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gmsisko1
04-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Gun Ownership - It's The
Law In Kennesaw
By Jonathan Hamilton and David Burch
Marietta Daily Journal Staff Writers

3-14-1


KENNESAW, Ga - Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.

In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."

"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.

"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."

Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.

"You can't argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country," said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.

The author of the ordinance, local attorney Fred Bentley Sr., attributes at least some of the decrease in crime to the bill.

"I am definitely in favor of what we did," he said. "It may not be totally responsible for the decrease, [but] it is a part."

Although he is pleased with the outcome, Bentley said he was originally opposed to drafting the law.

"I didn't think it could be written in a constitutional fashion," he said. "Obviously, it was constitutional, because the American Civil Liberties Union challenged it in court and we won."

Jones said the ACLU challenged the law in a federal court just after it was passed. In response, the city added a clause adding conscientious objectors to the list of those exempt.

Although the law is now being credited with a drop in crime, Jones said that was not the law's original purpose. He also pointed out that Kennesaw did not have a big problem with crime before.

"The crime rate wasn't that high to start with. It was 11 burglaries per 1,000 residents in 1981," he said.

According to the Kennesaw Police Department, the city's most recent crime statistics show 243 property crimes per 100,000 residents in 1998, or .243 per 1,000.

The city's crime rate continues to be far below other metro Atlanta city's with similar populations, like Decatur. In 1998, Decatur recorded 4,049 property crimes per 100,000 residents.

Jones said one motivation for the council passing the ordinance had to do with publicity.

"It was done in response to a law passed by Morton Grove, Ill., outlawing gun ownership within the city limits," he said. "Several council members were upset Morton Grove had gotten a lot of attention with their ordinance so they decided to top them.

"They figured the gun ownership ordinance would knock that city right off the front pages. They were right."

Jones said the ensuing publicity surrounding the law has given Kennesaw worldwide name recognition.

"I have been to Australia and Europe and when I tell people I am from Kennesaw they recognize the name as the place that requires everyone to own a gun," he said.

But Stephenson said the issue was not publicity-driven but issue-driven.

"We believed in the right of people to own guns," he said.

Jones said he has sold 550 copies of a 1994 book about the first-of-its-kind law, "The Law Heard 'Round the World."

He said the law in its final form has many loopholes, so not everyone is required to own a gun.

"There are many outs," he said. "When you look at it, almost anyone could fit into one of the exempted groups."

Kennesaw Police Chief Dwaine Wilson said no one has ever been prosecuted under the ordinance.

Among those exempt are residents "who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine." Others exempt include the physically and mentally disabled, paupers and those convicted of a felony.

The law contains no clause addressing punishment for violating the law. If convicted, City Clerk Diane Coker said punishment would be determined by the general penalty clause of the Kennesaw Code Ordinance - probably a fine of about $100.

Jones said the unusual law has not deterred anyone from moving to Kennesaw.

"Our population has increased just like everyone's in Georgia in the past 20 years," he said. "The law really hasn't done any harm to the city's growth."

The city's population in 1998 was recorded at 14,493 - a sharp increase over the 8,936 residents recorded in the 1990 census.

Cobb Chamber of Commerce president Bill Cooper said odd laws are typically not counted as strike against a city when a business is looking to relocate.

"These laws don't have laws don't have an impact on a company's decision to move to Cobb County," Cooper said.

"Many communities have strange laws that are out of date. Businesses look at many factors when relocating, such as quality of life, education, infrastructure and available workforce."

Bentley said the law actually may have helped business development.

"Kennesaw is home to more manufacturing businesses than any other Cobb city," he said. "Companies have said they want to be located in conservative areas."

And Kennesaw isn't the only city in Cobb with an unusual law on the books.

According to Jeff Koon, who runs a Web site specializing in funny laws, Dumblaws.com, Acworth has a ordinance requiring residents to own a rake.

In Marietta, it is illegal to spit from a car or a bus, but perfectly legal to spit from a truck.

http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

fluffernutter
04-25-2007, 11:42 AM
Here are the actual numbers (from Sociology & Social Research v74:1 p51)

Kennesaw Burglaries 1976-1986
76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 48 85 86
41 21 22 35 35 54 35 35 29 32 70

In 1982, there were 35 burglaries in Kennesaw. In 1983, after passing their mandatory gun ownership law, there were 35 burglaries in Kennesaw. In 1986, there were 70.

Here are some additional facts: After guns were mandated in Kennesaw, a gun was sold at a gun show there and was used to shoot New York City Police Officer Tanagiot Benekos in 1998. At least five other guns purchased at Kennesaw gun shows have been recovered in New York City crimes, including a murder and an attempted murder.

gmsisko1
04-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Don't you think the population has risen?

More facts for you.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/crime_rate_plummets.htm


* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.38
38 Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March - October.)


http://www.gunowners.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/home/crfields/gunowners-www?query=Kennesaw&errors=0&age=&maxfiles=50&maxlines=30&maxchars=10000&cache=yes








Here are the actual numbers (from Sociology & Social Research v74:1 p51)

Kennesaw Burglaries 1976-1986
76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 48 85 86
41 21 22 35 35 54 35 35 29 32 70

In 1982, there were 35 burglaries in Kennesaw. In 1983, after passing their mandatory gun ownership law, there were 35 burglaries in Kennesaw. In 1986, there were 70.

Here are some additional facts: After guns were mandated in Kennesaw, a gun was sold at a gun show there and was used to shoot New York City Police Officer Tanagiot Benekos in 1998. At least five other guns purchased at Kennesaw gun shows have been recovered in New York City crimes, including a murder and an attempted murder.

gmsisko1
04-25-2007, 11:56 AM
Self-defense
A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict
* Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals over 2.4 million times every year -- or 6,575 times a day. (1) This means that each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. (2)

* Of the 2.4 million self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse. (3)

* Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1527-606). (4)

* Of the 2.4 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker. (5)

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. (6) Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."

B. Police cannot protect -- and are not required to protect -- every individual
* The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. D.C. the court stated "courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community." (7)

* Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only about 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities. Smith was asked why so many citizens in Dade County were buying guns and he said, "They damn well better, they've got to protect themselves." (8)

http://www.gunowners.org/fs9504.htm

geepers
04-25-2007, 12:10 PM
If the threat of someone else having a gun in the event that a crime is going to be committed was present, then that would be a natural deterrent. Like when robberies occur at Kwik-E-Mart and the attendant behind the counter pulls out his Glock and caps his ass.
I posted this in the other gun thread, but it fits here too.

Frogger
04-25-2007, 01:15 PM
I have to think that criminals knowing there is a property owner with a loaded gun waiting for him to break into that house has to keep burglaries down. I am all in favor of an armed populace.

Phyrex
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
Man, havent I been saying give everyone a gun?

dharmabum
04-25-2007, 09:38 PM
The government should just issue an M-16 to every American.

Napsterbater
04-25-2007, 09:44 PM
Pfft. Comparing Kennesaw to Decatur, get real. Decatur's smack dab in the middle of the eastern side of Atlanta inside the 285 perimeter, and far more urbanized. Kennesaw would hardly be on the map if it weren't for the university there.

Darth Be'lal
04-25-2007, 09:56 PM
This is hardly new. There have been laws REQUIRING people carry guns during colonial times. The way I look at it, people who do own a firearm are taking the responsibility to defend THEMSELVES, this was the mentality of people back then, being required to take responsibility for their own safety. Maybe it's still relevant today.

Phyrex
04-25-2007, 10:36 PM
Dharma, its "Everytime you masturbate God kills a kitten." Get it right.

And maybe not M-16's, but a handgun of some sort. An M9 would probably do nicely.

Jester
04-25-2007, 10:43 PM
Man, havent I been saying give everyone a gun?
There are WAY too many people in this country that I absolutely would not trust with a gun for me to agree with that.

Napsterbater
04-25-2007, 10:44 PM
Handguns, Phyrex? That's just insane.

TurdFerguson
04-25-2007, 10:54 PM
Ok. Wait a minute...a law that requires all residents to own a gun!?!? Damn!! I guess I'm on Thislin's, Freethinker's, and fluffer's side this time!

*Puts gun to head*

mikezila
04-25-2007, 10:56 PM
There are WAY too many people in this country that I absolutely would not trust with a gun for me to agree with that.
c'mon! those ppl will kill each other inside of a month!:thumbs:

Phyrex
04-25-2007, 11:01 PM
lol

Freethinker
04-26-2007, 12:55 AM
Pfft. Comparing Kennesaw to Decatur, get real. Decatur's smack dab in the middle of the eastern side of Atlanta inside the 285 perimeter, and far more urbanized.

What is even more farcical about the story is that ------- ""Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners Foundation). Other criminologists dispute the 89% figure, using the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting data, and find instead a small, statistically insignificant increase in burglaries after the law was passed (McDowall, Wiersema and Loftin, 1989; McDowall, Lizotte and Wiersema, 1991).""________Wikipedia

fluffernutter
04-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Kennesaw is roughly the size of Hooterville.