Wow, just heard about this, sucks.

ATTENTION is what these killers crave. Don't give it to them.
He's dead, ren. Why should we take into account that he wants attention?

He's dead, ren. Why should we take into account that he wants attention?

I think the idea is not to make it look attractive for the next nutcase.

I think the idea is not to make it look attractive for the next nutcase.
Exactly.

I heard about it late last night. My parents are visiting so I haven't been up to date on it. How very sad and tragic.

What I was wondering was why didn't the group of people that were in the room getting shot at all bum-rush this dude and take him down? It was obvious some may die but not near as many would have had they went after him and restrained him. or did they try and I have missed it?

http://blog.com.np/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/human%20sea.JPG
This isn't even 10,000 people. One man is supposed to control them with one weapon?

I guess you are right, all those jews and gypsies and commies and homosexuals that died in the camps walked in of their own accord.

Lets say you have 10,000 people in an enclosed area with a man with a machine gun up in a tower. The people could physically overtake him and get out, but they didnt, why not? Even knowing they were all going to die anyway they did nothing. Mainly because no oe wanted to be the first to rsuh the guard or scale the fence, which would mean certain death.
At the end of the war there were cases where tens of thousands of german prisoners were guarded by just a few men. In that case the prisoners probably didnt want to escape, as being a prisoner of the americans was better then fighting against the russians. In any cse, it is not a figment of my imaginatin that large groups of prisoners were controlled by small groups of men, it happened all the time. Obviously one guy can not control 10,000 people walking single file through a city as you seem to think I was implying, but in the right situation it can happen, so it is not impossible.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Selection_Birkenau_ramp.jpg

Well yeah, to put myself in such a situation as mentioned above. If I had an automatic weapon and plenty of rounds, I would feel pretty comfortable guarding a multitude of unarmed people by myself.

By the way it seems the shooter was some crazy South Korean. =\

Evak, that picture you posted. Is it Pamplona.

I guess you are right, all those jews and gypsies and commies and homosexuals that died in the camps walked in of their own accord.
Listen trav. I won't address this any further.

One man cannot control 10,000 people. It is physically impossible even when single file (which I never said so you pulled that out of thin air). You can't do it, even with a gun. It took a great portion of the active and brutal German military--a military numbering in the millions at the time--to control the mass numbers going in and out of the camps, the cities, and so forth.

Now, either stop bugging me or be less of a moron when you do it.

lol, I am sorry, but for someone who doesnt even know that an MG 42 is a machine gun why would anyone believe you know what percent of the german military was tied up in guarding the camps? It wasnt that much of it, because believe it or not they were fighting a two front war at the same time. So please, stop trying to act like you know everything, because you don't.

lol, I am sorry, but for someone who doesnt even know that an MG 42 is a machine gun why would anyone believe you know what percent of the german military was tied up in guarding the camps?
I am fully aware of what the MG 42 was, I was just in a hurry and used rifle as a synonym for gun as I often do because gun is an ugly word. I have seen and touched an Mg 42, I've seen them in movies and games, and have read about them or seen them on television

The point of the conversation is, that you're an imbecile.

Of course, I am an imbicile because you you ore offended by the word gun so you used the word rifle knowing full well what an MG 42 is. Somehow I sense you are full of shit. And no matter what pictures of crowds you post the fact remains, the jews and the other prisoners far outnumbered their captors, and knowing full well they were going to die as slaves or in gas chambers did virtually nothing. If you refuse to believe they were afraid to rush the guy with the gun then I guess you are implying they wanted to be there, since why else would tehy just stay when it was apaprently so easy to leave?

Everyone is going to blame this on gun laws blah blah blah etc., but the truth is, if someone else had a gun this lunatic could have been stopped before the death toll reached 32 people! This is what the 2nd Amendment is for, not only so we can protect ourselves from each other, but from our government as well if need be. Guns don't kill people, people kill people! There are many responsible gun owners with valid concealed hand-gun licenses that are registered with their state and these tragic incidents give the right to bear arms a bad name even though they are taking advantage of what makes our country so great. If we lose our ability to have guns we have no defense against the man. Isn't that how most tyrants come to power? There are many bad people with guns as we saw yesterday, but there should be just as many good people with guns, not just the police. This is not to say that there should not be more accountability and criteria involved in purchasing a gun. I am sure the state of Virginia and many other states will re-evaluate their gun laws following this incident. My sincere condolences and prayers go out to the families of the victims and the whole VTech family.

Trav: 11,606 posts...you pop on here every once and a while. Make a silly comment or clever joke, make fun of liberals, use a strawman, and then disappear for a while. I await your next departure with great enthusiasm.

Now, back to Virginia Tech...or Sudan, or the offices of the NRA...wherever we were.

I know you are embarrassed about misidentifying the MG 42 and then covering up for it with lies but come on, don't go there.

Well yeah, to put myself in such a situation as mentioned above. If I had an automatic weapon and plenty of rounds, I would feel pretty comfortable guarding a multitude of unarmed people by myself.

By the way it seems the shooter was some crazy South Korean. =\

Yeah, the shooter THIS TIME was S. Korean. But others BEFORE him were AMERICAN!

What is your point? Your picture looks as DUMB as you post! Please enlighten us to your thought process. So is it OK if you are AMERICAN to KILL but NOT any other nationality? DO you think only Americans have this right?

KILLING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE period! Taking your own life in the process proves you to be the COWARD you are!

I dont understand how the two of you (evakian and trav) can turn something as horrible and sad as the events in Virgina yesterday into yet another mindless and pathetic pissing contest. Who the fuck cares about which of you knows more about guns? 32 people were killed on a college campus - and Trav you just continue to spew the thoughtless crap you have been spewing for the better part of a half-decade. Evakian - youre just a fucking moron. Strait up.

I'm going to attempt to move this thread back in the direction of it's original intent now.

I posted a thread on the topic, actually. I have became increasingly interested in the motive in this killing. I guess I should direct your thoughts to the other thread on this though.

I dont understand how the two of you (evakian and trav) can turn something as horrible and sad as the events in Virgina yesterday into yet another mindless and pathetic pissing contest.
What do you think life is? This is America, lighten up chap.
Strait up.
If you're going to insult someone's intelligence, at least spell in a way where mistakes can't easily be recognized. Or even better, stop posting.

What do you think life is? This is America, lighten up chap.



I will address this...and then if you wish to continue to thread jack - its your choice.

Life shouldn't be a pissing contest, Evakian. In fact, it's one of America's biggest problems. That kid that killed all those people had the same problem. He was overcome with jealously and ignorance.

Honestly, I cant fathom, though, how someone can take a situation like this and turn into as something as petty and juvenile as you two have accomplished.

What happened yesterday will go down as one of the biggest tragedies in American history - and your well educated response to that development is arguing about your knowledge of guns?

Anyway - that's my two cents. Can we please get back to the real story now?:thumbs:

Everyone is going to blame this on gun laws blah blah blah etc., but the truth is, if someone else had a gun this lunatic could have been stopped before the death toll reached 32 people!

There may be a lot of truth in this statement.
Yet, the gun will be blamed.
I fear that when the gun is unavailable, explosives will be the weapon of choice. Home made explosives, in liquid form and glass containers, would not be detectable by metal detectors.
Explosives can be much more devastating.

I dont understand how the two of you (evakian and trav) can turn something as horrible and sad as the events in Virgina yesterday into yet another mindless and pathetic pissing contest. Who the fuck cares about which of you knows more about guns? 32 people were killed on a college campus - and Trav you just continue to spew the thoughtless crap you have been spewing for the better part of a half-decade. Evakian - youre just a fucking moron. Strait up.

Spot on.

I have had Evakian on ignore since I first started on here and he was making death threats and I haven't missed anything. (hmmm... maybe Evakian should consider some counseling before he goes all virginia tech on someone)

Trav has occasional moments of lucidity.

There may be a lot of truth in this statement.
Yet, the gun will be blamed.
I fear that when the gun is unavailable, explosives will be the weapon of choice. Home made explosives, in liquid form and glass containers, would not be detectable by metal detectors.
Explosives can be much more devastating.


Very true.

You guys can kick this about however and whatever way you want, blame this blame that. At the end of the day, Americas love affair with the gun is to blame, if you arent prepared to change your gun laws, then your children will continue to be massacred from time to time.
Its that simple.

You guys can kick this about however and whatever way you want, blame this blame that. At the end of the day, Americas love affair with the gun is to blame, if you arent prepared to change your gun laws, then your children will continue to be massacred from time to time.
Its that simple.

Well Said.

Yet, the gun will be blamed.
I fear that when the gun is unavailable, explosives will be the weapon of choice.

A moot point.

Guns are never going to be 'unavailable' in this country.

You guys can kick this about however and whatever way you want, blame this blame that.
Yes, we can. Just like you did in the rest of this post.
Its that simple.
No, it's even simpler than that.

That kid that killed all those people had the same problem. He was overcome with jealously and ignorance.
Such amazing insight you have into the workings of a mass murderer. Might you not share with us why you think Evakian resembles such a beast? I hunger for your words, O Wise One.

I have had Evakian on ignore since I first started on here and he was making death threats and I haven't missed anything.
Dharma would like my bedtime prayers then.

"Now I lay me down to sleep.
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
If dharm should die before I wake,
I pray the Lord his soul gets baked.

...in the fiery pits of Hell. Good night Jesus. Amen."

Such amazing insight you have into the workings of a mass murderer. Might you not share with us why you think Evakian resembles such a beast? I hunger for your words, O Wise One.

Has nothing to do with having amazing insite, napster. It's really rather simple.

The kid was obviously secluded and depressed. He was a loner. He was filled with envy for those who wasnt.

over under 4 weeks for a copycat

Has nothing to do with having amazing insite, napster. It's really rather simple.

The kid was obviously secluded and depressed. He was a loner. He was filled with envy for those who wasnt.
Ahh, so you were talking out of your ass. Thanks for clearing that up.

no legislation would have stopped what happened

no legislation would have stopped what happened

Sure it could have. All they needed to do was to declare it a "gun free zone" and then no one would ever dare go on a shooting spree. :rolleyes:

Like, "Free Speech Zones!"

i delcared my house a coors light free zone .. then some broads showed up with it.

Theres a security incident at Virginia Tech right now- CNN

Yes, we can. Just like you did in the rest of this post.

No, it's even simpler than that.
Whats the matter with u.

i delcared my house a coors light free zone .. then some broads showed up with it.
you should have strip searched them...you know, just to make sure they weren't hiding anymore.:thumbs:

Whats the matter with u.
he's Evakian.

Theres a security incident at Virginia Tech right now- CNN

Following the story now, paul...one guy said, "It's over."

Good. Id say everyone down there is jumpy at the minute.

I will address this...and then if you wish to continue to thread jack - its your choice.

Life shouldn't be a pissing contest, Evakian. In fact, it's one of America's biggest problems. That kid that killed all those people had the same problem. He was overcome with jealously and ignorance.

Honestly, I cant fathom, though, how someone can take a situation like this and turn into as something as petty and juvenile as you two have accomplished.

What happened yesterday will go down as one of the biggest tragedies in American history - and your well educated response to that development is arguing about your knowledge of guns?

Anyway - that's my two cents. Can we please get back to the real story now?:thumbs:

you act as if this is the first time a thread has strayed off course. It is an Allforums tradition for threads to vere off course. It started out with someone asking how one guy could line up a whole room of people and shoot them, then I said the same way one nazi with an MG 42 could control 10,000 jews. Evakian disputed the validity of that statement and it went from there. That is how things work around here, you know that. How serious the topic is of no concern.

You guys can kick this about however and whatever way you want, blame this blame that. At the end of the day, Americas love affair with the gun is to blame, if you arent prepared to change your gun laws, then your children will continue to be massacred from time to time.
Its that simple.

Basically agree with your post. But would add that it is more like a cocktail with different aspects mixed together. You need a bunch of different things to come together at the right time; generally perhaps brain chemistry so a physiological component, as well as they way he was socialized (isolated with poor interactive skills) psychological (inability to properly express anger or empathize) environment (easy access to guns).

That is just a general guess but when people say there is no predicting such behavior I think there are basic things that would be present in all most all cases. They just can't predict when it will come together.

over under 4 weeks for a copycat

They are talking about this, they even mentioned it on the same day saying they did not want to generate hysteria but that the likelihood of another such incident increases dramatically after such an event.

you act as if this is the first time a thread has strayed off course. It is an Allforums tradition for threads to vere off course. It started out with someone asking how one guy could line up a whole room of people and shoot them, then I said the same way one nazi with an MG 42 could control 10,000 jews. Evakian disputed the validity of that statement and it went from there. That is how things work around here, you know that. How serious the topic is of no concern.

Travh,

Believe me when I say that I know how easy it is to vere off course and I am well aware that we are all way more guilty of doing so than we probably care to admit.

That said - I couldn't disagree with this part of your post more:

How serious the topic is of no concern.

This should be a concern. Honestly, how many times in our years on this site has something happened to the degree of these killings? Not too many.
Allforums may be notoriously guilty of threadjacking, and sometimes that cant be avoided. Though, when you begin to bicker back and forth and try to see who the big dick is - in a thread devoted to one of the most important news stories we have had the pleasure of debating over the years - it is not only a concern...but highly inappropriate.

You know that I've been a fan of yours Travh - although our political ideologies differ considerably. I just expect better from you in these circumstances. I will defend you a bit, however again, by saying I know how easy it is to vere off course (especially when the catalyst is Evakian.)




To make a long point short - when the topic is this serious..we should be as well.:thumbs:

The shooting is a tragedy. I've avoided reading too much about it because it is so heartbreaking to even think about.

The TV will be full of this story for months, specials on the lifes cut short, it'll be miserable. Specials will run on the anniversary for the next 10 years.

32 dead is a lot - a terrible terrible loss.

170 died today in Iraq, unfortuanately this will get maybe 20 seconds of news and nothing more, not 2 months. There certainly is unjustice in the world.

I share your sentiments exactly Drew. We've been talking about this in a few of my classes and everybody seems pretty shaken up. We can identify with those students because we too are college students, in the same country and even basically in the same region. We know how the survivors feel right now because it's exactly how we would feel in such a situation. What is going on in Iraq right now will certainly be more historically important 50 or 100 years down the road, but for my generation and all those older than us this tragedy holds much higher personal importance.

I share your sentiments exactly Drew. We've been talking about this in a few of my classes and everybody seems pretty shaken up. We can identify with those students because we too are college students, in the same country and even basically in the same region. We know how the survivors feel right now because it's exactly how we would feel in such a situation. What is going on in Iraq right now will certainly be more historically important 50 or 100 years down the road, but for my generation and all those older than us this tragedy holds much higher personal importance.

I agree, and it's understandable that this tragedy being close to home will always offer more connection than anything going on in that mesoptamian shit hole, but I contrast the 20 seconds vs 2 months only to highlight just how disconnected the US population really is from Iraq. I'm as guilty as the next.

I agree, and it's understandable that this tragedy being close to home will always offer more connection than anything going on in that mesoptamian shit hole, but I contrast the 20 seconds vs 2 months only to highlight just how disconnected the US population really is from Iraq. I'm as guilty as the next.

I see your point, Drew - and I agree with it completely. Another thing is that, sadly, people are expected to die when they are at war. It's a terrible truth indeed - but a truth nonetheless. On the other hand, one (much less 30+) is(are) not supposed to die by gunshot on a college campus.

I am not saying that it is fair and just that those who die in Iraq dont get the media coverage and national mourning of those who died in Virginia - it's just the way it is. It really is a sad thing when you look at it from any number of angles.

I'm just as guilty as you and everyone else about taking a situation like this and putting it up on a such importance (though it deserves to be) but overlooking the amazing sacrifice our men and women are making in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all around the world.

Maybe as time goes on - things like Virginia will remind us of the hell in the middle east - but I somehow doubt it.


Good posts Drew. (Nice to see you again btw)

I was actually referring to the 200 civilians that died today in Iraq, many of them young children who never got the luxury to be blown to bits on a US college campus, but had to make do with a car bomb at the local market.

But, you are right to raise the issue of US troop deaths - standing well over 3000 right now. These are mostly all college kid age too. Their sacrifice is amazing you are right, especially amazing when you consider that their deaths achieve absolutely nothing.

If there is any sliver of light that comes from this virginia tragedy - it might be that it forces another national debate on gun control. The only debate surrounding the soldiers deaths is if more of them should be sent to their death for no reason.

i think that we need to take a moment of silence to remember the people involved in that terrible incident.

i think that we need to take a moment of silence to remember the people involved in that terrible incident.


I guess that will be easy to do since the only noise involved in this is the click of a keyboard.

Had a briefing this morning from the Battalion XO about how we (being Americans in Korea, where the shooter was from) should not target Koreans or feel any animosity towards them for this incident. Not like I would anyways, nor do I think anyone else would, but an interesting FYI.

Had a briefing this morning from the Battalion XO about how we (being Americans in Korea, where the shooter was from) should not target Koreans or feel any animosity towards them for this incident. Not like I would anyways, nor do I think anyone else would, but an interesting FYI.

Yeah - I was meaning to ask you if you had heard of any resenment towards the people over there on either side.

Had a briefing this morning from the Battalion XO about how we (being Americans in Korea, where the shooter was from) should not target Koreans or feel any animosity towards them for this incident. Not like I would anyways, nor do I think anyone else would, but an interesting FYI.

I was reading the Korea Herald (which is in English) online and they seemed quite worried that there'd be some sort of backlash. It struck me as odd, but I guess they don't really know how we'd react.

THE grandfather of Cho Seung-Hui said yesterday: "Son of a bitch. It serves him right he died with his victims."

Kim Hyang-Sik, 82, said he had a doom-laden dream of Cho's parents the night of his murderous rampage - and woke to hear the news of the massacre and his grandson's death.

He watched Cho's sick video of himself holding a gun to his head.

His sister Kim Yang-Sun, 85, who also saw it, told the Mirror that afterwards her brother was so distraught he had "gone away for a few days to calm himself down and avoid more questions".

She too repeatedly referred to the killer as "son of a bitch" or "a***hole" and said his mother Kim Hyang-Yim had problems with him from infancy.

Yang-Sun revealed the eight-year-old was diagnosed as autistic soon after his family emigrated to the US.

She said: "He was very quiet and only followed his mother and father around and when others called his name he just answered yes or no but never showed any feelings or motions.

"We started to worry that he was autistic - that was the big concern of his mother. He was even a loner as a child.

"Soon after they got to America his mother was so worried about his inability to talk she took him to hospital and he was diagnosed as autistic."

Yang-Sun spoke at her tiny one roomed shack inside a vinyl farm shelter in the Gohyang area of South Korea's capital Seoul.

The family had stayed there the night before they emigrated in 1992. Yang-Sun said Cho's mother had been reluctant to marry her older husband.

She said: "She had five brothers and sisters and she was the second eldest child. She took care of them after she graduated from high school, which meant a lot of self-sacrifice.

"Hyang-Yim was a full-time house person on one of her parents' small farms outside Seoul. She stayed at home like that for years and was still single at home when she was 29.

"We became worried that she was spending too much time at home with her brothers and sisters and family and getting to old for a husband.

"So the family decided to force her into a blind date to find a husband. She met Cho Sung-Tae on that date. He was 10 years older at 39 and still single too. They decided to get married soon after that.

"She didn't want to but her family insisted because we thought she was getting past the right age and it would be good for her.

"Her husband was very serious and quiet and careful with money. He was not very sociable and not very friendly to his mother-in-law and father-in-law.

"After they were married he went away twice to Saudi Arabia in the 80s to try to make some money in the construction boom. He came back with about £2,000, which was enough to buy a small house in Seoul. He also ran a second-hand bookstore. His mother was living in the States on a long term visit to stay with his sister. She asked him to bring his family to live there.

"His sold the house to pay for the emigration costs and rented instead but there were lots of delays and eventually the whole process to get the permissions and organise things took eight years.

"By that time the money from the house was nearly gone. They were barely making ends meet so they had nothing to lose and had this idea of the American dream where there was a lot of money to be made."

She went on: "The reaction of my brother was that Seung-Hui was a troublemaker and it served him right that he died because he caused his mother a lot of problems. He was more worried about his daughter.

"He spoke to a few reporters to express sympathy to victims' families on behalf of our family but now he has gone away. He is 82 and lives quietly on a small farm and all this is too much for him."

Other relatives admitted Cho's parents had always been aware of his problems but had neither the time nor money for specialist help.

His uncle Chan Kim, 56, said: "He wasn't like a normal kid. We were worried about him not talking.

"Both his parents knew he had mental problems but they were poor and they couldn't send him to a special hospital in the United States.

"His mother and sister were asking his friends to help instead.

"His parents worked and did not have time to look after his condition and didn't give him special treatment.

"They had no time or money to look after his special problem even though they knew he was autistic."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=we-are-glad-he-is-dead-by-cho-s-family--&method=full&objectid=18931479&siteid=89520-name_page.html

That's a sad piece, and I do feel genuinely sorry for his family.

In many ways, they are victims too.

It must have been very hard to be poor and struggling and to not be able to afford to get help for the young boy.
It's obvious he had many problems.

But I believe it's wrong to "blame" his homicidal behavior on autism. There aren't very many reputable studies indicating that the autisitic are homicidally violent. They do display fits of rage but rarely act out with premeditation and malice aforethought, as these crimes clearly showed.

Unarmed And Dangerous
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Posted 4/19/2007

Gun Control: Five years ago, armed college students subdued a gunman embarking on a college killing spree. Last year, Virginia Tech applauded the fact that its students couldn't do the same.

On Jan. 16, 2002 , a killer stalked the campus of the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Va., not far from the site of Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. A disgruntled former student killed Law Dean L. Anthony Sutin, associate professor Thomas Blackwell and a student.

Two of the three law students who overpowered Peter Odighizuwa before he could kill more innocent victims were armed. Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges, seeing the killing spree begin, went to their cars, retrieved their guns and used them to disarm the shooter.

As John Lott Jr. tells it in his book, "The Bias Against Guns" (Regnery, 2003), while most were fleeing the gunman, "Mikael and Tracy were prepared to do something quite different: Both immediately ran to their cars and got their guns. Mikael had to run about one hundred yards to get to his car."

Lott continues: "Along with Ted Besen (who was unarmed), they approached Peter from different sides. As Tracy explains it, "I stopped at my vehicle and got a handgun, a revolver. Ted went toward Peter, and I aimed the gun at (Peter), and Peter tossed his gun down." Then the three jumped on the gunman and the killing stopped.

Bernard Goldberg, in his book "Arrogance" (Warner, 2003), reports how the media reported the tragic events of that day. He notes that Lott did a LexisNexis search and found that only four of 208 news reports mentioned the rescuers had guns. James Eaves-Johnson did his own LexisNexis search for the Daily Iowan (University of Iowa) and found that only two of 88 stories mentioned that armed students subdued the killer and prevented more deaths.

Similarly, few media outlets have mentioned that, in the right-to-carry state of Virginia — whose freshman senator, James Webb, packs heat, and whose aide was caught carrying that gun in a bag onto Senate grounds — the Virginia Tech campus was a gun-free zone. At least for the prey, if not the predators. And Virginia Tech officials wanted it that way.

Last year, House Bill 1572 died in the Virginia General Assembly, failing to even get out of the Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. The legislation was designed, as the Roanoke Times reported, to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit . . . from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

On hearing of the bill's defeat, Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said: "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on campus." And predators like Cho Seung-Hui.

One wonders if Cho Seung-Hui would have even walked on campus with a gun if he knew his victims were able to defend themselves. Or how the story would have been different had Prof. Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who lost his life barricading a classroom door so his students could escape, had been able to fire back.
http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=335463

That's a sad piece, and I do feel genuinely sorry for his family.

In many ways, they are victims too.

It must have been very hard to be poor and struggling and to not be able to afford to get help for the young boy.
It's obvious he had many problems.

But I believe it's wrong to "blame" his homicidal behavior on autism. There aren't very many reputable studies indicating that the autisitic are homicidally violent. They do display fits of rage but rarely act out with premeditation and malice aforethought, as these crimes clearly showed.

Yeah Autism wasn't what set him off. Many pyschologist on CNN said he was a paranoid pychotic.
They say they are the hardest to treat because they are so paranoid even when they go to a therapist they do not tell the therapist what they are really thinking. They say they are out of touch with reality and the person who is a psychotic from thier point of view everything is running normally.

Yes it is sad they could not afford health care for him. This is very often the case for many people with mental healt problems but you see them on the streets and homeless instead of on campus.