Not the End of the World as We Know It
By Olaf Stampf

How bad is climate change really? Are catastrophic floods and terrible droughts headed our way? Despite widespread fears of a greenhouse hell, the latest computer simulations are delivering far less dramatic predictions about tomorrow's climate.

The rest of the article can be found at:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,481684,00.html

computers? why not just ask nostradamus?

quatrain 123456

"the earth will bring boil
toxic gas consumes our mother
the flying beast spits it out
dont forget to vote the donkey"

Here's the fact.

The fact is modern science has no fucking clue how bad glabal warming WILL be. But has many guess on how bad it CAN be. No matter what the change is it won't be good. If less humans contribute and speed up the phenomenon the better.

Au contraire. It might indeed be very good. It would be nice to see growing seasons in northern climes extended, to see crops grown where they cannot be grown now.

Au contraire. It might indeed be very good. It would be nice to see growing seasons in northern climes extended, to see crops grown where they cannot be grown now. With massive flooding of coastal cities, possible destruction of the rainforests, extension of the deserts and the earth of many migratory species.

A significant and fast change in the climate is not good in any sense.

In the Climate Change models a difference of .5 degrees prvides a dramatically different result. The point is we have no clue what the hell will happen and chances are likelier than not to be very bad. Sure it might not be bad. But hey if thats your attitude you wanna play some Russian Roulette? Only a 16% chance of something bad happening...and it'd only be your death rather then that of thousands/millions... of people

here is a better one:

someone may play russian rulete and have a 16% chance of dying so we are taking away everyones gun just in case

here is a better one:

someone may play russian rulete and have a 16% chance of dying so we are taking away everyones gun just in case Really? Please show where Anyone has ever called for demanding everyone to turn in there cars for destruction? No? Please stop using your alamist Bullshit arguments then.

You are being asked to reduce your use. The fact that you are such a selfish asshole as to see this as an attack on you is sad indeed.

how do you know I havent reduced my usage? Just because you dont buy into the hype doesnt mean you automatically just waste and abuse. Everyone likes clean air and water, even conservatives.

if you have out of genuine respect for the environment then good for you.

However many do so only because it saves you money...

does it really matter why someone does it? If someone does it to savew money does that not count in your eyes? who made you the judge anyway?

No it still counts. Its just not motivated by concern for the environment...just looking for some honesty...

Not the End of the World as We Know It
By Olaf Stampf

How bad is climate change really? Are catastrophic floods and terrible droughts headed our way? Despite widespread fears of a greenhouse hell, the latest computer simulations are delivering far less dramatic predictions about tomorrow's climate.

The rest of the article can be found at:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,481684,00.html
lmao, 10 years ago they were talking about a great ice age!

the main problem with it all, is IF it warms, storms will be worse, there will and can be massive species die off, and less biodiversity, and let's not forget the further spread of diseases usually only found in warmer climes.

now all this COULD cause the ice caps melting and COOLING the oceans off, and thus resulting into another ice age. who knows? we'll see.

but the only way to absolutely make the changes in the future less hurtful, is for everyone to just stop using fossil fuels all together at once. weaning people off it won't do much good at all because it will be spread out over a far too long of a time line.

electric producers, car manufacturers, etc., are going to have to bite the bullet and SHARE technology, and energy instead of making massive profits.

the main people who will suffer the most WILL be the poor. in all forms and facets of the future. due to the rich man's greed.

The poor always suffer the most, because they are poor. They always have, and always will. This is true under all conditions.

now all this COULD cause the ice caps melting and COOLING the oceans off, and thus resulting into another ice age. who knows? we'll see. lolz :lolhit:

Ive read that The Gulf Stream will be one of the first major casualties of Global Warming,which is great when you live in Ireland,as it gives us our weather about 50 weeks of the year.
It appears that as the Greenland ice sheet melts its pouring vast amounts of fresh water into the North Atlantic,which could dillute the Gulf Stream current enough to either make it stop all together or make it change course.
I have visions of Polar Bears running round the garden.

computers? why not just ask nostradamus?

quatrain 123456

"the earth will bring boil
toxic gas consumes our mother
the flying beast spits it out
dont forget to vote the donkey"

How bout asking the IPCC, they've predicted the average temperature increase.

Au contraire. It might indeed be very good. It would be nice to see growing seasons in northern climes extended, to see crops grown where they cannot be grown now.

Think all of the species of animals that live in the changing climates will understand the problem? But I'm sure mass extinctions isn't really a concern for people who don't care about anything other than themselves, so I rarely bring this argument up when dealing with people who delude themselves into thinking spewing CO2 into the air is going to do good things for the planet.

Not the End of the World as We Know It
By Olaf Stampf

How bad is climate change really? Are catastrophic floods and terrible droughts headed our way? Despite widespread fears of a greenhouse hell, the latest computer simulations are delivering far less dramatic predictions about tomorrow's climate.

The rest of the article can be found at:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,481684,00.html

Yeah, maybe changing the composition of our atmosphere won't have any far-reaching consequences. Let's risk it so we can keep driving SUV's!

Leper,

Mass extinctions occured long before man walked the earth. Besides, the scenerio offered in the article does not contain dire shifts in temperature necessary for such to happen. We have had global warming of a similar degree within recorded history and rather than being calamitous it was beneficial. More cropse were grown for food, more acreage became available, more people lived for more years, Greenland suppported sheep and cattle. Assuming that Global Warming will be a bad thing is simply that, an assumption and one not based on strong scientific evidence. History shows that assumption to be wrong.

No it still counts. Its just not motivated by concern for the environment...just looking for some honesty...

I forgot, to libs all that matters is how you feel when you doing something. Perhaps one day you can become a member of the thought police and make sure everyones reasons for doing things is pure.

Mass extinctions occured long before man walked the earth. Yes and they will continue to happen long after man no longer walks the earth. The question is do you want to be responsible for helping to kill of your own species?

Besides, the scenerio offered in the article does not contain dire shifts in temperature necessary for such to happen. We have had global warming of a similar degree within recorded history and rather than being calamitous it was beneficial. More cropse were grown for food, more acreage became available, more people lived for more years, Greenland suppported sheep and cattle. Assuming that Global Warming will be a bad thing is simply that, an assumption and one not based on strong scientific evidence. History shows that assumption to be wrong.
The fact is that scientists have no fucking clue how bad or what the outcomes of climate change will be. And the fact is that the only reason you are pushing this 'happy-fun-time-mass-extinction' is because it allows to do ABSOLUTLY NOTHING. Its a selfish and lazy way to deal with a potential problem.

"Hey look theres an iceburg off the port bow. Maybe we should slow down and try to steer around it"

"Do not worry, you moron, this ship, she is unsinkable. The best enginners in the world have made her so. In fact I hope we hit it to prove how right I am. Now quit being so alarmist and go back to sleep"

I forgot, to libs all that matters is how you feel when you doing something. Perhaps one day you can become a member of the thought police and make sure everyones reasons for doing things is pure. I forgot, Anyone who disagress with you is "a lib". Perhaps one day you can grow up, quit being so selfish and give a shit about people other than yourself. Oh and you could speak with some honesty instead of trying to pretend you are a good person.

so now you are the judge of who is a good person plus the judge of people intentions? drop dead A hole.

Mother nature will have the last say before anything we would do would make a differance.
If a major volcano erupted, there wouldn't be a thing we could do to stop it or change the effects it will have on us. The changes in the winds thru the El Ninos and La Ninas changes things too. I really don't see where we as mere humans think we have any sort of impact on the enviroment.

I really don't see where we as mere humans think we have any sort of impact on the enviroment.

"Tropical forests of all varieties are disappearing rapidly as humans clear the natural landscape to make room for farms and pastures, to harvest timber for construction and fuel, and to build roads and urban areas. Although deforestation meets some human needs, it also has profound, sometimes devastating, consequences, including social conflict, extinction of plants and animals, and climate change—challenges that aren’t just local, but global."

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/

now all this COULD cause the ice caps melting and COOLING the oceans off, and thus resulting into another ice age. who knows? we'll see.



that absolutely could not happen! water doesn't appear and disappear out of nowhere...not even as ice.

Think all of the species of animals that live in the changing climates will understand the problem? But I'm sure mass extinctions isn't really a concern for people who don't care about anything other than themselves, so I rarely bring this argument up when dealing with people who delude themselves into thinking spewing CO2 into the air is going to do good things for the planet.
photosynthesis.

"Tropical forests of all varieties are disappearing rapidly as humans clear the natural landscape to make room for farms and pastures, to harvest timber for construction and fuel, and to build roads and urban areas. Although deforestation meets some human needs, it also has profound, sometimes devastating, consequences, including social conflict, extinction of plants and animals, and climate change—challenges that aren’t just local, but global."

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/

I know deforestation has an impact on the earth, I just find it hard to believe it has as much of one as they say it does. Farms and pastures are used to replace the area and I can't believe it would cause the extinction of any animal or plant. The same species are scattered all over not wiped out in the removal of trees.
I do see the changes in winds it would cause but also see the plus side of the spreading of seeds of new trees and bushes and migration of animals to the new place. Like when a fire destroys large areas of land, the new regrowth is beneficial not detrimental to the environment.

The position of the earth, the rate of rotation on it's axis, the eruption of volcanoes and the earthquake change the earth much more then mankind as a whole could, all natural occurrences. The only thing I might agree on it the change of rotation man has causes by sending ships into the galaxies. Breaking the barrier and slowing down the earths rotation. The 'second' of daylight savings time we lost WAS our fault. Other than that, no. Mother nature will kill us all before we off ourselves.

The following is a reply from one of my contacts at Multiply.com after I posted the link and excerpts from "Al Gore's "An Unconvenient Truth":

FINALLY, most Americans are realizing that Global warming is a reality and not a myth. Al Gore has been criticized for years for trying to educate the mass of selfish Americans to the disaster that WILL happen if we do not solve the problem. Any educated person knows that decades of toxic emissions put into the air and water can cause only havoc to the environment. We (the USA) are the WORST for polluting, but our government seems to feel that corporate gain is more important than protecting that which sustains life...the air we breathe and the water we drink. I hope people finally raise their voices and DEMAND change....before it is too late. Thank you for the post and your cool site. :-)
BTW? I read the book AND saw the movie several times.

I just read somewhere yesterday, I think is was a new story from AP, that said in 2085 the average summer tempuratures would be right around 105 degrees in Florida. Mid 90's in the northeast, and like 120 in the southwest. Average tempuratures mind you. This is what a computer model is predicting. I dont know how much stock I would put into that, but it sure sounds scary.

I dont know how much stock I would put into that,

I wouldn't place any stock in those alarmist, hyperbolic statements.

Why does everyone think it's so ridiculous that global warming could result in an ice age? Just because it's called global warming? Like Paul said, if the ice caps melt and put enough fresh water into the oceans, the Gulf Stream will be interrupted and warm air will no longer be brought to the northern regions, turning temperate areas into arctic regions and tropical into temperate.. I suppose we'll all just have to go live in the tropics if that happens. There won't be too much room though, we'll just have to leave the poor people to starve in the frozen tundra. :D

Mind you, that's IF global warming is happening and happening on a large scale... But since we already have evidence of ice caps melting, it's only a matter of time.

Just because it's called global warming? Thats why its called Climate Change. the term global warming was based on old science of purely greenhouse gases in the atmoshpere and not actually looking at the atmospheric havoc it would cause.

Why does everyone think it's so ridiculous that global warming could result in an ice age? Just because it's called global warming? Like Paul said, if the ice caps melt and put enough fresh water into the oceans, the Gulf Stream will be interrupted and warm air will no longer be brought to the northern regions, turning temperate areas into arctic regions and tropical into temperate.. I suppose we'll all just have to go live in the tropics if that happens. There won't be too much room though, we'll just have to leave the poor people to starve in the frozen tundra. :D

Mind you, that's IF global warming is happening and happening on a large scale... But since we already have evidence of ice caps melting, it's only a matter of time.


I don't think its so ridiculous, in fact I think an ice age is more likely than it getting totally friggin hot anyways. Granted it would have to get a little warm before it got really cold anyways.

I don't think its so ridiculous, in fact I think an ice age is more likely than it getting totally friggin hot anyways. Granted it would have to get a little warm before it got really cold anyways.
Exactly. And anyways I think I'll be long dead before anything drastic happens so... I don't care! :D

Exactly. And anyways I think I'll be long dead before anything drastic happens so... I don't care! :D

But what about the children!?

Fuck 'em.

Fuck 'em.

So cruel.

I like it!

A bit of cooling down Forida way wouldnt do any harm,what with all that water melting first,Florida wont be there much longer.

I know deforestation has an impact on the earth, I just find it hard to believe it has as much of one as they say it does. Farms and pastures are used to replace the area and I can't believe it would cause the extinction of any animal or plant. The same species are scattered all over not wiped out in the removal of trees.

I do see the changes in winds it would cause but also see the plus side of the spreading of seeds of new trees and bushes and migration of animals to the new place. Like when a fire destroys large areas of land, the new regrowth is beneficial not detrimental to the environment.

The position of the earth, the rate of rotation on it's axis, the eruption of volcanoes and the earthquake change the earth much more then mankind as a whole could, all natural occurrences. The only thing I might agree on it the change of rotation man has causes by sending ships into the galaxies. Breaking the barrier and slowing down the earths rotation. The 'second' of daylight savings time we lost WAS our fault. Other than that, no. Mother nature will kill us all before we off ourselves. So much wrong with this I don't know where to start. Farmland is completely non-existant when compared to the oxygen, filtering and habitat of the rainforest. The rainforest works like a pair of lungs for the atmoshpere. Theres graphics of it "breathing in" all the carbon dioxide and releasing oxygen on a yearly basis.

Show me what animals live on farmland? You can't be so ignorant as to not realise that different animals live in different eco-systems.

Its like saying "all the swamps destroyed have been replced with swimming pools so how could it have any effect on animals and the environment?"