NEW YORK - Heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio and envelope-pushers Rosie O'Donnell and Sacha Baron Cohen are among the entertainment newsmakers on Time magazine's list of 100 people who shape the world.

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The list of 100 most influential, on newsstands Friday, also includes Queen Elizabeth II, presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), YouTube founders Steve Chen and Chad Hurley, director Martin Scorsese and model Kate Moss. It does not include President Bush.

In a piece she wrote for the magazine, Barbara Walters, the creator of "The View," had kind words to say about O'Donnell, who announced last week she was leaving the ABC talk show in June because she and the network couldn't agree on a new contract.

"And so, last September, we began a thrilling roller-coaster ride," Walters wrote. "We followed Rosie's passion and compassion, her feuds and fearlessness, her humanity and humor."

Walters said she and O'Donnell "remain respectful and affectionate friends."

Roseanne Barr weighed in on Baron Cohen, also known as Borat. "He does offend some people's sensibilities, but the youth of today are offended if they're not offended," she wrote.

Scorsese, who often casts DiCaprio in his films, praised the 32-year-old screen idol/activist as a "true actor."

"DiCaprio is another guy a lot of us underestimated as a pretty-boy type," Adi Ignatius, a deputy managing editor at Time, told AP Television News.

The list includes 71 men and 29 women from 27 countries.

Other entertainers making the cut were Oprah Winfrey, George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Justin Timberlake, Tyra Banks, Cate Blanchett, America Ferrera, Tina Fey, John Mayer, Brian Williams, Michael J. Fox, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and "American Idol" creator Simon Fuller.

Separately, Time named 14 "power givers" such as Bill and Melinda Gates, Angelina Jolie and Queen Rania al-Abdullah of Jordan.

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Who is Rosie O'Donnell

Thank God we have another Rosie thread.

I was going through withdrawal. :eek:

Who is Rosie O'DonnellWhat!? Are you serious? Rosie O'Donnell is the most important American alive today! How dare you not know who she is!

I know people called O'Donnell, I wonder if they're related.

god that is sad...

She couldnt be that bad,is she.

No she isn't that bad, but rightwingers are absolutely foaming at the mouth over her.
She is an outspoken lesbian lefty. The personification of everything they hate.

But the best they can do in attacking her seems to be going after her weight. :rolleyes:

No she isn't that bad, but rightwingers are absolutely foaming at the mouth over her.
She is an outspoken lesbian lefty. The personification of everything they hate.

But the best they can do in attacking her seems to be going after her weight. :rolleyes:

Hell, I'm going after her and I'm definitely not a rightwinger. She just irritates me the way she explodes on issues and how she is angry quite often. I don't see her as a happy or a very nice person.

I was going through withdrawal. :eek:
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[QUOTE=warrior1972]NEW YORK - Heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio and envelope-pushers Rosie O'Donnell and Sacha Baron Cohen are among the entertainment newsmakers on Time magazine's list of 100 people who shape the world.

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The list of 100 most influential, on newsstands Friday, also includes Queen Elizabeth II, presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), YouTube founders Steve Chen and Chad Hurley, director Martin Scorsese and model Kate Moss. It does not include President Bush.

In a piece she wrote for the magazine, Barbara Walters, the creator of "The View," had kind words to say about O'Donnell, who announced last week she was leaving the ABC talk show in June because she and the network couldn't agree on a new contract.

"And so, last September, we began a thrilling roller-coaster ride," Walters wrote. "We followed Rosie's passion and compassion, her feuds and fearlessness, her humanity and humor."


This is as good a reason as any to Drop out of Society,Go Underground
and basically shun most Periodicals and news outlets.
The Country has been overrun by either Liberal nutjobs or
silly slacker genXer dweebs.
This Country no longer has any Jimmy Stewarts,John Wayne's or
Bob Hope.What we're left with,is an abundant array of anarchist
and arrogant Assholes,who definately know what end their ass speaks
from.

She's done so much for charities and children. God bless her. And she should also be prasied for having the courage to stand up and share her opinions, even if the media and conservatives twist her words.

[QUOTE=warrior1972]NEW YORK - Heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio and envelope-pushers Rosie O'Donnell and Sacha Baron Cohen are among the entertainment newsmakers on Time magazine's list of 100 people who shape the world.

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The list of 100 most influential, on newsstands Friday, also includes Queen Elizabeth II, presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), YouTube founders Steve Chen and Chad Hurley, director Martin Scorsese and model Kate Moss. It does not include President Bush.

In a piece she wrote for the magazine, Barbara Walters, the creator of "The View," had kind words to say about O'Donnell, who announced last week she was leaving the ABC talk show in June because she and the network couldn't agree on a new contract.

"And so, last September, we began a thrilling roller-coaster ride," Walters wrote. "We followed Rosie's passion and compassion, her feuds and fearlessness, her humanity and humor."


This is as good a reason as any to Drop out of Society,Go Underground
and basically shun most Periodicals and news outlets.
The Country has been overrun by either Liberal nutjobs or
silly slacker genXer dweebs.
This Country no longer has any Jimmy Stewarts,John Wayne's or
Bob Hope.What we're left with,is an abundant array of anarchist
and arrogant Assholes,who definately know what end their ass speaks
from.

Thank God we still have Bruce Willis!

Some reports from military officials suggest that Willis tried to enlist in the military to help fight the second Iraq war, but he was turned away because of his age. He has offered $1 million to any civilian who turns in terrorist leaders Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri or (now the late) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Willis)

She's done so much for charities and children. God bless her. And she should also be prasied for having the courage to stand up and share her opinions, even if the media and conservatives twist her words.

yes, she speaks her mind in a free country, what a hero. I keep saying I am not going to reply to the Rosie threads but for some reason I cant help myself. I guess its the way overdose and the other rosie defenders act as if she is the first person in America to have their words twisted around and be attacked for what they say. that has been happening to Rush Limbaugh for like 15 years yet I haven't seen overdose come rushing up saying he is being victimized. Why is that? They called Rush fat, there was even a book called Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot. I hope no one writes something like that about Rosie! The point is. OD and the other Rosie worshippers do not agree with Rush so he probably deserves what he gets, the same way most people feel about Rosie, yet to them Rosie is being unfairly discriminated against. Grow up. If you are a public figure and make controversial remarks in public be ready for criticism and negative feedback. If you cant handle that then keep your fat mouth shut.

yes, she speaks her mind in a free country, what a hero.
She uses her fame and wealth to do good in the world and spread strong messages. The reason she didn't make the top 50 richest people in America is because of how much she donates to charities and other organizations that help children.

I guess its the way overdose and the other rosie defenders act as if she is the first person in America to have their words twisted around and be attacked for what they say. that has been happening to Rush Limbaugh for like 15 years yet I haven't seen overdose come rushing up saying he is being victimized. Why is that? They called Rush fat, there was even a book called Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot. I hope no one writes something like that about Rosie! The point is. OD and the other Rosie worshippers do not agree with Rush so he probably deserves what he gets, the same way most people feel about Rosie, yet to them Rosie is being unfairly discriminated against.
Assumptions? I've never once said that Rush Limbaugh is fat, nor have I said his words don't get twisted. The reason I don't defend him so much is because I don't care for his personality or his message. That does not mean I don't support his right to spread that message, nor does it mean I won't defend him if he starts to become un-fairly attacked. Hell, I thought that it was horrible when they released his private medical records to the public. That is un-justified and un-called for. So please, Trav, stop trying to make it seem I have a double standard.

Grow up. If you are a public figure and make controversial remarks in public be ready for criticism and negative feedback. If you cant handle that then keep your fat mouth shut.
I don't mind if she recieves criticism, I mind if they twist her words. I also mind if they don't attack the content of what she says, but rather they just attack her for being fat, stupid and being an idiot without actually explaining why or using any reason or logic to back that up.

PS: I find it funny how even you used the words "fat mouth"...whatever Trav. I've never called Rush fat, and if I did or have called him an idiot, it was in the past and I regret making those statements. Now if only you could do the same for Rosie.

yes, she speaks her mind in a free country, what a hero.
She uses her fame and wealth to do good in the world and spread strong messages. The reason she didn't make the top 50 richest people in America is because of how much she donates to charities and other organizations that help children. That says a lot.

I guess its the way overdose and the other rosie defenders act as if she is the first person in America to have their words twisted around and be attacked for what they say. that has been happening to Rush Limbaugh for like 15 years yet I haven't seen overdose come rushing up saying he is being victimized. Why is that? They called Rush fat, there was even a book called Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot. I hope no one writes something like that about Rosie! The point is. OD and the other Rosie worshippers do not agree with Rush so he probably deserves what he gets, the same way most people feel about Rosie, yet to them Rosie is being unfairly discriminated against.
Assumptions? I've never once said that Rush Limbaugh is fat, nor have I said his words don't get twisted. The reason I don't defend him so much is because I don't care for his personality or his message. That does not mean I don't support his right to spread that message, nor does it mean I won't defend him if he starts to become un-fairly attacked. Hell, I thought that it was horrible when they released his private medical records to the public. That is un-justified and un-called for. So please, Trav, stop trying to make it seem like I have a double standard.

Grow up. If you are a public figure and make controversial remarks in public be ready for criticism and negative feedback. If you cant handle that then keep your fat mouth shut.
I don't mind if she recieves criticism, I mind if they twist her words. I also mind if they don't attack the content of what she says, but rather just attack her for being fat, stupid and being an idiot without actually explaining why or using any reason or logic to back that up.

PS: I find it funny how even you used the words "fat mouth"...whatever Trav. I've never called Rush fat, and if I did or have called him an idiot, it was in the past and I regret making those statements. Now if only you could do the same for Rosie.

The reason she didn't make the top 50 richest people in America is because of how much she donates to charities and other organizations that help children.

I don't doubt her generosity, but there's no way she's made enough to put her in the top 50.

I don't doubt her generosity, but there's no way she's made enough to put her in the top 50.
I could be mistaken. But I remember reading she didn't make some rich list because of how much she has donated.

But she has started foundations like this:
http://www.forallkids.org/site.php
To help children.

She has also donated more then most celebrities to many good causues. She is one of the most generous celebrities and uses her status for many, many good causes and organizations.

Glad you can see that Lionel. :)

[quote=Overdose] The reason I don't defend him so much is because I don't care for his personality or his message. [quote]

HELLO!!!!! WTF do you think we have been saying about Rosie this whole time?

HELLO!!!!! WTF do you think we have been saying about Rosie this whole time?
I love how you leave the rest of my points un-answered.

Anyway,
I don't go out and post nasty things about Rush or trash his character. I simply choose not to defend him. You (and others), however, post nasty things about Rosie and trash her character and attack her physically. Which is far different then what I do.

How can you not see the difference? I don't attack Rush, you all attack Rosie. Just because I don't choose to defend Rush at every given moment does not mean I go out there and personally attack him, like you and others do to Rosie.

I found a couple of O'Donnells on the net,could someone throw up a pic of the one being talked about.
Thanx.

I found a couple of O'Donnells on the net,could someone throw up a pic of the one being talked about.
Thanx.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070108/070108_ODonnell_vmed_11a.widec.jpg

Thanx OD

II don't go out and post nasty things about Rush or trash his character. I simply choose not to defend him. You (and others), however, post nasty things about Rosie and trash her character and attack her physically. Which is far different then what I do.

How can you not see the difference? I don't attack Rush, you all attack Rosie. Just because I don't choose to defend Rush at every given moment does not mean I go out there and personally attack him, like you and others do to Rosie.So since I do attack Rush Limbaugh, am I allowed to attack Rosie O'Donnell? Because they both annoy the shit out of me. And yes, they could both lose a few pounds.

So since I do attack Rush Limbaugh, am I allowed to attack Rosie O'Donnell? Because they both annoy the shit out of me. And yes, they could both lose a few pounds.
Clearly you can hate both. My point, obviously, was directed at those who think I have a double standard. And they are mistaken because I don't attack Rush, like Trav and others attack Rosie.

:) So glad Time didn't buy into all the bullshit.

Yes lets see Rush and all take on Time for supporting Rose :)

Clearly you can hate both. My point, obviously, was directed at those who think I have a double standard. And they are mistaken because I don't attack Rush, like Trav and others attack Rosie.
Okay then, carry on.

BTW, what happened to the rest of that post?

I know people called O'Donnell, I wonder if they're related.

If they're loud, fat, ugly and obnoxious there's a possiblity.
(see above OD post for proof) :D

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070108/070108_ODonnell_vmed_11a.widec.jpg

The cure for a Viagra overdose

She couldn't be that bad, is she.

She is the worst nightmare of rightwing fuckwits everywhere.

She tells it like it is and exposes the truth about them and their agenda.

Hence, she had to be removed from the public airwaves.

Can't have the sheep beginning to think for themselves.

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"liberal Media" my goddamned ass.

She is the worst nightmare of rightwing fuckwits everywhere.

She tells it like it is and exposes the truth about them and their agenda.

Hence, she had to be removed from the public airwaves. Yeah, just like they did to Bill Mahr, Keith Olbermann, Jon Stewart, Al Franken,... oh wait, nevermind.

Who here is willing to entertain the idea that there are reasons other than her politics that people dislike Rosie O'Donnell?

If they're loud, fat, ugly and obnoxious there's a possiblity.
(see above OD post for proof) :D
Definitely loud,ugly and obnoxious,must be the Long Island thing.
Look at Frogger.

Who here is willing to entertain the idea that there are reasons other than her politics that people dislike Rosie O'Donnell?
Who here is willing to look at the fact that a few years back when she had a teevee show and did NOT make her political feelings known, she was an extremely popular entertainer, making mega-millions with a very highly rated show. There was NOT a immense screeching emanating from the great unwashed masses about her being "ugly" and "fat" and "stupid".

Another clue; tens of millions of people do NOT tune in to a television show every day hosted by someone whom they despise. Yet as SOON as she began to question and criticize the saintly powers-that-be of the Rightwing political leadership in Washington, she immediately began to be a target of extreme anger and derision from the flag-waving pro-war contingent and was subsequently booted off the television show she was on.

Doesn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to reach a rational conclusion about that sequence of events.

Rosie O'Donnell (and her thoughts and opinions) matter to me exactly what Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Susan Sarrandon, and Barbra Streisand matter to me:

Nothing.
Diddly-dick.
Squat.
Nadda, jack-shit, goose-egg, nul, zero, zilch, zip, zippo, and zot.

It always astounds me when 'celebrities' become the headlines (and that people look to celebrities for an example of any sort, let alone consider them 'influential').

I guess I've always had higher expectations for human beings than that.

I can see why they said she is inflencial. It seems like 99.9% of people are fat, obnoxious, and don't like Donald Trump - so she's really their figurehead.

Good point.

Who here is willing to look at the fact that a few years back when she had a teevee show and did NOT make her political feelings known, she was an extremely popular entertainer, making mega-millions with a very highly rated show. There was NOT a immense screeching emanating from the great unwashed masses about her being "ugly" and "fat" and "stupid".

Another clue; tens of millions of people do NOT tune in to a television show every day hosted by someone whom they despise. Yet as SOON as she began to question and criticize the saintly powers-that-be of the Rightwing political leadership in Washington, she immediately began to be a target of extreme anger and derision from the flag-waving pro-war contingent and was subsequently booted off the television show she was on.

Doesn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to reach a rational conclusion about that sequence of events.

why is it beyond belief that people may not like her just because they dont like her? why does it have to be because she spoke out against Bush? let it go freethinker, not everyhting everyone says or does is based on their thoughts about Bush and the war. Some people, like me, just dont like her, never have, never will. her personel politics have nothing to do with it.

She probably used the conspiracy, "out-there", controversial stuff just to get attention...

But yea, Rosie is just a media whore, I don't know her in person, but my image of her is that she's just out to make money, and bashing bush sure seems like a good way to do it in this country.

why is it beyond belief that people may not like her just because they dont like her? why does it have to be because she spoke out against Bush?

I will try again to explain it to you.

Try reading the following V_E_R_Y S_L_O_W_L_Y.

Some time ago when she had a television show and did NOT make her political feelings known, she was an extremely popular entertainer, making mega-millions with a very highly rated show. There was NOT an immense screeching emanating from the same people who now seemingly despise her about her being "ugly" and "fat" and "stupid".

Yet as SOON as she began to question and criticize the powers-that-be of the Rightwing political leadership in Washington, she immediately began to be a target of extreme anger and derision from the extreme right faction and was subsequently booted off the television show she was on.

I dont know that much about Ms O'Donnell but if she expressed her political opinions off the show,shes entitled to do that.
Its the duty of all citizens to scrutinise Government,I hate seeing people turn into sheep when it comes to politics.
Most of the people we vote for or represent us are less intelligent than us,yet the masses follow them and believe every word,just because the party machine says its so.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Its the duty of all citizens to scrutinise Government

No, paul.

You misunderstand how it works here in America.

In this country, the conservative faction views the duty of the citizens as being to shut up and to never criticize the infallible RightWing leadership.... and certainly not to ask uncomfortable questions of the (conservative, pro-war) Government leaders that those on the Right have voted into office.

Well, I must say, whenever I see people such as the President or some senior Government officals interviewed,
I always get the feeling that the tv presenter lets them off the hook.
Its as if,they're afraid to ask the nitty gritty questions.
Example: Everytime I see a White House Press meeting,its the same old mumbo jumbo everytime,how no journalist has taken the President apart over Iraq, I'll never know.

No, paul.

You misunderstand how it works here in America.

In this country, the conservative faction views the duty of the citizens as being to shut up and to never criticize the infallible RightWing leadership.... and certainly not to ask uncomfortable questions of the (conservative, pro-war) Government leaders that those on the Right have voted into office.

No, Freethinker, that's NOT how it works here in America.
That's merely your opinion of how it works here in America, based upon your admittedly biased (and frankly, rabid and overly-antagonistic) world view.

More to the point, I would thank you not to take it upon yourself to 'educate' our brother from Ireland about 'how it really is here the United States of America'. I question your qualifications, your credentials, and your objectivity.

Let him make up his own mind for himself, why don't you?

Well, I must say, whenever I see people such as the President or some senior Government officals interviewed,
I always get the feeling that the tv presenter lets them off the hook.
Its as if,they're afraid to ask the nitty gritty questions.
Example: Everytime I see a White House Press meeting,its the same old mumbo jumbo everytime,how no journalist has taken the President apart over Iraq, I'll never know.

Paul,

I have read a great deal on the history of all the modern-era US Presidents, and their various styles of communication. I'd like to offer you my observations and opinion, and then you can make up your own mind on the topic of whether (or why) the media treats our leaders with kid gloves or not.

White House press conferences are politically-influenced gatherings of representatives from most of the major domestic & foreign news services. Those journalists have worked for many years to get to the point where they can gain access to the President, and there are certain protocols they must follow in order to operate and to ensure they'll be invited back the next time.
It's been this way for many, many years, and for many iterations of US Presidents.

As it stands, you would generally never have heard a newsman at a White House press conference ask Gerald Ford, or Bill Clinton, or GW Bush even, "Mr. President, I accuse you of consipiring to allow space aliens to infiltrate our society and to eventually take over our minds and enslave us and to turn our planet into an intergalactic penal mining colony of evil, tri-pedal space mutants. When are you going to resign and shoot yourself?"

What you would hear instead is, "Mr. President, an article in the Washington Post made reference recently to a connection between high-level Government officials and space aliens. Do you have any comment, sir?"

That's just politics. I can only imagine that's how it is in the UK, or Russia, or in India as well.

If only Rosie were right wing and a Bush supporter my day would be complete.

Well, I must say, whenever I see people such as the President or some senior Government officals interviewed,
I always get the feeling that the tv presenter lets them off the hook.
They do, absolutely.

That is because the entities that own the politicians in Washington and who totally control the country --the Corporations-- own virtually all the major Media.

Its as if,they're afraid to ask the nitty gritty questions.
Exactly so.

The only topic where they're allowed to "go after the jugular" is something that is no business whatsoever of the People; who the politicians are having sex with.

Example: Everytime I see a White House Press meeting,its the same old mumbo jumbo everytime, how no journalist has taken the President apart over Iraq, I'll never know.
You have to understand, paul, that the RightWing politicos in Washington have totally neutered the White House Press corps.

Any "journalist" with an ounce of godamned intergity would tell these pathological liars in this Administration that if they are not going to be allowed to ask meaningful questions (without being sent to the back of the room, as was Helen Thomas) they will walk out in protest. Not that the cabal of thieves and war profiteers known as the Bush Administration would care. The less they are scrutinized and held accountable, the better they like it.

In fact, they have insisted upon not being scrutined or asked uncomfortable questions. When Bush and his co-conspirators were hatching the plot to foment the Iraq war with their pack of despicable and transparent lies, the Press in this country obediently laid down and refused to investigate the claims Bush and his band of liars were making daily, and went along with those lies.

Oh sure, the Media later apologized profusely and said --""Well, we really should have asked more pointed questions""--......but it was too late by then. Result; 600,000 innocent people dead in Iraq, 3200 American soldiers dead for nothing, and a trillion dollars robbed from the pockets of the brain dead taxpayers who agreed to go along with the illegal, unwarranted and unecessary "war".

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The most cold-blooded, murderous people involved in the Iraq conflict are to be found in Washington D.C., atop the nation’s military-industrial and war media complexes. They stride in expensive suits through the safe, tranquil, air-conditioned corridors of power while brown-skinned children weep in anguish and U.S. soldiers’ lose their limbs in the sweltering bloodbath of “liberated” Iraq. As Bob Dylan noted in 1962, -- “They fasten the triggers for the others to fire; and sit back and watch while the death count gets higher. They hide in their mansions, while young people’s blood; flows out of their bodies and gets buried in the mud”.

To FT & Sparky:
Hmm, guys thanks for the input.
I remember when the 'Downing Street' papers were on the go,some in the British media hounded Tony Blair for weeks,and even now,the media are once again questioning Blair and the whole Iraq thing.

In Ireland,Bertie Ahern or his Ministers get a grilling over the economy and Immigration.
I really dont see the point of weekly press briefings if its all hunky dorey bullshit.
I first started to believe thiswhen I seen Mr Bush at the White House Press Christmass Dinner,couldnt figure how these people could take the President to task,and be all cosy the next nite,very strange.

They do, absolutely.

That is because the entities that own the politicians in Washington and who totally control the country --the Corporations-- own virtually all the major Media.


Exactly so.

The only topic where they're allowed to "go after the jugular" is something that is no business whatsoever of the People; who the politicians are having sex with.


You have to understand, paul, that the RightWing politicos in Washington have totally neutered the White House Press corps.

Any "journalist" with an ounce of godamned intergity would tell these pathological liars in this Administration that if they are not going to be allowed to ask meaningful questions (without being sent to the back of the room, as was Helen Thomas) they will walk out in protest. Not that the cabal of thieves and war profiteers known as the Bush Administration would care. The less they are scrutinized and held accountable, the better they like it.

In fact, they have insisted upon not being scrutined or asked uncomfortable questions. When Bush and his co-conspirators were hatching the plot to foment the Iraq war with their pack of despicable and transparent lies, the Press in this country obediently laid down and refused to investigate the claims Bush and his band of liars were making daily, and went along with those lies.

Oh sure, the Media later apologized profusely and said --""Well, we really should have asked more pointed questions""--......but it was too late by then. Result; 600,000 innocent people dead in Iraq, 3200 American soldiers dead for nothing, and a trillion dollars robbed from the pockets of the brain dead taxpayers who agreed to go along with the illegal, unwarranted and unecessary "war".

___________________________

The most cold-blooded, murderous people involved in the Iraq conflict are to be found in Washington D.C., atop the nation’s military-industrial and war media complexes. They stride in expensive suits through the safe, tranquil, air-conditioned corridors of power while brown-skinned children weep in anguish and U.S. soldiers’ lose their limbs in the sweltering bloodbath of “liberated” Iraq. As Bob Dylan noted in 1962, -- “They fasten the triggers for the others to fire; and sit back and watch while the death count gets higher. They hide in their mansions, while young people’s blood; flows out of their bodies and gets buried in the mud”.

Freethinker, I say this with all due respect and affection;
You should consider seeking some serious psychological help, sir.

This hateful obsession of yours is clearly all-consuming.
You are beyond a broken record, you are now by all visible and self-demonstrated accounts a broken man.

And because I care about you, I say this;
You run the risk of embarassing yourself if you don't listen to some words of intervention. This coming from somebody who cares about you and your family. And your ability to keep it all together while trying to earn your wage and conduct your day to day affairs.

Please consider getting professional help.
There's no shame in it, really.
Everybody need an objective opinion every now and then.

I am as serious as a heart attack, sir.

Nah, FT is fine, he's just stuck in 2003.

I think Freethinker is right on base. Our government does pull strings of the media because the media want access and they will lose it if the do not stay on a leash. I think it is rude to say someone needs mental health for stating thier opinion if it isn't hurting anyone. I in no way think Free thinker needs any kind of emotional help.
He is a very bright and intelligent person with excellent insight of the truth.

Good for you, sister.
Your opinion is noted, and well-considered.
And thank you for contributing in such a positive and well-intentioned fashion.

You however don't have the same history with Brother Freethinker that the rest of us do (those who have corresponded with him for more than a month or two).
His postings on the topic of the current President (and his 'evil cabal of oil-rich minions, and their nefarious and careless intentions with regard to our troops at war') are beyond fanatical, and border on the obsessive and disturbed.

So please, unless you wish to become the metaphorical mindless, big-boobed, blonde-haired cheerleader for this fellow you hardly know, stand down.

For you own self-esteem, dignity, and standing in the community, please just stand down.

God! I love you Sparky!

Wanna make out?

Wanna make out?
hahahahahaha who would want to make out wit u?

slut
hahahahaha :lolhit:

dang, i edited that out because i felt it crossed the line. but you got it before i did. but whatever, no one around allforums seems to care if people cross the line or not.

dang, i edited that out because i felt it crossed the line. but you got it before i did. but whatever, no one around allforums seems to care if people cross the line or not.
Tsk Tsk, you did cross the line, OD. Shame on you. You just lowered yourself in my eyes.

Download a sense of humor, would you?

Freethinker, I say this with all due respect and affection;
You should consider seeking some serious psychological help, sir.

This hateful obsession of yours is clearly all-consuming.
You are beyond a broken record, you are now by all visible and self-demonstrated accounts a broken man.

And because I care about you, I say this;
You run the risk of embarassing yourself if you don't listen to some words of intervention. This coming from somebody who cares about you and your family. And your ability to keep it all together while trying to earn your wage and conduct your day to day affairs.

Please consider getting professional help.
There's no shame in it, really.
Everybody need an objective opinion every now and then.

I am as serious as a heart attack, sir.

Can you possibly be any more condecending Sparky?

I think not.

Good for you, sister.
Your opinion is noted, and well-considered.
And thank you for contributing in such a positive and well-intentioned fashion.

You however don't have the same history with Brother Freethinker that the rest of us do (those who have corresponded with him for more than a month or two).
His postings on the topic of the current President (and his 'evil cabal of oil-rich minions, and their nefarious and careless intentions with regard to our troops at war') are beyond fanatical, and border on the obsessive and disturbed.

So please, unless you wish to become the metaphorical mindless, big-boobed, blonde-haired cheerleader for this fellow you hardly know, stand down.

For you own self-esteem, dignity, and standing in the community, please just stand down.

Sorry but I will not stand down and I defend the right for Free thinker to be distrusting and ashamed of our government. Bush is an embarrassement to our nation and so is administration of lap dogs. I have never been so embarrassed to be an American. I was prouder on the day Clinton got a blow job.

As for gettng to know someone I have been here 3 weeks and have seen enough post to make a good enough decision about peoples character and when someone stoops low enough to try to discredit someone by saying the suffer from a mental illness you have already lost the battle of the wits. It is a poor attempt at discrediting the individual instead of making intellectual post in defense of your position.

As for my self-esteem, dignity and standing in the community what you say or anyone else says has no effect or muzzles me in anyway to say what is on my mind. I couldn't give a rats ass what people think of me.

dang, i edited that out because i felt it crossed the line. but you got it before i did. but whatever, no one around allforums seems to care if people cross the line or not.

agreed OD. Unless you are named warrior nothing will happen to you if you cross the line.

Because even though certian people have been warned today she continues to cause problems and troll after me by agreeing to others who make rude comments to me like that doesn't mean she is directly attacking me and there technically not breaking any rules.

But I am sure she will not get into any trouble for it.:rolleyes:

agreed OD. Unless you are named warrior nothing will happen to you if you cross the line.

Because even though certian people have been warned today she continues to cause problems and troll after me by agreeing to others who make rude comments to me like that doesn't mean she is directly attacking me and there technically not breaking any rules.

But I am sure she will not get into any trouble for it.:rolleyes:
We'll see. I reported his post.Harassment, in case you are wondering.

I'm not causing problems, just playing with Sparky like I always do. Being a newbie, I don't expect you to understand. Why must you make a mountain out of a mole hill?

It's not always about you. Why do you insist it is?

I don't really care. No need to answer this.


So, you think he has the right to call me a 'slut'? Shame on you too. Sparky is a happily married man in reality, I know this and am happy for him.

Shame on you for sticking up for OD. Speaks volumes about you.

I never mentioned your name. I wasn't taking about you. Unless you are responsible for actually doing what I said????

I never mentioned your name. I wasn't taking about you. Unless you are responsible for actually doing what I said???? riiight.:rolleyes:

dang, i edited that out because i felt it crossed the line. but you got it before i did. but whatever, no one around allforums seems to care if people cross the line or not.
It might benefit you to think about what you're posting before you hit 'Sumbit Reply.' Or if you really mean it, post it and leave it there.

(He knows what I'm talking about.)

Regarding the OD thing, he realized his mistake and removed the offending word, no harm done. Isolated incident anyway, OD's usually pretty civil. It's patterns I tend to worry about. Imp, warrior, why don't you guys just stop talking to each other? That would solve a lot of problems.

So, you think he has the right to call me a 'slut'? Shame on you too. Sparky is a happily married man in reality, I know this and am happy for him.

Shame on you for sticking up for OD. Speaks volumes about you.
It was meant as a joke, since I also DO KNOW that Sparky is married and that wanting to kiss someone isn't "slutty". But I realized it would most likely not be viewed as a joke, so I removed it. However, you saw it before I did and you DIDN'T take it as a joke...just as I figured. Oh well, not like I care what you think.

Steady, now. Remember, we're all friends here.

Back to the earlier topic though.

Warrior, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers by cautioning you not to ally yourself too closely with somebody about whom you know comparatively little.

Freethinker is, of course, simply exercising his constitutional right to speak his mind, and to challenge the motives and practices of our elected officials.
If you go back however and read just (oh I don’t know, let me pick a number out of my hat) a hundred or so of his most recent posts, you will begin to discern a pattern of anger and animosity toward the President, our Government, and the average American citizen that borders on monomania.

If, as I hope, Freethinker lives a normal and happy existence at home and on the job, and this obsessive hatred and venomous bile doesn’t affect his ability to maintain relationships and a steady income, then perhaps psychological help is not warranted.
If that is truly the case, then brother FT is probably just having his way with us, and using the computer keyboard as a creative and emotional outlet for political discourse and wry, sardonic humor.

Still, the monomaniacal nature of his bitter vitriol (as regards the President, the US Government, and the ‘mindless, moronic drones’ as he views the rest of us) leads most of us who have known him for longer than three weeks to believe that he is as crazy as a gut-shot squirrel.

Speaking of somebody who could probably use some therapy, let me ask you this question, warrior1972:
Is it this hard for you in real life?

I can’t help but notice that you yourself are unable to enter into any web-forum discussion without it turning into an angry and bitter pissing contest of some sort.
Is that how it is in your real life, away from the computer and the internet?

If you are truly this paranoid and combative in all your other affairs, I would also suggest a trip to the shrink for you as well.
You are still just in your mid-thirties, and the better part of your life (and relationships) is still ahead of you. Most people with your angry and antagonistic nature will find that therapy can be a most beneficial and rewarding experience. Calming and life-altering even.

Just a thought, anyway;
Some psychiatrists have a discounted rate for couple’s therapy.
Perhaps you could round up Freethinker, and the two of you could save some money on the deal.

:thumbs:

Imp, warrior, why don't you guys just stop talking to each other? That would solve a lot of problems.

Agreed.

Steady, now. Remember, we're all friends here.

Back to the earlier topic though.

Warrior, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers by cautioning you not to ally yourself too closely with somebody about whom you know comparatively little.

Freethinker is, of course, simply exercising his constitutional right to speak his mind, and to challenge the motives and practices of our elected officials.
If you go back however and read just (oh I don’t know, let me pick a number out of my hat) a hundred or so of his most recent posts, you will begin to discern a pattern of anger and animosity toward the President, our Government, and the average American citizen that borders on monomania.

If, as I hope, Freethinker lives a normal and happy existence at home and on the job, and this obsessive hatred and venomous bile doesn’t affect his ability to maintain relationships and a steady income, then perhaps psychological help is not warranted.
If that is truly the case, then brother FT is probably just having his way with us, and using the computer keyboard as a creative and emotional outlet for political discourse and wry, sardonic humor.

Still, the monomaniacal nature of his bitter vitriol (as regards the President, the US Government, and the ‘mindless, moronic drones’ as he views the rest of us) leads most of us who have known him for longer than three weeks to believe that he is as crazy as a gut-shot squirrel.

Speaking of somebody who could probably use some therapy, let me ask you this question, warrior1972:
Is it this hard for you in real life?

I can’t help but notice that you yourself are unable to enter into any web-forum discussion without it turning into an angry and bitter pissing contest of some sort.
Is that how it is in your real life, away from the computer and the internet?

If you are truly this paranoid and combative in all your other affairs, I would also suggest a trip to the shrink for you as well.
You are still just in your mid-thirties, and the better part of your life (and relationships) is still ahead of you. Most people with your angry and antagonistic nature will find that therapy can be a most beneficial and rewarding experience. Calming and life-altering even.

Just a thought, anyway;
Some psychiatrists have a discounted rate for couple’s therapy.
Perhaps you could round up Freethinker, and the two of you could save some money on the deal.

:thumbs:

I understand sparky and thank you. You probably don't know but I suffer from a mental illness called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and it is used on me on a regular basis to discredit my views.
I do not suffer from skitzophrenia which distortes my reality but people seem to think that because I see a therapist or take medication that I make a statement that is not in line with thier agreement they claim "I did not take my meds" or other crap like that. So I am particularly sensitive about people using the fact that someone is mentally ill to make thier post seem invalid.

I completely understand if you don't agree with freethinker and frustrated with his point of view. I mean we all sometimes cannot get what the other people are thinking and because we can't understand it or see where it is coming from it is easier for us to dismiss it as idiotic, retarded or not from this reality so we can feel more comfortable about thinking we are right. Freethinker has been exposed to different experiences than you have and sees the world differently than you. His ideas and concepts are no less valid than yours just he is seeing it from a different perspective. He has seen things that you have not. Things that validate his point of view.

I think your posts are insightful too as Freethinkers are except for when you said I need to be blonde, grow big boobs and stuff to be listened to but I understand you just were being defensive.

Hugs to all

I to suffer from Post Traumatic Stress,have done for over 30 years.
But I tell ya what,I wouldnt come on a debating board if it effected my condition.

I will try again to explain it to you.

Try reading the following V_E_R_Y S_L_O_W_L_Y.

Some time ago when she had a television show and did NOT make her political feelings known, she was an extremely popular entertainer, making mega-millions with a very highly rated show. There was NOT an immense screeching emanating from the same people who now seemingly despise her about her being "ugly" and "fat" and "stupid".

Yet as SOON as she began to question and criticize the powers-that-be of the Rightwing political leadership in Washington, she immediately began to be a target of extreme anger and derision from the extreme right faction and was subsequently booted off the television show she was on.

Let me explain it to you again:
I N_E_V_E_R L_I_K_E_D R_O_S_I_E, E_V_E_R!_!_!_!_!
P_L_E_A_S_E S_T_F_U
you act as if Rosie coming out as some left wing nut is a suprise to conservatives. We assume everyone on TV thinks like that. What is a suprise is when a TV personality does start making their politcal opinions heard and they don't sound like Rosie, or even more suprising, actually says something a conservative would say. Who was the last celebrity to come out in suport of anything the adminstration has done? I can t think of any. So please, give it a rest. Rosie is just another left winger on TV. If conservatives decided who got to stay on TV based on their political allignment there wouldnt be anyone on TV.

"Speaking of somebody who could probably use some therapy, let me ask you this question, warrior1972:
Is it this hard for you in real life?"

Not unless someone is says something rude and abusive to me or rude and abusive someone who cannot defend themselves. I get along fine until some asshole gets thier panties in a bunch and decides to take out thier bad day on me. I don't put up with any shit. Also if a customer is giving a cashier or a waitress a hard time that will set me off too because the cashier or waitress cannot tell these people to fuck off or they would lose thier job. I waitressed for 8 years and put up with god knows what and I won't let it happen to anyone else if I see it. I have been many times in public and never caused any problems. I am purely reactive in nature. You piss on me, I piss on you. It is real simple.

"I can’t help but notice that you yourself are unable to enter into any web-forum discussion without it turning into an angry and bitter pissing contest of some sort.
Is that how it is in your real life, away from the computer and the internet?"

My real life I stay at home most of the time because I have kids and I know if I go out there could be a confrontation. I do not know how to let it go when people make snide remarks or verbally abuse me. I think it has to do that my mom beat me down so much as a kid that even though she would literally beat my face it I refused to back down. I would not let her win. She would accuse me of thing I never did and would beat me if I did not admit that she was right. I spent years of her trying to break me. She would knock me down and I would get up again.
What you have not seen on this board is countless times that I tried to be civil and tried to have rational discussion with certian people and eventually I could not take it anymore and began becoming abusive myself because I thought that was the only way to fight but I was not going to back down or go away.

"If you are truly this paranoid and combative in all your other affairs, I would also suggest a trip to the shrink for you as well."

Parania is not part of PTSD. I do not have parania or anything close to it. Please understand mental illness terms before using them. You are spreading ignorance. I do see a shrink on a weekly bases. Her question to me was where were the moderators and why the moderators tolerate the abusive behavior of some of the people on this board. She also says that many people are abusive on places like the board because they are annoynomous and do not have to face the consequence of talking like that to a person face to face. She basically said they were cowards and hiding behind the computer and she highly doubts they would be brave enough to show thier true colors in real life.

"You are still just in your mid-thirties, and the better part of your life (and relationships) is still ahead of you. Most people with your angry and antagonistic nature will find that therapy can be a most beneficial and rewarding experience. Calming and life-altering even."


I like debatings and learning new things this is why I am here. There are many perspectives here and I like learning about other peoples ideas. However people here are very abusive on a regular bases. I have never started anything with anyone without being provoked. Someone has always made a personal attack or rude remark to either me or someone else unfairly and then I chime in and usually I will try to be civil about it before getting nasty but being repeatly attacked and put down I do become mean and nasty.

How do you know that therapy can be a most beneficial and rewarding experience. Have you been to therapy? How would you know? Unless you are a registers pyschologist you have no business telling anyone who needs or does not need therapy. You are not qualified to make that judgement and it is arrogant on your part to think you are worthy of such a position.

I to suffer from Post Traumatic Stress,have done for over 30 years.
But I tell ya what,I wouldnt come on a debating board if it effected my condition.

Well on most message board that I have been on abuse has not been a problem and I get along fine. However this board is rampant with abusive people.

As for it effecting my PTSD abuse does trigger it and it is a problem. I think the only reason I keep exposing myself to it is that I don't think bullies should get thier way. Thier tactics are to abuse you and intimidate you to control you and run you away.

I am not going to let them succeed because someone has to stop it sometime. If I do not stand up against them now the next new person will face the same problem. Bullies are bullies because people let them get away with it. They either do not want to be a target of thier abuse or do not feel they can do anything about it.

Many people now have spoken out about the problem people on this board and would not have done so if I had not so upset that I got banned. I am totally ok with being banned because it made a change and people spoke up against the abusers an bullies.

This is what I am about.

Fair enough,hope you know what your doing.

warrior1972,

I am truly sorry for the abuse you suffered at the hands of your mother while you were a child. As I am sure you would likely be sorry for the abuse I suffered at the hands of my own father, a notorious pedophile and (years after the fact) convicted and registered sex-offender.

I do in fact know that therapy can be a most beneficial and rewarding experience. I have indeed been to therapy. Marriage counseling too. I also feel that, as a life-long student of psychology (and grad-student endeavoring to work in that field) that I have a pretty good grip on who does and/or does not need therapy. I believe that I am qualified to make that judgment, and do not feel the least bit arrogant about passing on such advice to others.

I am glad that you too are seeing a therapist, and that you have tempered your own needs in this regard with your responsibilities as a mother and a citizen.
I’m also pleased to see that you are self-aware enough to realize that you run the risk of social alienation when you choose to fight the good fight, each and every time somebody challenges your social sensibilities.

Please though do not confuse your anger and indignation (over the policies & track record of GW Bush) with Freethinker’s monomaniacal anger and single-minded obsession with the slandering and derision of that same gentleman.
They are not one and the same thing.
If you admittedly hate Bush and hate the war he got us into, you are but a mere dilettante in the art and science of Bush/Government/Republican/Gun Ownership hatred, compared to Brother Freethinker, that is.

The guy needs help, and that is plain to see.
I am just enough of a friend to tell him to his face (in a manner of web-speaking), whereas everyone else would rather just treat him as the house joke, the rabid and narrowly-focused Bush-hater, whose stale and predictable ramblings on the topic of Gee Dubya Bush are a never-ending source of amusement and cruel and thoughtless tittering to others.

I love Brother Freethinker enough to tell him the truth;
he needs professional help.

But I suspect he knows that.

Freethinker may be passionate about his hatred of the Bush regime, but he is well informed and justified.

justified? that's your opinion. And being able to repeat a bunch of propaganda read on blogs and opinion pieces does not qualify one as informed. He is passionate though, one might say fanatical.

The guy needs help, and that is plain to see.
I am just enough of a friend to tell him to his face (in a manner of web-speaking), whereas everyone else would rather just treat him as the house joke, the rabid and narrowly-focused Bush-hater, whose stale and predictable ramblings on the topic of Gee Dubya Bush are a never-ending source of amusement and cruel and thoughtless tittering to others.

I love Brother Freethinker enough to tell him the truth;
he needs professional help.

But I suspect he knows that.

Actually Sparkster...there's yet another way to view FT. I do not find him to be a joke. I quite enjoy his posts and learn from him. He writes well, is entertaining, well read and from my personal view point is likely quite balanced in real life. He certainly knows how to push buttons though. And I quite enjoy how fast he can make people spin. Kind of dreidel-like. :D Now you have to admit, that is interesting from a psych vantage too.

Can you possibly be any more condecending Sparky?

I think not.

LOL.

I wouldn't want to be the poor mental health care professional saddled with trying to sort out that megalomaniacal prick, (as evidenced by the steady supply of boring and puerile little vignettes he pushes forth, seemingly imagining himself the pithiest and wittiest writer since Oscar Wilde) with his haughty yet oh so smarmy and phony-- "Oh pleeease get some counseling, because I caaaare about you".

:rolleyes:

But because I am deeply resentful of an extreme rightwing government duping the American People and robbing them of a half a trillion dollars a year thru their warmongering and their lies, and their constant diminishing of the People's rights and freedoms, I am supposedly in "need of counseling".

But because I am deeply resentful of an extreme rightwing government duping the American People and robbing them of a half a trillion dollars a year thru their warmongering and their lies, and their constant diminishing of the People's rights and freedoms, I am supposedly in "need of counseling".

Well said.

As if the abuses and crimes of this administration are somehow your fault and the rightous indigation that any reasonable person should feel is somehow reason to need "counseling".

IMO, the people in need of counseling are all those incapable of giving a crap about what has been going on. Those are the sick individuals, in deperate need of professional help, in my opinion.

justified? that's your opinion.

No it is a fact, but I hardly expect someone like you to understand.

See my last post.

LOL.

I wouldn't want to be the poor mental health care professional saddled with trying to sort out that megalomaniacal prick, (as evidenced by the steady supply of boring and puerile little vignettes he pushes forth, seemingly imagining himself the pithiest and wittiest writer since Oscar Wilde) with his haughty yet oh so smarmy and phony-- "Oh pleeease get some counseling, because I caaaare about you".

:rolleyes:

But because I am deeply resentful of an extreme rightwing government duping the American People and robbing them of a half a trillion dollars a year thru their warmongering and their lies, and their constant diminishing of the People's rights and freedoms, I am supposedly in "need of counseling".

I take it back, Freethinker, you don't need therapy.

You need electro-shock therapy. Administered at the hands of an extreme rightwing government top-secret goon squad.

Speaking of your peculiar and rabid obsessions, here's what our sisters at Wikipedia have to say on the topic of Monomania:

"In psychiatry, monomania (from Greek monos, one, and mania, mania) is a type of paranoia in which the patient has only one idea or type of ideas. Emotional monomania is that in which the patient is obsessed with only one emotion or several related to it; intellectual monomania is that which is related to only one kind of delirious idea or ideas.

In colloquial terms, the term monomania is often attached to subcultures that to the general public appear esoteric. However, the differences between monomania and passion can be very subtle and difficult to recognize."

Not exactly Oscar Wilde, but still sufficiently puerile and pithy, I think.
:thumbs:

You claimed that I had parania too? Does everyone who has some liberal ideas have parania? I hardly find his idea delirious and people are so upset about the administration and are told lies and propaganda I think you should be blaming the media because the media is normally where we get our source of information. Every channel but fox news reports about the Bush Administration breaking the rules over and over again. The world practically hates us since Bush has been in office. I mean yeah we had some enemies before but when Bush too over and all this Iraq stuff happened 97 percent of the world was like "what the fuck" everyone gets it. The world, the democrats, the Independents, the Green party, the Libitarians even the moderate Republicans get it. I mean after a while of sitting on your own Island of thinking are you going to realize all these people are not suffering from monomania?

No it is a fact, but I hardly expect someone like you to understand.

See my last post.

Do you know what a fact is? Someone saying something is justified is never a fact. Bush said the war in Iraq was justifed, I dont think you think that is a fact. The fact is that one persons justified is another persons crime. You say freethinker is justified in his hatred of Bush, I say he is over reacting. Both are OPINIONS, you should learn that an opinion is not a fact, even if you agree with it.

I take it back, Freethinker, you don't need therapy.

You need electro-shock therapy. Administered at the hands of an extreme rightwing government top-secret goon squad.

Speaking of your peculiar and rabid obsessions, here's what our sisters at Wikipedia have to say on the topic of Monomania:

"In psychiatry, monomania (from Greek monos, one, and mania, mania) is a type of paranoia in which the patient has only one idea or type of ideas. Emotional monomania is that in which the patient is obsessed with only one emotion or several related to it; intellectual monomania is that which is related to only one kind of delirious idea or ideas.

In colloquial terms, the term monomania is often attached to subcultures that to the general public appear esoteric. However, the differences between monomania and passion can be very subtle and difficult to recognize."

Not exactly Oscar Wilde, but still sufficiently puerile and pithy, I think.
:thumbs:


Speaking of needing professional help Sparky, I have two words which spring to mind reading your inane, irrelivent responses: Megalomania and Narcissism.


:lolhit:

I wouldn't want to be the poor mental health care professional saddled with trying to sort out that megalomaniacal prick, (as evidenced by the steady supply of boring and puerile little vignettes he pushes forth, seemingly imagining himself the pithiest and wittiest writer since Oscar Wilde) with his haughty yet oh so smarmy and phony-- "Oh pleeease get some counseling, because I caaaare about you".
Well said.

I take it back, Freethinker, you don't need therapy.

You need electro-shock therapy. Administered at the hands of an extreme rightwing government top-secret goon squad.
I agree Sparky. I dismissed FT as a Web Hobbit long before I ever even registered at allforums…decided it was not worth my time or energy to discuss issues with an angry old man who’s set in his ways, is one-sided, and only looking for an argument. I agree with maybe one in every 100 posts he makes. I just thank my lucky stars that he is just some insignificant pissant on a web forum and not my next door neighbor.

Here's a thought... Imagine if FT lived on one side of you and Warrior on the other side.

You claimed that I had parania too? Does everyone who has some liberal ideas have parania? ........., the Green party, the Libitarians even the moderate Republicans get it. I mean after a while of sitting on your own Island of thinking are you going to realize all these people are not suffering from monomania?

Warrior Goddess,

You have confused two separate and distinct comments on my part (one regarding your apparently paranoid and combative response to your fellow posters disagreeing with you, and Brother Freethinker's need for some sort of professional 'help') and blurred them into one, single political argument.

Allow me to make one thing perfectly clear;
Politics had absolutely nothing to do with my observations regarding your prickly, overly-sensitive response to being disagreed with, nor did politics play even a minor role in my observation about Freethinker's monomaniacal obsession with the President, the war, and the US Government.

I myself am apolitical, and it really wouldn't matter whether I agreed or disagreed with Freethinker regarding his stance on the war and this President.
But let's just say that I agreed whole-heartedly with the man on this topic.
How long would any fellow listen to another fellow obsess over a given topic (over and over and over again) before he offered the opinion that the guy might be obsessed, and should consider some professional, objective advice?

Your reaction to my well-intentioned observations regarding human psychology (and the advice for psychological intervention) were, unfortunately & predictably, partisan-political.

It’s not about whether you are a liberal, a conservative, a Democrat, a Republican, a Freemason, or even a Canadian. (And I am on record as resisting the overly-simplistic and polarizing ‘libs versus right-wingers’ rhetoric around here.) It’s about caring, and about hope. And a brighter, more harmonious world someday, where you can communicate online without getting into arguments, and Freethinker can have even one conversation that doesn’t involve evil cabals, ignorant gun-owning-drones, and Government conspiracies.

I have to go to work now.
Have a wonderful, conflict-free day.

:flowers:

Freethinker doesn't suffer from monomania--he spends his time bashing religion just as much as Conservative America.

I have found an easy solution for Freethinker. I simply skim over his posts. 99% of the time they are not worth more than that. If I see something during the skimming that I think might be worth reading I take another look. So far I have found very few of his posts worth a second look.

NEW YORK - Heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio and envelope-pushers Rosie O'Donnell and Sacha Baron Cohen are among the entertainment newsmakers on Time magazine's list of 100 people who shape the world.

Who really cares what Time Magazine says. It isn't as if Time Magazine was one of the 100 most influential magazines in the world. Hell, I thought Time Magazine was no longer being published. It used to be an influential magazine but now it is just a waste of pulp wood.

Time Magazine, bah!

Circulation in the US alone is about 4 million weekly.

Time isn't totally useless.

You can always use it to line the cat's litter box.