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Clover
05-02-2007, 02:08 AM
(these are transferred blog posts from other sites that I blog on so forgive if they aren't in good order but they all relate to each other specifically, just wanted to transfer them to this one when I found it, it looks really good, this site)


Viva La Juan Valdez.... good morning....
hey, this is weird.... I did some research.... little hobby of mine....
oh, forget it, you'd never believe it....
lets just say with Mormonism around, I found out that there are 9.7 million on the planet that are religiously Against Christianity.... Not Catholocism.... Christianity..... Catholocism isn't Christianity..... anymore than Mormonism is..... that's probably why the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, (#4 I believe), looks so much like a Cathedral.... after all, of course Mormonism would model itself after the one religion that was capable of pretty much controlling the entire "free" world.... which wasn't quite so free when you get right down to it.... hey, if it worked once right?.... and they got an angel too.... there in Salt Lake City at their temple.... a statue of the angel moroni.... funny how much Joeseph Smith and that angel remind me of (without doubt, of course)..... the old False Prophet of Revelation and the angel that gave him that revelation, which according to the Book of Revelations correspondes to Beliar.... an Evil Angel.... if that False Prophet, who was supposed to be the Second Beast of the Apocalypse was really going to decieve the Faithful and steal people away from God, then I suppose the only one on Earth that's really done that in spades to the tune of 9.7 million human beings on the planet would be the self-proclaimed Prophet.... Joeseph Smith with his guiding angel Moroni, aka. Beliar.... interesting, what's in a name? Beliar... Be Liar... be a liar.... live it... love it... believe your own shit... because if you don't no else one will either.... mormonism in a nutshell..... Moroni... call it macaroni.... sounds Italian... like the Catholic thing.... in Italy.... but its an American institution, more's the pity..... in the literature about the Antichrist (okay, yes, I'm a little strangely obsessed with the concept because I got mixed up in homegrown satanism once and the whole shebang kind of sucked for me so I wanted to know what things were really about, not just someones bullshit)..... it says that the False Prophet WAS the antichrist, if I remember correctly, but that might not be quite right I guess.... called Antichristus Mysticus....(From a scholars book called "Antichrist: two thousand years of the human fascination with evil".... its a good book on the market now and easy enough to find that concerns itself with the prophecies of the antichrist, a very good read)... that's religion there..... how all religion thinks in terms of converting the whole world and being the one true religion everyone everyone follows.... and Mormonism has 9.7 million now in less than two centuries since it came into being.... which is an exceptionally long time for a cult and exceptionally strong in a movement.... like a religious fifth column in society.... heaven help us if there's an insurrection with 9.7 million happy soldiers for the enemy out there..... I laugh a whole lot usually, just a great deal.... coffee makes me feel good and Im not sorry about that and I drink it like crazy.... Mormons hate coffee.... they can't be good.... smiles..... Starbucks is NOT evil dammit, greedy, maybe, (4 buks for a cup is steep, they should give it away)..... the mormon cult has been around for so damn long that it qualifies for the statement I found in the literature on the Antichrist which states that the Second Beast had a "singular longevity" in human culture......
kind of gives you the willies thinking about it.... and people say "Hey, mormons are good people and do no harm"..... I say well, its not their fault they couldn't help but believe such a potent and powerful enemy as the evil angel Beliar and his chosen avatar the False Prophet.... they're only human..... but nothing evil on earth calls itself evil, nothing.... otherwise, no one will follow it, period... even Hitler thought he was doing an imminently "good thing"..... he was insane but he believed he was right..... he didn't even believe he was lying or wrong.... mormons don't believe they're lying either.... because they've been decieved by the Antichrist himself.... it seems to me that the Best Deciever in existence could definitely be capable of such a thing..... that's my piece for this morning....
no lol...
tc, ttyl,

okeedokeethen....
and that's about All I know about the book of revelations...... mostly period....
except i think that the "burning mountain that falls into the sea" in there
is maybe possibly that asteroid I heard about in the news or on tv somewhere.....
they say its headed on a kinda-sorta path in space which could allow it to impact on earth....
IF it passes through certain "windows" in its trajectory of travel....
certain coordinates in space that line it up with earths orbital path around the sun....
spooky thought but the only figures of a timeframe even for the "if" that I've heard is that it'll be sometime around 2036 or so that it does that if it does at all.....
wry lol.... I'll probably already be dead by then.... at the rate I smoke anyway....
if I'm alive then that'll make me 67 years old.....
funny thing about the book of revelations and prophecy....
its just like the Torah bible codes..... you can't decipher it or interpret it until you have the information to compare it to in order to verify it..... and the only time you have that information is when its in process or already happened..... but mostly already happened.... no one ever finds out anything with either one unless its like that..... does a lot of good doesn't it? but at least it can a "faith affirmer".... lol... kind of a morbid one... but a faith affirmer nonetheless.....
the Jehovah Witnesses spend almost all of their time thinking about the book of revelations and trying to decipher and interpret it.... I firmly believe having perused their literature that they don't really know squat..... not even squat.... they really only "see" what they want to in the passages, that's all....
I've never really did a "full-bore" study of it.... I've just had some interest and a lot of it "seemed to me" like it does.....
everyone thinks about the book of revelations in terms of being a single "Judgement Day".... like god is going to come like Terminator and do everything at once.....
I believe the book of revelations is a prophetic chronicle of the entirety of time from the moment it was percieved by the "seer" Paul who had the vision or at least was given credit for having it anyway.... back then a lot of writing considered important was just given an important persons name as being the author to give it weight and believability.... but who's to say it wasn't Paul? doesn't really matter does it? anway.... the period of time from then to its conclusion.....
okay then,
I gotta get ready and get going...
tc, ttyl,


Well, I did some more snooping on mormonism....
you know anyone that squeaky cleans gotta be greasy somehow....
anyway..... it seemed to me that if Joey was Second Beast...
following Adolf of course.....
and the Book of Revelations says the Second Beasts power began after the Firsts ended...
you kno.... the grand hand off.... by the ocean? or out of the water anyway.... whatever....
well then.... I checked the Mormon Church membership growth rates....
before WWII ended.... they were in decline....
immediately afterwards
unprecedented growth with International Growth the theme for their entire operation....
they don't like caffeine do they? Don't they own Pepsi Cola?
Oh yeah... their priests had a revelation when they realized how much money was in soda pop....
I forgot....
for a minute there...
what are phenylketornurics anyway?
phenylalanine?
its in Coke too.....
nyeh.... who's to know?....
anyway.... Nasty Bastard did it again..... Devil....
Antichristus Mysticus follows Antichristus Maximus.....
confirmed....
and they still probably believe their own shit... livin it... lovin it.... etc.
tc, ttyl,


welll.... okay then so I'm not in a dead sleep.... more stuff....
does that make me Merlin?.... look out for Morgan Le Fey.....
Merlynn....
well we have the second beast figured out so now what's the other side?
The Four Beasts covered in Eyes before the Throne of God..... biblical, Revelations, symbolic....
Pauls Vision.....
An Eagle, A Lion, A Bull (calf?...Bull), A Man....
we have....
America, England, Spain, Australia/(?)......
all the Eyes are.........
the eyes of their Intelligence Agencies of all Kinds.... because eyes serve no Purpose if they do not connect the mind to outside world by observation.... nothing works well blind....
From High Up to Patrol Car.....
Very Real.....
We have....
a real potent enemy.... mystical in nature.... religious but ITS "body" is not guilty.... just decieved....
we have.....
terrorist attackes against the Great Satan by a very mystically minded enemy of the free world..... which destoyed the WTC.... Al Queda.... I watched that happen on television at work.... who thinks all free countries are the great satan....
We have....
catholic prophecy of the tetramorph....
the Four Beasts as Steed in Battle of the Church against the Enemies of God....
riden by Jesus Bride.... the "body" of good men and women of Christianity.....
We have a Second Beast (which could be called a very "great" satan in the Hebrew sense)
and a major mess.....
there.... now I'm going back to bed..... wish I really knew who the Man was.... but Australia always makes sense to me.....
so with freedom of religion I imagine if they are concerned about it, if they would be.... maybe they have it figured already?
then those are the powers that stand in the way of Beliars conquest....
and another nameless Beast which is due to aid the Second.....
Bin Laden?
The Beast from the Land? Bin Laden came from desert territory didn't he?
we have Nostradamus but I don't know much Nostradamus....
except that there's an Enemy or Adversary which will attack the "New City".....
and he wears a blue turban....
color is symbolic....
Blue.... in magickal, occult, mystical ideology refers to "Theurgy".....
theurgy is religious magick or mystical magick..... or merely the mystical and magickal mind of the superstitious kind of person that is very religious, as per psychology......
so Bin Laden wears a turban, is religious, is mystically minded....
the turban is fundementally religious headgear anyway.....
so the Beast from the Land would be Bin Laden....
where'd I put my "bin laden wanted dead/reward" flyers?
lol... oh yeah... those are in the rest of the things in my study.....
it was a good joke that didn't take more than a week to come over the internet.... with his picture and everything..... I liked it so much I made copies and have a small stack of them....
smiles,
tc, ttyl

Freethinker
05-02-2007, 12:26 PM
Joseph Smith with his guiding angel Moroni, aka. Beliar.... Interesting, what's in a name? Beliar... Be Liar... be a liar....

I know what you mean.

I have always found it interesting that his angel's name was "Moroni".

Just that one extra letter...........LOL.

batgirl
05-10-2007, 08:56 PM
lol,Also, I know Mormons use to believe that dead people can marry someone alive here.I don't know if they still do

500lbguerilla
05-11-2007, 02:31 AM
Dum ....dum dummmm, dum dum.

Frogger
05-11-2007, 05:32 AM
I take exception with the first poster's contention that Roman Catholics are not Christians. All that is necessary to be a Christian is a belief in the Triune God and Roman Catholics certainly believe that. The Roman Catholic Church, like the various Orthodox Churches and the Copts is a heirarchal church with authority over church matter residing in one individual. While that is different from Protestant church bodies it makes them no less Christian.

Vilepagan
05-11-2007, 06:09 AM
I take exception with the first poster's contention that Roman Catholics are not Christians. All that is necessary to be a Christian is a belief in the Triune God and Roman Catholics certainly believe that.

Does that mean Unitarians aren't Christians?

Evakian
05-11-2007, 06:14 AM
Does that mean Unitarians aren't Christians?
Yes. They don't believe in Jesus as a deity.

Frogger
05-11-2007, 06:22 AM
"Unitarianism is the belief in the oneness of God opposed to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one God). Unitarians believe in the moral authority, but not the divinity, of Jesus."

Unitarians are no more Christian than you are.

Vilepagan
05-11-2007, 06:23 AM
Yes. They don't believe in Jesus as a deity.

Still, some of them refer to themselves as Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Christianity

Frogger
05-11-2007, 06:28 AM
I can refer to myself as Italian. That doesn't make it so.

Vilepagan
05-11-2007, 06:41 AM
I can refer to myself as Italian. That doesn't make it so.

I see, so your religious status was something decided at birth? Come now Frogger, we're talking about beliefs here, not matters of "fact". I can accept that your personal definition of "Christian" is narrower than another's, but I don't accept that you are the final arbiter of what constitutes a Christian.

Vilepagan
05-11-2007, 06:42 AM
"Unitarianism is the belief in the oneness of God opposed to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one God). Unitarians believe in the moral authority, but not the divinity, of Jesus."

Unitarians are no more Christian than you are.

I would say they are, since I don't even believe in Jesus' moral authority. :)

Frogger
05-11-2007, 07:06 AM
Vilepagan,

I am no more the arbiter of what the definition of Christian is than I am of what concrete is. There are certain conditions that must be met in order to be a Christian, one of which is a belief in the divinity of Jesus as the Christ. This is not something I came up with on my own. It is the definition of being a Christian.

You seem to be saying that if I call myself Italian I am Italian even if I do not meet the requirements of being Italian. To your way of thinking saying something is so translates into that something being so.

I am surprised that you are unable to grasp a concept as simple as what it is that makes a person a Christian. It is not thinking Jesus was a nice guy. It is not acting like a good person. It is not having parents who were Christian.

It is believing in the Triune God and the divinity of Jesus as The Christ. Neither Unitarians nor Mormons are Christians.

Blibblob
05-11-2007, 11:28 AM
I only partially agree with frogger. Christianity by definition requires the acceptance of Jesus as divine, if not then both Islam and sects of Judaism are really Christianity in disguise.
However belief in the triune God is not a definition of Christianity, it's basically the definition of Catholism, which I guess is the definition of Christianity if you're like my grandmother. The triune God is merely dogma and a single interpretation that can be loosely supported by the bible, but not directly stated or implied in it, and it's really where Christianity splits off of monotheism. Christians are just those who believe in the divinity of Jesus and all other requirements are requirements of their individual sects.

batgirl
05-15-2007, 11:51 AM
Does that mean Unitarians aren't Christians?
They aren't cause they don't believe in any force that opposes the devil.If you don't believe in the devil, why observe Easter and why practice communiun once a year.My sister is a unitarian.She is a homosexual.And they talk about finding the light in you.And bringing that power out.They believe Christ is just a good teacher.