I thinks its time we had somewhere were we can debate soccer or football as the world calls it, so once your in please refer to it as football.

Not sure how to run with this so patients please.

I being a life long Manchester United fan will focus on them,
the Premirship and Champions League, but football anywhere will do.

Tonite Man Utd take on the might of AC Milan at Old Trafford, with most of they're defence out thru injury, as long as Milan dont get an away goal, Iwill be happy enough with a draw.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6583495.stm

You can count me and 99% of the rest of my country out on this one, Paul.

Haha I know.

Oh god, Hey Paul watch the game last nite,
Man Utd 3-AC Milan 0

Chelsea v Liverpool tonite, see ya

hehe

Soccer only? You mean no hockey? No basketball? No competitive eating? No pro-chicken dancing? What sort of deranged thread is this.

No.This is for Real Football.

No.This is for Real Football.


"REAL" football???? Are you implying your pansy little game of soccer is real, and the manly, man game us blood thirsty americans worship that happens to go by the same name is not?

:upyours:


(Just kidding Paul)

No.This is for Real Football.
when's the last time someone playing your preteen girls' game broke their neck?


(please note that i didn't call it soccer :D )

when's the last time someone playing your preteen girls' game broke their neck?


(please note that i didn't call it soccer :D )
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1158679292/Soccer_Play_Results_in_Broken_Neck :eek:

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1158679292/Soccer_Play_Results_in_Broken_Neck :eek:
OUCH!

but he was flopping around better than Mike Utley...who only gave a thumbs up on his way out on a stretcher.

ok, one header, and one head butt, i'm less unimpressed.

Hold on a minute you guys, Im in this thread, minding my own business, thinking about dumping the whole thing and look what happens, I get up on a sunny thursday morning to find you 2 enjoying yourselves, should be ashamed of yourselves, getting on like that when I was sleeping................
hehe

Yanks, off this thread!!!!!
This one is for real MEN!

So I guess that was your last post, Liberal.:lolhit:

you 2 enjoying yourselves, should be ashamed of yourselves, getting on like that when I was sleeping................
hehe


We didn't wake you did we, Paul?:D

So I guess that was your last post, Liberal.:lolhit:
Haha, thats good

Wednesday nite.
Champions League Semi Final 2
First Leg
Chelsea 1
Liverpool 0

In what was a pretty scrappy affair at Stamford Bridge, Chelseas Joe Cole scored the only goal of the nite.
Second Leg on Tuesday nite at Anfield, Liverpool still in with a shout.

There's only one football, and that's the greatest game ever (except for tiger wrestling). American football is just a pansy version of rugby.

"REAL" football???? Are you implying your pansy little game of soccer is real, and the manly, man game us blood thirsty americans worship that happens to go by the same name is not?

:upyours:


(Just kidding Paul)

mmm. I wonder. Lets see

Football is the most popular game on the planet, by a long long way. It's huge in almost every country on earth.

American Football is not even No.2 - it's not even close. Cricket is more popular than American football. American Football is an American sport.

The name for soccer is Football. Soccer is just some name Americans invented.

If you want pansies look no further than American football - most of the players are overweight slobs, they play for 2 mins a game, and they have so much padding they would be ok if a train hit them.

In the average football game - the players run over 10 Kilometers. Try that with the average American football player - most would die of heart attack.

The sad thing is Americans haven't really been exposed to Football because all sports in the US are run and controlled by media spending. There's no place for a sport that doesn't stop every 20 seconds for 5 mins of ads.

For all of you that have been robbed of the beautiful game called Football that most people on the planet are FANATICAL about (afterall almost 5 billion supporters cannot be wrong) - my condolences., it truly is a loss the extent of which you will never understand.

So I guess that was your last post, Liberal.:lolhit:

Real men like me, don't need a "SHOTGUN", or a stupid "PICK UP TRUCK", or going around other countries killing their unarmed people.

mmm. I wonder. Lets see

Football is the most popular game on the planet, by a long long way. It's huge in almost every country on earth.

American Football is not even No.2 - it's not even close. Cricket is more popular than American football. American Football is an American sport.

The name for soccer is Football. Soccer is just some name Americans invented.

If you want pansies look no further than American football - most of the players are overweight slobs, they play for 2 mins a game, and they have so much padding they would be ok if a train hit them.

In the average football game - the players run over 10 Kilometers. Try that with the average American football player - most would die of heart attack.

The sad thing is Americans haven't really been exposed to Football because all sports in the US are run and controlled by media spending. There's no place for a sport that doesn't stop every 20 seconds for 5 mins of ads.

For all of you that have been robbed of the beautiful game called Football that most people on the planet are FANATICAL about (afterall almost 5 billion supporters cannot be wrong) - my condolences., it truly is a loss the extent of which you will never understand.

Right On!

Soccer is the world's most popular sport for some very good reasons.

1. You con't have to be overly tall or a musclebound exomorph to play it.

2. You don't need a lot of specialized equipment to play it, just a ball and some open ground.

3. It doesn't require a huge stadium, an open field at the edge of town will do.

4. The rules are simple and straight forward.

I have never understood why Americans and Canadians have not taken to the sport more.

Wednesday nite.
Champions League Semi Final 2
First Leg
Chelsea 1
Liverpool 0

In what was a pretty scrappy affair at Stamford Bridge, Chelseas Joe Cole scored the only goal of the nite.
Second Leg on Tuesday nite at Anfield, Liverpool still in with a shout.

Saw most of the second half on ESPN2...I really thought Liverpool was outplaying them second half but they just couldn't get the ball in the net. Gerrard had a really nice volley attempt but Cech made a great save.

Real men like me, don't need a "SHOTGUN", or a stupid "PICK UP TRUCK", or going around other countries killing their unarmed people.

And not only that, you should see how mean the WOMEN fans are.

As a matter of fact, after every Browns loss, I entertain myself by terrorizing our neighbors. Over the years, I've uprooted flowers, vandalized mailboxes, thrown rocks, and personally driven the ice cream truck away, besides spraypainting rude remarks and setting various small fires.

It won't be long before the entire county looks like a missile site.

What can I say?

All part of the fun of being a football fan.

All part of the fun of being a football fan.

You mean your Rugby (Chicken' Shit) Football?

I bet so...

LOL, I KNOW so.

And so do the neighbors.

Liberal,

Rugby and American Football are not the same.

American football is a gentleman's sport played by ruffians while Rugby is a ruffian sport played by gentlemen.

You mean your Rugby (Chicken' Shit) Football?

I bet so...

Thats funny. I don't like rugby, but lets face reality here - in rugby there is no stupid padding, helmets, breaks every 20 seconds. The only protection they have is to wrap electrical tape around their heads to stop their ears being pulled off. American football is a pansy game, just look at all the pathetic gear they wear. If they played it without pads, without breaks every few seconds then we could call it a real game, until then like most of the planet beyond the US knows - it's hardly something that could be considered a real sport. It's nothing but a media platform for gullible Americans.

Soccer is the world's most popular sport for some very good reasons.

1. You con't have to be overly tall or a musclebound exomorph to play it.

2. You don't need a lot of specialized equipment to play it, just a ball and some open ground.

3. It doesn't require a huge stadium, an open field at the edge of town will do.

4. The rules are simple and straight forward.

I have never understood why Americans and Canadians have not taken to the sport more.
too easy:cool:

I dont see why these BIG guys in America were motorbike helmets and shoulder pads, I mean rugby players were a gum shield.

I dont see why these BIG guys in America were motorbike helmets and shoulder pads, I mean rugby players were a gum shield.
imagine getting rear ended on the highway (rugby), now imagine a head on crash (football).

Yea yea, you guys love exaggerating,American Footballers dont get hit any harder than the Rugby ones.

Lady soccer fans must be jealous that they don't have hottie guys like THIS hunk o man to drool over.......


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4177/5054it7.jpg

Jesus Christ, what is, I mean, who is that.

Thais is Chris Hovan, ugliest man in the NFL.

Would be glad to post more pics of other ugly guys..we have a reputation to uphold.

Oh shit.I thought you were posting a pic of your partner on your replys.

That was a joke Ren. Dont go off on one haha

United close in on title.
After the worst possable start, Manchester United seen themselves 2-0 down by half time against Everton at Goodison Park this morning.
At the same time,Chelsea,the champions were playing Bolton and ahead at half time,the tension was fantastic with just 2 points seperating the top 2 teams:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6578823.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6578777.stm

Yea yea, you guys love exaggerating,American Footballers dont get hit any harder than the Rugby ones.
please! i get hit harder than that by gas station clerks when i forget my change!:rolleyes:

United close in on title.
After the worst possable start, Manchester United seen themselves 2-0 down by half time against Everton at Goodison Park this morning.
At the same time,Chelsea,the champions were playing Bolton and ahead at half time,the tension was fantastic with just 2 points seperating the top 2 teams:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6578823.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6578777.stm

ManU were 3 points ahead - have been since the 2-1 loss at Portsmouth (not 2) and now they are 5 points ahead

They were showing the ManU score at the Chelsea game until it was 2-2 and then they took it off the big screen.

I think Manu has clinched it now, I just hope Chelski get beaten by Liverpool in the C-League this week. I'd like to see the "special one" crushed by defeat - that guy is way too arrogant, he might be a half decent manager, but come on, he has the most expensive football team ever assembled. Put him in charge of a mid-table team and see him take it to the top & then I'll be impressed. ManU may be a rich club with expensive players, but they have a long history of success and they build success, its not a buy success the chelski way.

Very true, I think Utd, hope Utd clinch it now, unfortuantly I dont think they can clinch it at Eastlands next week against City, this is the most exciting run in Ive seen in years.
As far as managers go this year, Roy Keane must get top honours, looks like Sunderland will be promoted next week.

too easy:cool:

I'd like to see you playing, lets say... just to start, against a team of 15 to 17 year old kids who have played at school or in the streets, and sometimes without shoes 'cause they are too poor to use their school shoes or their tennis shoes (if they are lucky to have 'em). You will never get a chance to even see the ball, not to mention that you won't get to kick it not even once during the whole game... If I bring into the US such a team of kids, a group of kids of the same age or a little older born in the US will not have a chance either. If it is too easy, then try playing...
Just check in the Internet when PELE was in the World Cup of 1958 in Sweden he was only 17 years, and he and his team won that Football World Cup.

Check this video, and see if you can do the same at least once in your lifetime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw)


The following links are the three best goals in the hisltory of Football.

Diego Maradona (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Maradona) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Argentina.svg/20px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Argentina.svg) Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina) (México 1986 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1986) vs. Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo)


Michael Owen (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Owen) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/20px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_England.svg) Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra) (Francia 1998 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1998) vs. Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q)


Pelé (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/20px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Brazil.svg) Brasil (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Brasil) (Suecia 1958 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1958) vs. Suecia (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Suecia))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4)


:lolhit:

too easy:cool:

Here are a couple more for ya, Mikezila:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O7KkZn4rk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O7KkZn4rk)

In this second video you'll see among the 20 best goals, one of the goals Perú did against Scotland in 1978, Teófilo Cubillas kicks it on a Free Kick...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts5XXqzGzwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts5XXqzGzwY)

:lolhit:

Check this video, and see if you can do the same at least once in your lifetime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw)


The following links are the three best goals in the hisltory of Football.

Diego Maradona (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Maradona) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Argentina.svg/20px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Argentina.svg) Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina) (México 1986 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1986) vs. Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo)


Michael Owen (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Owen) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/20px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_England.svg) Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra) (Francia 1998 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1998) vs. Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q)


Pelé (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/20px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Brazil.svg) Brasil (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Brasil) (Suecia 1958 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1958) vs. Suecia (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Suecia))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4)


:lolhit:

Cool links - I actually remember waching the 1st 2 live as they happened. The Pele one is interesting to see, although you see goals euqally as good as that every week in the premiership.

As far as managers go this year, Roy Keane must get top honours, looks like Sunderland will be promoted next week.

I agree about Keane, it's great what he has done in his first manager job at Sunderland, they were looking in bad shape before he arrived. If Derby lose today, then the Black Cats go up. The game is on now & Derby are losing 2-0 with 20 mins to go

Derby lost today

The best goal Ive ever seen,and voted best goal ever shown on Sky Sports was by Ryan Giggs against Arsenal,come to think of it,its probably the best match Ive ever seen also.

Im getting it for yous now.

I'd like to see you playing, lets say... just to start, against a team of 15 to 17 year old kids who have played at school or in the streets, and sometimes without shoes 'cause they are too poor to use their school shoes or their tennis shoes (if they are lucky to have 'em). You will never get a chance to even see the ball, not to mention that you won't get to kick it not even once during the whole game... If I bring into the US such a team of kids, a group of kids of the same age or a little older born in the US will not have a chance either. If it is too easy, then try playing...
Just check in the Internet when PELE was in the World Cup of 1958 in Sweden he was only 17 years, and he and his team won that Football World Cup.

Check this video, and see if you can do the same at least once in your lifetime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZ87huFxYw)


The following links are the three best goals in the hisltory of Football.

Diego Maradona (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Maradona) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Argentina.svg/20px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Argentina.svg) Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina) (México 1986 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1986) vs. Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWsGMsHDlo)


Michael Owen (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Owen) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/20px-Flag_of_England.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_England.svg) Inglaterra (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Inglaterra) (Francia 1998 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1998) vs. Argentina (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Argentina))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoX-qs9N8Q)


Pelé (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/20px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Brazil.svg) Brasil (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Brasil) (Suecia 1958 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol_de_1958) vs. Suecia (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3n_de_f%C3%BAtbol_de_Suecia))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjNQwd3Wa4)


:lolhit:
too easy, as in not complex enough...and we already have one ghetto game-basketball.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
sorry guys,got vid of youtube, but wont let me post it.

Cool links - I actually remember watching the 1st 2 live as they happened. The Pele one is interesting to see, although you see goals equally as good as that every week in the premiership.

I did too, live, at the very moment they happened... I didn't see Pele's, just to young at that time... Besides there wasn't any satellite transmissions... Cave men age for TV...

Derby lost today

Sunderland are up. That's good news. I grew up about 30 - 40 miles from sunderland, they have a really nice new stadium, and really have always been a premiership team.

Yea,Sunderland and Birmingham were promoted today,Roy Keanes next big step will be to keep them in the Premiership.

Trouble at the end of the Leeds match yesterday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/6588831.stm

Sunderland are up. That's good news. I grew up about 30 - 40 miles from sunderland, they have a really nice new stadium, and really have always been a premiership team.
I was thinking about that before.I stayed around that neck of the woods fro time to time,have 2 brother in laws from Cleveland.

http://208.116.9.205/10/graphics/pics/chelsea_priceless.jpg

Heres Ryan Giggs goal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgHi3D7OjNs

Michael Owen to start for Newcastle against Reading-Sky Sports

Lets hope he doesn't break his leg, otherwise everybody will have to put up with another year of Newcastle's chairman's incessant whining about how the FA didn't even buy Owen an Aspirin...

Owen managed to play the full match,even scored a goal which was called offside,the replay showed he wasnt.

Liverpool reach Champions League Final
for 7th time.

Cmon United on Wednesday nite.
Kick some Italian ass.

Liverpool vs AC Milan in the finals. Manchester didn't even show up to play in the second game.

Thats a fair description.
Didnt show up.

terrible display

For a team that scored 22 goals in all competitions in April it was dire.
Wait to you hear what I have to stick from the Liverpool boys in work tomorrow.
zzzzzzzzzz

Today at Eastlands,

Manchester City 0 1 Manchester United

In a scrappy derby match United just edged it,even tho City were awarded a very dodgey penalty,which Vassell fired strait at van der Saar in the United goal.
This result leaves United 8 points clear with 3 to play.
Tomorrow Arsenal v Chelsea at 4pm
If Chelsea do not win United become champions.
Chelsea v Manchester United 8pm Wednesday.

the season seems tainted now after that thrashing by AC Milan. If it had been close it would have been better but AC Milan made them look like a pub side. Hopefully Chelsea draw or lose tomorrow

Arsenal 1 1Chelsea

Manchester United
Premiership Champions ye ha

Ronaldinho, of FC Barcelona and Brazil, is arguably the worlds best player.
I found these pics of his modest house on the costas north of Barcelona.

http://www.worldcupblog.org/general-banter/inside-ronaldinhos-house.html

Ever fancy owning a bit of a football club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6639407.stm

Champions League Final:Wednesday 23 May
Athens Greece.

AC Milan v Liverpool FC.



If your really bored and like watching paint dry.

Bolivia v Ireland. same nite.

Giants Stadium Meadowlands NJ.

If your really bored and like watching paint dry.

...if i was that bad off, i'd watch soccer.:lolhit:

Mike. If you can pick up the Champions League Final, which starts in half an hour, check it out.

i think there's women's beach volleyball on ESPN:thumbs:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/mikezila_bucket/ef68.jpg

Well when u put it that way.

AC Milan really stole that game IMO. Liverpool totally dominated the first half, Alonso was everywhere, (too bad that foul ruined the game for him) Milan's first goal was questionable, I thought it was fair when I saw it live but after watching the replay he might have gotten too much arm.

Crouch should have been in the game much quicker than the 75th minute, hell I probably would have had him start the second half.

Yeah Crouch should have been on earlier, I though Pennant played well but his passing let him down.
Harry Kewell should be put on next plane to Sydney.

Yeah Crouch should have been on earlier, I though Pennant played well but his passing let him down.
Harry Kewell should be put on next plane to Sydney.

What'd you think about Inzaghi's first goal? Handball or legit?

Well he was backing off, trying to avoid contact with it, but Liverpool had a good case, the keeper was stranded.