof than the bible claiming god made us out of dirt. It may not be a fact because we cannot go back in time over millions of years to watch it but digging up bones and carbon dating it enough proof to make it more then possible unlike god waving in wand and poofing humans into existance. I will place my bets on evolution thank you.

I am very independent thank you. My husband doesn't dare raise his voice to me and if he ever touched me I would break his fucking arm. Your little way of sugar coated beating wifes is funny. I mean you turned beating into "lightly" No man has any right to lay a fucking finger on a woman not matter what she did!! If I see another man ever touch a woman like that I will personally give him a sex change.

I am not a lonely single mother where did you get that from. I am happily married thank you to a moderate christian I might add. Don't worry I criticize the christian bible too along with the Koran. I am an equal opportunity offender so don't feel picked on or left out.

honey arrogants breeds arrogant if I am arrogant it only because I am copying you. Selfish well I have been surviving for long time in neighborhoods with gangs and a raging alcoholic mother who beat the shit out of me every other night. So I am probably selfish. It is a surviving mechinism not hateful but very angry that people fall for the crap your buying into it just drives me insane that people are so mindless to belief the crap religious propaganda feeds them and totally rejects logic and science. Yes annoying.. i guess people telling the truth about your religion is rather annoying I mean if I knew about the dirt on my religion I would want people to keep it in the dark and swept under the rug.

Anyone who makes remarks like that really really shouldn't be criticizing other peoples' faith, wouldn't you say, Glenda? I mean, Ms Van Gogh?

:upyours:

whatever. Witchcraft has been demonized by chrisitans for centuries I was making a point that people can practice witchcraft and it not be a bad thing. Wiccans creed is do what you will but harm none.

How in the hell can you turn that into something bad??

I mean they don't have a god threatening to kill your kids for your sins.

I would pick wiccan any day.

and faith is one thing denying facts like Chimpazees are 98 percent the same DNA as our own and carbon dating is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

I am saying blame Jews for freakn everything. They demonize jews and do not look on them as humans it says in the koran they are pigs and monkeys ect. Yet when someone demonized Islam wow watch out for the beheadings. All you muslims do is whine about the Jews like the Jews are the only ones commiting crimes in this situation.

LOL...Whining? You're one to talk. Again, you're misinterpreting Islamic religion. It does not say that in the Quran. Seriously, why do you post about stuff you know nothing about?

Evolution has 10,000 more proof than the bible claiming god made us out of dirt. It may not be a fact because we cannot go back in time over millions of years to watch it but digging up bones and carbon dating it enough proof to make it more then possible unlike god waving in wand and poofing humans into existance. I will place my bets on evolution thank you.

You called it a fact, it's not. Plain and simple.

I am very independent thank you. My husband doesn't dare raise his voice to me and if he ever touched me I would break his fucking arm. Your little way of sugar coated beating wifes is funny. I mean you turned beating into "lightly" No man has any right to lay a fucking finger on a woman not matter what she did!! If I see another man ever touch a woman like that I will personally give him a sex change.

It's not beating. I don't think you hold the mental capacity to truly understand any religious scripture. First off, you need to understand that the Quran is written in Arabic. And Arabic does not translate well with English. So it's difficult to explain this a non Arabic speaking person let alone to someone set on thinking Islam is a horrible religion.

I am not a lonely single mother where did you get that from. I am happily married thank you to a moderate christian I might add. Don't worry I criticize the christian bible too along with the Koran. I am an equal opportunity offender so don't feel picked on or left out.

I'm not worried about anything. I don't care about you or what you think. You mean nothing to me. You can insult the religions of the world all you want just know your going to get the exact same treatment from other people. ANd it's funny how you insult our beliefs. Look at Ren's post. I think it speaks for itself.

honey arrogants breeds arrogant if I am arrogant it only because I am copying you. Selfish well I have been surviving for long time in neighborhoods with gangs and a raging alcoholic mother who beat the shit out of me every other night. So I am probably selfish. It is a surviving mechinism not hateful but very angry that people fall for the crap your buying into it just drives me insane that people are so mindless to belief the crap religious propaganda feeds them and totally rejects logic and science. Yes annoying.. i guess people telling the truth about your religion is rather annoying I mean if I knew about the dirt on my religion I would want people to keep it in the dark and swept under the rug.

No...your're annoying because you think you know about everything in the world and when you argue againt or for something you know nothing about. Especially in this case. You called Israel a country as if I said it wasn't. You said it does not occupy the Palestinian territories even though it does. And you associate the Palestinian population with the Muslim population, when they Palestinian Christians. You also associate Israelis with Jews, when they are Israeli Arabs. You should really stop worrying about the rest of the world and worry about yourself and your family. I'm just hoping you do go insane.

LOL...Whining? You're one to talk. Again, you're misinterpreting Islamic religion. It does not say that in the Quran. Seriously, why do you post about stuff you know nothing about?



You called it a fact, it's not. Plain and simple.



It's not beating. I don't think you hold the mental capacity to truly understand any religious scripture. First off, you need to understand that the Quran is written in Arabic. And Arabic does not translate well with English. So it's difficult to explain this a non Arabic speaking person let alone to someone set on thinking Islam is a horrible religion.



I'm not worried about anything. I don't care about you or what you think. You mean nothing to me. You can insult the religions of the world all you want just know your going to get the exact same treatment from other people. ANd it's funny how you insult our beliefs. Look at Ren's post. I think it speaks for itself.



No...your're annoying because you think you know about everything in the world and when you argue againt or for something you know nothing about. Especially in this case. You called Israel a country as if I said it wasn't. You said it does not occupy the Palestinian territories even though it does. And you associate the Palestinian population with the Muslim population, when they Palestinian Christians. You also associate Israelis with Jews, when they are Israeli Arabs. You should really stop worrying about the rest of the world and worry about yourself and your family. I'm just hoping you do go insane.


Yet again you fail to quote the quran

The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses: "... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60); "...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65);[13] and "when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166).[14]

It is written right in your own quran as it is that it is ok to beat woman and that men are above woman and that woman must obey the man.

Oh yes it is the translations fault that beating your wife and the wife must submit to the man. Hmmm OK ALL CHRISTIAN your bible could have been misquoted by translation from Hebrew into English. There may be some things in your bible translated wrong. We cannot prove which parts are truthful or not so you guess. Cherry pick which parts you think are valid or not oh wait..you already did.

I do not think I know about everything. There are many political subject that I do not debate about because I do not know enough information. Hezballah I do know quite a bit of info on. Don't try to mix things up with this crap right here with your double talk.

"You called Israel a country as if I said it wasn't. You said it does not occupy the Palestinian territories even though it does. And you associate the Palestinian population with the Muslim population, when they Palestinian Christians. You also associate Israelis with Jews, when they are Israeli Arabs"

Yet again you fail to quote the quran[/quote}

I just want you to quote the Quran so I can disband your interpretation. I enjoy it.

[quote]The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses: "... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60); "...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65);[13] and "when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166).[14]

First off. it's three stories. If you were quote the full chapter quote, you would know it's the punishment of those who did not follow Moses (PEACE BE UPON HIM), you idiot. They were condemned just like Arabs were condemned.

It is written right in your own quran as it is that it is ok to beat woman and that men are above woman and that woman must obey the man.

No, you're just a friggin idiot. No matter how many times I go through this with you, you won't ever listen because your to arrogant.

Oh yes it is the translations fault that beating your wife and the wife must submit to the man. Hmmm OK ALL CHRISTIAN your bible could have been misquoted by translation from Hebrew into English. There may be some things in your bible translated wrong. We cannot prove which parts are truthful or not so you guess. Cherry pick which parts you think are valid or not oh wait..you already did.

First of all, don't call it my bibile. Second, it doesn't matter how many times I try explaining this to you. You arrogant and stubborn. Third, no, it doesn't translate the exact meaning. There are words in Arabic that don't translate well in other languages, specifically the English language. It's like translating an Arabic song to English. It doesn't sound right. Do you speak more than one language?

I do not think I know about everything. There are many political subject that I do not debate about because I do not know enough information. Hezballah I do know quite a bit of info on. Don't try to mix things up with this crap right here with your double talk.

You should stay off the subject of the Middle East. And don't plead the Iraqi's case, your views are twisted. And you are far from representing what they want. In addition. I find it strange how closely your points of view resemble that of "Faux News" and other conservative news shows, except for one little thing: they're less annoying.

The source is from a blog not a legitamate media source
:rolleyes:Firstly, it's not a blog. But if it's not good enough, here's (http://www.zogby.com/SoundBites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=14570) a link to the poll on the website for Zogby International, who conducted the poll. And here's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7080-2004Jul22.html) a Washington Post article about an older poll that tells you the same thing.

But I won't argue with you too much, lest you cast a spell on me and turn me into a toad.
(Just giving you small taste of what you dish out all the time.)

This is for you Warrior. The Arabs world most popular singer...and it's a woman. Guess what? She's not dressed in a hijab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjRoWpHAE8

This song is beautiful in Arabic. Sounds stupid with english translations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8r7YoDgft0&mode=user&search=

Sidenote, both women are extremely attractive.. :thumbs:

Firstly, it's not a blog. But if it's not good enough, here's (http://www.zogby.com/SoundBites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=14570) a link to the poll on the website for Zogby International, who conducted the poll. And here's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7080-2004Jul22.html) a Washington Post article about an older poll that tells you the same thing.

But I won't argue with you too much, lest you cast a spell on me and turn me into a toad.
(Just giving you small taste of what you dish out all the time.)

Yes witchcraft is practice of turning people into toad and unnatural things like that. Witchcraft is nothing more than wishing good or bad things to happen on people. Wiccan spefically cannot use black magic(wishing bad things to happen to people) because thier creed is do what you will but harm none. However there are other religions who do use black magic and wish harm on others.
Turning people into toads is a fable and not reality that is not what spell casting is about. You cast a spell to heal someone to channel your energy to the person casting the spell about to help hasten thier healing. It is simply the transferrance of positive thoughts to help people. I do not know if I believe in it but hell it doesn't hurt to try since you can't do anything else to help them. I mean it is perfectly ok for someone to pray to help people but to cast a spell to heal people is evil witchcraft. They only difference between the two is the one is using energy from god and the other is using energy from yourself but of course christians have demonized witchcraft to the point everyone coniders it negative or evil. Maybe one of the reasons I criticize christianity so much giving them a taste of their own medicine for year of defomation of the wiccan religion.
You did not insult me because I am not offended by statements such as these because they are more ignorant than anything else. I simply cannot take it seriously.

Warrior...he was joking. And stop avoding it. He gave you the actual results fomr the poll itself.

This is for you Warrior. The Arabs world most popular singer...and it's a woman. Guess what? She's not dressed in a hijab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjRoWpHAE8

This song is beautiful in Arabic. Sounds stupid with english translations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8r7YoDgft0&mode=user&search=

Side not, both women are extremely attractive.. :thumbs:

I am sure there are moderates out there. I never said there wasn't. I mean there are even mulsim feminist.
http://www.islam101.com/women/feminism.html

which I think is very awsome. I think woman deserve power.

So how about a woman president in the middle east? When I see that I will be impressed but a woman singer is not that a big of a statement.

moderate muslims are kewl which there were more of them.

I could care less if you pray to allah and follow muhammad as long as you see that all religions are equal and yours is not any better than anyone elses, that woman are equal and can be your boss and obtain the highest leadership in the land. That a woman does not have to submit to you in marriage and other crap like that.

Seriously, why do you post about stuff you know nothing about?

But googs, if that were the case we would not be able to read...

30-40 posts per day of cut and paste, intermingled with illogical rants, containing unfathomable spelling and grammar mistakes, and joyously stating inflamitory remarks aimed only at producing ire (not discussion and debate)?


:drinktoth

Yes witchcraft is practice of turning people into toad and unnatural things like that. Witchcraft is nothing more than wishing good or bad things to happen on people. Wiccan spefically cannot use black magic(wishing bad things to happen to people) because thier creed is do what you will but harm none. However there are other religions who do use black magic and wish harm on others.
Turning people into toads is a fable and not reality that is not what spell casting is about. You cast a spell to heal someone to channel your energy to the person casting the spell about to help hasten thier healing. It is simply the transferrance of positive thoughts to help people. I do not know if I believe in it but hell it doesn't hurt to try since you can't do anything else to help them. I mean it is perfectly ok for someone to pray to help people but to cast a spell to heal people is evil witchcraft. They only difference between the two is the one is using energy from god and the other is using energy from yourself but of course christians have demonized witchcraft to the point everyone coniders it negative or evil. Maybe one of the reasons I criticize christianity so much giving them a taste of their own medicine for year of defomation of the wiccan religion.Wow, that's about as ridiculous as Christianity and Islam.

But I'll stop ripping on Wicca, since I don't like mocking the beliefs of others. I was just trying to make a point.

You did not insult me because I am not offended by statements such as these because they are more ignorant than anything else. I simply cannot take it seriouslyWell, some people do get offended and insulted by the crap that YOU say, such as "may piss be upon him" and your whole "Come to the light" thread. You can easily make your point without things like that, yet you won't refrain from doing so even just for the sake of civility. You may think you're speaking your mind or voicing your opinion, but all you're doing is displaying a severe lack of tact and decency.

But googs, if that were the case we would not be able to read...

30-40 posts per day of cut and paste, intermingled with illogical rants, containing unfathomable spelling and grammar mistakes, and joyously stating inflamitory remarks aimed only at producing ire (not discussion and debate)?


:drinktoth
if my "rants" are so illogical than why bother paying me any mind? I mean if I am not to be taken seriously why get all warrior bashing? I mean I totally started ignoring foolsworths threads or statements all together but you do not see me calling foolsworth a fat,illogical ranting, inflaminory, troll shitstirrer? I mean seriously what energy does it take you to constantly followe me around and say the same things about me. I would think your time is better spent with logical debates with someone who would actually listen to your or is "sane" yet you sit here making me more important than I really am with your post. i am honored actually because negative attention is just as good as positive attention to me.

but you know you have logical debate with such things as what you just wrote.

Wow, that's about as ridiculous as Christianity and Islam.

But I'll stop ripping on Wicca, since I don't like mocking the beliefs of others. I was just trying to make a point.

Well, some people do get offended and insulted by the crap that YOU say, such as "may piss be upon him" and your whole "Come to the light" thread. You can easily make your point without things like that, yet you won't refrain from doing so even just for the sake of civility. You may think you're speaking your mind or voicing your opinion, but all you're doing is displaying a severe lack of tact and decency.

people do not have the right to not be offended. People offend me all the time with saying that welfare reciepence all abuse the system, should be killed of so they are not a burden to society and too lazy to really work and that some people who are disabled are faking it and can actually work but just want to milk the system. I mean they can make sweeping generalization about the poor oh but I make sweeping genelaizations about christians they cry foul. WTF ever.

saying things like prochoice=pro murder but I say god is a murderer and that is off limits. One can't sugar coat that killing a fetus isn't murder but want the world to sugar coat thier god murdered pregnant woman and infants on a regular basis.

your right I do not have tact but honestly how many people here do?? ROFLMAO
I have rarely seen anyone post with tact on this message board. Frogger tactfull. I DO NOT THINK SO... How about gurilla?? hmm.. and Napster dude? How about IMP the prize of tact and civility. SMW??

the only people I have seen with tact is Vile, paulc,sparky2,brooks,overdose and dharm unless someone personally attacks him. he does call people dumbasses from time to time so I guess he loses points for defended himself.

i am honored actually because negative attention is just as good as positive attention to me.

And therefore... an attention starved troll on a debate/discussion board.

I will not post again in answer/rebuttal to any of your copius ramblings... I only wanted you to admit what you were.

:woohoo:

wow reverse pychology really works LOL!!!

Warrior, say what you want about the other members but the fact remains that few, if any, of them have gotten into as many conflicts with other members as you have, and that too in such a short period of time. All I ask is that you put down your defenses for a minute and reflect on why that is.

HA! Like I am the only one who ever has trouble on this board. You act like I am the first person to come along and get 50 percent of the people in a tissy. It seems that many people have come and gone that has set you people off and anyone who does not have a christian/Republican point of view is a problem and a troll.

I am sure before I came along Freethinker was the target and you were saying the same things to him as you say to me now. Now I am here and you have fresh meat to fest upon.

How come all the people who do not have a problem with me happen to be liberals?? Dharm, freethinker,brooks,overdose,paulc, and others. They don't fight with me or constantly bash and harass me? I am sure I have said things the do not agree with but they don't make it thier lives work to harass and bash warrior. Could it be that simply they are more mature than yourself and others here. To simply take my words with a grain of salt?

Paulc has a problem with you, Brooks is not a liberal, Jester is a liberal.

HA! Like I am the only one who ever has trouble on this board. You act like I am the first person to come along and get 50 percent of the people in a tissy.



The only one in a "tissy" is you, fatty.

Fat--which you've freely admitted to being, rude--which you've admitted to being, and uneducated, which you'll NEVER admit to being, is no way to go through life, Goddess.

Paulc has a problem with you, Brooks is not a liberal, Jester is a liberal.

Paulc has never given me a problem if he has a problem with me he keeps it to himself and doesn't harass me about it.

The only one in a "tissy" is you, fatty.

Fat--which you've freely admitted to being, rude--which you've admitted to being, and uneducated, which you'll NEVER admit to being, is no way to go through life, Goddess.

what is your obsession with fat people? You are the reason fat people don't lose weight because you are out there calling them fat and harassing them because of thier wieght. STFU!! I have no problem with my weight. IT seems the only people who fucking care are trolls like you who have to fucking point it out every chance you get. God get over it already.

I am rude to rude people who that is a new concept.

I am uneducated but am at a University making a 3.0. How can I be uneducated and in my 3rd year in college? I mean I know more about science than half the christians on this board yet you call me uneducated??
:lolhit:

what is your obsession with fat people? You are the reason fat people don't lose weight because you are out there calling them fat and harassing them because of thier wieght. STFU!! I have no problem with my weight. IT seems the only people who fucking care are trolls like you who have to fucking point it out every chance you get. God get over it already.

I am rude to rude people who that is a new concept.

I am uneducated but am at a University making a 3.0. How can I be uneducated and in my 3rd year in college? I mean I know more about science than half the christians on this board yet you call me uneducated??
:lolhit:

First off, ren's "obsession" with fat people isn't an obsession at all. She probably said it because she knows your fat and she wants to irritate you as you irritate her and I and many other people on this board. And second, wtf is your obsession with people of faith, in particular Christians. I highly doubt you know more about science than Christians. If anything, I'd say you are probably the least knowledgeable of half the Christians on the board and the least likeable of anyone on the boards. I really do think if you take Jester's advice, people will start beginning to maybe like. I know it sounds extremely unlikely but it's just a thought.

yes people deny evolution, deny that chimpanzees have 98 percent the DNA as ourselves and deny carbon dating have more knowlege about science than myself. People who believe a magical being poofed us into existance and believe in intelligant falling are people of logic. Get a grip.
I do not have a problem with the people of faith. I have absolutley no problem with Hindus, Buddhist,Taoist,januism, shinto, or Unitarians. I have a problem with anyone who condones a god that says the he will hurt or kill kids for the sins of the parents or kills little kids for laughing at a bald man.
I have a problem with supremist christians because they think they have a right to harass minority religions and non-religions. Claiming that agnostic and athiest has no set of morals and values and that pagan are doomed to hell because they believe in more than one god.

WTF ever.

HA! Like I am the only one who ever has trouble on this board. You act like I am the first person to come along and get 50 percent of the people in a tissy. In all the time I've been on this forum, I can't remember anyone who's come close to what you've achieved.

It seems that many people have come and gone that has set you people off and anyone who does not have a christian/Republican point of view is a problem and a troll.There are PLENTY of people here (myself included) who are neither Christian nor Republican and have never been accused of being a problem or a troll. You are among the very few.

I am sure before I came along Freethinker was the target and you were saying the same things to him as you say to me now. Now I am here and you have fresh meat to fest upon.That is quite simply false. Freethinker has never been a "target" and I would say that his presence here is welcomed by most. Even though he holds opinions that many here disagree with, he is still able to debate with civility and without causing trouble with other members. You could probably learn something from him.

How come all the people who do not have a problem with me happen to be liberals?? Dharm, freethinker,brooks,overdose,paulc, and others. They don't fight with me or constantly bash and harass me? I am sure I have said things the do not agree with but they don't make it thier lives work to harass and bash warrior. Could it be that simply they are more mature than yourself and others here. To simply take my words with a grain of salt?There are in fact liberals on here (again, myself included) who have a problem with you. As I've said before, it's not about your views, it's about the way you express them. This thread is a perfect example of that... googs has had plenty of people here criticize his religion, yet I don't think he's ever gotten as pissed off about it as he has in this thread.

As long as I've been a member of this forum nobody has been the cause of so many problems and so much conflict. But you're clearly never going change, so I'm just going to stop trying. Do whatever the hell you want, warrior, but don't be surprised and get all defensive when your nastiness and attitude are returned.

And by the way, you're the last person I would need lessons in maturity from. In fact, you could use a few yourself.

Very well said, Jester.

well Muhammad (may piss be upon him) was a pediphile who had sex with a 9 year old and anything from Islam source is bias and sugar coated to convert and ease people into that religion. OK Troll listen up

"piss be upon him" - totally unecessary and beyond that makes you sound like a third grader.
'Pedophile has sex...etc" Sure great. You could at least spell pedophile right...
"anything from islam source is bias"
A. all sources are biased
B. use complete sentences, people might actually think you can think...
C. correct conjugation is good to (go look it up...)
D. you just said ALL islamic sources are biased. That like saying all Wiccans are royal bitches. is it true?
E. Thanks for showing people you have a closed mind on certain subjects. Perhaps you could be less offensive about it next time.

I don't want to put you on ignore but your making it very hard. And if you don't quit farking up the boards you may just get voted off. No this isn't Survivor, No its not your 'free speech, , no it has never, ever happened before, Yes it would be about the good of the allforums community, Yes I am seriously considering proposing it.

I would love to continue this argument but you are all boring me to tears. Think I will start 5 new threads today. Get over it all ready!!

ROFL!

Yeah, he was almost rational by comparison.


:lolhit:


I wonder what he's up to....