No I think what Dharm has said is that he has tried to explain his position to the best of his ability and that Jester still does not understand and he is not going to keep going over it again and again. It does not mean he can't offer any legitimate critcism of it just mean it won't do any good if he did explain his side because Jester would not understand his point of view so why waste his time.
Two completely different things.Jester is one of the most intelligent posters on this board. He knows exactly what argument Dharma is making. He happens to disagree with him, that's all. Any intimation that Jester is 'confused' or 'doesn't understand' is a prima facie absurdity.

Dang, Jester. You beat me to it. :)

IF you understand his perspective and where he is coming from you would not be disagreeing.
You have two different perspectives and are not seeing where the other person is coming from usually there is an argument to try and get information to the other person so they get it.
I am not saying you have to agree with him just saying the reason you don't is because you do not see from his perspective. He has experienced things you have not and probably vise versa. I am sure you have experienced things that he has not and lets you to your point of perspective.
You opinions are formed from the expierance and information you are exposed to throughout your life.

Jester is one of the most intelligent posters on this board. He knows exactly what argument Dharma is making. He happens to disagree with him, that's all. Any intimation that Jester is 'confused' or 'doesn't understand' is a prima facie absurdity.

It doesn't matter how intelligent the poster is if he is exposed to half the information he cannot make an informed decision. Ignoring information or claiming it is not valid or other nonesense like that causes on to lack information of the truth.
anyone body can be confused and no one understands everything no matter how smart they are.
Jester is not a god
He is human and thus failable.

No, I really do not think you do.

Oh but Jester is so highly intelligent that he must get it. I mean I tell you he must have an IQ of 200 or something that he is spending his spare time on a message board with lower intelligent beings who are always failable and can't possible understand his huge intellect.

If Jester actually did understand then he would not be trying to argue semantics about the word "war" and he would understand that this is, in fact, an occupation.

That he has not acknowledged that fact can only lead me to believe he is either confused or being intellectually dishonest.

I will say it again for you, this is an Occupation.And I will ask you again, how does disagreeing with that make me a right-wing dittohead? You're so off-base with this one it's not even funny.

Nope, that is not what I am saying.
I, like many people who have actually bothered to read the Constitution, believe the war powers act is unconstitutional.If you ever wonder why you get into so many fights here just refer back to this post. No matter how civil someone tries to be with you, you will inevitably be an asswipe and piss them off.

By the way, I HAVE read the friggin Constitution and am well aware of the issue of the constitutionality of the War Powers Act.

No, I really do not think you do.You can think whatever the fuck you want, but your point wasn't all that profound and doesn't require a high level of intellect to comprehend.

I have no desire to continue this discussion, solely due to your arrogant and conceited attitude. You'll probably say that I'm unable to respond to your arguments, or something to that effect, even though I have responded to them throughout this thread. But feel free to do so if it makes your day; I don't much care.

And I will ask you again, how does disagreeing with that make me a right-wing dittohead? You're so off-base with this one it's not even funny.

Sorry Kiddo, I never called you a "rightwing ditto-head".

You are flat-out delusional if you think I did.



If you ever wonder why you get into so many fights here just refer back to this post. No matter how civil someone tries to be with you, you will inevitably be an asswipe and piss them off.

I apologize if you think I was being rude. Calling me an "asswipe" was completely uncalled for. My concurrent attempt at a "conversation" with Waldo (and his immature habit of devolving to namecalling) pissed me off. I should not have taken it out on you. I have since stopped talking to Waldo so I do not get caught up in his snarkyness.


By the way, I HAVE read the friggin Constitution and am well aware of the issue of the constitutionality of the War Powers Act.

Good for you. Welcome to the club. We are a miniotrity.


You can think whatever the fuck you want, but your point wasn't all that profound and doesn't require a high level of intellect to comprehend.

Overly simplistic statements like this only make me believe that you do not, in fact, understand my point.

Whatever.


I have no desire to continue this discussion, solely due to your arrogant and conceited attitude.

Why do I get the feeling you are copying me and what I did to Waldo earlier?

Whatever, your semantic arguments were as boring as they were pointless.

Wrong Again Waldo.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/02/TNScbosurge070201/

If you are going to quote articles either read all the article or include the parts which refute the claim. Like this one found halfway down the page.

At a Jan. 23 hearing, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker said he believed the 21,500 increase included four support battalions. “Right now, we do not anticipate there will be increased combat service support requirements over what is now embedded inside of the brigade combat teams we have,” Schoomaker said.

Army spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Kolb said Schoomaker’s Jan. 23 comments before members of the House Armed Services Committee are “still accurate.”

The support needs of the additional five brigade combat teams will be satisfied by the current support network in Iraq and the support units embedded within those teams, Kolb said Feb. 1.



Still swinging, still missing.

Should we hold our breath while waiting for your forthcoming list of the 'major' combat operations that have taken place?:thumbs:

Waldo, you really have a talent for missing what is important.

A new congressional report says the increase of 21,500 combat troops for Iraq proposed by the Bush administration could result in up to 50,000 troops actually being deployed to the region.

“Over the past few years, DoD’s practice has been to deploy a total of about 9,500 per combat brigade to the Iraq theater, including about 4,000 combat troops and about 5,500 supporting troops,” says the five-page report requested by Rep. John Spratt, D-S.C., the House Budget Committee chairman, and Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., the House Armed Services Committee chairman.

That means that Bush's "surge" of 21,000 troops was either only about 9,000 troops or he really meant 50,000.
Which is it Waldo?



Should we hold our breath while waiting for your forthcoming list of the 'major' combat operations that have taken place

Yes, definately. Keep holding it until I tell you to stop. :thumbs:

Waldo, you really have a talent for missing what is important.



That means that Bush's "surge" of 21,000 troops was either only about 9,000 troops or he really meant 50,000.
Which is it Waldo?




Yes, definately. Keep holding it until I tell you to stop. :thumbs:

You do have problems with reading comprehension don't you.

We'll try this again.

In response to the question At a Jan. 23 hearing, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker said he believed the 21,500 increase included four support battalions. “Right now, we do not anticipate there will be increased combat service support requirements over what is now embedded inside of the brigade combat teams we have,” Schoomaker said.


What do you think that means?

Because you clearly have a hard time understanding what it is you are reading i'll do you a favour and explain it for you. Schoomaker is saying that they don't need the 5,500 support troops. There are already enough support troops in place for the 20,000 troops being sent!

This is why people get frustrated with you. It's right there in front of you and you consistently choose to ignore what's been said and merely keep repeating what you said before.

Need I point out?

OCCUPATION = WAR

while war isn't always occupation, occupation is always war. Its usually a low intensity war of control.

Which means that both of you are wrong due to exclusivity.

seeing Dhrama getting owned by jester and warrior sticking up for him is hilarious.

I don't see anyone getting owned. No one is winning because occupation and war are purely points of perspective depending on which side you are on. If you are right it is a war if you are left it is an occupation. They are both right in thier own perspectives so no one side has won the debate or "owned "anyone. It is like telling the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist? It depends on what side you are on. If we were fighting against the English during the 1800's we would be considered terrorist by England but to the Americans we are freedom fighters. Who is right? It is all perspective and the definition is based on which side of the fence you are on.

Its been my experience that when occupied you must use war to resist the occupiers.

It doesn't matter how intelligent the poster is if he is exposed to half the information he cannot make an informed decision. Ignoring information or claiming it is not valid or other nonesense like that causes on to lack information of the truth.Although this is a mess of a sentence I think I know what you're trying to say.anyone body can be confused and no one understands everything no matter how smart they are.
Jester is not a god
He is human and thus failable.Okay. Let's apply your line of reasoning to what you have just said. You don't have all the information. This lack of information means you don't know the truth. You are confused and don't understand everything. Therefore you are fallible and that's why you don't understand what Jester is saying.

I must say it's rather neat how you owned yourself here. :)

no one has "all" the information because the only information we get is from the media which does not expose everything because they are on a leash. NO on here has "all" the information. So no one is more right than the other because we are all making decisions on a certian amount of information. So niether Jester or me has all the information to claim that we are absolutly right or wrong. We have hypothesis bases on the limited information that we are exposed to. So no one knows the absolute truth about this matter. I am not confused as anyone else on this board and I did not own myself as you so eliquntly put.

no one has "all" the information because the only information we get is from the media which does not expose everything because they are on a leash. NO on here has "all" the information. So no one is more right than the other because we are all making decisions on a certian amount of information. So niether Jester or me has all the information to claim that we are absolutly right or wrong. We have hypothesis bases on the limited information that we are exposed to.I'm not sure what 'information' has to do with this anyway. It's essentially a semantic argument. Dharma thinks we need to call it an occupation. Jester thinks it really doesn't matter what we call it, the problems are still there. Both of them, I think, would agree that groups of people are killing each other, that's really all the 'information' anyone needs to proceed with the discussion. So no one knows the absolute truth about this matter. I am not confused as anyone else on this board and I did not own myself as you so eliquntly put.You said Jester is confused. You said the reason he is confused is because he lacks information. I pointed out that you also lack information. This means that by your reasoning (or lack thereof) you are also confused. So yes, you did own yourself.

No I Siad Jester was confused because he did not have the information that Darm had. Darm was trying very hard to explain the situation to him but Jester did not get it? I got it many other people here got it but Jester did not either he ignored the information given to him or he was confused about what Dharm was trying to convey.
Then someone said that he was so highly intelligent that there is not way he could have been confused and I said that no matter how smart you are you can not make informed decisions on lack of information. Just because he is smart does not always make him right.
I do not remember actually calling him confused but if I did I am sorry. I just mean he is not seeing Dharms perspective and where he is coming from.

No I Siad Jester was confused because he did not have the information that Darm had. Darm was trying very hard to explain the situation to him but Jester did not get it? I got it many other people here got it but Jester did not either he ignored the information given to him or he was confused about what Dharm was trying to convey.Jester 'got it' just fine. Why on earth would you think that he didn't? I mean, after all, if you 'got it' and many others 'got it' what makes Jester so stupid? The underlying premise of your argument is that if Jester did 'get it' he would not disagree. Who could disagree with such an obvious truth as presented by Dharma? But since he disagreed that has to mean he did not 'get it'. Allow me to assure you, it is quite possible for someone to understand a point and still not agree with it. Then someone said that he was so highly intelligent that there is not way he could have been confused and I said that no matter how smart you are you can not make informed decisions on lack of information. Just because he is smart does not always make him right.Just because he disagrees does not mean that he is confused.I do not remember actually calling him confused but if I did I am sorry. I just mean he is not seeing Dharms perspective and where he is coming from.You don't remember? You just got through explaining why you said he was confused!! Someone is confused here, alright, but it isn't Jester.

Its been my experience that when occupied you must use war to resist the occupiers.

you ever heard of Ghandi?

Ghandi had 100 million volunteers.