Acording to the ACLU, we can't allow Christian Proclamations, or Christian Symbols, but we can honor Buddah.


May 2000 - Arizona Governor Jane Hull issues a proclamation celebrating the birth of Buddha. An ACLU spokesperson said, "Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution." (In 1998, when Governor Hull issued a proclamation declaring a "Bible Week," the ACLU sued, claiming a violation of the so-called "separation of church and state.")

January 2001 - At a press conference co-hosted by Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt, ACLU President Nadine Strossen lambasted Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft. Strossen claimed he had a "fundamental disdain for the Constitution," simply because he is pro-life, pro-family, favors common-sense restrictions on virtual (Internet) child pornography, and questions the notion of the so-called "separation of church and state."

April 2002 - The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring parents be notified when their underage daughters sought abortions. The ACLU supported the suit to have the law struck down.

April 2002 - The U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography. The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling it a triumph for "free speech."

February 2003 - A federal district judge prohibited Florida officials from blocking an anti-war demonstration at a public park that featured a peace symbol at a public park, comprised of nude bodies. Said an ACLU attorney, "For these demonstrators, nudity is an essential part of their political expression."

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/ACLU/decades.html

Acording to the ACLU, we can't allow Christian Proclamations, or Christian Symbols, but we can honor Buddah.


May 2000 - Arizona Governor Jane Hull issues a proclamation celebrating the birth of Buddha. An ACLU spokesperson said, "Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution." (In 1998, when Governor Hull issued a proclamation declaring a "Bible Week," the ACLU sued, claiming a violation of the so-called "separation of church and state.")

January 2001 - At a press conference co-hosted by Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt, ACLU President Nadine Strossen lambasted Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft. Strossen claimed he had a "fundamental disdain for the Constitution," simply because he is pro-life, pro-family, favors common-sense restrictions on virtual (Internet) child pornography, and questions the notion of the so-called "separation of church and state."

April 2002 - The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring parents be notified when their underage daughters sought abortions. The ACLU supported the suit to have the law struck down.

April 2002 - The U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography. The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling it a triumph for "free speech."

February 2003 - A federal district judge prohibited Florida officials from blocking an anti-war demonstration at a public park that featured a peace symbol at a public park, comprised of nude bodies. Said an ACLU attorney, "For these demonstrators, nudity is an essential part of their political expression."

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/ACLU/decades.html
it's left them feeling the need to break down American society, so they can rebuild it in their own image.

I used to be a supporter of the ACLU before their agenda became almost exclusively leftist. I support free speech but only if it is for everyone and not just for a select few.

Yep!!

I won't say that the ACLU is all bad. I know that it does some good things too.


I used to be a supporter of the ACLU before their agenda became almost exclusively leftist. I support free speech but only if it is for everyone and not just for a select few.

Acording to the ACLU, we can't allow Christian Proclamations, or Christian Symbols, but we can honor Buddah.

Still waiting for you to provide --per your assertion elsewhere on these boards-- an example of the ACLU telling a business that they cannot have a Nativity scene, while allowing them to have Muslim displays.

Sorry, I can't find that story although I remember hearing about it.

I will take back that assertion of mine. But the one listed above stands.

FT What are your feelings on the above title and post?


Still waiting for you to provide --per your assertion elsewhere on these boards-- an example of the ACLU telling a business that they cannot have a Nativity scene, while allowing them to have Muslim displays.

I used to be a supporter of the ACLU before their agenda became almost exclusively leftist.
Leftist? Now that's a laugh.

Leftist? Now that's a laugh.

"Leftist"???

The ACLU defended Rush Limbaugh after he got busted for Drugs.

They defend LIBERTY, which explains why the rightwingers hate them.

I used to be a supporter of the ACLU before their agenda became almost exclusively leftist. I support free speech but only if it is for everyone and not just for a select few.

The ACLU has become the 1 ton Gorilla in the room.What once
was a fair and considerate group of Lawyers,out to right wrong and
fight the good fight,has turned drastically uglier by the year.
Their Agenda is as follows.

- Destroy every vestige of God in Public.
- Eliminate Christmas,by word and tradition.
- Defend the rights of those undeserving of such rights.
- Make America Secular,at all costs.
- Destroy any Tradition in conflict with a Secular Agenda.
- Embrace those,who pander to a Leftist Agenda.
- Make Virtue,something unworthy of consideration.
- Never admit fault,no matter the Facts.

The ACLU is arguably THE biggest hindrance in this Country's
ability to legally make amends for a discretion,run afoul.

Their Agenda is as follows.

- Destroy every vestige of God in Public.
- Eliminate Christmas,by word and tradition.
- Defend the rights of those undeserving of such rights.
- Make America Secular,at all costs.
- Destroy any Tradition in conflict with a Secular Agenda.
- Embrace those,who pander to a Leftist Agenda.
- Make Virtue,something unworthy of consideration.
- Never admit fault,no matter the Facts.


This kind of nonsense is why I simply cannot take you seriously. You are a parody. A joke.

If anyone is interested in the TRUTH about the ACLU's "agenda", this is it (http://www.aclu.org/about/index.html):

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

Foolsworth,

To be dismissed by Dharmabum is a sure sign you are on the right track.

Foolsworth,

To be dismissed by Dharmabum is a sure sign you are on the right track.

What a suprise, another useless attack post from Frogger.

Foolsworth,

To be dismissed by Dharmabum is a sure sign you are on the right track.

He's a mere Bully.Every schoolyard has one.Or should.
After all Bullying IS The American way.
I wonder how many ACLU types will step up to the plate
and work Pro Bono on Imus' upcoming suit.
However,Free Speech speaks to Government infringement.
Not an employer's right to dismiss.
Wood someone please abridge this Drarma fellars right,just as a test.

ROFLMFAO!!!
I love it!

I point out Fool's lies and he calls me a "bully". :rolleyes:

LMAO

rookie mistake by dharma...

you don't go to www.aclu.com for proof on what the ACLU does... I'm sure if you went to a neo-nazi kkk website they'd tell you how rightful they are for doing what they do...

Or go to Al sharpton's site and see how he "defends everyone".. when we all know it's a load of crap.

The charges made against the ACLU by Foolsworth might have been extreme, but not wrong.

LMAO

rookie mistake by dharma...

you don't go to www.aclu.com for proof on what the ACLU does... Right. You go to www.reclaimamerica.org like sisko did.

Only objective sources are allowed around here.

Hey Dharm,

Please read the quote below, you might learn a thing or 2.

What do you think about the original post? Is it true or false?

Do you like how they say it is okay to honor Buddah, but do everything

in their power to get rid of God in any public life? (They are 2 faced, and you

must admit that if you are honest)


LMAO

rookie mistake by dharma...

you don't go to www.aclu.com for proof on what the ACLU does... I'm sure if you went to a neo-nazi kkk website they'd tell you how rightful they are for doing what they do...

Or go to Al sharpton's site and see how he "defends everyone".. when we all know it's a load of crap.

The charges made against the ACLU by Foolsworth might have been extreme, but not wrong.

Sedan,

Are you stating that the info I posted is not fact?

Please discredit the message. You can't do that by discrediting the

messanger. Please prove that the info I have provided is not fact.

Right. You go to www.reclaimamerica.org like sisko did.

Only objective sources are allowed around here.

LMAO

rookie mistake by dharma...

you don't go to www.aclu.com for proof on what the ACLU does...

Riiiiiiiight, we can all just rely on some rightwing blog or pundit to tell us how to think like you do, eh Decka?

Rather than let the group in question tell us what their "agenda" is we will take the word of a wacked out, drugged-up sounding message board hack. What a stupid idea.

Decka, I am going to keep this idiotic argument of yours in my pocket and will by pulling it out to frustrate you and piss you off in the near future.

Look for it! :)

After all Bullying IS The (North) American way.

You got that right!

What do you think about the original post? Is it true or false?

I think it is propaganda by a group with an agenda. It is definately not the whole story.



Do you like how they say it is okay to honor Buddah,

I have absolutely no problem with that.


but do everything in their power to get rid of God in any public life?

That explains all those times that the ACLU has defended the rights of Christians (http://www.aclu.org/religion/tencomm/16254res20050302.html). :rolleyes:

I don't see the point in hating on a group who's purpose is to defend my rights.

Sorry Sisko but that is a waste of my time.

ROFLMFAO!!!
I love it!

I point out Fool's lies and he calls me a "bully". :rolleyes:

You are right on all counts. ACLU is just leveling the playing field. Christianity has such dominance in this country they need slapped of thier high horse and make room for other religions to spread and grow and I think this is what many christians have a problem with.

Why is there no white pride groups (besides the KKK) I mean groups like NCAAP and Latino groups? Because whites are the ones with all the power and the minorities need those groups to protect themselves. Same thing with Christianity. They already own just about everything so the ACLU levels the playing field and protects the rights of minority religions.

Why on Sunday only christian preachers on? Where are all the Buddhist, Hinduist and Wiccans? Not because there is not a demand but because christians would boycott the network and sponsors would pull out and since christians are in the majority it works.
Why are there only religious childrens books about Jesus? I mean I go to a bookstore and see 20 different books on Jesus but none on buddha, shiva or the goddess Athena?
On every corner of the city block is a christian church. It is as bad as starbucks you cannot turn a corner without seeing a christian church.
Many people just become christians so they can fit in.

Christians want a monopoly in this country. They market and target people for conversion on a national level.

I am glad that I am a member of the ACLU. Someone has got to level the playing field.

Thank you for that deep, insightful post, Warrior. It is nice to know that in your opinion those nasty Christians deserve to be slapped off their high horse. You seem to be of the opinion that attacking Christians is okay because, hey, they are the majority religion.

It is always refreshing when anti-Christian bigots out themselves as effectively as you do.

Right. You go to www.reclaimamerica.org like sisko did.

Only objective sources are allowed around here.
:lolhit:

So you are saying that it is okay to honor Buddah and not God.

If you say that, you are a hypocrite.

Please refute what is written in the original post. If you do not do that, you

are a partisan hack.







I think it is propaganda by a group with an agenda. It is definately not the whole story.




I have absolutely no problem with that.




That explains all those times that the ACLU has defended the rights of Christians (http://www.aclu.org/religion/tencomm/16254res20050302.html). :rolleyes:

I don't see the point in hating on a group who's purpose is to defend my rights.

Sorry Sisko but that is a waste of my time.

Sedan,

I challenge you and Dharm to refute the info in the original post.

If it is not the whole store, the burden is on you to get the whole story.


Right. You go to www.reclaimamerica.org like sisko did.

Only objective sources are allowed around here.

So you are saying that it is okay to honor Buddah and not God.

Nope that is what you are saying. I never said any such thing.


If you say that, you are a hypocrite.

I guess you are a hypocrite then.

I already did refute your original post. It was nothing but propaganda that only tells a fraction of the whole story.
See post #21.

I am also a member of the ACLU because I know that what they do it critical to our liberty. If there is nobody to defend it then we won't have it for long.

I have noticed that it usually seems to be radical self-proclaimed Christains who are always spewing their hatred at the ACLU and they always ignore all the times the ACLU has defended Christians and cite the instances where they defended some other religion as "proof" of some kind of conspiracy theory.

Those people are just taking their cues from other extremist rightwing talking heads who tell them who to hate and why and they don't question it. They are not thinking for themselves.

I know that they do not represent the majority of Christians though, and they do not represent Christian morals whatsoever. They are just trying to play the victim card even though Christians make up the majority of the nation. It is complete nonsense.


You are right on all counts. ACLU is just leveling the playing field. Christianity has such dominance in this country they need slapped of thier high horse and make room for other religions to spread and grow and I think this is what many christians have a problem with.

Why is there no white pride groups (besides the KKK) I mean groups like NCAAP and Latino groups? Because whites are the ones with all the power and the minorities need those groups to protect themselves. Same thing with Christianity. They already own just about everything so the ACLU levels the playing field and protects the rights of minority religions.

Why on Sunday only christian preachers on? Where are all the Buddhist, Hinduist and Wiccans? Not because there is not a demand but because christians would boycott the network and sponsors would pull out and since christians are in the majority it works.
Why are there only religious childrens books about Jesus? I mean I go to a bookstore and see 20 different books on Jesus but none on buddha, shiva or the goddess Athena?
On every corner of the city block is a christian church. It is as bad as starbucks you cannot turn a corner without seeing a christian church.
Many people just become christians so they can fit in.

Christians want a monopoly in this country. They market and target people for conversion on a national level.

I am glad that I am a member of the ACLU. Someone has got to level the playing field.

So you are saying that it is okay to honor Buddah and not God.

If you say that, you are a hypocrite.

Please refute what is written in the original post. If you do not do that, you

are a partisan hack.

You can honor god all you want in public I mean Crosses being displayed in front of churches is allowed so why not a statue of buddha in front of a buddhist temple. I mean someone dies on a curb on the streets someone puts up a cross there is no law about that.

What ACLU is against is putting religion in our governemnt offices like the court house. Because of seperation of church and state.

Where exactly is this Buddha being placed? in a public park?

Thank you for that deep, insightful post, Warrior. It is nice to know that in your opinion those nasty Christians deserve to be slapped off their high horse. You seem to be of the opinion that attacking Christians is okay because, hey, they are the majority religion.

It is always refreshing when anti-Christian bigots out themselves as effectively as you do.

Sorry MOST christians. Is that better? Most christians think they have a right to supress other religious minorities.
You never answered any of my questions.

I am not attacking christians I am just making it a point that are use to having all the power and the ACLU is taking that away from them and they are sour about it and being babies about giving equality to other minority religions. Most christians think the only religious diplays to be put in public is christian ones. Face it most christians are on a high horse. They think thier religion is the one and only religion to be valued. I am just stating a fact.

Sorry Dharm,

You did not refute anytihing!! Refute what is written word by word.

Or if it did not tell the entire story, please tell us the entire story.

The ACLU are a bunch of hypocrites and you are a member!!

The original post in this thread proves the ACLU are a bunch of Hypocrites.

You need to refute it, or at least tell us the entire story.

Your words are hot air, and they have not proven anything here.


Nope that is what you are saying. I never said any such thing.



I guess you are a hypocrite then.

I already did refute your original post. It was nothing but propaganda that only tells a fraction of the whole story.
See post #21.

I am also a member of the ACLU because I know that what they do it critical to our liberty. If there is nobody to defend it then we won't have it for long.

I have noticed that it usually seems to be radical self-proclaimed Christains who are always spewing their hatred at the ACLU and they always ignore all the times the ACLU has defended Christians and cite the instances where they defended some other religion as "proof" of some kind of conspiracy theory.

Those people are just taking their cues from other extremist rightwing talking heads who tell them who to hate and why and they don't question it. They are not thinking for themselves.

I know that they do not represent the majority of Christians though, and they do not represent Christian morals whatsoever. They are just trying to play the victim card even though Christians make up the majority of the nation. It is complete nonsense.

Well they are nervous because they are losing power. I mean more and more people are turning away from christianity either it be to other religion or to the more moderate christians who don't really practice the religion and more secular than religious.

I mean I know of a least 100 churches here in washington alone that is having to sell thier church because they have such few followers that they cannot afford such a huge place.

It is a desperate attempt to keep control over the situations that they don't want to admit it happening.

Sorry Dharm,

You did not refute anytihing!! Refute what is written word by word.

Or if it did not tell the entire story, please tell us the entire story.

The ACLU are a bunch of hypocrites and you are a member!!

The original post in this thread proves the ACLU are a bunch of Hypocrites.

You need to refute it, or at least tell us the entire story.

Your words are hot air, and they have not proven anything here.

Please prove a situation in which they are hypicritical with links please and from a non bias source. A right winged site will not do because they will spin and it twist it.

It is important where the religions items is being displayed and I am betting that the buddha statue is on a none governmental property and the god this is on it.

Stop trying to refute by refuting the messanger. You will never find such a thing by a non bias source. Refute the message.

If they are not telling the entire story, then you should be able to refute it.

If it is twisted, then you should be able to un twist it.

The first post here in this thread proves the ACLU is hypicritical.

They say they want religion out of public life, but they don't mind

if Bddah is honored. Any link that proves teh ACLU is hypicritical will be bias. You need to refute the message, not the messanger.

That is hypicritical. If you are honest, you will admit it.

You, Dharm, and Sedan have not refuted anything.

Please prove a situation in which they are hypicritical with links please and from a non bias source. A right winged site will not do because they will spin and it twist it.

It is important where the religions items is being displayed and I am betting that the buddha statue is on a none governmental property and the god this is on it.

where does it state that the ACLU wants all religions items from public site. I do not see anyone telling churches to stop displaying crosses in front of thier churches or a law against putting up a cross where a person died by the highway?
It is exaggeration and half truths nothing more. I mean hell if they were trying to take religion out of the public we would not be able to put crosses up on gravestones.
It is simply a ridiculous claim.

If it is government property, or government sponsored, the ACLU is all over it if it has anything Christian.

On the other hand if it is Buddah, it is okay with the ACLU.

That is a fact.

Please read the first few lines of post 1.






where does it state that the ACLU wants all religions items from public site. I do not see anyone telling churches to stop displaying crosses in front of thier churches or a law against putting up a cross where a person died by the highway?
It is exaggeration and half truths nothing more. I mean hell if they were trying to take religion out of the public we would not be able to put crosses up on gravestones.
It is simply a ridiculous claim.

May 2000 - Arizona Governor Jane Hull issues a proclamation celebrating the birth of Buddha. An ACLU spokesperson said, "Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution." (In 1998, when Governor Hull issued a proclamation declaring a "Bible Week," the ACLU sued, claiming a violation of the so-called "separation of church and state.")


Look one guy said in one speech that he is praising buddhas birth but the other guy wants to make the whole week bible week. There is a big difference in making a comment about Buddha and claiming a whole week of bible week. Someone can say praise be to god or on christmas we celebrate jesus birth. ACLU has not problem with that but when someone proclaims a whole week for the bible is unacceptable.

You have not claims and they are not hypocrits if they were you could not celebrate christmas or Easter in public.

Sorry MOST christians. Is that better? Most christians think they have a right to supress other religious minorities.
You never answered any of my questions.

I am not attacking christians I am just making it a point that are use to having all the power and the ACLU is taking that away from them and they are sour about it and being babies about giving equality to other minority religions. Most christians think the only religious diplays to be put in public is christian ones. Face it most christians are on a high horse. They think thier religion is the one and only religion to be valued. I am just stating a fact.


Actally, you are stating opinion, not fact, and doing it in a nasty way. Yes, you are attacking Christians. You are also taking what a few Christians say and extending it to include MOST Christians.

Yes christians are such victims and this imaginary war against christianity when really people want equality of all religions. I mean for crying out loud it took wiccans 2 years to get a pentagram on thier headstone and you think that had nothing to do with the christian right?

You guys are such sour that ACLU doesn't kiss up to you and let you control aspects of everyones life. They are for EQUALITY and most christians have it thier head that christianity is the only religion that should be practiced in America.

Look one guy said in one speech that he is praising buddhas birth but the other guy wants to make the whole week bible week. There is a big difference in making a comment about Buddha and claiming a whole week of bible week. Someone can say praise be to god or on christmas we celebrate jesus birth. ACLU has not problem with that but when someone proclaims a whole week for the bible is unacceptable.

You have not claims and they are not hypocrits if they were you could not celebrate christmas or Easter in public.It doesn't matter if it's a week, a day, or a few seconds; it's still a violation of the First Amendment. It's the nature of the proclamation that matters, not the magnitude.

ACLU fighting for christian rights..

Missouri School District Agrees to Stop Distributing Bibles to Students (6/3/2004)


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

KANSAS CITY, MO -- A Kansas City Metro Area school district has agreed to stop distributing Gideon International Bibles to elementary-school children on school premises, settling a federal lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri on behalf of a Roman Catholic father of three.

"The role of the public school is to be neutral on matters of religion," said Dick Kurtenbach, Executive Director of the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri. "When public schools are neutral, they are serving both the interests of religion and the government."

Under the terms of a court-ordered agreement, called a consent decree, the Smithville R-II School District agreed that it would not "aid, abet, or assist in the distribution of Bibles to school children on school premises," or "grant permission to any non-student to distribute Bibles on school premises."
The consent decree came in response to a lawsuit filed in April by the ACLU on behalf of Kenneth Geniuk, a Roman Catholic father of three. According to the complaint, the school had "assisted in the distribution of Gideon Bibles to children" on school premises and, as such, interfered with the religious upbringing of Geniuk's children in violation of the religious freedom clause of the Constitution.

Geniuk also claimed that "by placing the imprimatur of government approval on the distribution of Gideon Bibles to elementary school children, [the school district's] conduct has caused and will cause irreparable harm to my right to determine the religious upbringing of my children." The consent decree applies for as long as Geniuk has one or more children enrolled in Smithville schools. Currently, two of Genuik's children attend district schools and a third will enter kindergarten in 2005.

Lawyers Larry M. Shumaker and Kelly Jackson filed the complaint for the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri. They were prepared to show that the distribution of bibles on public school property with the assistance of school personnel violated fundamental constitutional principles about religion under the First Amendment.

Shumaker and Jackson expressed their satisfaction with the consent decree and said that Geniuk was delighted that the public school will stop giving unwelcome religious materials to students with diverse beliefs in violation of their constitutionally protected rights. The decree was approved by U.S. District Court Judge Fernando J. Gaitan, Jr.

Thanks!

The ACLU will lash out against Christian things, but by their book things of Buddah are okay.




It doesn't matter if it's a week, a day, or a few seconds; it's still a violation of the First Amendment. It's the nature of the proclamation that matters, not the magnitude.

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries (5/11/2004)


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student's entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

"While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious expression of students," said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg, who represented the student. "In this case, a high school purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a student's speech because it was religious in nature."

The student, Abbey Moler, was valedictorian of Stevenson High School's class of 2001 in Sterling Heights, a town of 17,000 located 25 miles north of Detroit. She and a handful of other noteworthy graduates were profiled in a section of the yearbook listing the students' activities and the colleges they planned to attend. In addition, each student was invited to share some words of wisdom or advice to pass on to the rest of the school.

In previous years, students' entries in the section ranged from serious advice to humorous tidbits. Moler, a devout Christian, submitted a bible verse that she found meaningful: "I would like to share a favorite verse that shapes my life and guides me from day to day: 'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.' Jeremiah 29:11 (New International Bible)."

When the yearbook was published, Moler discovered that her entry had been omitted. She and her parents complained, and were told that the school could not publish the entry due to its religious content.

"My personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the foundation of who I am, and the publication of my verse is critical to preserving student expression and First Amendment rights," said Moler, who is now 20 years old and studying to become a teacher. "I received a wonderful education from the Utica Community School District, and now that I am entering the teaching profession, I wanted to do my part in maintaining excellence in public education."
The ACLU and the school district were able to negotiate a settlement in the matter, thus avoiding the need to file a lawsuit. The terms of the settlement include the following:

The district will place a sticker with Moler's original entry in the copies of the yearbook on file with the school;
The district has instructed the Stevenson High School yearbook staff not to censor students' yearbook entries solely because they contain religious or political speech that others might find offensive;
The district recently provided and will continue to provide in-service training and advice to school staff on free speech and religious freedom issues that arise in school;
The district will write a letter of regret to Moler apologizing for the failure to include her entry in the yearbook.
A copy of censored yearbook page is online at http://www.aclumich.org/pressadditions/uticayearbook.jpg

A copy of the ACLU's original letter to the school district is online at http://www.aclumich.org/pressadditions/uticayearbookletter.doc




Please tell me again that ACLU only fights against christians???

The ACLU will lash out against Christian things, but by their book things of Buddah are okay.

I am still waiting for you to post documentation --per your prior assertion on these boards-- of one instance of the ACLU trying to forbid a business from having a nativity scene, while allowing Muslim displays.

They will not listen free thinker. ACLU is a threat to them because they cannot run amuck across the country unchallenged.

Sorry Sisko.

I refuted your post already. You falsely claimed that they attack christianity and I proved that is a load of B.S. I posted a link to a list of Christians that the ACLU has defended. They defend anyone who's freedoms are being threatened.

I see no purpose in attacking a group whos only purpose is to defend our freedoms.

You only hate them because they dare to defend non-christians.

That hatred is entirely yours and yours alone.

Sedan,

Are you stating that the info I posted is not fact?No. I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to Decka -- you moron.

you moron.
Someone alert the mods!

Dharm,

Again you have not refuted anything. The ACLU says it is okay for government to honor Buddah, but it is not okay for government to honor God.

That has been proven in the first post. You have not refuted it.
You can't refute it.



Sorry Sisko.

I refuted your post already. You falsely claimed that they attack christianity and I proved that is a load of B.S. I posted a link to a list of Christians that the ACLU has defended. They defend anyone who's freedoms are being threatened.

I see no purpose in attacking a group whos only purpose is to defend our freedoms.

You only hate them because they dare to defend non-christians.

That hatred is entirely yours and yours alone.

I have already stated that I can't find it, so I retract that statement.

I am now waiting for you or Dharm, or Warrior, or Sedan to refute post # 1 in this thread.

I am still waiting for you to post documentation --per your prior assertion on these boards-- of one instance of the ACLU trying to forbid a business from having a nativity scene, while allowing Muslim displays.

Again you have not refuted anything. The ACLU says it is okay for government to honor Buddah, but it is not okay for government to honor God.Perhaps in this particular case, but the ACLU has indeed represented Christians in cases regarding freedom of religion.

I will not say that the ACLU is all bad.


Perhaps in this particular case, but the ACLU has indeed represented Christians in cases regarding freedom of religion.

The ACLU says it is okay for government to honor Buddah, but it is not okay for government to honor God.

No, they said no such thing. You are simply lying.

Since all you have are lies, there is nothing further to refute.

Dharm you are the liar!!

This is what the ACLU said (below) it is very close to what I said they said.

I did not put it in quotes last time, so I was not lying.

You love to misrepresent the words of those you disagree with.

You seem to think it helps you win, but it actually makes you look like a

real idiot.

"Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution."

The ACLU did not try to stop such a proclamation bringing honor to Buddah.

But a Proclamation to God they had to stop.

Dharm you are one of the most dishonest person on these boards.


No, they said no such thing. You are simply lying.

Since all you have are lies, there is nothing further to refute.

Liar!!

Got caught again with a lie in your posts, didn't you?

THAT IS THE WAY OF ALL REPUBLICANS, THEY START WITH A LIE, AND THEN WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO CONVINCE ALL THEIR SHEEP THAT IT IS TRUE...

I have already stated that I can't find it, so I retract that statement.

Sorry.

I missed where you admitted that it was a false claim.

I am now waiting for you or Dharm, or Warrior, or Sedan to refute post # 1 in this thread.

Not much to refute.

Your claim that --""The ACLU says it is okay for government to honor Buddah, but it is not okay for government to honor God""-- is farcical.

You are taking ONE isolated instance where the ACLU opined that -"some proclamations may not violate the Constitution"-, and trying to turn it into a blanket indictment of the ACLU and presenting it as the default position of the ACLU that it is ""okay for government to honor Buddah, but not okay for government to honor God"".

A childish argument, and one that does not hold water. The ACLU has come out fighting FOR the rights of the Christian side in various circumstances....and they have done it often.

What you seem too ignorant to understand is that the ACLU never looks at which side is doing something and tries to legislate against a particular side on an issue because of any partisanship that you imagine them having; they unfailingly come down on the side whose protections under the Bill of Rights are being violated........no matter WHO or WHAT form that side may take and may come down on politically; be they anything from Christian fundamentalists to Hitler worshipping Nazis.

A childish argument, and one that does not hold water. The ACLU has come out fighting FOR the rights of the Christian side in various circumstances....and they have done it often.


Well Said.

Nothing else need be said on this topic.

Come on man!! You know when you take almost any group of people and say all.................... it is almost never true.

All Republicans start with a lie. People like you will never be taken seriously.


Got caught again with a lie in your posts, didn't you?

THAT IS THE WAY OF ALL REPUBLICANS, THEY START WITH A LIE, AND THEN WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO CONVINCE ALL THEIR SHEEP THAT IT IS TRUE...

Got caught again with a lie in your posts, didn't you?

THAT IS THE WAY OF ALL REPUBLICANS, THEY START WITH A LIE, AND THEN WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO CONVINCE ALL THEIR SHEEP THAT IT IS TRUE...

Demonstrably Untrue.Just because Dimocrats and ALL Leftists
Porpoisely conflate the meaning of LIE to compliment their
malingering mendacity on a daily basis.Their sick with envy over POWER.
Bush NEVER Lied about the War or WMD.Bush does not gather
his own INTEL.Bush only transpired what INTEL was available.
If Bush Lied,then so did EVERY Senator who said exactly the same
thing.Whihc is virtually ALL Senators.That includes Biden,Durbiin,
Kennedy,Levin,Clinton,Dodd and even Snidely Whiplash,who will
bee the Dimocrat Nominee fer Pres.

My Theory :
Democrats LIE
Republicans Talk Turkey

My Theory :
Democrats LIE
Republicans Talk Turkey
My theory:
All politicians lie.
You're a partisan dumbass.