"if you don't request it, you don't get it" says whitehouse.

Hmmm I mean if a whole town is completely wiped off the map by a tornado it is obvious they need extra help and the white house knows this and should automatically send extra help without the governer having to go through red tape to get it!!
AUTOMATIC!!


Story Highlights• NEW: White House press secretary: Guard response was governor's fault
• NEW: Snow says governor should have found need then requested guard
• NEW: Kansas Sen. Brownback says Guard told him they have what's needed
• Kansas Gov. Sebelius had said deployments to Iraq slowed storm response
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House fought back Tuesday against criticism from Kansas' governor that National Guard deployments to Iraq are slowing the response to last week's devastating tornado.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said the fault was Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius'.

In a spat reminiscent of White House finger-pointing at Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco after the federal government's botched response to Hurricane Katrina, Snow rapped Sebelius for not following procedure to find gaps and then asking the federal government to fill them.

"If you don't request it, you're not going to get it," he said.

The enormous twister -- the most powerful to hit the United States in eight years -- ripped through Greensburg, Kansas, on Friday, razing nearly all of the farming town with winds estimated at 205 mph.

President Bush will travel to the area on Wednesday. Sebelius plans at that time to raise her contention that disaster preparedness and response are hampered because so many state National Guard units have been sent to the Middle East.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks, Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," she said Monday. "The real victims here will be the residents of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said about half the state's National Guard trucks are in Iraq, equipment that would be helpful in removing debris, and that the state is also missing a number of well-trained personnel.

"The issue for the National Guard is the same wherever you go in the country. Stuff that we would have borrowed is gone," she said.

Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the Kansas National Guard was equipped at only about 40 percent of its required levels, down from the 60 percent that it had at the start of the war.

Even as Snow insisted he wasn't trying to get into a political tussle with the Democratic governor, he aggressively defended the administration's performance.

"As far as we know, the only thing the governor has requested are FM radios," Snow said. "There have been no requests to the National Guard for heavy equipment."

He went on to say that the president's disaster declaration for Kansas, issued Sunday, immediately made funding available to get heavy equipment through private contractors.

"We are eager to provide what Kansas needs," Snow said. "But again there are also -- you also have to go through the process of making the request first."

Snow said "I'm not aware of any prior complaints," and said it would be "standard procedure" when a tornado hits for a state to consult its disaster plan and start making assessments about where the federal government needed to step in.

"We are certainly going to try to clean up any misunderstandings about how this works," Snow said.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback also disputed Sebelius after visiting the destroyed town on Monday. Brownback, a Republican candidate for president, said local officials and the Kansas National Guard commander all told him they have the resources needed to respond.

"That's what really got me, is her saying that," Brownback said of Sebelius.

But Sebelius said she asked the Pentagon in December to replenish lost resources. She also said she spoke about the issue at great length with Bush over a year ago, in January 2006, when they rode together from Topeka, Kansas, to a lecture in Manhattan.

"What the Defense Department said then and continues to say is that states will get about 90 percent of what they had," Sebelius said. "Meanwhile, it doesn't get any better. I'm at a loss."

The White House is sensitive to the president's response to disasters after the Katrina debacle. Snow said Bush was waiting until Wednesday to visit the area "to make sure that you do not get in the way, especially of rescue operations."

KansAS.

KansAS.

There's many tornados in KansAS.

Seems like this is just another case of Warrior getting it wrong. The Governor of Kansas got whatever she requested and claimed she needed nothing else.

White House Rebuts Guard Shortage Claim


May 8, 8:18 PM (ET)

By JENNIFER LOVEN



WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration and Kansas' governor started Tuesday pointing fingers at each other over the response to last week's devastating tornado. By lunchtime, both sides had backed down.

With President Bush set to travel to now-razed Greensburg, Kan., on Wednesday to view the destruction wrought by Friday's 205 mph twister, Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said she planned to talk with him about her contention that National Guard deployments to Iraq hampered the disaster response.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks, Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," she said Monday. "The real victims here will be the residents of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said that with other states facing similar limitations, "stuff that we would have borrowed is gone."

White House press secretary Tony Snow fought back aggressively.

In an approach reminiscent of the blame game played by the White House with another Democratic governor, Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana, after the federal government's botched response to Hurricane Katrina, Snow at first said the fault for any slow response would be Sebelius'. He said she should have followed procedure by finding gaps and then asking the federal government to fill them - but didn't.

"If you don't request it, you're not going to get it," he told reporters Tuesday morning.

Snow said no one had asked for heavy equipment. "As far as we know, the only thing the governor has requested are FM radios," the spokesman said.

Well, not exactly.

At Snow's second, midday briefing with reporters, he offered that it turned out that the state had requested several items that the federal government supplied - those radios, and also a mobile command center and a mobile office building, an urban search and rescue team and coordination on extra Black Hawk helicopters.

Snow recounted a phone conversation on Tuesday between Sebelius and Bush's White House-based homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, in which the governor said she was pleased with the federal performance on the tornado and had everything she needed.

About the same time, Sebelius was doing her own backpedal from across the country.

Her spokeswoman, Nicole Corcoran, said the governor didn't mean to imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. Sebelius' comments about National Guard equipment were, instead, meant as a warning about the state's inability to handle additional disasters, such as another tornado or severe flooding, she said.
"We are doing absolutely fine right now," Corcoran said. "What the governor is talking about is down the road."

Sebelius has long spoken out about the fallout from sending National Guard units and equipment overseas. She says the war in Iraq is damaging domestic disaster readiness, because needed manpower is drained from states and the Pentagon is not replacing equipment at a fast enough rate.

Sebelius said she asked the Pentagon in December to replenish lost resources. She also said she spoke about the issue at great length with Bush when he was in Kansas in January 2006, and that Bush assured her that the money for replacements was in his budget.

Snow said the president recognizes there is a need to relieve pressure on the National Guard, and that it is one of the main reasons Bush has called for expanding the overall size of the military. But he also said that, regardless, there still are sizable numbers of personnel and equipment around the country ready to respond to disasters.

"If you take a look at the way the National Guard units are dispersed, you still have considerable strength in each state," he said.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070509/D8P0H7DG0.html

KansAS.

KansAS.

There's many tornados in KansAS.
I feel your pain ren.

Okay, spell "hilarious" wrong, or even the concept of "Pi" wrong, or even Stephen Hawking's name...but when you misspell a state of the country you live in, I have to question why you passed geography class in school.

You are completely off topic everyone knows I am a bad speller get over it!!

You are completely off topic everyone knows I am a bad speller get over it!!Your spelling isn't just bad, it's atrocious. That means it's bad to the point of being a distraction -- and by way of distraction it is inconsiderate, even rude. You know that it annoys people but you don't care. I suspect you may even do it on purpose.

I think this is part of never having actually put the country on a war footing. Our government has insisted that we can fight a major war without any sacrifice on the part of the general populace. There were tornados and hurricanes that affected the U.S. during World War II, but no one complained about the National Guard not being available because everyone understood we were at war and sacrifices needed to be made.

The Governor of Kansas got whatever she requested and claimed she needed nothing else.

White House Rebuts Guard Shortage Claim

Hmmm...lets see who do I believe? The governor of Kansas who I've never even heard of, or the assholes getting American soldiers killed for lies/oil in the White House?

Your spelling isn't just bad, it's atrocious. That means it's bad to the point of being a distraction -- and by way of distraction it is inconsiderate, even rude. You know that it annoys people but you don't care. I suspect you may even do it on purpose.

Sorry but it is not rude to be a bad speller. Many people spell things wrong on this board and no one jumps on them and the only people who seem to care seem to the the right winged people? Hmmm

There is not rule on this message board that I have to spell everything correctly. You don't like it put me on ignore. It is very simple.

I do not do it on purpose to annoy anyone. If you want to go to a message board where everything is spelled correctly go to an english message board.

The right just find excuses to flame me and this is one of them.

You have the right to ignore me at any time you do not have the right to see correct spelling all the time from me and you aren't going to get it and to keep bringing it up is harassment and trolling which I do believe is against board policies.

Complaining about the same thing over and over again isn't going to get anything accomplished. You just posting frivilous stuff as an excuse to flame me and make pot shots at me. It is a waste of space and time.

again there is an IGNORE button I suggest you use it.

Hmmm...lets see who do I believe? The governor of Kansas who I've never even heard of, or the assholes getting American soldiers killed for lies/oil in the White House?

I agree 100 percent. The white house lies all the time. Again if a whole town is completely wiped off the map it doesn't take a genius to know she will need extra help from other states around her that her resources alone will not take care of business. It should be automatically sent there by the adminstration in full force. She should not have to request aid of that magnitude.

Hmmm...lets see who do I believe? The governor of Kansas who I've never even heard of, or the assholes getting American soldiers killed for lies/oil in the White House?

the assholes of course. as long as I keep getting my 2 barells a day delivered taht is!

I think this is part of never having actually put the country on a war footing. Our government has insisted that we can fight a major war without any sacrifice on the part of the general populace. There were tornados and hurricanes that affected the U.S. during World War II, but no one complained about the National Guard not being available because everyone understood we were at war and sacrifices needed to be made.

Agreed, there is no shared sacrifice in this war.

All Bush asked Americans to do was "go shopping".

Sorry but it is not rude to be a bad speller. Many people spell things wrong on this board and no one jumps on them and the only people who seem to care seem to the the right winged people? HmmmThere are other poor spellers here (although none are as poor as you) but they don't post 35 times a day like you do.
There is not rule on this message board that I have to spell everything correctly.There is also no rule preventing me from telling you how annoying it is. Besides, I don't expect anyone to spell correctly all the time. But it would be nice if you at least tried -- I mean, Irland and Kanses? In thread titles?? When the correct spellings are right there in the articles you're posting???You don't like it put me on ignore. It is very simple.I don't ignore anyone.I do not do it on purpose to annoy anyone.As far as I can tell you make zero effort to not annoy others. If you want to go to a message board where everything is spelled correctly go to an english message board.When you go to a party do you change the music everyone is listening to and monopolize every conversation in the room? Do you then tell everyone who finds you boorish to leave if they don't like it even though they've been there for hours and you just got there? Do yourself a favor and don't tell me where you think I should go.The right just find excuses to flame me and this is one of them.I'm not flaming you nor am I of 'the right'.You have the right to ignore me at any time you do not have the right to see correct spelling all the time from me and you aren't going to get it and to keep bringing it up is harassment and trolling which I do believe is against board policies.These policies have never been explained to me, nor do I think telling you that your spelling sucks constitutes harassment. But feel free to report me if you think it is. The mods have nothing better to do, I'm sure. :rolleyes:Complaining about the same thing over and over again isn't going to get anything accomplished. You just posting frivilous stuff as an excuse to flame me and make pot shots at me. It is a waste of space and time.Well, it does make me feel better.again there is an IGNORE button I suggest you use it.I don't ignore anyone.

There are other poor spellers here (although none are as poor as you) but they don't post 35 times a day like you do.There is also no rule preventing me from telling you how annoying it is. Besides, I don't expect anyone to spell correctly all the time. But it would be nice if you at least tried -- I mean, Irland and Kanses? In thread titles?? When the correct spellings are right there in the articles you're posting???I don't ignore anyone.As far as I can tell you make zero effort to not annoy others.When you go to a party do you change the music everyone is listening to and monopolize every conversation in the room? Do you then tell everyone who finds you boorish to leave if they don't like it even though they've been there for hours and you just got there? Do yourself a favor and don't tell me where you think I should go.I'm not flaming you nor am I of 'the right'.These policies have never been explained to me, nor do I think telling you that your spelling sucks constitutes harassment. But feel free to report me if you think it is. The mods have nothing better to do, I'm sure. :rolleyes:Well, it does make me feel better.I don't ignore anyone.

Filter;
Whine whine whine whine whine whine?
Don't you have something else better to do?

Originally Posted by 500lbguerilla
Hmmm...lets see who do I believe? The governor of Kansas who I've never even heard of, or the assholes getting American soldiers killed for lies/oil in the White House?


QUOTE=warrior1972]I agree 100 percent. The white house lies all the time. Again if a whole town is completely wiped off the map it doesn't take a genius to know she will need extra help from other states around her that her resources alone will not take care of business. It should be automatically sent there by the adminstration in full force. She should not have to request aid of that magnitude.[/QUOTE]


Looks like you've finally met your soulmate. Couldn't happen to two nicer people.

:lolhit:

Filter;
Whine whine whine whine whine whine?
Don't you have something else better to do?

Sedan is NOT a whiner, he is simply asking you to use at least some care in your posting (and he is by no means "right wing"). I may not always agree with Sedan, but he is one of the posters here that I value his thoughts on many issues.

It's a courtesy to at least make an attempt to use correct spelling and diction on these boards... If your posts look like they are written by a 8 year old, they will probably be construed as having content equal to that age also. I'm not good at spelling or a "master" of grammar, but I do take the time to try to make my posts readable (of course I don't put up 100's of posts a week either).

talk to the hand!! If you don't like what I post either put me on ignore or stop whining about it!! Not everyword I spell is wrong. Foolsworth can't even make logical sentences or full sentences and no one gets on him. The only reason anyone gets on my is because they do not like my views and try to find extra things to complain about it.
Stop being a victim!!
stop whining or at least don't be hypocrite and get on other people on this board who also have problems with English.

I have no one on ignore, nor do I "talk to the hand". I am an adult, not a child like yourself.

Furthermore, I wasn't attacking you but offering some advice on posting. You categorize people incorrectly (Sedan is right wing?????), and make assumptions that everyone is "out to get" you. I really did not have a problem with you, but I think that has changed. You are a post-happy troll that assumes things (that are very often incorrect) about the members here, and then cries "foul" whenever someone has the audacity to call you on them.

There have been comments to other posters here that spell poorly and use some rather "unique" styles. None of them are in the "race" to 1,000,000 posts, like you apparently are.

I would suggest that you follow your personal comment and "Know thyself", it will be painful I'm afraid.

kansas is a state?

I have no one on ignore, nor do I "talk to the hand". I am an adult, not a child like yourself.
Yes yet another personal attack and you call me childish. Calling the kettle black

Furthermore, I wasn't attacking you but offering some advice on posting. You categorize people incorrectly (Sedan is right wing?????), and make assumptions that everyone is "out to get" you. I really did not have a problem with you, but I think that has changed. You are a post-happy troll that assumes things (that are very often incorrect) about the members here, and then cries "foul" whenever someone has the audacity to call you on them.
I said the only people who seem to care are right wings or people who do not like my opinion and they use this as an excuse to troll me and harass me. I mean you people act like I boiled my kid in hot oil or something it is beyong rediculous how you make it out to be criminal. There is no rule about how many post you can make in a day. I love debates and I enjoy posting my thoughts. There is nothing illegal about being "post happy" ROLFMAO. I do not troll anyone. I will be posting along and then people start nit picking at stupid stuff. That my friend is trolling. Not being on topic and trying to harass and bother people for stupid reasons. I assume alot of things so do many people here and anytime someone has "called me out" If I agreed with them I have always apologize and retracted my statement. More than I can say about 1/2 the people on this board who would rather die than admit they made a mistake.
There have been comments to other posters here that spell poorly and use some rather "unique" styles. None of them are in the "race" to 1,000,000 posts, like you apparently are.

You exaggerate ROFLMAO.. Can you hear youself. IS that the worst complaint you peope can make up about me that I make like 100 of posts a day and spell bad on purpose to annoy people. I mean it is rediculous and might I add of topic.

I would suggest that you follow your personal comment and "Know thyself", it will be painful I'm afraid

ROFLMO
I know more about myself than most people know about themselves. Do you know what a INFJ is? from Myers Briggs personality sorter? I have taken so many psychology courses and taken so many test about myself you couldn't possibly understand what a retarded statement you just made. I mean you are the one freaking out about bad spelling? Control freak much? You complain about the amount of post I make again a control problem. I mean it is like you are finding reasons to make me out to be some horrible wicked evil monster by nit picking at every little flaw that I have.
I have never heard such whinning and frivious things to complain about in my life.

Old Phart,

Give it up. Warrior is beyond hope. Just consider her a minor irritant at a great chat site.

Just consider her a minor irritant at a great chat site.

You guys have that in common.

Lay off Warrior and learn to ignore her. Otherwise you are just as much of an irritant.

Honestly sedan had a point. Warrior, I sympathize with you and I try to ignore anyone's errors, but when you misspell words that are in the article you posted (or, even worse, in the article title) it kinda seems like you didn't even read the article, you just posted it to have something to post.

I know you don't want to take the time to put your posts in a word processor to spell-check them, so here's a suggestion: download Firefox. There's an automatic spell-check. :)

Give it up. Warrior is beyond hope. Just consider her a minor irritant at a great chat site.

You are correct, Frogger. I hate to admit it, but this poster is a waste of time. I will, from now on, consider them a pimple on the ass of allforums. Someday someone may apply a bit of cream on it, so it can dry up and disappear.

Honestly sedan had a point. Warrior, I sympathize with you and I try to ignore anyone's errors, but when you misspell words that are in the article you posted (or, even worse, in the article title) it kinda seems like you didn't even read the article, you just posted it to have something to post.

I know you don't want to take the time to put your posts in a word processor to spell-check them, so here's a suggestion: download Firefox. There's an automatic spell-check. :)

Again this is nothing new I always spell things wrong even in the headings and again Foolsworth doesn't even make coherent sentences but no one ever complains about him because he is right winged and because many of the people complaining about my spelling don't like my views on issues.

This is brought to my attention enough and now is harassment. I have admitted I am a bad speller and if it is that annoying to anyone hit the ignore button but stop wasting space with frivoulous post about spelling errors.

You are correct, Frogger. I hate to admit it, but this poster is a waste of time. I will, from now on, consider them a pimple on the ass of allforums. Someday someone may apply a bit of cream on it, so it can dry up and disappear.

Than we are are in agreement about each others posts because I Feel your posts are just as wasteful.
:hula:

Again this is nothing new I always spell things wrong even in the headings and again Foolsworth doesn't even make coherent sentences but no one ever complains about him because he is right winged and because many of the people complaining about my spelling don't like my views on issues.

This is brought to my attention enough and now is harassment. I have admitted I am a bad speller and if it is that annoying to anyone hit the ignore button but stop wasting space with frivoulous post about spelling errors.

On the contrary, I complain about Foolsworth's posts all the time. They're sometimes amusing but I can never tell what he's saying.

I'm sorry if you think I'm harassing you, I was just trying to give you a tip. I've found Firefox's spell-check to be amazingly useful, and I've found that it corrects errors in words that I thought I knew for sure how to spell!

I have no one on ignore, nor do I "talk to the hand". I am an adult, not a child like yourself.
Yes yet another personal attack and you call me childish. Calling the kettle black

When you tell someone to "talk to the hand", you can reasonably expect to be labelled "childish".


I[COLOR="red"] said the only people who seem to care are right wings or people who do not like my opinion and they use this as an excuse to troll me and harass me.

Are you certain that you're not just annoying people? Old Phart and Sedan are two of the least emotional, and most reasonable people we have on this forum, and you would do well to lose the temper and heed their words.


I mean you people act like I boiled my kid in hot oil or something it is beyong rediculous how you make it out to be criminal.

On the contrary, it seems that you have a very short fuse.


There is no rule about how many post you can make in a day.

Correct, but that's mainly because we haven't needed one. I certainly hope you're not out to change that.


I love debates and I enjoy posting my thoughts.

That's great warrior, and I hope you enjoy doing so as long as your enjoyment doesn't detract from everyone else's enjoyment.


There is nothing illegal about being "post happy" ROLFMAO.

Nothing illegal perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's not unpleasant.

Vile Foolsworth mispells all the time and no one complains about him but in practically every post I make someone has to comment on my spelling. It is rediculous. There is no point to bring it up again and again. Ban me if you want but I am being harassed here. IF it is that annoying for them they can ignore me. Why make post after post about my spelling. I am not trying to annoy anyone I am a bad speller and if no one demanding that foolsworth make his sentence coherent and use spell check why should I and I get into trouble for it. That is discrimination.

First of all, have you read every page of every thread in which Foolsworth has posted? Are you privy to the PMs from people to the mods? I think no for both of those. Therefore, you don't know if anyone has complained about Foolsworth. I certainly have and I know of several other people who have as well. Please stop saying that we're hypocrites because we don't complain about Foolsworth, because that is plain wrong.

I have been here 4 weeks now and I have yet to see anyone complain out in the open over and over again about foolsworths posts but I have been constantly harassed about it over and over again even though I have explained several times that I am a bad speller but people continue to use it as an excuse to harass me.
It matters if it is out in the open or behind closed doors. NO one openly criticizes him over and over again on almost every post.

Actually, we did when he first came here and began annoying people. There was no reaction and now we just ignore it.

A big difference: he averages 7 posts per day. You average 34. It's a lot harder to ignore 34 posts than it is to ignore 7.

Oh because he has been here longer it is ok??
again there is an ignore button. You do not have to read my posts. I do not understand why it is a problem when you can ignore my posts but instead choose to complain at every change you get instead of debating the topic at hand?? You act like you do not have a choice to read my posts?

I apologize I wrote change instead of Chance.

Warrior, perhaps your unclear on this... I have no problems with your spelling. Unlike Foolsworth, you can actually make yourself understood sometimes.

What I have a problem with is your defensive and rude attitude. I didn't complain about your spelling at all. I commented on the discussion and gave you a tip. Then later, I pointed out that you apparently figured out how to spell a word that you hadn't spelled correctly before. I said congrats. You are the one who started an argument and you are the one trying to make it seem like I complained about your spelling at all.

I apologize I wrote change instead of Chance.
You can edit your posts. :)

look if you read the whole thread you would see I already got a tip than why make another tip? I mean why repeat the "tip"
Also I already defended myself on the other thread about that. There is no point to congraduate me on one word I spell 90 percent of my words correctly and 10 percent mispelled. Congratulating me on one word is just bringing up the fact that I am a bad speller once AGAIN!! there was no point to do it other than to try and irritate and harass me.
I wouldn't be defensive if people would stop harassing me about my spelling and I do not have a rude attitude unless there is a valid reason.

You can edit your posts. :)

Yes but this was quicker. Whats your point?

look if you read the whole thread you would see I already got a tip than why make another tip? I mean why repeat the "tip"
Also I already defended myself on the other thread about that. There is no point to congraduate me on one word I spell 90 percent of my words correctly and 10 percent mispelled. Congratulating me on one word is just bringing up the fact that I am a bad speller once AGAIN!! there was no point to do it other than to try and irritate and harass me.
I wouldn't be defensive if people would stop harassing me about my spelling and I do not have a rude attitude unless there is a valid reason.
My tip was to get Firefox for the automatic spell-check. No one said that before me, therefore it was not a repeat.

About the post editing thing, I thought you might not have known about it. You didn't know about the report button until someone let you know about it, so I thought that since you're a new member you might not be aware of the edit button either. Just another tip, not an insult. Calm down.

I wasn't upset I just asked what is your point? As for firefox again I do not see anyone telling foolsworth to change the way he posts or use Firefox but why me? I see a clear double standard here.
Please don't give me "tips" I do not want them from somone I do not know. IF you were a friend I have no problem with friendly "tips" but you have made it apparent that you want me banned and that ou are not my friend and then you say you want to "help me" by giving some advice??? and you wonder why I am skeptical??

I have been here 4 weeks now and I have yet to see anyone complain out in the open over and over again about foolsworths posts but I have been constantly harassed about it over and over again even though I have explained several times that I am a bad speller but people continue to use it as an excuse to harass me.
It matters if it is out in the open or behind closed doors. NO one openly criticizes him over and over again on almost every post.

Perhaps if you acted drugged up the way Foolsworth does, they will leave you alone.

Perhaps if you acted drugged up the way Foolsworth does, they will leave you alone.
Probably true. I don't think anyone is going to get through to Foolsworth. :@@:

Can't we take this stupid bickering to PMs?

Vile Foolsworth mispells all the time and no one complains about him but in practically every post I make someone has to comment on my spelling. It is rediculous.

You'll notice I didn't mention your spelling at all. The problem, as I see it, is your short fuse. BTW, it's "ridiculous". :)