ILLUSTRATING THE PLIGHT OF THE POOR

We learn today that Ted Kulongoski, the governor of Oregon, is going to live on food stamps for a week in order to illustrate the plight of the poor.

Wow! What a great idea! If the governor would permit me, I would like to suggest how he can enhance his illustration of the plight of the poor during this week on food stamps:

1. Adopt -- just for the week -- a few children you cannot afford to raise.

2. Completely abandon your work ethic for the week.

3. If you do have a job, show up late, leave early and don't hit a lick at a snake while you're there.

4. Smoke cigarettes. After all, a higher percentage of poor people smoke than rich people.

5. Become uneducated.

6. Buy lottery tickets.

There ... that ought to go a long way toward your "illustrating the plight of the poor" stunt.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22oregon.html



By: Boortz

There are only three things one has to do to keep from being poor; finish school, not have or father a child out of wedlock, get and keep a job.

If you follow the three above rules you may not become rich but you won't be poor.

Ok so what do we do about the people who are not smart enough to go to college? Hmm not everyone has the brains to get a decent education. Many men and woman have children our of wedlock but they are always a couple. Wedlock has nothing to do with it. What a fucking joke. All my kids were born in wedlock when we divorced I ended up on welfare. Keep a job...look when many people who are poor suffere from depression and other mental health issues they can't keep jobs.
Many poor people show up at thier jobs on time and never leave early. I have never heard anything more generalized about the poor and I was slammed for generalizing christians for not having a single original thought in their brain. I think this goes right along that line.
As for having children you can't afford talk to the Catholics and the Mormon sect that have 100s of babies because they believe that not having children when having sex is a sin. Many of these people are on welfare and they are married.
I have never seen such ignorance in my entire life!! and such sterotyping of the poor.
I think it is great this person is living like the poor. I mean that takes guts. I cannot wait till he goes to the check out with the EBT card and foodstamps and see how people discriminate against you.

Here is the reason for poverty!!
1. they are not smart enough to get an education
2. they are smart enough but don't think they are(low self-esteem and confidence)
3. They do not want to get 40,000 dollars in debt to get a decent job and then lose it to china
4.Can't keep a job due to lack of social skills and mental illness.

and for your infomation and person in this country has thre "RIGHT" to reproduce whether poor or not!! You cannot take that right away.

Hopefully the governor will learn that he did just fine on food stamps, although everyone knows that this won't even come close to illustrating what it's like. Reminds me of the college kids that sleep in a box on a warm night to pretend that they know what it's like to be homeless.

He needs to move into a public assistance apartement and second class furniture..no car, has to take public transit, no cell phone, no cable and no computer most poor people cannot afford a computer well maybe a pentium 2 or something and shitty health care when something goes wrong.

I give him a week of this before he starts hitting the bottle.

oh and no lawyers to fill out the medicaid and welfare paperwork.

I agree that SOME people DO take adavantage of the system, however NOT all poor people are poor because of laziness or lack of education.

Adopt -- just for the week -- a few children you cannot afford to raise.

The elderly poor do not have children to support and still cannot make ends meet.

Completely abandon your work ethic for the week.

You mean like the big wigs in many companies like Enron and many people in political office do when they misappropriately use taxpayer and investor dollars for their own personal needs?

If you do have a job, show up late, leave early and don't hit a lick at a snake while you're there.

I assure you those people don't have that job very long. And if they do that's the bosses issue for not dealing with it. I know many people with good jobs in high positions who spend more time on lunch or the golf courses than they do working too. Wealthier people are just as lazy as poor people.

Smoke cigarettes. After all, a higher percentage of poor people smoke than rich people.


There are also ALOT more poor than there are Rich people, that allows for a higher percentage.

Become uneducated.


What about college aged people just starting out and attending college. A very expensive proposition, believe me. They are, not all mind you, poor but becoming more educated every day.

Buy lottery tickets.


Personally I hate the lottery. I dont know about where you live but New York State spends too much money coming up with, developing, advertising, and promoting new lottery games. I have seen many people who play this religiously spending massive amounts of money, thinking they are going to get rich and they're problems will be over. I think the lottery should be abolished and let's get the states back to the business of running the State. Don't blame the poor for the States greed.

I do love your posts most times, but I wish you had a better opinion of the poor. They are not all lazy, ignorant, uneducated individuals.

That is really good Genzo especailly about the work ethic of the rich. I mean my work ethic would be down in the toilet too if I was working everyday at a job that paid minimum wage and coming home to only half my bill paid and no extra to have fun with working 40 hours a week for nothing while the CEO of the company is making millions.

and you need to really think about it before you bash people on minimus wage because if they all did get smart and mentally healthy you would have no one to make your fast food burgers, sale you clothes at Macy's or serve you at service dinning!!!

Respect those who you stand on for your livelyhood!!

Ok so what do we do about the people who are not smart enough to go to college? Hmm not everyone has the brains to get a decent education

Here is the reason for poverty!!
1. they are not smart enough to get an education
2. they are smart enough but don't think they are(low self-esteem and confidence)
3. They do not want to get 40,000 dollars in debt to get a decent job and then lose it to china
4.Can't keep a job due to lack of social skills and mental illness.

and for your infomation and person in this country has thre "RIGHT" to reproduce whether poor or not!! You cannot take that right away.

That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. People who are not smart enough to go to college??? Are you out of your mind? ANYBODY can go to school if they WANT to. The problem is people don't want to because they're lazy and would rather work a shit job now, instead of going to school. Schools are made in such a way that ANYBODY at all can attend a school, and get the education to further pursue their life.

Fuck that low-self esteem shit, if you have low self esteem you probably shouldn't do anything with your life. Waste it away on the streets with the rest of the poor. Fuck'em. If you're too fucked up to know that you're able to get an education, then fuck you, you shouldn't go to school. Stay home, and jack off.

I don't even think it's worth going into the 3rd point of your "Here's the reason for poverty"

Well done Drac, youll fit in just fine as an American, man mind thy self attitude.

That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. People who are not smart enough to go to college??? Are you out of your mind? ANYBODY can go to school if they WANT to. The problem is people don't want to because they're lazy and would rather work a shit job now, instead of going to school. Schools are made in such a way that ANYBODY at all can attend a school, and get the education to further pursue their life.

Fuck that low-self esteem shit, if you have low self esteem you probably shouldn't do anything with your life. Waste it away on the streets with the rest of the poor. Fuck'em. If you're too fucked up to know that you're able to get an education, then fuck you, you shouldn't go to school. Stay home, and jack off.

I don't even think it's worth going into the 3rd point of your "Here's the reason for poverty"

Ever heard of an IQ test and these SAT test... if you can go to college if you are dumb why do they have these tests?
Yes people are lazy this is why they work jobs that make you work hardest for the least amount of money. What kind of intelligents does that take to get screwed on a daily basis. That is not laziness!? that is lack of worth of self.
I didn't go to school for 10 years because I made such bad grade in high school I didn't think I was smart enough to get into college or actually make it. It was only after I took an IQ test and got a 130 which is above average that I realized that I was poorly educated not dumb and it was my self esteem and self image that I couldn't do that scared me away.
I worked minimum wage for years busting my ass and making nothing and was stuck in the cycle of poverty and I didn't get it!! I honestly didn't get it that I was being screwed on a daily basis.
My motto know is "work smart not hard"
I took baby steps to education first getting one of those two year degree and getting courage to go further now I am in a University to get a Batchelors degree in Business Administrtion and even with my emotional disability I am a 3.0 grade point average and climbing.
The poor can not see past the povety. They honestly do not get it.

You are a poor excuse for a human being to let them suffer so and to call them lazy.. yes working as MCdonald and busting your ass.. HAVE YOU EVER WORKED AT FAST FOOD!? I have worked at Wendy's,Taco Bell and Ponderosa and not only are you one your feet for 8 hours a day you are working horse. YOu do not stop making sandwiches and cleaning. The next 8 years I waitressed and that is even harder work because you have actually have a brain to work that position. I busted my ass on a daily basis. That is not lazy not even fucking close.
I never had enough to save money and still qualified for welfare at the end of the day I was in the negative. The only reason I could afford rent was because I lived in a trailer.
Now that I am on disability I have a chance to break out of the povery because I do not have to work I have time to concentrate on my education so when I do get out of disability I can break the cycle of poverty and get a real job and 100 buck says I do not have to work nearly as hard as when I was working for minimum wage.
Many many people do not have the chance I have not to mention the money to get 40,000 dollars in debt like I am.

Your just mad because I came up with a valid excuse for them. the poor are easy targets to blame your troubles on. Blame high taxes for but if you really look at the numbers the people really screwing you is the big corperations lining thier pockets with your taxes.

That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. People who are not smart enough to go to college??? Are you out of your mind? ANYBODY can go to school if they WANT to. The problem is people don't want to because they're lazy and would rather work a shit job now, instead of going to school. Schools are made in such a way that ANYBODY at all can attend a school, and get the education to further pursue their life.

Fuck that low-self esteem shit, if you have low self esteem you probably shouldn't do anything with your life. Waste it away on the streets with the rest of the poor. Fuck'em. If you're too fucked up to know that you're able to get an education, then fuck you, you shouldn't go to school. Stay home, and jack off.

I don't even think it's worth going into the 3rd point of your "Here's the reason for poverty"
Exactly right, Drac.

those who are agianst poverty are you christian? I mean seriously did Jesus talk like this about the poor and disabled? You can't call you a christian when you bash them like they are 2nd class citizens because christ would never do such a thing.

Exactly right, Drac.

Dumb does what dumb sees!

Here is the reason for poverty!!
1. they are not smart enough to get an education

Virtually everyone has the mental capacity to go to college.

2. they are smart enough but don't think they are(low self-esteem and confidence)

I think it has much more to do with a lack of a work ethic.

3. They do not want to get 40,000 dollars in debt to get a decent job and then lose it to china

Uhh, do you honestly believe people are becoming impoverished because they are worried they might lose their job?

4.Can't keep a job due to lack of social skills and mental illness.

If they don't like social situations, they should get a job that doesn't require many.

In my opinion, the main reason for poverty are people having kids too soon (either in high school or soon after) and simply cannot afford to go to college and support the child.

Ok so what do we do about the people who are not smart enough to go to college?

Who said it had toi be a college education. How about a high school education. Far too many of the poor quite high school because they had a job that allowed them to get a car and buy all the beer and Maryjane they wanted, along with a cool pair of threads and $100 sneakers. Then when they got older they suddenly found themselves with more responsibilities. They had to suddenly pay rent, buy their own food, get health insurance. The $250 a week that seemed like so much when they quit school in the tenth grade suddenly didn't seem like quite so much.

As for having a child out of wedlock, this is especially hard on the woman. Childrearing takes a lot of time, effort and money. When you have a child at sixteen, or even younger none of these are in great supply. What seemed like a good idea at the time is suddenly revealed as a horrible idea.


Not everyone has a high paying job that will allow them to take European vacations, join a country club, or drive a Maserati. That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about making enough money to not need food stamps. All that takes is getting a job and keeping it by coming to work on time, putting in an honest day's labor, not taking every Monday off. If you get an entry level job and work hard you will not stay entry level. You will change positions within the company and you will get raises. If you don't get to work on time, take too many days off, don't give a full day's work for a day's pay you will not only not get a pay raise, you stand a good chance of being fired.

The poor should be more like Alfred Noyes who contracted tuberculosis of the bones at age 12 and lost a leg to the disease.


Invictus

Alfred Noyes

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

absolute ignorance. Please provide links and research proving your claims that these people can actually make it through college let alone afford it?

90 percent of minimum wage jobs are service jobs. They have to work with people. They have no choice.

self worth and self confidence has nothing to do with work ethics. I had exellent work ethics while working at Taco Bell, Wendys and Steak N Shake. I showed up at work on time, did my work to the best of my ability and worked overtime but I did not think I could do better for myself.

As for having children too early I agree his is a problem. I totally agree with you that people get pregnant before they truly think about the reprecusion of it and men are way to eager to have sex but not stay with the woman when she gets pregnant and leaves the woman with the responsibility to raise the kid alone. Marriage does not solve this because you can just get divorce when men realize what kind of work it is to raise a kid.

I know you have difficulty writing but it seems you also have difficulty reading. Again, you are talking about going to college. I just said that I was not talking about getting a college degree but finishing high school.

Stop arguing points that you make and making believe they are one other people made.

The poor, other than those who are severely disabled, are poor because of choices they made. They chose to not complete school. They chose to get the immediate reward rather than saving for the future. They chose to take the easy way out.

There are some poor who are honestly poor because of circumstances beyond their control but they are very few and far between.

"Who said it had toi be a college education. How about a high school education. Far too many of the poor quite high school because they had a job that allowed them to get a car and buy all the beer and Maryjane they wanted, along with a cool pair of threads and $100 sneakers. Then when they got older they suddenly found themselves with more responsibilities. They had to suddenly pay rent, buy their own food, get health insurance. The $250 a week that seemed like so much when they quit school in the tenth grade suddenly didn't seem like quite so much."


The only way to get out of poverty in America is to go to college and make at least 35,000 dollars a year with health insurance. You cannot do this with a high school diplomia in most cases. You just can't.
As for having a child out of wedlock, this is especially hard on the woman. Childrearing takes a lot of time, effort and money. When you have a child at sixteen, or even younger none of these are in great supply. What seemed like a good idea at the time is suddenly revealed as a horrible idea.

All my childen were born in wedlock and we were still on welfare. My ex husbands minimum wage job did not pay enough to support a family of 3. We were out of povety when I was working but when I became disabled we fell below poverty level. In many cases both parents working minimum wage jobs still qualify for medicaid because they still do not get above poverty level.

Not everyone has a high paying job that will allow them to take European vacations, join a country club, or drive a Maserati. That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about making enough money to not need food stamps. All that takes is getting a job and keeping it by coming to work on time, putting in an honest day's labor, not taking every Monday off. If you get an entry level job and work hard you will not stay entry level. You will change positions within the company and you will get raises. If you don't get to work on time, take too many days off, don't give a full day's work for a day's pay you will not only not get a pay raise, you stand a good chance of being fired.

In seattle a 3 bedroom home cost 1,500a month in mortage a car cost 230 dollars a month insurance 150 a month and food cost 400 dollars a month. Please explain to me who working minimum wage job of 8 dollars an hour can afford to live here without qualify for welfare and help?
The poor should be more like Alfred Noyes who contracted tuberculosis of the bones at age 12 and lost a leg to the disease.

Yes just because someone had the courage and the self esteem to do this means everyone has those qaulites. As I said if all the poor got smart and educated you people wouldn't know what the hell to do with yourselves. There are not enough middle class jobs for everyone and no one would be serving you food or cleaning your clothes at cleaners or customer service in malls and Macy's.

You people need the poor so you can step on them in you daily lifes in the service industry.

I know you have difficulty writing but it seems you also have difficulty reading. Again, you are talking about going to college. I just said that I was not talking about getting a college degree but finishing high school.

Stop arguing points that you make and making believe they are one other people made.

The poor, other than those who are severely disabled, are poor because of choices they made. They chose to not complete school. They chose to get the immediate reward rather than saving for the future. They chose to take the easy way out.

There are some poor who are honestly poor because of circumstances beyond their control but they are very few and far between.


Do you have an education? Did you go to college? I bet the fuck you did! because otherwise you would not be a snobby republican looking down at someone who didn't finish High School. 80 percent of the people on welfare havea high school degree or an equivilant. College is the anwser and high school degree don't mean squat.

Oh yes they took the easy way out. Of course they are thinking when they drop out of school that they will get a great job and do great in life!!

Your ignorance on the subject is astonding.

Have you ever been poor? Ever lived in poverty?
Than how do you know what these people are thinking and thier motives.

:rolleyes:

The only way to get out of poverty in America is to go to college and make at least 35,000 dollars a year with health insurance. You cannot do this with a high school diplomia in most cases. You just can't.


This is simply not so. Carpenters, plumbers, bakers, many people who work with their hands make more than enough to support a family. Rather than going to college they learned a trade, be it barbering, painting, hairdressing, or what ever. They did not settle.


All my childen were born in wedlock and we were still on welfare. My ex husbands minimum wage job did not pay enough to support a family of 3. We were out of povety when I was working but when I became disabled we fell below poverty level. In many cases both parents working minimum wage jobs still qualify for medicaid because they still do not get above poverty level.

Once again you simply have not read what I wrote. I acknowledged that there are some people who are handicapped and who cannot work. I said these people deserve help. I have said the same thing in other threads but you are not one to ever let facts get in the way of a good rant and session of self pity.


In seattle a 3 bedroom home cost 1,500a month in mortage a car cost 230 dollars a month insurance 150 a month and food cost 400 dollars a month. Please explain to me who working minimum wage job of 8 dollars an hour can afford to live here without qualify for welfare and help?

That comes out to $21,560 a year, not a large paycheck. If a person works for minimum wage he/she will get $16,640 a year. The answer is to get an additional, part time job to make up the less than $5,000 a year difference. I worked two jobs for years while my wife was raising our children. Another solution would be to get a job and stick with it. The person would be making $8.00 an hour when he/she was younger and did not have children or need a three bedroom house. By the time at least three kids came along he/she would no longer be earning only $8.00 an hour.


Yes just because someone had the courage and the self esteem to do this means everyone has those qaulites. As I said if all the poor got smart and educated you people wouldn't know what the hell to do with yourselves. There are not enough middle class jobs for everyone and no one would be serving you food or cleaning your clothes at cleaners or customer service in malls and Macy's.

You people need the poor so you can step on them in you daily lifes in the service industry.

If the poor got smart and educated, and got and kept a job and didn't quit school I would be overjoyed. That would mean I wouldn't have to subsidize them. Do you really think people go around stepping on wait staff, dry cleaners and launderers, of customer service people at the mall? If you honestly believe that you are beyond helping. You are simply a bitter person wallowing in self pity.

Do you have an education? Did you go to college? I bet the fuck you did! because otherwise you would not be a snobby republican looking down at someone who didn't finish High School. 80 percent of the people on welfare havea high school degree or an equivilant. College is the anwser and high school degree don't mean squat.

It would be nice if you could post without all the ad hominems and curse words, but I guess that is too much to expect. Yes, I have an education. I joined the army so that I could get the money to get a college education. The poor could have done the same thing but first they would have had to have completed high school, something far too many of them do not do. High school by itself means very little but high school coupled with a good work ethic means a lot. A high school graduate who doesn't bother to get to work on time or to even get to work at all some days won't amount to a hill of beans. A person like Wally Amos will amount to much more than a hill of beans.

Oh yes they took the easy way out. Of course they are thinking when they drop out of school that they will get a great job and do great in life!!

It doesn't matter what they were thinking. The thing that matters is the fact that they dropped out before graduating. They thought of the immediate reward rather than the future.

Your ignorance on the subject is astonding.

Actually your ignorance of the subject is exceeded only by your nasty attitude and snottiness.

Have you ever been poor? Ever lived in poverty?
Than how do you know what these people are thinking and thier motives.

As a matter of fact I was poor as a child. My father had a serious heart condition, a condition that killed him at age 57. The difference is, we didn't accept public assistance. My mother went to work, we grew our own vegetables, we raised chickens and sold them and their eggs. We did everything we could to get by. One thing we did not do was constantly whine.

Your post has little logic. You think that a few people who abuse the system speaks for all the poor. DSHS records that only 10 percent of people on public asstance abuse the system.

They are not pitying themselves or feeling sorry for themselve they simply do not know any better. There is a big difference. Ignorance and feeling sorry for yourself is two different things.

Look I worked these jobs for almost 15 years and I was not feeling sorry for myself. I honestly thought I was not smart enough to do better. I know now that is not true and I do better. I have had 4 years of therapy and medication and I know see that I can do better and I do.

I did not understand that every day I worked I was getting screwed. I got so burned out because of I gave 110 percent at work but I never could get my bills paid.
If I was feeling sorry for myself I wouldn't have been one of the best waitresses at Steak n Shake. That wasn't it. I did not know that I could actually accomplish working a job paying 3 times more work less and be more independant. I honesty DID NOT GET IT!!! Not getting it is different than being a victim or just accpeting your life in poverty.

You keep twisting things and trying to slander poor people into something they are not.

This is simply not so. Carpenters, plumbers, bakers, many people who work with their hands make more than enough to support a family. Rather than going to college they learned a trade, be it barbering, painting, hairdressing, or what ever. They did not settle.
Yeah no kidding Frogger. My hair stylist came over from Italy. Spoke little English according to him. He has grade 10 from Italy. Did tool and die and went to hairdressing school at night. You should see the marble spa and hair emporium this sucker owns today. He is humble and a hard worker (thus excellent with public relations) but even his designer pants scream money. I know my wallet sure screams when I leave his place.

Yeah, a grade 10 immigrant. They seem to make out just fine here in Canada. Yet we have families who are welfare patrons for generations. They do not view this as the land of opportunity. But hard working immigrants still do.

Hair dresser and plumbers and carpenters are losing thier mortages on a daily basis and are filing for bankrupcy more than ever.
Yes they are doing so good they are sure making it in america.

Some immigrants make it some don't. Immigration or people born here are no different from each other.

You are right welfare recipence come in generations because you have the dysfuncational raising dysfunctional children. The ignorant raising the ignorant. For example my mom never graduated from high school she told me all her life that college was a waste of time and just wanted to take my money so I didn't care about my education. I was unaware that I would repeat the cycle of poverty by not getting and education.
IT took me 15 years to realize I was literaly stuck in poverty. Maybe I am particulary stupid but I honestly "didn't get it" till I was more mature and older.

Indeed, I'm on Sal and Frogger's side for the most part.

I'm going to use my parents as examples here. I have three parents: mother, father, and step-mother.

Two of them graduated from high school, and they both have taken either a few college classes or gotten some sort of certificate from a community college for a certain class. One has a bachelor's degree. Guess which one is perpetually unemployed and has been on welfare in the past.

If you said my mother, the college educated parent, you are CORRECT. My father and step-mother do very well, making about $75,000 and $35,000 a year respectively. Do those sound like minimum wage jobs?

My mother, on the other hand, has been on and off of welfare since I can remember. She moves constantly, lives in near-poverty conditions most of the time, and is generally unemployed. There are definitely things she COULD do with her degree, but she just doesn't want to. Oh and she also went to massage school and is a certified yoga instructor as well... Both things she could be using to make a decent living. She just doesn't want to.

both of your examples had higher education and not simply a high school diploma frogger is saying that people who have only a high school dimploma make it just fine in this country.

As for your mom. Do you know all her peronsal problems. I am sure she tells you everything about why she is failing in life.

No one wants to be on welfare. It is humaliating,degrading and people contantly discriminate against you.

There is something mentally wrong with anyone who lives there and is happy with where they are in life.
That says it all.

Hair dresser and plumbers and carpenters are losing thier mortages on a daily basis and are filing for bankrupcy more than ever.
Yes they are doing so good they are sure making it in america.

Some immigrants make it some don't. Immigration or people born here are no different from each other.

You are right welfare recipence come in generations because you have the dysfuncational raising dysfunctional children. The ignorant raising the ignorant. For example my mom never graduated from high school she told me all her life that college was a waste of time and just wanted to take my money so I didn't care about my education. I was unaware that I would repeat the cycle of poverty by not getting and education.
IT took me 15 years to realize I was literaly stuck in poverty. Maybe I am particulary stupid but I honestly "didn't get it" till I was more mature and older.

I don't know warrior, my parents were immigrants. My mum had her grade 8 and my dad not much more until they moved to Canada. They spoke excellent English and wrote well. Better than most high school grads today. My mum could add a column of figures faster than I could likely punch them into a calculator. As immigrants they believed one should work hard and take every advantage life offered you. They believed you should give to those less advantaged and enjoy everyday. Pay cash whenever possible.

I am still a cash girl today. I am not one for debt or spending before I make it.

I would challenge you to show that plumbers and hair stylists are losing their mortgages everyday. I couldn't name one such person. Can you?

As for dysfunctional, raising dysfunctional, that is more than valid. Welfare families tend to produce welfare mentality kids in general. But many defy the odds and break the cycle.

both of your examples had higher education and not simply a high school diploma frogger is saying that people who have only a high school dimploma make it just fine in this country.

As for your mom. Do you know all her peronsal problems. I am sure she tells you everything about why she is failing in life.

No one wants to be on welfare. It is humaliating,degrading and people contantly discriminate against you.

There is something mentally wrong with anyone who lives there and is happy with where they are in life.
That says it all.
Oh yes, my father taking half a semester of college classes and then flunking out really made it better than a high school diploma. :rolleyes: You can't tell employers, "I did more than high school! Look, I had a D average when I dropped out of my first semester of college!" Seriously, wake up.

My step-mother has a certificate in basic electrical engineering paid for by her current job so she would have a little more knowledge of what she was working around. She had already held down the job for 8 years before she got that.

My mother has personal problems alright. No clue what they really are, but if I take her words at face value it's "The Man" keeping her down or something... Something to do with how the Republicans are secretly stealing all her jobs as soon as she gets them or anything else you can think of that's equally ridiculous. :rolleyes:

My mother has had no problems being on welfare or using food stamps. Then again she's also never had problems with stripping or selling drugs to keep up the income when she decides she's had enough of whatever job she's doing because she's "tired" or "working too hard". For one thing when we used food stamps we lived in a very small poor town in which about 3/4 of the children at my school got free or reduced lunch and all the people around us in the store were just as likely to have a food stamp card as us.

Well done Drac, youll fit in just fine as an American, man mind thy self attitude.
Well seeing I got a PM from your newest citizen, slabbering and putting me on ignore, hopefully someone can ask the arrogant fuck how he came to America in the first place, another silver spoon no doubt.

what are you talking about

Well I personally like to take my fights to open forum. Now I wont print a PM here, but its a good fucking job that snivelling fucking romanian rat put me on ignore

Well seeing I got a PM from your newest citizen, slabbering and putting me on ignore, hopefully someone can ask the arrogant fuck how he came to America in the first place, another silver spoon no doubt.

Hm, guess this means you're not best friends any more huh? :eek: ;)

As a general rule, no adult (21 yrs old) should be on min wage. They should have a skill, or they should have been on the job long enough to make more than min wage. There is an exception for almost any rule though.


absolute ignorance. Please provide links and research proving your claims that these people can actually make it through college let alone afford it?

90 percent of minimum wage jobs are service jobs. They have to work with people. They have no choice.

self worth and self confidence has nothing to do with work ethics. I had exellent work ethics while working at Taco Bell, Wendys and Steak N Shake. I showed up at work on time, did my work to the best of my ability and worked overtime but I did not think I could do better for myself.

As for having children too early I agree his is a problem. I totally agree with you that people get pregnant before they truly think about the reprecusion of it and men are way to eager to have sex but not stay with the woman when she gets pregnant and leaves the woman with the responsibility to raise the kid alone. Marriage does not solve this because you can just get divorce when men realize what kind of work it is to raise a kid.

Well I personally like to take my fights to open forum. Now I wont print a PM here, but its a good fucking job that snivelling fucking romanian rat put me on ignore
Ok, I took you off just because I was curious to see you fight...

You called me a "snivelling fucking romanian rat" and I have no idea what I have done to deserve that. But ok.

Here's the initial PM I sent to you.

You know, if you want to be an arrogant jerk go ahead, but as of right now, you are ignored. Your snoty remarks, and jackass responses to everything I post shows me how mature you are. And you're the one with kids and grown up. Fucking shit.

Peace...don't reply back. I don't want to hear your shit again.

And I've only said that because of your initial remark.

Well seeing I got a PM from your newest citizen, slabbering and putting me on ignore, hopefully someone can ask the arrogant fuck how he came to America in the first place, another silver spoon no doubt.
How the fuck am I the arrogant fuck, when you tell me this ... Well done Drac, youll fit in just fine as an American, man mind thy self attitude.
You didn't choose to disagree with me, instead you chose to write a snooty comment to me. Which is what pissed me off more. Was it that fucking hard to say that you don't agree with me, instead of Well done Drac, youll fit in just fine as an American, man mind thy self attitude.

Why must you put your dirty laundry out in the middle of the freakin cul-de-sac Drac? If you guys are having a PM spat... then have it there.

He said he prefers fights out in the open, so I took him off my ignore list.
I am waiting to see his argument. And as far as swearing goes, it's just something I can't do without. I have always swore, and will always do. It's my nature. If you don't like it, ignore me, I don't give a fuck.

And as far as swearing goes, it's just something I can't do without. I have always swore, and will always do. It's my nature. If you don't like it, ignore me, I don't give a fuck.

Fuckin Right...

If only people could use that same 'tude toward Imus... just as an example

He said he prefers fights out in the open, so I took him off my ignore list.
I am waiting to see his argument. And as far as swearing goes, it's just something I can't do without. I have always swore, and will always do. It's my nature. If you don't like it, ignore me, I don't give a fuck.
Wow.

Wow.
Not exactly sure what that means, but ok.

Drac and Paul,

I think what was a minor misunderstanding has the potential to turn into a nasty fight. How about the two of you each take one step back and calm down.

So far nothing has been said that can not be blamed on the heat of the moment. Let's try to keep it that way, okay.

[QUOTE=gmsisko1]ILLUSTRATING THE PLIGHT OF THE POOR

We learn today that Ted Kulongoski, the governor of Oregon, is going to live on food stamps for a week in order to illustrate the plight of the poor.

Wow! What a great idea! If the governor would permit me, I would like to suggest how he can enhance his illustration of the plight of the poor during this week on food stamps:

1. Adopt -- just for the week -- a few children you cannot afford to raise.

2. Completely abandon your work ethic for the week.

3. If you do have a job, show up late, leave early and don't hit a lick at a snake while you're there.

4. Smoke cigarettes. After all, a higher percentage of poor people smoke than rich people.

5. Become uneducated.

6. Buy lottery tickets.

There ... that ought to go a long way toward your "illustrating the plight of the poor" stunt.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22oregon.html


Yes,by golly,I think you've got it.Most Poor in this Country are a
by-product of Lazy,ill-informed parents/neighbors or relatives.
We have THE Most spoiled populace of Poor,right in our Country.
No child starves in this Country.
In point of fact LBJ's Great Society did more to Screw up future
generations by offering a Free Welfare hand,from cradle to grave.
If it wasn't for Newt Gingrich's New Congress in the mid-90's
Welfare Reform would never have gotten off the ground.
We made it too easy for Government sponsored hand-outs.
Plus the corrupting influences.Food stamps being sold on the
black market,when recipients didn't wanna use food stamps for
essentials like Orange juice,cereal and milk/bread.
I still am amased by the amount of poor {judging by their clothes and car}
who spend money casually at the Gas station on LOTTO,Cigs and
sheer junk food.That's where thier money goes.
Plus,it took only a pad of paper & pencil for Immigrants
who moved here,saving their entire life's nest egg,to better themselves and
teach their kids,about this Great Land.

I pretty much agree with you, Foolsworth and I appreciate the fact that your post was in plain, straightforward english.

[quote=Frogger]Who said it had toi be a college education. How about a high school education. Far too many of the poor quite high school because they had a job that allowed them to get a car and buy all the beer and Maryjane WHO ?


Not everyone has a high paying job that will allow them to take European vacations, join a country club, or drive a Maserati.Um, Masserati has 2 [ S's] got it. !




Invictus


" It is not truth,but opinion,that can travel the world without
a passport. "
-- Sir Walter Raleigh

Drac and Paul,

I think what was a minor misunderstanding has the potential to turn into a nasty fight. How about the two of you each take one step back and calm down.

So far nothing has been said that can not be blamed on the heat of the moment. Let's try to keep it that way, okay.
Fair enough, I aint happy but Im prepared to take a step back, I'll leave the matter alone for the time being.

The ball is in your court, Drac. This can either end and be remembered as a minor incident or it can escalate. The decision is yours.

Fair enough, I aint happy but Im prepared to take a step back, I'll leave the matter alone for the time being.
Good boy, Paulie...

Hey what's the weather like in Ireland around this time of year? I'm going over to your neck of the woods in a couple weeks. :D

The ball is in your court, Drac. This can either end and be remembered as a minor incident or it can escalate. The decision is yours.

Lest one furgit it tooks an Act of Congress to De-escalate LBJ's
Great Society { Welfare State } and at a cost of Trillions of
taxpayer dollars.
Democrats Tax ya durin yer life,and in the grave,as well.

Good boy, Paulie...

Hey what's the weather like in Ireland around this time of year? I'm going over to your neck of the woods in a couple weeks. :D
And I thought you were joking about you and granny scarlett. The weather, hm lets see.
Bring shorts, anorak, and boots, youll probablly use them all in the same day haha, not sure DF, remind me closer to the time your coming.

I don't know warrior, my parents were immigrants. My mum had her grade 8 and my dad not much more until they moved to Canada. They spoke excellent English and wrote well. Better than most high school grads today. My mum could add a column of figures faster than I could likely punch them into a calculator. As immigrants they believed one should work hard and take every advantage life offered you. They believed you should give to those less advantaged and enjoy everyday. Pay cash whenever possible.

I am still a cash girl today. I am not one for debt or spending before I make it.

I would challenge you to show that plumbers and hair stylists are losing their mortgages everyday. I couldn't name one such person. Can you?

As for dysfunctional, raising dysfunctional, that is more than valid. Welfare families tend to produce welfare mentality kids in general. But many defy the odds and break the cycle.


Yes many immigrant have a good mentality they come into it knowing they can succeed if they try hard enough. Kids on welfare are not taught that. They are taught that life will screw you if you try hard. It is not the kids fault being brain washed like that.
Yes I am a case I have broken the cycle. I did not do drugs or end up in Jail. I do not abuse my children even though my mom abused me and her father abused her. I stopped the cycle but it took me 15 years to undo the brain washing that I could not make a better life for myself. Now I know better and I do better.

Yes I think that anyone on welfare thier kids should be in specail programs to help them get past the dysfunction. Get to them early so they see there is a better world out there if they take the right steps. It is not about working hard it is about working smart. Working hard is busting you ass everyday at Mcdonalds and not getting anywhere in life. They have to think for the long haul not short sightenness. I do not think it is about instant gradification I think it is short sightness. We have to expand thier minds, find thier passions and help them evolve into something more than thier parents have programmed them to be.

Oh yes, my father taking half a semester of college classes and then flunking out really made it better than a high school diploma. :rolleyes: You can't tell employers, "I did more than high school! Look, I had a D average when I dropped out of my first semester of college!" Seriously, wake up.

My step-mother has a certificate in basic electrical engineering paid for by her current job so she would have a little more knowledge of what she was working around. She had already held down the job for 8 years before she got that.

My mother has personal problems alright. No clue what they really are, but if I take her words at face value it's "The Man" keeping her down or something... Something to do with how the Republicans are secretly stealing all her jobs as soon as she gets them or anything else you can think of that's equally ridiculous. :rolleyes:

My mother has had no problems being on welfare or using food stamps. Then again she's also never had problems with stripping or selling drugs to keep up the income when she decides she's had enough of whatever job she's doing because she's "tired" or "working too hard". For one thing when we used food stamps we lived in a very small poor town in which about 3/4 of the children at my school got free or reduced lunch and all the people around us in the store were just as likely to have a food stamp card as us.

Well it is clear that your mom has mental health issues. Parania for one to think Republicans are somehow thinking she is important enough to try to sabatage on that level.
Stripping shows a lack of boundries and lack of self esteem. I don't think she is lazy I think she is burnt out. I mean I got burnt out too give my best at work and busting my ass to still end up in the negative in the day. Why bother? Seriously?
Don't be too hard on your mom because of the stigma that she is on welfare. I think you will be more help to her to lover and show her compassion and see if she will get some therapy for some of her issues so she can heal and become productive.
Someone who is already beat down in life is not motiviated by harsh words or criticism. They are however modivated by someone listening to them and taking thier problems seriously which I am sure you do not have time for but a good therapist does.
There are many many ways she can be helped and if she is not ready don't push her. Just let her know you love her unconditionally and try not to be embarressed by her failures.

"Yes,by golly,I think you've got it.Most Poor in this Country are a
by-product of Lazy",


Ignorant judmental and generalized. Do you have a degree in pychology? How can you tell the difference between laziness depression?
"ill-informed parents/neighbors or relatives."

Explain this is not enough information to make an arguemnt on.


"We have THE Most spoiled populace of Poor,right in our Country."

Oh yes living without a car, cell phone, cable and decent computer is spoiled. Having to ride public transportaion with homeless people and drug addicts is spoiled. Living off of 240 for a family of 3 is spoiled. you full of shit!! what is your concept of spoiled? where you ever poor? HOw do you know?

"No child starves in this Country."

Your right because they are eating spoiled food, cup cakes, and donuts for breakfast lunch and dinner at food banks. They are not staving but they are malnutrition and go hungry.
"In point of fact LBJ's Great Society did more to Screw up future
generations by offering a Free Welfare hand,from cradle to grave."

YEs and of course you know nothing about clinton who made it so people can only recieve help for 5 years that you have to go to a job class everyday from 8-3 if you are not working and getting food stamps.

"If it wasn't for Newt Gingrich's New Congress in the mid-90's
Welfare Reform would never have gotten off the ground."

credit goes to clinton because he is the one who signed it into law!
"We made it too easy for Government sponsored hand-outs."

It is hand ups not hand outs!!selfish, self rightious, apathic jerk!

"Plus the corrupting influences.Food stamps being sold on the
black market,when recipients didn't wanna use food stamps for
essentials like Orange juice,cereal and milk/bread."

Generalization only 10 percent of welfare recieptance abuse thier food stamps..from DSHS themselves.

"I still am amased by the amount of poor {judging by their clothes and car}
who spend money casually at the Gas station on LOTTO,Cigs and
sheer junk food."

You must be talking about someone else because I was on welfare and I never did any of those things. I got my cloths at sharehouse which are second free cloths. I had no car, no cell phone, no cable. I do not smoke and I do not gamble. You are generalizing and if you can sit there and say that I can say that no christian ever had an original thought in thier brain.


"That's where thier money goes."
Did you take a fucking poll. How do you know. You assume and listen to rumors spread by republicans. Yes you have so much credibility!"Plus,it took only a pad of paper & pencil for Immigrants
who moved here,saving their entire life's nest egg,to better themselves and
teach their kids,about this Great Land."

30 percent of immigrant live on welfare dumbshit!!

I read Warrior's post of 12:13 and thought, "Gee, it looks like she has decided to calm down and post rationally."

Then I read her post of 12:35 and said, "Nope. Same old nasty, irrational Warrior."

30 percent of immigrant live on welfare dumbshit!!

I'm curious where you got this statistic, Warrior. According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace's International Migration Policy Project (http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html), only about 16 percent of poor immigrants use cash Welfare programs, compared to 25 percent of poor natives.


Immigrants with incomes below the poverty line are less likely to participate in cash assistance than natives with incomes below the poverty line. About 16 percent of poor immigrants use cash programs, compared to 25 percent of poor natives.

However, immigrants are also more likely to be poor than natives. About 15 percent of U.S. citizens fall below the poverty line, whereas 29 percent of non-citizens do so. About 11 percent of non-citizens have incomes less than 50 percent of the poverty line, compared to six percent of citizens.


Got documentation?

Hey, Frannie, what kind of chickens do you wrangle?

We use to raise Plymouth Rocks, Rhode Island Reds and Black Jersey Giants. We had about 4,700 chickens when I was a kid growing up.

Hey, Frannie, what kind of chickens do you wrangle?

We use to raise Plymouth Rocks, Rhode Island Reds and Black Jersey Giants. We had about 4,700 chickens when I was a kid growing up.

HOLY COW! That's way too many chickens! :eek:

I've got about 30 Araucanas - both the mixed variety (known as Easter Egg Birds) and purebreds (no tails, crazy feathers sticking out of the sides of their faces). They're my little blue and green egg layers. I have a small organic egg and vegetable business, and my clients LOVE the pretty farm-fresh eggs.

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:cool:

The ball is in your court, Drac. This can either end and be remembered as a minor incident or it can escalate. The decision is yours.
Whatever, it doesn't matter to me.

Well it is clear that your mom has mental health issues. Parania for one to think Republicans are somehow thinking she is important enough to try to sabatage on that level.
Stripping shows a lack of boundries and lack of self esteem. I don't think she is lazy I think she is burnt out. I mean I got burnt out too give my best at work and busting my ass to still end up in the negative in the day. Why bother? Seriously?
Don't be too hard on your mom because of the stigma that she is on welfare. I think you will be more help to her to lover and show her compassion and see if she will get some therapy for some of her issues so she can heal and become productive.
Someone who is already beat down in life is not motiviated by harsh words or criticism. They are however modivated by someone listening to them and taking thier problems seriously which I am sure you do not have time for but a good therapist does.
There are many many ways she can be helped and if she is not ready don't push her. Just let her know you love her unconditionally and try not to be embarressed by her failures.
Blah. I'm not embarrassed. I am slightly resentful of the fact that she could've made some better choices when it comes to raising me...

As far as her problems, she has gone to therapy in the past although she doesn't now, and she has a BA in psychology so I think she's perfectly capable of recognizing her own bullshit.

• The high rate of welfare use associated with immigrants is not explained by their unwillingness to work. In 2001, almost 80 percent of immigrant households using welfare had at least one person working.

• One of the main reasons for the heavy reliance of immigrants on welfare programs is that a very large share have little education. The American economy offers very limited opportunities to such workers, and as a result many immigrants who work are still eligible for welfare because of their low incomes.

• Use of the welfare system varies significantly by country. In 2001, immigrants from Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central and South America had the highest use rates, while those from South Asia, Western Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and Canada had the lowest. (Table 4)

• Immigrant households make extensive use of the welfare system in almost every state and metropolitan area with a large immigrant population. The highest use rates for immigrants are found in California, New York, Texas, and Massachusetts. (Table 5)

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html

• Continuing high rates of immigrant welfare use, coupled with the rapidly growing immigrant population has meant that the number of immigrant households using welfare has increased by 750,000 since 1996, with immigrant households now accounting for 18 percent of all households using a major welfare program, up from 14 percent in 1996. (Figure 3)

• In 1996, 22 percent of immigrant-headed households used at least one major welfare program, compared to 15 percent of native households. After declining in the late 1990s, welfare use returned to 1996 levels by 2001, with 23 percent of immigrant households using welfare compared to 15 percent of native households. (Figure 1)


Your percentage is close but here is shows that more immigrants than natives are using welfare.
so the people who claim that immigrants are better than natives are wrong.

I figure a certain proportion of the population is just simply not going to be capable of fully taking care of themselves (such as holding down a job). For many it is something we readily understand, like handicaps or mental illness. For others it is stupidity or selfishness or laziness or bad attitude.

As has been said, the poor are generally poor for a reason. A society as rich as America can afford to support them, so it becomes entirely a quesiton of whether or not it should and if it is decided it should how to do it.

• The high rate of welfare use associated with immigrants is not explained by their unwillingness to work. In 2001, almost 80 percent of immigrant households using welfare had at least one person working.

• One of the main reasons for the heavy reliance of immigrants on welfare programs is that a very large share have little education. The American economy offers very limited opportunities to such workers, and as a result many immigrants who work are still eligible for welfare because of their low incomes.

• Use of the welfare system varies significantly by country. In 2001, immigrants from Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central and South America had the highest use rates, while those from South Asia, Western Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and Canada had the lowest. (Table 4)

• Immigrant households make extensive use of the welfare system in almost every state and metropolitan area with a large immigrant population. The highest use rates for immigrants are found in California, New York, Texas, and Massachusetts. (Table 5)

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html

Wow that is an old article. I think it should be updated.
I don't believe it is only because of immigrants that cause this problem. Most immigrant families are extremely hard workers and never miss a day. They work jobs most people would not do, as the pay may not be as good as most jobs but they do them and are proud to have jobs.

Some times the use of welfare is due to a person or family not doing what ever it takes to get a job. There are always jobs. It just depends on what you are willing to do.

Some times pride gets in the way. People figure they are worth so much and hour and will not settle for anything less then what they are worth.

In this survey where is the cost of living inputted or shown? It is not cheap to raise a family in the US from what I understand. I think that should play a factor and the housing costs and the availability of decent housing.

It is nice to see Canada had one of the lowest rates of welfare.

I no doubt think that some of the immigrants are great workers. I never said that but someone was acting like immigrants have an overall better work ethics than native poor and that simple is not true.

Yes immigrants do do many jobs that Americans would not do because Americans are smart enough to know not to work for minimum wage and not be able to pay thier bills at the end of the day.
Business's take advantage on immigrants because they are desperate enough to do work for slave labor so the business owner can live in his oversized home and 3 cars and line his pocket.
and it specifically said that because the immigrants are not educated they often work minimum wage jobs and still qualify for welfare. They maybe good workers but they are still needing welfare.

America was built on immigrants' backs.

Yes we were all immigrants at one point or another unless you are a native American. However to claim that immigrants that come to america today are better workers and have better ethics than Americans is wrong. There are some good and some bad on both sides.

Shut yer Non-Immigrant yapper.
Just what Ancestry { Family Tree,bloodline } constitutes yer being.?
It was The Eurpoean's who Immigrated thru Ellis Island before and
after The Turn of the Century who were responsible for Building
our great Melting Pot City's.

36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html

We must end welfare state subsidies for illegal immigrants. Some illegal immigrants – certainly not all – receive housing subsidies, food stamps, free medical care, and other forms of welfare.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html

Although the United States’ welfare rolls are already swollen, every year we import more people who wind up on public assistance: immigrants. Many immigrants are poor; indeed, that is why they come here. The immigrants we admit are much poorer than the native population and are increasing the size of our impoverished population. As a result, the share of immigrant households below the poverty line (18 percent) is much higher than the share of native households that are poor (11 percent)—nearly twice as high. And immigrant households are more likely to participate in practically every one of the major means-tested programs. Immigrant use of welfare programs (21 percent) is 43 percent higher than non-immigrants’ use (15 percent).1
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd 8

Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.
He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.
But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.
The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275

Yes we were all immigrants at one point or another unless you are a native American. However to claim that immigrants that come to america today are better workers and have better ethics than Americans is wrong. There are some good and some bad on both sides.
There were good and bad among the Irish and the Italians too. The thing to remember is that immigrants are self-selected, while natives did not choose to be born here. That makes immigrants, on the whole, harder working--they had the ambition and the willingness to take a risk that brought them to move.

There were nativists then, there are now, and they tend to be the most vocal and shout the most. Fortunately there is enough human decency among the population that such bigotry eventually gets defeated. I hope it happens again.

Yes we were all immigrants at one point or another unless you are a native American. However to claim that immigrants that come to america today are better workers and have better ethics than Americans is wrong. There are some good and some bad on both sides.
The fuck it is wrong. Workers from Europe have a much better work ethic and actually work instead of screwing around on the job. Americans are lazy, and want someone else to do the work for them. I've seen plenty of examples.

There were good and bad among the Irish and the Italians too. The thing to remember is that immigrants are self-selected, while natives did not choose to be born here. That makes immigrants, on the whole, harder working--they had the ambition and the willingness to take a risk that brought them to move.

There were nativists then, there are now, and they tend to be the most vocal and shout the most. Fortunately there is enough human decency among the population that such bigotry eventually gets defeated. I hope it happens again.

Being from Cleveland,I still chuckle when someone asks a Kentuckian
what their Ancestry IS.Most don't know to save their life.Other's insist
part Cherokee or some Indian.
When someone is from European stock,they know,damn well from their
birth,from Grandparents and Aunts & Uncles,exactly what their
lineage is.
Most Crackers,don't know,OR couldn't care less where their bloodline
Originated.Only Indians are Natives.To bee honestly blunt.

There are only three things one has to do to keep from being poor; finish school, not have or father a child out of wedlock, get and keep a job.

If you follow the three above rules you may not become rich but you won't be poor.

Today you need to finish college, not just high school.
Also, keeping a job is not always in your control. You can work your butt off and still lose your job, and not having a college degree makes it that much harder to find a new job.

Yer silly stupid.You're entire schtick rellies almost exclusively on
PC generalities from supposition.You have disingenuously managed
to disembowel,even yer own worth & credibility,by constant
haranguing over tertiary tidbits of nuanced nomenclature,by default.
Yer a true stickler for meaningless perverse paradigm.

The fuck it is wrong. Workers from Europe have a much better work ethic and actually work instead of screwing around on the job. Americans are lazy, and want someone else to do the work for them. I've seen plenty of examples.
Wow. Welcome to our country.

I am German, British and part mexican.
Hey I only get my info from the stats and the stats say more immigrants are on welfare than born americans.

You mind showing me where those stats are.

Being from Cleveland,I still chuckle when someone asks a Kentuckian
what their Ancestry IS.Most don't know to save their life.Other's insist
part Cherokee or some Indian.
When someone is from European stock,they know,damn well from their
birth,from Grandparents and Aunts & Uncles,exactly what their
lineage is.
Most Crackers,don't know,OR couldn't care less where their bloodline
Originated.Only Indians are Natives.To bee honestly blunt.

True.

I know--I work at a genealogy library.

The fuck it is wrong. Workers from Europe have a much better work ethic and actually work instead of screwing around on the job. Americans are lazy, and want someone else to do the work for them. I've seen plenty of examples.

We've been accused of this before--namely by the Imperial Nipponese pre War era.

Only a few of their War Cabinet who'd actually spent time here realized that we were a tough folk of pioneer stock who were akin to "wakening a sleeping tiger" when our backs were riled.