Mosul, Iraq -- According to the Kurdish website Jebar.info up to 1000 men from the Yezidi Kurdish community of Mosul killed a teenager who's only crime was running away to marry a Muslim man whom she loved and converting to his religion.

For four months the girl had been given shelter by a local Muslim Sheik. It was reported that in the last few days her family persuaded her to return home, convincing her that she had been forgiven by her parents and relatives for her mistake.

In a short mobile video clip which appears to have been taken by locals at seen of the murder, the girl is seen being ambushed on her way home by a group of up to 1000 men who were waiting for her to return; the men killed her in the most brutal way possible, by throwing large stones on her head. The following clips show that while she is alive and crying for help she is taunted and kicked in her stomach until someone finishes her off by throwing a large stone on her face.

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From the clips it appears that the girl was first stripped naked to symbolize that she had dishonored her family and her Yezidi religion. She is lying on the road naked while her smashed face is covered with blood and still breathing.

According to the website and footage from the clip a number of armed local police officers were present who in fact helped the crowd to kill the woman rather than preventing the crime. Sometime later the Iraqi army arrived at the scene and refused anyone entry, including the press.

Killing women for reasons of honor, shame and religion does happens in regions of Kurdistan and Iraq. The above incidents are not uncommon in some of the deeply religious and traditional communities. For long violence against women has been commonly used as a political and religious weapon and as a means of social control.

By Kameel Ahmady, Mina Rojdar
www.Kurdishaspect.com

http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603.htm

Drugs can mess people up.

Well this is not different if the tables where turned. If a mulsim woman ran off and left Islam for another religion she might be attacked by a whole mob but her brother or father would have put a bullet through her head for an honor killing.
Both Kurdish and Muslims in the middle east are committing these atrocities on a daily basis.
Men on both side are protected by the law by doing honor killings of woman who leave the religion or dishonor thier family in any way.
Welcome to the middle east...

Jesus jumping on a pogo stick.

I had a lot of sympathy for the Kurds. They've basically been shit upon by all the countries they inhabit. This was the plan set by occupying colonial powers (mainly the british) when they devided up the middle east into nation states. The old Divide and Conquor trick (working so nicely in Iraq ATM).

The Kurd are oppressed by the middle Eastern Nation states. The Kurds are oppressed by their own fanatics as well.

Seems to be the trap most people are in...

the men killed her in the most brutal way possible, by throwing large stones on her head.

Interestingly, they treated her exactly as the Bible commands the group to treat wrongdoers who have broken certain "rules".

I have always thought what a horrific way to die it would be to be stoned. How charming that the "all loving Creator" --BibleGod-- chose it as a prefered way to execute people.

People read a story like this and cannot help but think how brutal the Kurds are............but when it comes to barbarism and brutality, Kurdish customs don't have shit on good 'ol Biblical custom.

I had a lot of sympathy for the Kurds. They've basically been shit upon by all the countries they inhabit. This was the plan set by occupying colonial powers (mainly the british) when they devided up the middle east into nation states. The old Divide and Conquor trick (working so nicely in Iraq ATM).

I hope the term you used, "HAD", means you don't have it anymore or at least have less. How can you have sympathy for 1000 men ganging up on 1 teen age girl and stoning her to death. For christ's sake, this is the 20th century. One more reason organized religion sucks.

Anyone who can be identified in those videos should be prosecuted for murder.

Drugs can mess people up.

This guy got stoned to death on other peoples...
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070510/K051011AU.html

Anyone who can be identified in those videos should be prosecuted for murder.


I cannot believe how SOME people act in the name of god. I don't know about anyone else's, but the god I believe in is brought to tears when things like this happen.

I cannot believe how SOME people act in the name of god. I don't know about anyone else's, but the god I believe in is brought to tears when things like this happen.

And the god you believe in does nothing, why?

Were God to take away free will, even free will to do evil acts we would be automotons, not people. Maybe that would suit you, Phyrex but it wouldn't suit me.

Were God to take away free will, even free will to do evil acts we would be automotans, not people. Maybe that would suit you, Phyrex but it wouldn't suit me.

No, it wouldnt.

And the god you believe in does nothing, why?

Maybe he's still hoping that we can become better "people" and put a stop to it ourselves. Why should it be placed on god's shoulders to do something all the time. Everytime something bad happens people say "why would god let this happen?" Never mind that, why would WE let this happen? These are "people", and I use the term in the loosest possible way, that stoned this poor girl. Aren't we more responsible for their actions as other people than god is? There are a billions of us and one of him, let's keep our own dogs on a leash shall we?

Maybe he's still hoping that we can become better "people" and put a stop to it ourselves. Why should it be placed on god's shoulders to do something all the time. Everytime something bad happens people say "why would god let this happen?" Never mind that, why would WE let this happen? These are "people", and I use the term in the loosest possible way, that stoned this poor girl. Aren't we more responsible for their actions as other people than god is? There are a billions of us and one of him, let's keep our own dogs on a leash shall we?

What you forget here is that these people stoned this girl in the name of God. Perhaps after sitting around and watching us kill eachother over the past 3000 years or so, mostly in gods name, god would realize that its not really working so well ,and that people are always going to be people. Maybe the one true god should come fourth and make himself known to us. Allah, Jesus whoever. He should come foruth and tell us to stop the madness. Thats the only way these kind of things will ever end.

What you forget here is that these people stoned this girl in the name of God. Perhaps after sitting around and watching us kill eachother over the past 3000 years or so, mostly in gods name, god would realize that its not really working so well ,and that people are always going to be people. Maybe the one true god should come fourth and make himself known to us. Allah, Jesus whoever. He should come foruth and tell us to stop the madness. Thats the only way these kind of things will ever end.

And if a being did come forth and say he was god would you believe him? What would he need to do to prove that that's who he was?

I don't know about anyone else's, but the god I believe in is brought to tears when things like this happen.

Interesting.

The god that most people in the U.S. believe in, the god of the Bible, is not only not *brought to tears* by such things, but is very pleased to see 'wrongdoers' (homosexuals, people who in various ways break his rules) stoned to death.

In fact, the god that most people in the U.S. believe in --BibleGod-- is the entity credited with coming up with the concept of stoning people to death.

And if a being did come forth and say he was god would you believe him? What would he need to do to prove that that's who he was?

I think if God himself wanted to make himself known, you'd know it.

I think if God himself wanted to make himself known, you'd know it.

He has and I do.

Was it a talking burning bush, Frogger?

I think if God himself wanted to make himself known, you'd know it.


First let me say that I have nothing but respect for you based on the posts I have read by you, but I do believe you didn't answer my question. Forget the rest of the world. I asked YOU specifically if a being came to you saying he was god what would he have to do to prove to YOU that he was? I guess the first question would have to be do you believe in god?

Interesting.

The god that most people in the U.S. believe in, the god of the Bible, is not only not *brought to tears* by such things, but is very pleased to see 'wrongdoers' (homosexuals, people who in various ways break his rules) stoned to death.

In fact, the god that most people in the U.S. believe in --BibleGod-- is the entity credited with coming up with the concept of stoning people to death.

I believe the bible is a man made storybook written to keep the populace in line and giving them a set of rules to follow. The god that I believe in is nowhere in the bible. I believe the image of god portrayed in the bible is closer to what I perceive satan to be than what I perceive god to be.

Any being could have power greater than our own. Healing powers, power to control climate or change around atoms in matter or some super power like that. Does that make them a god? I mean if we went back in time to the stone ages and took our technolgy with us say lighters, pens, chainsaws and other things the people of that time would see us as gods because to them we have awsome powers and of course many humans would use that to thier advantage to be rich and powerful and probably play the role of a god. Why would any other being from another planet be any different when coming to earth. I mean if they can travel through space and 2,000 years ago fly and hover in the air this would seem like a very powerful being to them and they would probably believe whatever they say whether out of fear for awe of their power.
So even if a superior being came to us more powerful than ourselves does that really make him/her/it a god? Would a god really demand out obedience and survitude?

I believe the bible is a man made storybook written to keep the populace in line and giving them a set of rules to follow. The god that I believe in is nowhere in the bible. I believe the image of god portrayed in the bible is closer to what I perceive satan to be than what I perceive god to be.

I agree no major organized police force back then, video camera to watch people so they say god sees your every move and that stuff,

Fear works.

I mean what better way to make people fall in line by saying if you don't your immortal soul will burn forever in hell. No one knows for sure but they don'want to risk it so they do what they are told.

Perfect way to control people in a time of chaos.

Any being could have power greater than our own. Healing powers, power to control climate or change around atoms in matter or some super power like that. Does that make them a god? I mean if we went back in time to the stone ages and took our technolgy with us say lighters, pens, chainsaws and other things the people of that time would see us as gods because to them we have awsome powers and of course many humans would use that to thier advantage to be rich and powerful and probably play the role of a god. Why would any other being from another planet be any different when coming to earth. I mean if they can travel through space and 2,000 years ago fly and hover in the air this would seem like a very powerful being to them and they would probably believe whatever they say whether out of fear for awe of their power.
So even if a superior being came to us more powerful than ourselves does that really make him/her/it a god? Would a god really demand out obedience and survitude?

That is the image of god that you have been told to believe from the bible. It sounds like you and most people fear god more than believe and even respect him/her. You have to find what your own personal interpretation of god is. If we all subscribe to the violent, vindictive, hate filled, malicious god in the bible mankind will always be just that way.
I am by no means a religious fanatic, it has been years since I have been to church and don't have any great temptation to go back again. I have my relationship with god on a level that is personal to me. I think that is what everyone needs, not to throw a few coins in the collection plate on Sunday so that organized religion can manipulate us for another week. I live my life the best that I can and try to be the best person I can NOT for gods sake but for my own. I believe that is what he/she would want me to do and I believe that is what he/she wants everyone to do.

First let me say that I have nothing but respect for you based on the posts I have read by you, but I do believe you didn't answer my question. Forget the rest of the world. I asked YOU specifically if a being came to you saying he was god what would he have to do to prove to YOU that he was? I guess the first question would have to be do you believe in god?

To be honest, I don't know. I would just assume that if he was god, THE god of the universe, you would just know it, because he would want you to know. Its not an easy question to answer.

As for do I believe in god to begin with, I consider myself to be agnostic. I don't prescribe to any organized religion due to the fact that I think organized religion accounts for 90% of the worlds problems. However I do think that there is a real possibility of something that holds this universe together, and I don't mean gravity. I just don't think any of us here on Earth have got it right yet. I would be more inclined to believe that god is a math equation rather than some guy sitting in the sky hurling lightning bolts and judging us for our sins.