Anybody knows?:eek:

Did it really exsist

According to Ethiopian tradition, the Ark is supposed to have been taken in Ethiopia after the temple of Solomon was destroyed.

http://www.webstories.co.nz/focus/etiopia/pix/ark7.jpg

The Ethiopian (who are christian) have a long tradition of being the inheritors of the ancient jews. The Ark is supposed to be in a the church of St-Mary of Zion in Axum. Only one priest, the keeper of the Ark, has access to the shrine where it is supposed to be kept.
I had the luck of visiting Ethiopia in 2000 but unfortunately Axum was not accessible to tourists because of the war with Erythrea, so I have not been able to visit St mary of Zion. Anyway, there, everybody is certain this story is history and not only a legend.

A website about this (many more exist, just try on Google)
http://www.webstories.co.nz/focus/etiopia/ark.html

According to some sources I read it had disappeared by 586 BC after the Babylonians destroyed the temple and carried everything away to Babylon. Is it possible that it got to Babylon and there "melted" or burned? On the other hand, every other person that touched the Ark that shouldn't got smitten. Why not the Babylonians? So did they take it or not? The Old Testament doesn't mention the Ark anymore after the Jews were taken into captivity. Jeremiah has a prophecy about the Ark, but that was way past Solomon, in fact in the days of King Josiah. Since this is not recorded in any history book, in fact not even in the Bible, are there any other explanations?

It is also possible that the Ark never existed. We are not talking about established history but about biblical myths, which are partly true but not entirely.

Biblical myths? The Bible does not contain myths, only the recorded Word of God. If the Bible says, it excisted, it DID. That's why I like to know if anyone has a good explanation where it went! There are lots of things that did excist and no longer do, but that doesn't mean they didn't excist at one time or another. Like Julius Ceasar. Did he excist? Can you prove it? Ever seen him? Ever seen a phot of him? Ever read a book he claimed he wrote? There are some books that bare his name about wars he fought, but do you and I know for certain that HE wrote those? Of closer to home, anyone ever seen Napolean of photo of him, or anything he wrote? So why do we believe both Ceasar and Napolean excisted, but the Bible, God or Jesus, didn't?

The Bible is not to a scientific report but rather a compilation of various oral traditions and texts, not written at the same time and by the same persons. This is why it often contradicts itself. The only part of the Bible which is supposed to be the word of God is the 10 commandments (assuming Moses really met God). Unlike the Koran, the rest is not supposed to have been dictated to prophets by God. All Bible experts, believer or not, agree on that point.

Anyway the whole biblical message is not historical, it is rather philosophical.
But maybe you're from one of those churches who take it all literaly ?

To many hands in the editorial massaging of the Bible over the centuies. Countless translations and versions. In another 100 years, there will be that many more revisions. Nice book, but fictional.

Dear Astrapol2, maybe all "Bible Experts" agree that God didn't speak His word through prophets, but tell me then what means this verse in 2 Peter 1:21, "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."? Either those "Bible Experts" can't read, or Peter is a liar. I happen to believe Peter, not the so-called "experts". So, since the Bible WAS given by God to man through men, I believe that there also was an Ark of the Covenant. The thing is described in great detail. And the Bible is most certainly a historical book, as secular history on many, many points agrees with it. And why would only the 10 Commandments be from God? Ever read all the things that Jesus said?
And, lastly, although it may sound I belong to "one of these churches", I in fact do not belong to any of them: I don't go to church at all. I do however believe that God gave the Bible as His Word to us, and that whatever He says in there is "the law", and that's how He wants us to live.
So back to my first question: anyone knows what happened to the Ark of the Covenant?

Back to my answer, that is the only story I know about it.

Beneck you proved your own point did Julius Ceaser exsist? Same question, is the Bible really the word of GOD? As far as where did the Ark of the Covenant go...did it even exsist? You say it did, some say it didn't, and then some of us question whether it did or not.It goes back to who was the best prez. Some say it is Bush, some say it was Clinton(yuk). When discusing religion it is opinion, not actual proof. Maybe we can't find the Ark because it was never here in the first place. Who REALLY knows?

Mad Dog: I think you misunderstood my point about Julius Ceasar! I was trying to say he did exist and did write the books, it seems "THE experts" agree on that, but because "I" didn't ever see him or know for sure he wrote that book, my point is, "How do I know he existed and wrote it?" Well, with him I don't know, but with Jesus I do know, as anyone can know. You can have a personal experience with Jesus, by getting saved and be born again!
And by the way, I still believe that the best president was John Kennedy...although of course I never met him, and am not sure he existed, even if I saw pictures of him on TV.
Religion is not opinion, at least not "your own" opinion. Religion is knowing that my Redeemer lives, and that He wants me to live like He has told His disciples in the New Testament.
It's true that maybe we can't find the Ark because it never was there in the first place. However, in recent history some remarkable things have been dug up that shed a total different light on ancient history. Like for instance the Rosetta Stone, found in the beginning of the 1800's, and which made it possible for the first time in some 3000 years to read ancient Egyptian hierogliefs. It prooved they actually ment something besides being pretty pictures, but it took a long time before anyone could "proof" if.
Do you think in a courtcase you can proof that Julius Ceasar existed beyond a reasonable doubt? Well, I think you can, and the same goes for Jesus.
Since no one has come up with an answer to where the Ark may be found, maybe it's brought up to Heaven, as John says in the book of Revelation, where he saw it?

Originally posted by mad dog
Some say it is Bush, some say it was Clinton(yuk).
LOL...that was pretty funny, mad dog. Who really would classify either of them as our "best president"?

Beneck...you could reasonably say that a man named Jesus Christ once existed. I believe this. I believe he was merely a man, though, not the son of God or anything. That is something you cannot prove.

Borg I know that you think Bush is the best that is why I used that example :D

Beneck I have also seen some new discoveries that may prove christianity to be the biggest false ever. The folks that are trying to find out or give there theroies are being told that they have to show absolute truth to there findings, before they can come forward. They have found citys in south America that may prove Jesus to be false. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but I still think we should let these folks do there job and show us what they have. Whenever science conflicts with religion everything seems to come to a holt. This is wrong science is very important and should be alowed to show discoveries. In my opinion "it is to bad" if the proof ends up showing that a religion is false(any religion). Some people don't mind going through life blindly I on the other hand would rather see where I am headed. Also this new discovery would also prove that we(humans) did not come from Africa as so many believe. I quess we will have to wait and see what happens.

Hey guys, you don't think John F. Kennedy was the best????
Mad Dog, thanks for that bit of info. However, can you be a bit more detailed? It's like you're dismissing the faith of a few billion people with a few vague words. Can you be more specific?
By the way, if you read the Bible it states very clearly that "man" didn't come from Africa. He was created by God and placed in the Garden of Eden, which was between the rivers Euphrates and Tigris, and both rivers still excist, so we can be fairly certain were it could have been, that is present day Iraq. In Asia, not in Africa.
I also don't believe that we evolved from monkeys, as the THEORY of Evolution lets us know. Maybe it's just that I prefer to have been created by God in His image, rather then have descend from a chimpansee!

Sorry about that Beneck I mixed evolution with religion(I didn't mean too)I was in a hurry.

I was watching discovery a few weeks back and they had an interesting show about this new find "lost city's". The only problem with this find is that it may show alot of false beliefs and one was christianity and also how evolution as happened. There are alot of folks that don't like there faith questioned, so these explores are having the typical red tape bull. They are trying to figure ways of exploring without "stepping on any ones shoes" so to speak. Just imagine if they find something that shows so many wrongs, this world will flip upside down. They are going to show what they find "IF" (and that is a big "IF") they are allowed to dig. This could take years just to get approval, then it is anybody's quess how long it will take for them to find what they are looking for. They were allowed to semi dig 1 or 2 sites but they need all 9 to complete there findings.

Hey guys, you don't think John F. Kennedy was the best????
JFK was a moron, thank his brother for not getting us nuked, not him. And if you credit the space program to him, you should die(Anything else he did that was special, inform me please(oh, and he did a great job with Vietnam :rolleyes: ). He got shot, big deal, he was the youngest, big deal.

Mad Dog, thanks for that bit of info. However, can you be a bit more detailed? It's like you're dismissing the faith of a few billion people with a few vague words. Can you be more specific?
I can dismiss it in less. Your religion is wrong. :D

By the way, if you read the Bible it states very clearly that "man" didn't come from Africa. He was created by God and placed in the Garden of Eden, which was between the rivers Euphrates and Tigris, and both rivers still excist, so we can be fairly certain were it could have been, that is present day Iraq. In Asia, not in Africa.
And where are the remains? Unless Eve and Adam walked from Iraq to the middle of Africa. And please don't tell me that you beleive that the earth is only a couple thousand years old. My aunt beleives that, and a little note, she is a complete moron(in other things).

I also don't believe that we evolved from monkeys, as the THEORY of Evolution lets us know. Maybe it's just that I prefer to have been created by God in His image, rather then have descend from a chimpansee!
I really don't want to be desended from a chimp, they are the only other species that rape, pillage, slaughter, move territories, and are down right cruel for no reason. I want to be desended from an Ape, they're peaceful and wise. Anyways... the theory of evolution is only a theory because of the existance of the damn bible(other religious texts too, but mostly the bible) and the uptight christians that keep trying to say that the bible is a scientific source that should be held at the same level as dated fossils and countless research and drawing lines between us and other primates(long sentence...). For all I know, the bible is right, but for now I'm going to beleive the hardcore facts instead of stories of an all powerful god that can do anything.(since we've seen stories like that all before, Greek mythology, Celtic mythology, Christian mythology, Asian mythology(although they tend to fall more into the lines of calling it philosophy, and less truth), Jewish mythology, Islamic mythology, it's all the same to me. Because it all looks [b]exactly[b] the same. Change names, compile powers, see what you come up with.

Oh, and mad dog, where exactly in South America is this. I know that most are catholic, but there are many parts that do anything they want, regardless of religion. They'll dig, not caring if they get in trouble about it.... maybe we should give them a call, religion shouldn't get in the way of attempting to find proof for truth, whatever it may be.

Blib politics always get in the way(religious or government) They are looking through almost all of south America, the city's are spread out.

Mad Dog, I do not undestand what you refer to. How could the discovery of an ancient city prove anything related to all religions ?

I didn't say ALL religions I said it may change christianity, and the thoughts on evolution. Discoveries are always changing the way we thought of something. I'm not saying it will for sure, I'm not the one in South America, It just looked interesting. I'm hoping I can find some more out about the show I saw. I'll keep looking when I find or hear some more I'll let you know. They may have had to cancel there dig because of laws.

Dear Pres of Worms: Thank God YOU're not the most favorite president! You sound like you have a lot of morons in your family or see morons everwhere. I am always taught that to know one, you have to be one! I am sorry that "my" religion is wrong, but at least I can say that I stand for something, while in your case it seems you're just against anything you can't explain. As far as being descended of an Ape: maybe YOU are, and that's why you have all these morons in the family, I at least believe to have been created in the likeliness of God. But I guess if you claim to be descend from an animal, you can reason like one, right? Well, like Jude Jackson said, "The fool has said in his heart, There's no God". There are a lot of others quotes on this forum about fools, but I believe this one to be the only good one! How about stopping to eat some of those worms in your garden, and actually READ the Bible, which I venture to say you've never done! (Or any of the other religions Holy Books that you're debunking!)

There are a lot of others quotes on this forum about fools, but I believe this one to be the only good one! How about stopping to eat some of those worms in your garden, and actually READ the Bible, which I venture to say you've never done! (Or any of the other religions Holy Books that you're debunking!)
I have not read all of the bible, but I have read most of it. I understand the stories, I know most of them. I've also read interpretations of the stories from Baptist's, Catholic's, Gnostic's, and other points of views. I am very well versed in religious mythology.

Thank God YOU're not the most favorite president!
Well, show me one good think that JFK himself actually did.

You sound like you have a lot of morons in your family or see morons everwhere. I am always taught that to know one, you have to be one!
I spent many years as a devout moronic Christian.

I am sorry that "my" religion is wrong, but at least I can say that I stand for something, while in your case it seems you're just against anything you can't explain
What? I don't come up with stories to explain events in nature that can be explained scientifically. If I don't understand something I look it up in something with value, not the bible.

I at least believe to have been created in the likeliness of God.
If god created you in his likeliness, then I would never want to meet this "god". If he created the whole of the human race in his image then he must be a warmongering ignorant fuck that is ashamed to look in the mirror.

I'll add some of my favorite quotes:
"Faith: not *wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited." - Ambrose Bierce Devil's Dictionary (1911)
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." - Mikhail A. Bakunin(note, as I follow gnosis more, gnostics hold the snake in very high esteem, and Demiurge(jealous ignorant god that made Adam and Eve) in very low esteem)
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
"Hell must be a swell spot, because the guys that invented religion have sure been trying hard to keep everybody else out." - Al Capone
"Religion is what the common people see as true, the wise people see as false, and the rulers see as useful." - Seneca
"He felt that Christianity, like almost all forms of superstition, made men weaker and more resigned, and that the point was not to await some new reward in the sky but to fight for one's own rights on earth." - Isabel Allende: The House of the Spirits
"If thou has not seen the devil, look at thine own self." - Jalal-uddin Rumi

Oh, and my favorite quote from the bible itself, straight from the horses mouth(Jesus):
"Know ye not ye are ALL gods?" - John 10:34

So what are you trying to say? That Nietsche and Al Capone are guys we should compare to God, or even the old
prophets of God? Ha! Someone wrote on a wall, "God is dead, Nietsche!", but some Christian wrote under it, "Nietsche is dead, God!". That sick German for sure is dead, contrary to God, although so many of you want him

burried!

So what are you trying to say? That Nietsche and Al Capone are guys we should compare to God, or even the old
prophets of God? Ha! Someone wrote on a wall, "God is dead, Nietsche!", but some Christian wrote under it, "Nietsche is dead, God!". That sick German for sure is dead, contrary to God, although so many of you want him

burried!
Nietzche was a racist egotistical Nazi bastard. Except the chapter about religion in his book, Beyond Good and Evil makes almost perfect sense. And Al Capone's quote was just funny. The wall joke is old. I had lost all of my Alistair Crowley quotes.

I like this quote too :
"If you want to become a millionnaire, create a religion"
Ron Hubbard

Astra it's funny that you mentioned that, I met a guy once his job was teaching at a driving school. He told me once his money maker was his "backyard church". He said in a years time after he opened his church he made enough to buy an 80,000.00 home with cash plus his 2 vehicle's(this was back ealry 90's) one was a caddy.

Excuse me dear worm-eater, but if you read John 10:34 once again, you will see that Jesus not said, "Know ye not you are ALL gods". First of all He didn't say it, but quoted from the Jewish Old Testament, and he just asked them, "Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods?" see, gods with a small g, and He asked them, the Jews, who accused Him of saying that He is the Son of God. I don't think you understand much of what you read my friend. He was quoting King David from the Psalms, not what He Himself had said.
And as far as God being a "fuck", well, "the President of Worms is dead: God". Have a nice evening enjoying your worms and the bitterness of gall.

Blib, he is correct, all versions of the Bible say something to that effect. Maybe you need to read the entire passage before you react?

Excuse me dear worm-eater, but if you read John 10:34 once again, you will see that Jesus not said, "Know ye not you are ALL gods". First of all He didn't say it, but quoted from the Jewish Old Testament, and he just asked them, "Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods?" see, gods with a small g, and He asked them, the Jews, who accused Him of saying that He is the Son of God. I don't think you understand much of what you read my friend. He was quoting King David from the Psalms, not what He Himself had said.
And as far as God being a "fuck", well, "the President of Worms is dead: God". Have a nice evening enjoying your worms and the bitterness of gall.

Beneck don't get too mad at him he is only a kid, he is smart but he lacks experiance.

Holy hell, did mad dog just compliment Blib? It's a sign of the apocalypse! (Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I have succeeded in making myself look like an ass.)

No, I do believe Blib is a smart kid, BUT he does lack experiance.

Excuse me dear worm-eater, but if you read John 10:34 once again, you will see that Jesus not said, "Know ye not you are ALL gods". First of all He didn't say it, but quoted from the Jewish Old Testament, and he just asked them, "Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods?" see, gods with a small g, and He asked them, the Jews, who accused Him of saying that He is the Son of God. I don't think you understand much of what you read my friend. He was quoting King David from the Psalms, not what He Himself had said.
All right, I concede. But it still does hold some value. In Psalms it is stated just before declaring us all as the children of God. And elsewhere it is stated that we are his heirs, and heirs are supposed to be seen as more than just servants(unless we are in Africa and are following the ancient custom of adopting your slave) and sheep as Jesus repeatably refers to us as.

Beneck don't get too mad at him he is only a kid, he is smart but he lacks experiance.
:eek: Don't really like the kid thing :p, but :eek:

Blib what would you prefer I write "young man"

Blib what would you prefer I write "young man"
Ok, I perfer not being called a goat's offspring.