Do you believe in them?

I knew you were going to post that.:bombout:

Yes.

There's too many bizarre stories of people seeing events before they occured.

Two that come to mind are the man who foresaw the plane wrreck at O' Hare, and the woman who saw the mudslide destroy the school in Wales.

Excellent documentation for both, with many witnesses saying these people told of such things in detail before the tragedies happened.

Do you believe in them?
No, they do not exist, and people who believe in them are deluding themselves as much as those who claim they saw the future.

Do you believe in them?

No. I think it's just random luck.

There could be 500 million premonitions and 25 that are correct and people will still think premonitions are true.

Someone may have had a premonition that the plane crashed and had one that the plane was fine. Someone may have had a premonition that the school burned down, had an explosion, car drove through a wall, or nothing happened at all.

You only hear about the ones that seem to have come true. Its what that John Edwards guy always did on the show Crossing Over. You would see him miss on 3 or 4 different things but finally find himself on the right track, get the big ones right, and everyone thinks he's psychic.

I knew you were going to post that.:bombout:Ack! Beaten to it!

Damn. I didn't expect that. ;)

There could be 500 million premonitions and 25 that are correct and people will still think premonitions are true.Ironically it's the very rarity of coincidences that makes Jedi-type explanations seductive to the gullible. Coincidences wouldn't feel "odd" and "special" and "inexplicable" if they happened all the time.

I don't know....the details a few of these people describe in their "visions" seem to me to be more than random luck.

The one fella was so disturbed by his vision of the American Airlines DC-10 , which he accurately described as flipping over just after takeoff, prompted him to call the airline.
They took his story quite seriously . However, because he couldn't tell which airport he was seeing, they would have had to cancel all their flights.

Two that come to mind are the man who foresaw the plane wrreck at O' Hare, and the woman who saw the mudslide destroy the school in Wales.I have a clock my friends say is broken. They're wrong. Pop round for a moment at precisely six thirty in the morning or evening and you'll see how accurate it is.

I don't know....the details a few of these people describe in their "visions" seem to me to be more than random luck.And my clock is too consistently accurate - and I check systematically twice a day - to be broken.

LOL, perchance to dream.....

Arthur C. Clarke has written interestingly on this subject.

You guys just wanna take all the FUN out of life......

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Pronunciation
enPR: prĕm'ə-, prē'mə-nĭshʹən

Noun
Singular
premonition
Plural
premonitions


premonition (plural premonitions)

-A clairvoyant or clairaudient experience, such as a dream, which resonates with some event in the future.
-A strong intuition that something is about to happen.
The word Premonition refers to a situation when future events are foreknown or forecast. Premonitions are attributed to the presence of supernatural or paranormal abilities

For me I believe it is all coincidences. We have something happen and we turn it into something it is not..Just luck or will.

They took his story quite seriously .

I find that hard to believe.

Oh ye of little faith--

From wikipedia, concerning the wreck of American Airlines Flight 191, DC-10 out of Chicago's O'Hare in May 1979:




Arthur C. Clarke's World of Strange Powers reports the case of David Booth. In 1979, he had a series of recurring premonitory dreams that tormented him for ten consecutive nights. He saw a plane take off from an airport, bank steeply and then crash. On 22 May he called the FAA at Greater Cincinnati International Airport, American Airlines, and a psychiatrist at University of Cincinnati. The authorities took him seriously -- the FAA had guessed from Booth's description that the plane was a DC-10 -- but they could do nothing about it. The accident occurred three days after Booth's dreams in almost exactly the way Booth envisioned. Leonard Nimoy's documentary TV series In Search Of... featured an episode entitled Air Disaster Predictions which covered the case of Flight 191 and its possible prediction by Booth.

Premonitions: Fact or Illusion

If time is a dimention then surely it can be navigated. I believe the unconscious mind can do this, but only 'suggest' what it saw/heard/etc.

I believe that 'Deja Vu' is an instence where you have dreamt of a situation but do not actively remember the dream. My wondering mind, in passing, has though of something I hadn't for years. Then a random person or occurence will make reference to this subject/song/etc.

The Coup completed this album cover on July 19th 2001.
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Do you believe in them?

Yes. I have had many premonitions that came true. Have you ever answered the phone and immediately knew who it was before you picked it up?

Yes I believe in them. I do not think time is linear and there are more dimensions than just four. That opens the way for many things to occur. There is likely a logical explanation for all but our knowledge and abilities are limited. Nothing is finite, all is possible even if not probable. Also what seems improbable today may well be a daily occurrence tomorrow.

OH MY GOD!! Ok let me check outside to see if it is a nuclear winter because I agree with Sal and that is a like 1 in a million chance???

I use to dream things and they come true weeks later. At first I thought it was Daja Vu and then I started writing a dream journal and found I acutally dreamed exact moments in time in the futrue. It happened more when I was young. I haven't done it in a long time.

and one of the reason I have a bad taste in my mouth about christianity is when I told someone about it it turned out she was an extremist and said I was doing satans will and that I was against god for dreaming that stuff and that I was going to hell if I didn't stop. She totally made me feel like shit for something I had no control over.

I think there are things the brain is capable of that we cannot understand or map yet. I also believe that time is not linear.

OH MY GOD!! Ok let me check outside to see if it is a nuclear winter because I agree with Sal and that is a like 1 in a million chance???
Hehe... see, all things are possible even if not probable... and people say there aren't miracles. :D

I dont believe in premonitions, but I do believe that every one of us possesses a minor form of telepathy. I'm not saying we can ever read minds at will, but I get the feeling of a sort of mass consciousness. It's interesting how many things, specifically breakthroughs in science or technology, etc, can happen almost simultaneously on opposite ends of the Earth.

and one of the reason I have a bad taste in my mouth about christianity is when I told someone about it it turned out she was an extremist and said I was doing satans will and that I was against god for dreaming that stuff and that I was going to hell if I didn't stop. She totally made me feel like shit for something I had no control over.

I dreamt that sometime in the near future I will be wearing a yellow shirt while watching Deal or No Deal and the contestant is going to win $10.

THE DEVILS WILL! THE DEVIL!

I dont believe in premonitions, but I do believe that every one of us possesses a minor form of telepathy. I'm not saying we can ever read minds at will, but I get the feeling of a sort of mass consciousness. It's interesting how many things, specifically breakthroughs in science or technology, etc, can happen almost simultaneously on opposite ends of the Earth. yup. It explains why massive gatherings of people have certain 'airs' about them. Why people get so crazy at sporting/whatever events. There is a collective consciousness that can be concentrated.

yup. It explains why massive gatherings of people have certain 'airs' about them. Why people get so crazy at sporting/whatever events. There is a collective consciousness that can be concentrated.

I think there's a simplier explanation for that, peer pressure.

I'm going to make a few premonitions and see if I'm clairvoyant.


I see.... a car exploding in Iraq
.....a movie focusing on romance and relationships which tons of guys will bring tons of girls so that hopefully they'll get laid
....the democrats taking the white house
....someone bitching about my post

I'm going to make a few premonitions and see if I'm clairvoyant.


I see.... a car exploding in Iraq
.....a movie focusing on romance and relationships which tons of guys will bring tons of girls so that hopefully they'll get laid
....the democrats taking the white house
....someone bitching about my post

Dude WindWip, your post is the most preposterous piece of horse shenanigans I've ever come across. Cars exploding in Iraq? Democrats taking the White House? Someone bitching about your post? Pull your head outta your arse son!
lol.

And on another note I think that people are capable of some pretty amazing things if put under the right circumstances. There is so much that we don't know about, including our own minds, that anything is probably possible. I've had plenty of instances where I thought things would happen and they did, and I get Deja Vu probably more than average. I think most people have had these things happen to them, cant really explain it, but its a real phenomenon.

I believe in Psychic Phenomena.

In the Bible, Jonah went to the evil city of Nineveh to tell the people about the destruction that was about to come upon them. However, the people of the city repented of their evil ways. With their free will, they changed their lives and, as a result, their city was saved. The ability of precognition, then, is subject to many more influences than either telepathy or clairvoyance.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/esp/esp.htmlhttp://www.edgarcayce.org/esp/esp.html

Whether premonition is fact or illusion it doesn't change the fact that no person can consistently perform it. So for all practical purposes it might as well not exist. You can't use people's premonitions as actual forecasts on anything because of the extremely low accuracy.

There is no technique to determine if there's some characteristics a potentially authentic premonition possesses. In fact, I am not sure there's official definition on what kind of sensations constitute a potential premonition as opposed to a prediction, a blind guess, a gut feeling, or a delusion.

Depending on definition, I can be said to have had a bunch of premonitions, some of which materialized. Bottom line is you can't use premonitions in real life unless there's a way to filter out reliable ones from crap ones. So I have very little interests in it.

Very clearly expressed, Dio Seijuro.

Very clearly expressed, Dio Seijuro.

I had a feeling you would be here today and post that. :D You need to rethink your stance.

Dude WindWip, your post is the most preposterous piece of horse shenanigans I've ever come across. Cars exploding in Iraq? Democrats taking the White House? Someone bitching about your post? Pull your head outta your arse son!
lol.

Hahaha, thx - now I just have to wait for the other 3 to come true

Whether premonition is fact or illusion it doesn't change the fact that no person can consistently perform it. So for all practical purposes it might as well not exist. You can't use people's premonitions as actual forecasts on anything because of the extremely low accuracy.

There is no technique to determine if there's some characteristics a potentially authentic premonition possesses. In fact, I am not sure there's official definition on what kind of sensations constitute a potential premonition as opposed to a prediction, a blind guess, a gut feeling, or a delusion.

Depending on definition, I can be said to have had a bunch of premonitions, some of which materialized. Bottom line is you can't use premonitions in real life unless there's a way to filter out reliable ones from crap ones. So I have very little interests in it.

I resent that! I am a bonafide seer

I had a feeling you would be here today and post that. :D You need to rethink your stance.Either you're clairvoyant or I'm predictable. Both ways I lose. :)