I know this is a strange concept for you warrior, but try to imagine this: an "unwanted" kid who is not aborted growing up and becoming a productive member of society despite being "unwanted". Not everyone who is successful in life had a perfect childhood you know. Some of them, maybe even someone you know, was "unwanted". And you kow what else is strange, some people who are complete losers and the scum of society were "wanted". I dont appreciate the pro abortion crowd trying to justify abortions by assuming any kid born who is not "wanted" is doomed to a life of failure, because no one knows that.

Yet another stupid statement from Warrior. We have a poster who participates on this site who has said foster care is the best thing that has happened to him. I have two foster brothers and a foster sister I am still close with even though they have been out of the system for decades. My one brother just turned sixty, the other is fifty two and my sister is fifty one. I call them my brothers and sister because though they were foster children my parents always treated them as there children and I always treated them as my siblings.

oh yes those few examples make foster care so much better. There have been more child abuse, more children rapes and "accidental" deaths in foster care not to mention children in the millions coming up with Reactive Attachement Disorder from being switch from home to home and your few examples makes it all better.

Right...

I think you need see the statistics!

My comment is about as stupid as your comment is retarded!

I think you need to get you head out of your ass.

http://fostercareabuse.ca/
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/13/Tampabay/Foster_care_abuse_all.shtml

http://www.sptimes.com/News/112601/Opinion/Abuse_in_foster_care.shtml

would you like more.

I think you need to get you head out of your ass.


yes such good quality debate you give.

Abuse occurs in homes headed by biological parents too. Does that mean living with a biological parent is horrid and we should abort those kids?

Medical technology now shows that heartbeat and brainwaves (the current signs determining medical and clinical death) exist prior to birth.


One can show both a heartbeat and brainwaves but still be comatose.

That is not my idea of life.

So maybe we should kill everyone who is in a coma, Dharmabum. After all, they're comatose.

have you ever suffered from abuse and neglect? well I have and I am telling you have no right to put that kid through it. You cannot abort kids already here but if you can keep those kids from having to grow up in that envirnment I am all for it. I would have rather been aborted than to go through the things I did as a kid. The molestation, the rapes the beatings the emotional abuse. You have no right to force me into that kind of life!! That is not living!!

So maybe we should kill everyone who is in a coma, Dharmabum. After all, they're comatose.

Why do you always feel the need to misrepresent everything I say???

It is so dishonest.

Forcing a child to be born into a family that didn't want it is not always a favor to the child.

What was the purpose of this then?

One can show both a heartbeat and brainwaves but still be comatose.

Forcing a child to be born into a family that didn't want it is not always a favor to the child.

I compeletly agree. I mean they talk about how they are trying to save an innocent childs life and care so much for this being but after it is born they drop off the planet of the earth. it is no longer thier concern. The abuse and the neglect that follows isn't thier responsibilty even though they forced the mother to have the unwanted baby.

have you ever suffered from abuse and neglect? well I have and I am telling you have no right to put that kid through it. You cannot abort kids already here but if you can keep those kids from having to grow up in that envirnment I am all for it. I would have rather been aborted than to go through the things I did as a kid. The molestation, the rapes the beatings the emotional abuse. You have no right to force me into that kind of life!! That is not living!!
Get over it already. You'll never be able to overcome your past if you keep whining about it.

I used to say the same things about wishing I had been aborted, but you know what? I don't wish that anymore. I truly believe that I can help make the world a better place by giving my effort to helping other people and making them happy rather than complaining about how hard I have it all the time.

Get over it already. You'll never be able to overcome your past if you keep whining about it.

I used to say the same things about wishing I had been aborted, but you know what? I don't wish that anymore. I truly believe that I can help make the world a better place by giving my effort to helping other people and making them happy rather than complaining about how hard I have it all the time.

I am not whining about. It is the facts and no kid needs to go through that because some right wing christian is claiming to safe its life.

I have a mental illness called Post Traumatic stress Disorder with comes with depression and anxiety problems and you think I can some how wish this away. This is chemically in my brain not something you think or wish better or have some kind of positive mentality and it is gone.

as usual your ignorance of mental illness and choice of thought process is clear.

I do not have a choice in the way I think! My brain is wired a certian way and nothing I do can change except though medication and years of therapy in rewiring my brain.

I will talk about my childhood abuse when it is relevent and your attempt to demean it by calling it whining will not work.

I do make the world a better place by letting woman to have a choice to have a baby she does not want so that child does not grow up like I did become mentally well and end up on welfare and disability.

I do not have a choice in having a mental illness I can do my work to get better and to stay on my medication and to keep going to therapy but it is people like you with words like "whinning" "Playng victim" "victim mentality" who invalidate the pain and suffering that I have endured and survived that make me just want to give up!

Why bother!.. I mean honestly I try to educate people about what it is like to be forced in a family who does not want you and you spin it into whining.

Why bother getting better? Why bother going to school or trying to get a job? Why bother trying to be a better parent?
I am just a whinner and not worth anything.

What was the purpose of this then?

There is more to "life" than a heartbeat and brainwaves.

I compeletly agree. I mean they talk about how they are trying to save an innocent childs life and care so much for this being but after it is born they drop off the planet of the earth. it is no longer thier concern. The abuse and the neglect that follows isn't thier responsibilty even though they forced the mother to have the unwanted baby.


Once the baby is born, this is the meme that takes over:

"I'd rather die than have my money extorted by a group of bleeding hearts for people I'd rather see dead and buried." - The Praetorian

warrior and dhrama, you two sound pathetic. Pre emptively killing kids so as to spare them abuse you dont even know they will get? WTF is your problem?

Dharmabum,

Warrior1927 is a dumbass. Don't you be one too.

I, and other posters have already said we think that children should be taken care of after birth, that we all have a responsibility to care for them.

She keeps spouting the same tired old crap over and over as if by repeating her garbage it will suddenly become a valuable gift.

There is a reason she is called Dumbass.

There is more to "life" than a heartbeat and brainwaves.

so if someones life doesnt measure up to your standards they should be killed before they are born so you dont have to live on the same earth as someone whos life isnt as good as yours? you sound like a fucking nazi man. seriously. only nazis justified killing someone in order to make their life better.

warrior and dhrama, you two sound pathetic. Pre emptively killing kids so as to spare them abuse you dont even know they will get? WTF is your problem?

we are not for killing kids ROFLMAO!!

abortion is the killing of a fetus not a kid. I never advocated killing a kid that was already here.

and I don't think there is any reason acceptable enough to strip a child of his/her dignity, innocents and humanity simply because you want it to live!


You are breeding criminals, drug addicts, alcholics, pediphiles and mental illness!!

"I'd rather die than have my money extorted by a group of bleeding hearts for people I'd rather see dead and buried." - The Praetorian

Unfortunately this is not an attitude I made up. This is the real attitude of a real-life Conservative poster here on this board. His statement is emblematic of the conservative philosophy, "every man for himself."

Abortion is just a wedge issue. They use it to play on people emotions by saying things like "baby killer" in order to confuse and enrage.

Banning abortion will bring more problems than it solves, and lets not kid ourselves, that IS the goal of the so-called "pro-lifers".

Dharmabum,

Warrior1927 is a dumbass. Don't you be one too.

I, and other posters have already said we think that children should be taken care of after birth, that we all have a responsibility to care for them.

She keeps spouting the same tired old crap over and over as if by repeating her garbage it will suddenly become a valuable gift.

There is a reason she is called Dumbass.

yes do you have any adopted kids? I mean honestly you give money but do you really put in your two cents and adopt all these unwanted kids in adoptions centers... how about foster care? Surely you are a foster parent since you care so much for the welfare of these children?

Please show me how you contribute to the wellbeing of these unwanted kids other than sending some spare change to the nearest charity.

holy crap. letting a "fetus" live is stripping it of its dignity, innocence and humanity? you are one fucked up person. you are basically aying aborting a kid you dont want is noble and dignified. talk about emotional propaganda. the more I think about it the more I agree ith you about your desire to have been aborted.

Warrior, I will warn you now. Don't expect anything except insults from Trav.

It's all he is good at.

If you want discussion, just ignore him.

so if someones life doesnt measure up to your standards they should be killed before they are born so you dont have to live on the same earth as someone whos life isnt as good as yours? you sound like a fucking nazi man. seriously. only nazis justified killing someone in order to make their life better.

nice another repub that uses name calling as a tool when a debate doesn't make sense them.

Nazi is someone who feels thier race is more supreme than others and that the life of someone else of a different race or religion is not as valueable as thiers. Nazi cause genocide of humans already living on this planet.

You cannot compare a fetus who cannot even breath our air yet as valueable as human already born no matter how hard you try or how many insults you hurl.

Warrior, I will warn you now. Don't expect anything except insults from Trav.

It's all he is good at.

If you want discussion, just ignore him.

yes it is a typical way to try and get revenge for not being able to bring a reasonable debate the table.

It is because they are hurting and in pain when they read our comments and cannot stop us from posting it so they try to hurt us back by attacking us verbally and emotionally.

It makes them feel better and more powerful.

It is because they are hurting and in pain when they read our comments and cannot stop us from posting it so they try to hurt us back by attacking us verbally and emotionally.

It makes them feel better and more powerful.

I just think Trav has anger management issues.

dhrama, warrior just said NOT aborting a kid is taking away his humanity and dignity, do you think that is worthy of a deep intellectual discussion? Give me a break, that is completly ridiculous. do you agree crushing somones skull and sucking out his brains is more dignified then giving him a chance to succeed in life despite the hurdles? So a kid may be born to a crackhead mother and taken away, is he automatically condemend to a life of drug abuse and prostition? You want to cure the headache by cutting off the head, literally. Give the kid a chance. besides there is always a chance they may get hit and killed by a bus before they become to much of a burden for you to bear.

That could be I mean what better place to take it out on people is on a message board were you are annynmous and don't have to face any reprecution for emotional and verbal abuse.

dhrama, warrior just said NOT aborting a kid is taking away his humanity and dignity, do you think that is worthy of a deep intellectual discussion? Give me a break, that is completly ridiculous. do you agree crushing somones skull and sucking out his brains is more dignified then giving him a chance to succeed in life despite the hurdles? So a kid may be born to a crackhead mother and taken away, is he automatically condemend to a life of drug abuse and prostition? You want to cure the headache by cutting off the head, literally. Give the kid a chance. besides there is always a chance they may get hit and killed by a bus before they become to much of a burden for you to bear.

Ok I am not for partial abortions. I have said this several times.

and yes 9/10 kids that are in homes of abusive of drug addict homes end up on the street and repeating the cycle and using up more of our resources and costing more taxes.

Why put them through that abuse and neglect? seriously just because 1 out of 10 might actually succeed in life?

Yes tell that to the next mass murderer when you sentence him to death.

That could be I mean what better place to take it out on people is on a message board were you are annynmous and don't have to face any reprecution for emotional and verbal abuse.

Good point. There is a lot of that on here.

Certain people come here exclusively to insult and harrass other posters.

I find it interesting that they are now finding out that the V.T. shooter was severely picked on growing up and it apparently contributed to his breakdown.

http://www.jonsplace.org/rel/abortion_pics/4_months_alive.jpg

http://www.jonsplace.org/rel/abortion_pics/4_months_alive.jpg

4rth month is second trimester. I have already said several times that I am not for abortion after fetus brainwaves show signs of consciousness and human awareness.

Viability of the Fetus is cited in Roe V Wade as a major consideration of whether to abort, but it leaves the decision to the doctor and the mother.

Good point. There is a lot of that on here.

Certain people come here exclusively to insult and harrass other posters.

I find it interesting that they are now finding out that the V.T. shooter was severely picked on growing up and it apparently contributed to his breakdown.

Yes I know.. his roommates that he interviews were giggling and laughing at the fact that he had an imaginary girlfriend. I am sure every girl he tried to be with those room mates told them he was strange and they were frightened away and he probablky didn't understand why they were frighteded of him or whatever.
Society breds these people.
I hate social politics in school this is why I am in school online. I do not have to deal the clicks and the groupies and social politics. I don't have to "fit in" on line classes. People don't judge me based on my aperance or asking the professor question because I can e-mail him without other people knowing.

Humans are cruel and merciless. You go to jail for punching someone but you can call them things like dumbass, bitch, slut, whore, worthless, useless, loser and everything else in the book and do emtional damage and no one thinks a thing about it and when someone has too much of the emotional damage and commits mass murder we all say..he is crazy..he snapped but no one says ummm maybe if I would have been nicer to him he wouldn't have thought the world was hopeless.

The man saw himself as worthless thus he had not value in his life or anyone elses.
That is what happens when you constantly devalue and degrade a human being.

Humans are cruel and merciless. You go to jail for punching someone but you can call them things like dumbass, bitch, slut, whore, worthless, useless, loser and everything else in the book and do emtional damage and no one thinks a thing about it and when someone has too much of the emotional damage and commits mass murder we all say..he is crazy..he snapped but no one says ummm maybe if I would have been nicer to him he wouldn't have thought the world was hopeless.

The man saw himself as worthless thus he had not value in his life or anyone elses.
That is what happens when you constantly devalue and degrade a human being.

Well Said.

I am not whining about. It is the facts and no kid needs to go through that because some right wing christian is claiming to safe its life.

I have a mental illness called Post Traumatic stress Disorder with comes with depression and anxiety problems and you think I can some how wish this away. This is chemically in my brain not something you think or wish better or have some kind of positive mentality and it is gone.

as usual your ignorance of mental illness and choice of thought process is clear.

First of all, you have no idea what I know. I also had a difficult childhood that resulted in mental illness.

so now you use the VA shooting to justify abortion, you two are scum, plain and simple

so now you use the VA shooting to justify abortion,

Thanks for proving once again that you lack the intellectual capacity to have an intelligent conversation.

First of all, you have no idea what I know. I also had a difficult childhood that resulted in mental illness.
sorry but I call bullshit on that. No one who has been abused or molested would ever use the term "whinning" when someone talks about a tragedy. Therapist are clearing instructed to teach the victim to never let people use that term and other negative terminology such as "just get over it" "playing the victim" and other such nonsense that is self destructive and devalues the pain and suffering of the survivor.

I don't know if you sought therapy for your issues but maybe you should have because you are very insentive to the pain and suffering of others to demean it like that.

I have had years of therapy and I have been instructed on many occassions to call out people who demean me when I open up about the trauma and abuse.

hwatching you two pat each other ont he back for agreeing with one another on this is not an intellectual conversation.

I don't know if you sought therapy for your issues but maybe you should have because you are very insentive to the pain and suffering of others to demean it like that. Would you please quit talking out of your ass? I know there's a lot it wants to say, but really, it needs to just shut the hell up.

so now you use the VA shooting to justify abortion, you two are scum, plain and simple

no we were talking about how people who emotional abuse a person who is different from them can cause that person to snap if they have mental issues.

I don't think the shooters mother wanted an abortion or that the shooter was an unwanted baby or anything.

It was off topic we were talking about humans treat each other affect thier mental health.

in relations if you check out many criminals back ground you will find they were either neglected, molested or abused. It is proven that children who are exposed to this over and over again thier brains actally shrink and parts of the brain to do with empathy and feeling shut down. Thus you get criminal behavior and other self destructive personalities.

Would you please quit talking out of your ass? I know there's a lot it wants to say, but really, it needs to just shut the hell up.

No I will not shut up. I am hardly talking out of my ass. Has this person gotten therapy for thier mental illness I want to know because no therapist that I know of would ever tell someone that it is acceptable to tell another victim that they are whinning when they express thier experience of a traumatic event.

there is free speech here. I can say what I want. You don't like it don't read my posts!!!

I know exactly what I am talking about and your just mad you can't use the old "victim mentality on me"

Look, retard, you know all of jack shit about anybody posting here. I don't know what kind of bullshit sob story you have about people not liking you, and I don't give a fuck. Point is, when you insult one of my friends in the way you just did, you get to hear it from me. Okay, lard-ass?

sorry but I call bullshit on that. No one who has been abused or molested would ever use the term "whinning" when someone talks about a tragedy. Therapist are clearing instructed to teach the victim to never let people use that term and other negative terminology such as "just get over it" "playing the victim" and other such nonsense that is self destructive and devalues the pain and suffering of the survivor.

I don't know if you sought therapy for your issues but maybe you should have because you are very insentive to the pain and suffering of others to demean it like that.

I have had years of therapy and I have been instructed on many occassions to call out people who demean me when I open up about the trauma and abuse.
I was never molested or abused during childhood, that didn't happen until I had some horrible boyfriends as a teenager... And yes I have been to a therapist. My therapist told me that I would never be able to get past my childhood if I didn't stop dwelling on it and basically get over it. I worked through my issues and my bitterness against my parents, and I am still working through a little bit of that, things that have happened since I stopped going to therapy. Maybe you are going to therapy but it doesn't seem like you're trying too hard to get past your issues. If your brain chemistry is the problem, why are you not on medication?

Don't waste any effort on Napster.

He doesn't deserve any more energy than it takes to put his useless ass on ignore.

Look, retard, you know all of jack shit about anybody posting here. I don't know what kind of bullshit sob story you have about people not liking you, and I don't give a fuck. Point is, when you insult one of my friends in the way you just did, you get to hear it from me. Okay, lard-ass?
Nappy, stop that. You're being unnecessarily rude again.

Look, retard, you know all of jack shit about anybody posting here. I don't know what kind of bullshit sob story you have about people not liking you, and I don't give a fuck. Point is, when you insult one of my friends in the way you just did, you get to hear it from me. Okay, lard-ass?

Oh yes calling me names again.. must be a republican. When did I insult anyone. I asked a simple question and I called bullshit that this person claims to have been victimized because people who are victimized don't say other people who are victimized are whinning.

I am not afraid of you? what are you going to do about it? Seriously. Trying to intimated me somehow please.

I never complained about people not liking me where did you get that shit from. I have said many time before I don't need anyone on this board to be my friend. I am not here to make friends.

Funny since your friend started the shit with me first saying I am whinning and when I fight back her friends have to back her up because she can't hold her own. How cheap.

Seriously...your lame and I am not afriad of anything you have to say or do.
:rolleyes:

Hell, no I won't! I've been looking for a reason to lay into her ever since she started infecting the boards. Whine about this, whine about that! "Nobody loves me! I get picked on in school!" I've known fat welfare queens who actually had a sense of humor, and could hold a conversation for more than two minutes without turning into a blubbering retard. Why can't she? It's that goddamn victim complex.

Oh yes calling me names again.. must be a republican. When did I insult anyone. I asked a simple question and I called bullshit that this person claims to have been victimized because people who are victimized don't say other people who are victimized are whinning.

I am not afraid of you? what are you going to do about it? Seriously. Trying to intimated me somehow please.

I never complained about people not liking me where did you get that shit from. I have said many time before I don't need anyone on this board to be my friend. I am not here to make friends.

Funny since your friend started the shit with me first saying I am whinning and when I fight back her friends have to back her up because she can't hold her own. How cheap.

Seriously...your lame and I am not afriad of anything you have to say or do.
:rolleyes:
Yak, yak, yak. Why don't you go hop on a treadmill? If you know what it takes to lose weight, why aren't you just fucking doing it? I know one thing. Making three thousand posts of the same bullshit minute after minute here isn't getting it done.

Oh yes calling me names again.. must be a republican. When did I insult anyone. I asked a simple question and I called bullshit that this person claims to have been victimized because people who are victimized don't say other people who are victimized are whinning.

I am not afraid of you? what are you going to do about it? Seriously. Trying to intimated me somehow please.

I never complained about people not liking me where did you get that shit from. I have said many time before I don't need anyone on this board to be my friend. I am not here to make friends.

Funny since your friend started the shit with me first saying I am whinning and when I fight back her friends have to back her up because she can't hold her own. How cheap.

Seriously...your lame and I am not afriad of anything you have to say or do.
:rolleyes:
Please stop. I do not need anyone else to defend me. In fact, before you posted this, I posted telling Napster to STOP insulting you and being mean to you. He does that to everyone, and I think it's terrible.

I was never molested or abused during childhood, that didn't happen until I had some horrible boyfriends as a teenager... And yes I have been to a therapist. My therapist told me that I would never be able to get past my childhood if I didn't stop dwelling on it and basically get over it. I worked through my issues and my bitterness against my parents, and I am still working through a little bit of that, things that have happened since I stopped going to therapy. Maybe you are going to therapy but it doesn't seem like you're trying too hard to get past your issues. If your brain chemistry is the problem, why are you not on medication?

well your therapist got thier degree from a cereal box because no one just gets over it and you have to go back to the truamatic event over and over again to deal with and heal you can't just ignore it and wish it better.

I have said before and I will say it again I am on medication and I am in therapy and I have the complex form of PTSD which will not ever go away. I can manage it but my brain is hardwired in many ways and cannot be undone. Medication only keeps me from being severely depressed and having panic attacks it does not take away the emotional pain. I have flash backs that I have no control over it wont let me forget.

I have a right to bring it up when it is revelant and I beleive that unwanted kids are abused and neglected and end up like me. I didn't deserve to be forced into that kind of life because someone wanted to save me yet gave me a shitty quality of life.

It has cost society 10,000 of thousands of dollars on my medication, doctors, therapist, housing,food and I am made to feel like shit about it on a daily basis for being a burden on society yet these are same people who forced me into existance.

I don't do it to everyone!

well your therapist got thier degree from a cereal box because no one just gets over it and you have to go back to the truamatic event over and over again to deal with and heal you can't just ignore it and wish it better.
So much fucking bullshit. Did she say she had PTSD?

Yak, yak, yak. Why don't you go hop on a treadmill? If you know what it takes to lose weight, why aren't you just fucking doing it? I know one thing. Making three thousand posts of the same bullshit minute after minute here isn't getting it done.

LOL
D.E.P.R.E.S.S.I.O.N!!

I have depression and anxiety problems. I don't have a tread mill and cannot afford one or have space for it and if I had one I probably didn't have the energy to do it because of my
DEPRESSION!!

I am thinking of getting a membership at the Y but I don't know if I will actually go because of my social anxieties and the fact that I will probablly get into a fight with some load mouth bytch who looked at me the wrong way or made a rude comment or something.

You criticzing my weight doesn't even phase me. I have accepted by wieght. My husband loves me regardless of my weight and my children loves me dispite of my weight. I need nothing else.

LOL
D.E.P.R.E.S.S.I.O.N!!

I have depression and anxiety problems. I don't have a tread mill and cannot afford one or have space for it and if I had one I probably didn't have the energy to do it because of my
DEPRESSION!!
Sounds to me like you're just using depression as an excuse. You don't get over depression by sitting around doing nothing, you get over it by DOING things.

So much fucking bullshit. Did she say she had PTSD?


any kind of trauma has to be gone to over and over again to deal with the pain and heal from it.

You cannot heal by hiding from it and not facing it. PTSD or any other mental illness due to abuse.

How do you know it is bullshit are you a fucking therapist now? Have you ever lived through child abuse? what the fuck do you know?

LOL
D.E.P.R.E.S.S.I.O.N!!

I have depression and anxiety problems. I don't have a tread mill and cannot afford one or have space for it and if I had one I probably didn't have the energy to do it because of my
DEPRESSION!!

I am thinking of getting a membership at the Y but I don't know if I will actually go because of my social anxieties and the fact that I will probablly get into a fight with some load mouth bytch who looked at me the wrong way or made a rude comment or something.

You criticzing my weight doesn't even phase me. I have accepted by wieght. My husband loves me regardless of my weight and my children loves me dispite of my weight. I need nothing else.
I've been depressed. Doesn't stop me from doing shit to better my life. You just have to fucking do it. Stop the complaining, stop the bitching, and just fucking do it. Ain't nothing special about being depressed, sweetheart. If your hubby loves you so damn much why are you depressed? Cause you just can't see your ass out of a paper bag. Fucking victim.

well your therapist got thier degree from a cereal box because no one just gets over it and you have to go back to the truamatic event over and over again to deal with and heal you can't just ignore it and wish it better.

I have said before and I will say it again I am on medication and I am in therapy and I have the complex form of PTSD which will not ever go away. I can manage it but my brain is hardwired in many ways and cannot be undone. Medication only keeps me from being severely depressed and having panic attacks it does not take away the emotional pain. I have flash backs that I have no control over it wont let me forget.

I have a right to bring it up when it is revelant and I beleive that unwanted kids are abused and neglected and end up like me. I didn't deserve to be forced into that kind of life because someone wanted to save me yet gave me a shitty quality of life.

It has cost society 10,000 of thousands of dollars on my medication, doctors, therapist, housing,food and I am made to feel like shit about it on a daily basis for being a burden on society yet these are same people who forced me into existance.
I feel sorry for you. I don't know much about PTSD but I do know that with depression you will feel a little better if you keep a good attitude. Telling yourself that it will NEVER go away will just make it impossible for it to go away.

Sounds to me like you're just using depression as an excuse. You don't get over depression by sitting around doing nothing, you get over it by DOING things.

Wrong and I have been diagnosed with Depression and anxiety disorder by several therapist and one pyschologist.

Not and excuse a true problem.

Ever had depression? Do you know what it is like to feel like you are better off dead? Everything around you seems dull and worthless. It is like a bottomless pit that consumes you. The world is disorted into a black hole. You see doom and gloom everywhere and nothing is worth existing anymore.

You couldn't possibly understand please do research before you assume somenoe is using depression as an excuse to be lazy.

You could cause somone to become suicidal with that kind of talk. You should take depression very seriously and mental illness very seriously.

WHAT IS A DEPRESSIVE DISORDER?
A depressive disorder is an illness that involves the body, mood, and thoughts. It affects the way a person eats and sleeps, the way one feels about oneself, and the way one thinks about things. A depressive disorder is not the same as a passing blue mood. It is not a sign of personal weakness or a condition that can be willed or wished away. People with a depressive illness cannot merely "pull themselves together" and get better. Without treatment, symptoms can last for weeks, months, or years. Appropriate treatment, however, can help most people who suffer from depression.

TYPES OF DEPRESSION
Depressive disorders come in different forms, just as is the case with other illnesses such as heart disease. This pamphlet briefly describes three of the most common types of depressive disorders. However, within these types there are variations in the number of symptoms, their severity, and persistence.

Major depression is manifested by a combination of symptoms (see symptom list) that interfere with the ability to work, study, sleep, eat, and enjoy once pleasurable activities. Such a disabling episode of depression may occur only once but more commonly occurs several times in a lifetime.

A less severe type of depression, dysthymia, involves long-term, chronic symptoms that do not disable, but keep one from functioning well or from feeling good. Many people with dysthymia also experience major depressive episodes at some time in their lives.

Another type of depression is bipolar disorder, also called manic-depressive illness. Not nearly as prevalent as other forms of depressive disorders, bipolar disorder is characterized by cycling mood changes: severe highs (mania) and lows (depression). Sometimes the mood switches are dramatic and rapid, but most often they are gradual. When in the depressed cycle, an individual can have any or all of the symptoms of a depressive disorder. When in the manic cycle, the individual may be overactive, overtalkative, and have a great deal of energy. Mania often affects thinking, judgment, and social behavior in ways that cause serious problems and embarrassment. For example, the individual in a manic phase may feel elated, full of grand schemes that might range from unwise business decisions to romantic sprees. Mania, left untreated, may worsen to a psychotic state.

SYMPTOMS OF DEPRESSION AND MANIA
Not everyone who is depressed or manic experiences every symptom. Some people experience a few symptoms, some many. Severity of symptoms varies with individuals and also varies over time.

Depression
Persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood
Feelings of hopelessness, pessimism
Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness
Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex
Decreased energy, fatigue, being "slowed down"
Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
Insomnia, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
Appetite and/or weight loss or overeating and weight gain
Thoughts of death or suicide; suicide attempts
Restlessness, irritability
Persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain
Mania
Abnormal or excessive elation
Unusual irritability
Decreased need for sleep
Grandiose notions
Increased talking
Racing thoughts
Increased sexual desire
Markedly increased energy
Poor judgment
Inappropriate social behavior
CAUSES OF DEPRESSION
Some types of depression run in families, suggesting that a biological vulnerability can be inherited. This seems to be the case with bipolar disorder. Studies of families in which members of each generation develop bipolar disorder found that those with the illness have a somewhat different genetic makeup than those who do not get ill. However, the reverse is not true: Not everybody with the genetic makeup that causes vulnerability to bipolar disorder will have the illness. Apparently additional factors, possibly stresses at home, work, or school, are involved in its onset.

In some families, major depression also seems to occur generation after generation. However, it can also occur in people who have no family history of depression. Whether inherited or not, major depressive disorder is often associated with changes in brain structures or brain function.

People who have low self-esteem, who consistently view themselves and the world with pessimism or who are readily overwhelmed by stress, are prone to depression. Whether this represents a psychological predisposition or an early form of the illness is not clear.

In recent years, researchers have shown that physical changes in the body can be accompanied by mental changes as well. Medical illnesses such as stroke, a heart attack, cancer, Parkinson's disease, and hormonal disorders can cause depressive illness, making the sick person apathetic and unwilling to care for his or her physical needs, thus prolonging the recovery period. Also, a serious loss, difficult relationship, financial problem, or any stressful (unwelcome or even desired) change in life patterns can trigger a depressive episode. Very often, a combination of genetic, psychological, and environmental factors is involved in the onset of a depressive disorder. Later episodes of illness typically are precipitated by only mild stresses, or none at all.

Depression in Women
Women experience depression about twice as often as men.1 Many hormonal factors may contribute to the increased rate of depression in women particularly such factors as menstrual cycle changes, pregnancy, miscarriage, postpartum period, pre-menopause, and menopause. Many women also face additional stresses such as responsibilities both at work and home, single parenthood, and caring for children and for aging parents.

A recent NIMH study showed that in the case of severe premenstrual syndrome (PMS), women with a preexisting vulnerability to PMS experienced relief from mood and physical symptoms when their sex hormones were suppressed. Shortly after the hormones were re-introduced, they again developed symptoms of PMS. Women without a history of PMS reported no effects of the hormonal manipulation.6,7

Many women are also particularly vulnerable after the birth of a baby. The hormonal and physical changes, as well as the added responsibility of a new life, can be factors that lead to postpartum depression in some women. While transient "blues" are common in new mothers, a full-blown depressive episode is not a normal occurrence and requires active intervention. Treatment by a sympathetic physician and the family's emotional support for the new mother are prime considerations in aiding her to recover her physical and mental well-being and her ability to care for and enjoy the infant.

any kind of trauma has to be gone to over and over again to deal with the pain and heal from it.

You cannot heal by hiding from it and not facing it. PTSD or any other mental illness due to abuse.

How do you know it is bullshit are you a fucking therapist now? Have you ever lived through child abuse? what the fuck do you know?
I'm a better goddamn therapist than any other retarded fuck you've seen. You know why society has therapists? Cause they want validation. They want to be told nothing's wrong with them. They want an excuse. And they'll pay out the nose to get it. You got some head trips? Work around them. No problem is too small for the human intellect. Get a psychoanalyist and get on some drugs. Keep fucking around with the dosages until you get it right. Then take your life into your own hands.

Wrong and I have been diagnosed with Depression and anxiety disorder by several therapist and one pyschologist.

Not and excuse a true problem.

Ever had depression? Do you know what it is like to feel like you are better off dead? Everything around you seems dull and worthless. It is like a bottomless pit that consumes you. The world is disorted into a black hole. You see doom and gloom everywhere and nothing is worth existing anymore.

You couldn't possibly understand please do research before you assume somenoe is using depression as an excuse to be lazy.

You could cause somone to become suicidal with that kind of talk. You should take depression very seriously and mental illness very seriously.
Oh, I never doubted that you're actually depressed. That's not at all what I meant. I'm merely saying that you're using the fact that you're depressed as an excuse not to do things. If you just sit around feeling sorry for yourself, you will never get better. That's why you need to DO something. What is that? Whatever you want. Exercise, a job that challenges you, volunteering, something. Not sitting around yelling at people on message boards saying how bad you feel.

:rolleyes: I've been depressed. Doesn't stop me from doing shit to better my life. You just have to fucking do it. Stop the complaining, stop the bitching, and just fucking do it. Ain't nothing special about being depressed, sweetheart. If your hubby loves you so damn much why are you depressed? Cause you just can't see your ass out of a paper bag. Fucking victim.

There are varying degrees of depression from mild to severe. Just because you can function during depressional episodes and suck it up doesn't mean eveyone can do it.

I am a surviver not a victim. Please refer it correctly.

Look if I had the energy I would lose weight. I would like nothing more than to not go out in society eat some icecream and not be starred at because of it. I would love to fit in a size 8 clothes ect and so on but I cannot do it right now and you really do not motivate m.
You know what you make me feel like doing right now. Drowing myself in a bottle of alcohol. Maybe eating a whole cake or something self destructive like that.
My life could be perfect and the chemicals in my brain still make me depressed. My husband does love me and my kids love me. I have a beautiful house, a new car, bills all paid, no debt and I am still depressed

Depression is a chemical imbalance it is not something any outside influenced to make it better.

You would understand but to make it short for you. I have survived so long in my life that now that everything is better my mind still thinks my life is threatened. I am safe but in my mind I still think something bad will happen any moment and when your body is filled with adrinellen for so long it causes depression.

but I wouldn't expect you to understand

I'm a better goddamn therapist than any other retarded fuck you've seen. You know why society has therapists? Cause they want validation. They want to be told nothing's wrong with them. They want an excuse. And they'll pay out the nose to get it. You got some head trips? Work around them. No problem is too small for the human intellect. Get a psychoanalyist and get on some drugs. Keep fucking around with the dosages until you get it right. Then take your life into your own hands.
That was just inappropriate.

And by the way Warrior, I have bipolar disorder. In case you were wondering.

You're a fucking victim. I don't want to hear that "depression survivor" bullshit. You didn't get over cancer. That's something to be proud of.

If I make you feel like eating a cake, you shouldn't be posting on the fucking Internet. Here's an idea! Goddamn, I'm a genius! Why don't you, before you sit down and persist bothering us all with your uninteresting garbage, go outside and walk half a mile. You're obviously not depressed when you're here, what a great time to get some exercise! After you've had your walk, then you can come bother us. If you can start doing that, I guarandamntee you I won't mess with your addled ass again.

You know, (I know you wouldn't know this, because you never do it) exercise makes you feel good. What a concept! Not only will you be working your weight off, you'll be feeling good about it too!

Oh, I never doubted that you're actually depressed. That's not at all what I meant. I'm merely saying that you're using the fact that you're depressed as an excuse not to do things. If you just sit around feeling sorry for yourself, you will never get better. That's why you need to DO something. What is that? Whatever you want. Exercise, a job that challenges you, volunteering, something. Not sitting around yelling at people on message boards saying how bad you feel.

I am in school full time getting a batchelor degree in business administration. I go to therapy and take my meds the way I am supose to. I do not yell at anyone on the message boards that is simply not true. I do not attack individuals unless they attack me first. I am a polarizing person with my views and I am aggrivated with Chrisitans in general but I am just as hard on muslims as christians. So don't think I single out christians. I never started saying how bad I feel until people discussed abortion and that woman should be forced to have unwanted children. I discussed what it is like to be an unwanted child and then someone claimed I was whinning when I simply defending the unwanted children and what is really going on with them from my personal experience.
Then I get assulted about being fat and people claim I am not really depressed. Thus the topic of depression comes up.

You know, when you're on the internet, you don't have to be a fat, unhappy slob. You could be a cool, handsome winner! Then people might start treating you like one!

You're a fucking victim. I don't want to hear that "depression survivor" bullshit. You didn't get over cancer. That's something to be proud of.

If I make you feel like eating a cake, you shouldn't be posting on the fucking Internet. Here's an idea! Goddamn, I'm a genius! Why don't you, before you sit down and persist bothering us all with your uninteresting garbage, go outside and walk half a mile. You're obviously not depressed when you're here, what a great time to get some exercise! After you've had your walk, then you can come bother us. If you can start doing that, I guarandamntee you I won't mess with your addled ass again.

You know, (I know you wouldn't know this, because you never do it) exercise makes you feel good. What a concept! Not only will you be working your weight off, you'll be feeling good about it too!


I do not like walking around this neighbor because I live in a rich neighborhood with a bunch of skinny bitches who stare and laugh at me. I a sorry but I am not going to do this

My drivers lisence expired and I am renewing it and when I take my drivers test again I am getting a membership at the Y and going to go there because people more of my social class go there and they have daycare for my 3 year old and Winter my 6 year old is in school.

But I do not know if I can get over my anxiety. Yes exercise would make me feel better but you have no idea how hard it is to go out my front door. I wish you understand the anxiety I have about other people. YOu must understand most of the people in my life when I was growingupwere not safe. My mind still thinks the world is unsafe.

You do not understand. I don't know why I try to expain it to you.:rolleyes:

by the way I had bought me a hip hop DVD and kick boxing DVD and used them for two weeks and damaged my knees. Aparently because of my wieght and the high impact exercise caused perment damage to the cartledge in my knee cap. I know have perment damage.

You know, when you're on the internet, you don't have to be a fat, unhappy slob. You could be a cool, handsome winner! Then people might start treating you like one!


LOL you are so not motivating. I am being patient with you because I know you simply lack experience or empathy.

I am a beautiful woman dispite my weight and I am very much a winner because I am going to school full time while handi capped and I have not killed anyone or physically hurt anyone. I am a winner because I love my kids and hug and kiss them and treat them with respect and dignity.

I do not need to be skinny to be a winner and I do not need to be agreeable to be a winner.

I don't go around verbally and emotionally abusing people as you do. YOu are a very ugly person inside and I think you need professional help for narcissism.

I feel sorry if you have kids or a mate because you are very insensitive and unkind.

Yes exercise would make me feel better but you have no idea how hard it is to go out my front door.
What, you don't fit?

Look, I've heard the excuse before. I don't buy it. My next door neighbor walks down this street every fucking day. Instead of laughing at him, we smile because we know the guy is actually doing something. And guess what? He looks a lot better than he did two years ago. And our neighborhood isn't cheap. If I don't bother you, why should the assholes staring at you? You're used to it, right? After a few weeks, no one will even bother to look.

Don't buy a membership to a gym. Gyms are the biggest waste of money ever. It's the rich man's way of losing weight. Guess what? They never go, so they never lose weight. They make up excuses about how they're too busy.

If you're afraid, drag your husband or one of your kids along with you. Instruct them to calm you down if you get anxious.

What, you don't fit?

Look, I've heard the excuse before. I don't buy it. My next door neighbor walks down this street every fucking day. Instead of laughing at him, we smile because we know the guy is actually doing something. And guess what? He looks a lot better than he did two years ago. And our neighborhood isn't cheap. If I don't bother you, why should the assholes staring at you? You're used to it, right? After a few weeks, no one will even bother to look.

Don't buy a membership to a gym. Gyms are the biggest waste of money ever. It's the rich man's way of losing weight. Guess what? They never go, so they never lose weight. They make up excuses about how they're too busy.

If you're afraid, drag your husband or one of your kids along with you. Instruct them to calm you down if you get anxious.

The Y is only 30 buck a month and they have a swimming pool. I need exercise that is low impact because my knees are damaged now.

maybe your neighborhood is good by mine is not so good and people are not so friendly. Some are..

I will go I promise just give me time to get my liscence. I have tried to do it on my own and I can't but if I go to a gym I will feel stupid just standing around and seeing other people work out may help me.

Richard is at work all day so I cannot take him, winter is in school and Rain 3 I would love to take with me bu there is no side walk and I have scary thought of her getting in the road and someone hitting her with a car.

I do not need to be agreeable to be a winner.
If you bitch like a loser, that makes you a loser. Why do you lead with, "I'm a depressed fatty," and not with, "I have a husband and kids that love me?" One of these makes a good impression on people, and the other doesn't. Guess which?

If we have to drag that fact out of you, then it must not be a defining part of your life. You identify more with being a scale tipping basket case than with the stuff that makes you happy.

Guess what? I don't always feel like a million bucks. Sometimes, holy shit, I feel like killing myself. Does it affect me? You better believe. Do I bitch about it to everyone within hearing radius? Fuck no! When I tell people I'm a winner, I feel like a winner. When I used to tell people I was a loser, (a long, long time ago) I felt like a loser. Now you have to drag the fact that sometimes I feel like shit out of me, cause guess what? I don't identify with it. You do, and it fucks with your world.

If you bitch like a loser, that makes you a loser. Why do you lead with, "I'm a depressed fatty," and not with, "I have a husband and kids that love me?" One of these makes a good impression on people, and the other doesn't. Guess which?

If we have to drag that fact out of you, then it must not be a defining part of your life. You identify more with being a scale tipping basket case than with the stuff that makes you happy.

Guess what? I don't always feel like a million bucks. Sometimes, holy shit, I feel like killing myself. Does it affect me? You better believe. Do I bitch about it to everyone within hearing radius? Fuck no! When I tell people I'm a winner, I feel like a winner. When I used to tell people I was a loser, (a long, long time ago) I felt like a loser. Now you have to drag the fact that sometimes I feel like shit out of me, cause guess what? I don't identify with it. You do, and it fucks with your world.

I never lead with I am a depressed fatty when did I say that. Now you are just being abusive and I refuse to listen to what you have to say.

Jesus you are truly fucked up to think it is acceptable to treat people like this. Who the fuck do you think you are?

I am being who I am and who I am is many things not just "depressed fatty"

I am not doing jack shit for you or anyone else. When I am ready I will lose weight and when I have had enough therapy I will be over depression.

You or anyone else not going to force be to get bette by bashing me and verbally and emtionally abusing me.

In fact you only make me sicker and more mentally depressed. Keep putting years on to my disability. It is your tax dollars.

Some are..
So, find the one that is, be real real nice to her, (not like you post here) and after getting to know her and inviting her over for dinner, ask her/him if they will accompany you. Don't lead with it, or they'll never say yes. Be their friend first. Of course, you actually have to be agreeable and friendly, and that might be a problem. But I'm sure you can pull it off.

Dude I am agreeable and friendly to friendly people. I am an ass when people are an ass to me.
When I am around nice people I have flashbacks. You have no idea what I go through trying to socialize with people.

In fact you only make me sicker and more mentally depressed. Keep putting years on to my disability. It is your tax dollars.
Keep playing a goddamn victim. I don't give a fuck. I thought you didn't care? I just want you to stop infecting these forums with ten thousand worthless depressed opinions. I told you. Commit to something (not a gym) and I'll get off your back. I know your type. Needs a foot up the ass to do anything. You should be thanking me. Tens of thousands of people pay good money for the privilege of having someone else tell them what to do to lose weight. I give it to you free of charge. Just do it. You'll thank me later.

Dude I am agreeable and friendly to friendly people. I am an ass when people are an ass to me.
When I am around nice people I have flashbacks. You have no idea what I go through trying to socialize with people.
So befriend an asshole then. Tell them to yell at you and scream at you. Whatever it takes. Shit, I'd do it.

Warrior, I don't really know what Napster is saying to you, but put him on ignore. I did it a long time ago and I've felt way better since, I don't have to listen to incorrect and stupid posts that are hurtful.

He just does it to make himself feel better about his life since he has nothing going for him. Just ignore him, I did.

Warrior, I don't really know what Napster is saying to you, but put him on ignore. I did it a long time ago and I've felt way better since, I don't have to listen to incorrect and stupid posts that are hurtful.

He just does it to make himself feel better about his life since he has nothing going for him. Just ignore him, I did.

yes
I see he is very abusive. I do need to set up more boundries and hit the ignore button. I guess I feel like I am censoring them or not giving them a chance or something.

Thanks for the kind words.

OD - just out of interest, if you have him on ignore, how did you read his post

yes
I see he is very abusive. I do need to set up more boundries and hit the ignore button. I guess I feel like I am censoring them or not giving them a chance or something.

Thanks for the kind words.
Honestly I'd say ignore him too. Once he has decided that he doesn't like you, you won't get anything but abuse from him. I happen to be friends with him, but I often tell him that he crosses the line...

Are you even going to do that? Or are you going to go on and on about how you "need" to do it, but never do?

I hold no illusions. I'm a fucking asshole. But that's not all that I am. I stick up for my friends, and I am honest to a fault. I say all the stuff other people wish they had the balls to say. I've been known to make a few people laugh, once in awhile. I'm pretty good at making a point and defending it. You can put me on ignore, I really don't give a fuck. You wouldn't be the first to do it. It will tell the rest of the board a little something about yourself, though.

Some people just can't stand to be challenged. If that's you, you should probably just hit the button. Because I have a hunch that you and me just won't never get along.

OD - just out of interest, if you have him on ignore, how did you read his post
When other people quote me, they get to see my words in all their pristine glory!

Once he has decided that he doesn't like you, you won't get anything but abuse from him.
I didn't like Drew before, I'm liking him better now.

I didn't like Drew before, I'm liking him better now.
I get the feeling that you won't ever like Warrior any more than you do now.

Hey, it could happen! She could find an intelligent voice to post in. She might lose the victim complex. She might even, gasp, find a sense of humor!

OD - just out of interest, if you have him on ignore, how did you read his post

Probably saw it when someone else quoted his ridiculous drivel.

Believe it or not some people actually still read his crap.

It's easy to make cracks when you don't have to listen to the reprisals.

challenging is different than abuse.

Not really all that different.

challenging is different than abuse.

If you are responding to something Nappy said, I really don't think he can tell the difference.

yes do you have any adopted kids? I mean honestly you give money but do you really put in your two cents and adopt all these unwanted kids in adoptions centers... how about foster care? Surely you are a foster parent since you care so much for the welfare of these children?

Please show me how you contribute to the wellbeing of these unwanted kids other than sending some spare change to the nearest charity.


Dharma,

I married a widow with three children who I have raised as my own. I have in the past had children living at my house who were neither mine nor my wife's. I spent years volunteering at a camp for physically, mentally and emotionally handicapped children and adults. I spent years as a special olympics volunteer.

What have you done?

when you take away the dignity and worth of someone when trying to make a point it is emotional abuse.

challenging someone is correcting them without making personal attacks.

Dharma,

I married a widow with three children who I have raised as my own. I have in the past had children living at my house who were neither mine nor my wife's. I spent years volunteering at a camp for physically, mentally and emotionally handicapped children and adults. I spent years as a special olympics volunteer.

What have you done?

I spend time in homeless shelters teaching people about mental illnesses and not to be afraid of asking for help and not be afriad of it.

They don't let me around kids that are not my own because of my disabiltiy. Because of people like the VT shooter. Anyone with a mental illness is frowned upon to work with kids.

So it is not that I do not want to help people wont let me help.

It must get lonely in Dharma's world, no one around to tell him what a loser he really is.

when you take away the dignity and worth of someone when trying to make a point it is emotional abuse.

challenging someone is correcting them without making personal attacks.
Go find a support group if you want to be coddled. You won't get coddled here.