my hobby is Bible contradictions.


The Crucifixion Contradictions

According to Matthew (27:35 to 27:38)(27:45 to 27:54) Christ is Crucified, the Centurions cast lots over his garments which Matthew claims fulfills a prophecy (Psalms 22:12 (Psalms 22:11 to 22) (Joshua 12:4) (Deut 3:1) (Num 21:33) clearly shows that the casting of lots was not a prophecy. That from the sixth hour to the ninth hour there was darkness. Christ calls out, My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me, which makes no since if Christ was God in physical form, and is a direct copy from (Psalms 22:1) Christ did not say this, David did. And Christ dies soon after.
At his death the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom, there was an earth quake and rocks were broken, graves were opened and dead saints arose and appeared to many in Jerusalem. A Centurion watching all of these miracles says, Truly this was the Son of God.

According to John (19:18 to 19:24) (19:28 to 19:37) Christ is Crucified, the Centurions cast lots over Christ’s clothing which is once again claimed to full fill a prophecy. Christ knowing that all things were accomplished, said It is finished then bowed his head and died. John is the only apostle that mentions anything about broken legs or a spear in the side. Psalms 34:20 says He keepeth all of his bones: not one of them is broken, this is not a prophecy but if it was then Psalms 34:21 which says, Evil shall slay the wicked would also have to be a prophecy which would mean that Christ was wicked. Which of course he is not.

As for "They shall look on him whom they pierced" is contained in Zech 12:8 to 12:12. This Prophecy cannot be full filled until after the House of David becomes as God, and God himself will destroy all nations that come against Israel. I do not believe that has happened yet so the prophecy is still unfulfilled and please note, that John says this was simply an every day crucifixion no miracles, no walking dead, no darkness, no earth quakes, no vale ripping just a normal every day execution.

Weird hobby.

Well when I was brought into the Faith and actually started reading the Bible I soon realized that it could not be the infallible truth of God. So while going through it I noted the problems in it. Even wrote a book on it.

Just out of curiosity, how were you "brought into the faith"?

It was a spiritual event. I was going through some very bad times. Was near total mental and emotional burn out. Never really had much time for the Bible God and did not consider the God of the Bible to be anything less then a Monster. One day I was watching a friend who's Chior was perfoming at the A&M church in Los Angeles.

Some Time during the concert I did a complete 180. Changed my life. I tried becoming a bible thumper but the more I learned the more I knew that the Bible/God was not the God who had touched my soul that day. That is about it.

How long were you involved in "bible thumping". A few weeks...years...what?

I would say maybe a year before the contradictions and inconsitacies in the bible and church doctrine became to overwhelming to ignore. It was not until the reelection of Bush the Son that I completely broke from Christianity

"Bush the Son" Ha, ha!

Let's hope we're not going to have to suffer through "Bush the Holy Spririt" too :)

tiredbeyondbeli, I might agree with you about the inconsistencies, but I have to say I find it a little odd that your experience would have driven you to be on a mission to expose bible inconsistencies. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. I just have a gut feeling that the dynamics at work here are more than meets the eye.

sandman

I love Our Father beyound all others. But the Father I love is not in the bible. While I believe Jesus was a Holy Man of God, he was just that a Man. I challenge the bible because for to long Christianity has been unchallenged. They do things in the name of God and Jesus, that neither would want done in their names.

So long as any religion claims divine right to impose their beliefs upon people who do not hold their beleifs, then that religion should be challenged.

It was not until the reelection of Bush the Son that I completely broke from Christianity

What a coincindence! I relinquished my belief in Santa Claus and limited my intake of dairy products at that very same time!

It wasn't the condradictions that lead me away from the bible. It was all the christians who didn't follow it and yet telling me I as the sinner. Being cherry picked for thier own agendas. Then I got to thinking..what does god have to do with an emotion like jealousy? I mean a god already owns everything and he give men free will but then gets pisst if we do not worship him? Why does god have to divide men at the tower of babble by seperating thier languages? What would he have to fear of us being united and actually building a tower to heaven ect. Things just were not adding up.

oldphart

I thought dairy products were good for you. Bush is an Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian. When he was reelected I gave up any attempt to be a Christian.

Warrior

If you read the tower of bable story it is interesting. Someone told them that if they did not build the tower and have a name that God would punish them. They build the tower because they thought it was Gods will. God punished them for it.

By scattering the people accross the face of the earth and changing the one language to many. God guarenteed man kind would suffer war, strife and death. And God did this not for sin. He did it because as long as man was united nothing was beyond their abilities.

Sounds just like the kinda God Hitler or Stalin would have loved.

Babel

It is the tower of freaking Babel.

Sheesh.

Bush is an Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian. When he was reelected I gave up any attempt to be a Christian.

And Hitler was a Lutheran (or at least professed to be), but I don't judge all Protestants based on him. I just find it hard to believe that one would "lose" his/her "faith" based on the election of a public official.

I thought Hitler was Catholic?

Babel

It is the tower of freaking Babel.

Sheesh.

LOL.:)

Babel, Babel, Babel.

Sheesh are your happy now LOL. Damn those spell police are everywhere.

Warrior

If you read the tower of bable story it is interesting. Someone told them that if they did not build the tower and have a name that God would punish them. They build the tower because they thought it was Gods will. God punished them for it.

By scattering the people accross the face of the earth and changing the one language to many. God guarenteed man kind would suffer war, strife and death. And God did this not for sin. He did it because as long as man was united nothing was beyond their abilities.

Sounds just like the kinda God Hitler or Stalin would have loved.

It seems to me that god does not want man to know the truth? Maybe because they wouldn't be so apt to follow him if they knew.

old Phart

I did not lose my beleif in God. I simply lost my Faith in Christianity big difference there. Bush is not what made me question Chrisitanity it was the Bible that made me question it. Bush simply put the nails in the coffine. The Christians put bush in office the second time. They put him in office so that their religion could be imposed upon others. Christianity is no religon that I would want any part of.

Understood and fair enough.

But I smell an ulterior motive at work here.

oldphart

Nothing I can do about that.

old Phart

I did not lose my beleif in God. I simply lost my Faith in Christianity big difference there. Bush is not what made me question Chrisitanity it was the Bible that made me question it. Bush simply put the nails in the coffine. The Christians put bush in office the second time. They put him in office so that their religion could be imposed upon others. Christianity is no religon that I would want any part of.
Jimmy Carter had much the same effect on me. I began to see the gross hypocrisy of the man.

Cool Hobby!!! And there is a lot of them.

Cool Hobby!!! And there is a lot of them.

Yes there certainly are a lot of hobbies :)

The Sepulchre Stories

Proven Invalid

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Mt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Mt 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: Mt 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. Mt 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. Mt 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. Mt 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

In Matthew two Mary’s go to the Sepulchre. There is a great earthquake caused by an Angel of the Lord descending from heaven who rolled the cover stone away from the sepulchre door and set on it. The Keepers became as dead men frozen in place.

Mark 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? Mr 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. Mr 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. Mr 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. Mr 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

In Mark when they got to the Sepulchre the Stone was already moved. And upon entering the Sepulchre saw a young man sitting on the right side.

Luke 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. Lu 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. Lu 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: Lu 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? Lu 24:6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Lu 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

In Luke they also found the Stone already moved. They entered into the Empty Sepulchre. And two men appeared besides them.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. Jo 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. Jo 20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. Jo 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

John 20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Jo 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, Jo 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Jo 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

In John Mary Magdalene is by herself. She sees the Stone moved but does not enter into the Sepulchre and runs to tell peter and john about it. Peter and John go to the Sepulchre and find it empty or bodies or people.

John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. Jo 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home. Jo. 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, Jo 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Mark and Luke both say that Jesus had told the apostles that he would arise. In John, John says that the Apostles did not know before hand.

John 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. Jo 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jo 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener

I am sorry folks this is not Rocket Science that we are dealing with here. This is simple straight forward contradictions.

There may be a few here on allforums that will debate with you on biblical contradictions (Stark is probably the only one I can think of), but I doubt that you are going to "prove" anything to anyone here. Of course, if that is what makes your "world spin" then by all means go for it.

Might I suggest also the following site on contradictions in the Quran:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

Or, on a lighter note, some of the contradictions in Scientology:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/tory-contradictions.htm

Old Phart

I do not do this to Prove my Point or Beliefs, I do it to Challenge the Points and Beliefs of Christians. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalist are attempting to impose their beleifs upon those who do not share those beliefs. I believe it is my Job to challenge that. And to challenge them I must Challenge the Foundation on which their beleifs are founded and that would be the Bible.

Yea and unfortunately it is what makes my (Wheels Spin).

As for the Koran or Scientoligists. When they begin attempting to enforce their beleifs through Secular Law I might pay attention to their Holy Writtings and the Contradictions contained in them. But for the Moment in America it is the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists who are attempting this and it is they that I must challenge.

OK, I'll bite.

What law(s) is/are being imposed by the fundamentalist Christians? (Other than some of the "local yokel" laws that get stupidly passed and eventually struck down by a higher court.)

FYI - I am not a fundamentalist Christian even though I live in the Bible belt.

There may be a few here on allforums that will debate with you on biblical contradictions (Stark is probably the only one I can think of), but I doubt that you are going to "prove" anything to anyone here. Of course, if that is what makes your "world spin" then by all means go for it.

Might I suggest also the following site on contradictions in the Quran:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

Or, on a lighter note, some of the contradictions in Scientology:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/tory-contradictions.htm
I could site dozens of "contradictions" in the Buddhist canon, but I remain a Buddhist.

There is however a difference between Buddhism and the Semitic religions in that respect. Buddhists take their canon as being written by enlightened people, but this is not taken to imply that they were anything other than people.

As such their writings deserve honor and respect and are helpful but not if approached with the idea of "proving" things.

If Christians and Muslims would approach their canon similarly, they could avoid all the dancing and tumbling they have to do to sustain their assertion that the writings do not contradict themselves.

The Evangelicals and Fundamentalist are attempting to impose their beliefs upon those who do not share those beliefs.

To be sure this is true, but it doesn't worry me much, since they have always been this way and their efforts are counterproductive.

More, not less, evolution is taught. More, not fewer, businesses stay open on Sunday. More, not less, access to "sin" (such as porn or gambling or alcohol) is available.

The abortion debate is winding down into a reasonable compromise--in the end only late-term abortions are going to be restricted, and here the reasons are not so much religious and just reflective of general public reaction.

I have no doubt there are those who would reimpose religious law on society, but I see nothing on the horizon to indicate that in the U.S. they stand any chance of getting anywhere.

In fact, as a general rule I discount those who try to use the evangelical movements as a scare tactic as having their own agenda.

Buddhists take their canon as being written by enlightened people, but this is not taken to imply that they were anything other than people.

Not all Christians are Biblical literalists either, only the fundamental ones consider the Bible to be inerrant. Most "liberal" Christians consider the writings to be inspired but not dictated.

Of course, the occasional bumper sticker that reads: "IF IT AIN'T KING JAMES, IT AIN'T BIBLE" does make me wonder whether the car should also have a sticker that says "CLOSED DOORS AND CLOSED MINDS" :D

Not all Christians are Biblical literalists either, only the fundamental ones consider the Bible to be inerrant. Most "liberal" Christians consider the writings to be inspired but not dictated.

Of course, the occasional bumper sticker that reads: "IF IT AIN'T KING JAMES, IT AIN'T BIBLE" does make me wonder whether the car should also have a sticker that says "CLOSED DOORS AND CLOSED MINDS" :D
It is interesting that I get sutras quoted to me by Western Buddhists the way a Christian quotes the Bible, but not by Asian Buddhists. That is to say, the Westerner always has some passage from some sutra or other available to "prove" his point.

Of course sutras are taken as actual teaching of the Buddha, so if one is to be a follower of the Buddha, one should listen to his words. Still, the Buddha was not always right about everything.

The behavior is called "quote mining" and is a form of propaganda--argument to prove a point rather than argument to discern truth. It is done all the time, and the Internet makes it easy.

In any large literature, passages from authority can be found to support almost any reasonable position. Therefore, by combing the literature for things that support one's position and ignoring or "interpreting" things that don't, one builds one's case.

It is parlor magic--very impressive if one does not know the trick.

Old phart you said.

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Originally Posted by OldPhart
Not all Christians are Biblical literalists either, only the fundamental ones consider the Bible to be inerrant. Most "liberal" Christians consider the writings to be inspired but not dictated.

Of course, the occasional bumper sticker that reads: "IF IT AIN'T KING JAMES, IT AIN'T BIBLE" does make me wonder whether the car should also have a sticker that says "CLOSED DOORS AND CLOSED MINDS"

So as line as the Bible is considered only Inspired Writtings then it should not be considered Gods Laws. If this is your beliefs and you do not believe that someone of one Faith has the right to dictate their Faiths to those who do not share those beliefs. Then I can not see anything wrong with your belifs.

As Long as the Bible is considered Gods Laws, and as long as the Bible is used to Justify Secular Laws to enforce it. Then the Bible should be challenged. Plain and simple and end of debate.

And what secular laws are you referring to?

I knew that the Bible/God was not the God who had touched my soul that day. That is about it.

Would you say whatever it was that touched your soul wasnt something that simply came from you yourself?

my hobby is Bible contradictions.


ROTFL.

Well, you'll never exhaust the possibilities of pursuing that pastime.

The gospel accounts alone could fill a book, in regards to how many contradictions there are.

The entire book is a hopeless mish-mash of contradictiory stories, admonitions, laws and taboos.

"You're saved by works!/You're saved only by faith!"

"Thou shall not kill./An eye for an eye."

"God is jealous and furious. He takes revenge on, his enemies."/God is love."

"God is seen./ God is not seen. No one has ever seen him."

"Abraham had two sons./Abraham had only one son."

"God prohibits killing./God orders killing."

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It's fucking endless how many diametrically opposed precepts or attributions there are in that tome of insanity.

Inviolable

I cannot prove whether or not God has touched my soul, or whether it was the burritos I had for dinner the night before. All I can say is that I accept that it was Our Father who touched my soul and restored it to me. If it was the Burritos then Our Father used them to convert me. LOL.

Old Phart

Fundamentalists and Evangelicals have been claiming that the US Laws are based upon the 10 commandments and Christian Laws. Prostitution, Homosexuality, Doing business on sunday's, Bushes Refusal to fund Stem Cell Research. I believe Virgina still has a law on the books that makes it a Capital Offence to work on Sunday. While it has not been enforced for more then a hundred years it is still on the books.

It might be easier to ask, What laws are not based on Christian Doctrine, Bush has been pushing for a Constitutional Amendment banning Gay Marriage, Many states have included bans into their Constitution. The are Locals area's where you cannot sell or buy alcohol on sundays. Or Pawn shops may not buy or sell on Sundays.

Abortion Laws are based on Christian Doctrine, Though Woe vs Wade fread Women from that Religious Dictate, There is now a chance of that being over turned by what is becoming a Evangelical Supreme Court.

Free Thinker

Actually I did write a book on the Contradictions and Inconsistancies of the Bible.

Inviolable

I cannot prove whether or not God has touched my soul, or whether it was the burritos I had for dinner the night before. All I can say is that I accept that it was Our Father who touched my soul and restored it to me. If it was the Burritos then Our Father used them to convert me. LOL.


I'm not asking for proof, if you look under my name it says, "Born Again" so I'm a take it has a hear it kind of guy... For the most part...

I'm asking, is the feelling you had, something you yourself invoked or is it something that you couldnt possibly invoke and it came from some place else, or a little of both and if it was both was it something that you couldnt have done alone or do you think it was something you could have done alone but just happened in the right place and the right time.

I'm really rather asking for a description of how. Could you get it on your own and so on. You got the feelling and is it necesary to have the feelling to be who you are now opposed to who you were before the feelling, if it did indeed change you.

Inviolable

I was making a responce that was turning into a testamony. and decided it was not worth it. To answer your question. No Our Father touched my soul and restored it to me. This is nothing that I could have felt or done on my own.

tiredbeyondbeli,

Are you sure you've written a book? I've never seen so many misspellings and such poor grammar. You have probably misspelled 20 words in your posts and for some reason you have periods everywhere...

Maybe English isn't your first language, I don't know. You confuse me tiredbeyond, very much so.

Inviolable

I was making a responce that was turning into a testamony. and decided it was not worth it. To answer your question. No Our Father touched my soul and restored it to me. This is nothing that I could have felt or done on my own.


So, I have to ask now. If it wasnt something you could do alone, would you say that "Father" the entity that gave you the feelling is now guiding you down a path that will keep you near him? In other words, but asking the same question. Is Father working to keep you near him? and could you stay near him by yourself or do you need his help constantly?

tiredbeyondbeli,

Are you sure you've written a book? I've never seen so many misspellings and such poor grammar. You have probably misspelled 20 words in your posts and for some reason you have periods everywhere...

Maybe English isn't your first language, I don't know. You confuse me tiredbeyond, very much so.

Stephen King, one of America's prolific authors, is known by his editors for his numerous spelling and grammerical mistakes in his manuscripts.

That is what editors are for. :)

Mr. Cooper

Oh God the Spell Police, Run everyone Run. First off yes my spelling sucks. Second I used spell check and grammer check and had someone proof read my book before publishing it. Happy Now. English is my birth language. If spelling and Grammer errors cause you mental or emotional discomfort you might think about staying out of the public threads. About 80% of my book are simply C/P from the King James Bible.

So If you are done having a Hissy fit over my spelling and grammer do you actually want to address the subject or simply go pout in the corner like a good little boy.

Inviolable

Yep God protects me from me. Without him I would have been dead long ago. It is an ongoing if at times Migrain producing relationship.

Mr. Cooper

Oh God the Spell Police, Run everyone Run. First off yes my spelling sucks. Second I used spell check and grammer check and had someone proof read my book before publishing it. Happy Now. English is my birth language. If spelling and Grammer errors cause you mental or emotional discomfort you might think about staying out of the public threads. About 80% of my book are simply C/P from the King James Bible.

So If you are done having a Hissy fit over my spelling and grammer do you actually want to address the subject or simply go pout in the corner like a good little boy.


welcome to the club. Believe me many people mispell things on this forum but the only people who get targeted is the people they don't agree with.

My spelling sucks as well.

Stephen King, one of America's prolific authors, is known by his editors for his numerous spelling and grammerical mistakes in his manuscripts.

That is what editors are for. :)

I totally agree. I notice people get on your spelling when they try to discredit you like spelling has anything to do with logic and concepts?

Poor spelling usually indicates not a thoughtless response, but a rushed one. Take time to look over your mistakes. Also, it allows you some time to cool down and avoid rash posts which you'll regret later. The beauty of the internet is that it allows you time to plan out your thoughts. Take advantage of it.

Inviolable

Yep God protects me from me. Without him I would have been dead long ago. It is an ongoing if at times Migrain producing relationship.

Thank you tiredbeyondbeli for being patient with me and answering all of my questions, I'm getting to my point soon I promise. :lolhit:

I hope I havent been to much of a bother.

Last question before I get to the point. If Our Father is guiding you down a path, would he take action if you falterted from that path?

Inviolable

Yes he corrects me and protects me from myself.

Inviolable

Yes he corrects me and protects me from myself.

So its not possible to reach Heaven on your own?

Inviolable

Spiritual Life comes from God. Regardless of the Name, Image, Persona by which he is called. All people with a Spiritual Life return to the Father. Our Father helps with the physical life. That is the bennifitt of having a relationship with Him, Her, It. But everyone with a Soul goes home to the Father regardless of beliefs, or lack of beliefs or sins accounted to them by man made religions.

Inviolable

Spiritual Life comes from God. Regardless of the Name, Image, Persona by which he is called. All people with a Spiritual Life return to the Father. Our Father helps with the physical life. That is the bennifitt of having a relationship with Him, Her, It. But everyone with a Soul goes home to the Father regardless of beliefs, or lack of beliefs or sins accounted to them by man made religions.


So anyone, doesnt matter who or even if they know "Father" they get to the Spiritual Life?

Inviolable

Anyone with a Soul goes home to Our Father, regardless. There are no conditions, Laws, requirements, punishments (baring Life Review). You die you go on to the spiritual Realm. What happens there is something else. But there is no damnation or eternal suffering.

Wow.......listening to two superstitionists arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is faaaaaaaaascinating.

Free Thinker

But atleast neither of us as advocated that our beliefs are anything more then simply personal beliefs. While I believe in (Our Father) I believe that for the most part He/She/It stays clear of the affairs of mankind. And until He/She/It provides proof of His/Her/It's existance then He/She/It has little to say in regards to the day to day affairs of Man.

So far I have not read Inviolable advocating that his/her beliefs are the only beliefs. Simply his/her beliefs, and as long as this is so, I have no problems discussing Just how many Angles can dance on the head of a pin, with him/her. Personal/Individual beliefs have never been the problem. The problem has always been in the Fanatics advocating that their beliefs are the only true and valid beliefs while having no evidence what so ever to support it.

Poor spelling usually indicates not a thoughtless response, but a rushed one. Take time to look over your mistakes. Also, it allows you some time to cool down and avoid rash posts which you'll regret later. The beauty of the internet is that it allows you time to plan out your thoughts. Take advantage of it.

Yes I agree it is rushed some people like to write what exactly is on thier mind instead of filtering themselves. I do not want to come off as someone I am not and if I take the the time and analyse my writings and fix it and rewrite answers I am giving a response that other people want to hear not what is really on my mind. Your first immediate response is usually the most honest.

I am not organized to try and come off as organized would be out of character for me. I know many try to be something they are not on the net to make themselves look better than what they are but I am not this way.

I have accepted my flaws and that includes bad spelling.
The point of my posts are the concepts and the whole idea of what I post not the technicality of my spelling.

Ok I have a question about "father" Where the fuck is mother? I mean we are talking about family values and stuff and if god has a dick where he hell is the woman god? I mean the only purpose a penis is for procration? SO where the hell is his woman? If god has no need for procreation because he is eternal why does he have a gender? that doesn't make any since? Is he a fucking Ambeba and just being grow out of him or something?

I am tired of people claiming god is Male!!! it is arrogants of men to think a supreme being has to be male because male are somehow superior than woman.

Sickning..

Warrior

I do not care what form, What Name, What Image, What persona God's actual reality is. I call him Our Father. But it would not bother me in the least to call Him Our Mother. Our Father is simply the name/image/persona that I have been given to believe in.

God may be the great Goddess, God may be may things that we do not have the awarness to percieve. But God is God regardless of the name/image/persona that we call him/her/it by.

well this society has a big problem respecting womans authority. That is why they assume god is male because a female couldn't possibly run the universe and all that jazz.

God has no need for a gender I think people give it a gender to make it appaer more human like but god has no need of it.

well this society has a big problem respecting womans authority. That is why they assume god is male because a female couldn't possibly run the universe and all that jazz.

God has no need for a gender I think people give it a gender to make it appaer more human like but god has no need of it.


This sociaty has trouble respecting womans authority?

Are you in a posistion a male doesnt respect your authority? I find that something very easy to believe.

Um lets see woman make .75 cents to the dollar of a man.
CEOs in this company are 75 percent men
To this point 100 percent of presidents in this nation are men.
In fancy restaurants men waiters are prefered over woman because they are "more professional"
In the bible a woman is to obey the man.
In Islam,Most of christianity,Buddhism woman cannot obtain the spiritual highest leadership that man can.

Need more proof that womans authority is not respected in the culture.

Also 80 percent of porno is aimed at degrading woman and making us out to be horney sluts and that we actually want to have sex with men all the time. The other 20 percent market is for homosexuals.

Need I say more.

Hip hop and rap constantly calls woman bitches and ho and again expoits woman out to be sex objects. Yet they make millions and millions of dollars 85 percent of their buyers are MEN!!!

Yes this society totally respects the athority of woman..

And any time there is a strong woman like Ro and Hilary Clinton or anyone who dares call themselves a feminist and demanded to be treated equality they are called BUTCH, Bitch, on thier period or over emotional.

But a man leader can be the exact same thing and he is strong and independent.

Whatever!!

With Citizens Like Bush the son, who needs Satan.