http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17986525/

Monica Goodling was the aide to Attorney General Gonzalez who coordinated the firings of the eight U.S. Attornies with Karl Rove and othe White House officials. She refused to testify before Congress at all, invoking her Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.

The argument her lawyer advances about the hearings being a perjury trap is, in my opinion, a smokescreen. All she would have to do to avoid being charged with perjury is to tell the truth. I suspect there is another criminal matter hiding in the shadows. It occurs to me to wonder if large contributions to the Republican Party lead to some prosecutors being removed, and to some criminal prosecutions not taking place. If so, any officials who participated should be prosecuted. This needs to be investigated, and the relevant officials need to testify. Perhaps Monica Goodling should be offered immunity and required to testify.

All she would have to do to avoid being charged with perjury is to tell the truth. I suspect there is another criminal matter hiding in the shadows. It occurs to me to wonder if large contributions to the Republican Party lead to some prosecutors being removed, and to some criminal prosecutions not taking place.

Exactly.

ROTFL. You are about to see the Reichwing Spin Machine thrown into hyperdrive.

The spinmeisters in the countless Corporate Media outlets around the planet are going to be VERY busy trying to divert the sheep's attention away from this stench and to somehow try to convince them that there's nothing wrong.....

honestly, who even really cares? fire gonzalez, does anybody care besides people who get red in the face when talking about el presidente? there is always someone lying, always a cover up, always the same characters and always the same accusers. it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore. I will be glad when the next election is over.

honestly, who even really cares?

Millions of Americans who sincerely give a damn about this country.


it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore.

So stop trying to pretend you care.

The bottom line is it was perfectly legal to fire the attornies. The Democrats are creating a tempest in a teapot for strictly political reasons.

It was indeed legal to fire the attornies. That is why it is so interesting that instead of asserting executive privlege, Monica Goodling asserted her rights under the Fifth Amendment.

millions of liberals who seem to only care as long as they think bush did something wrong. maybe you should stop pretending to care, because you only care within the very narrow range allowed by your democrat party blinders.

millions of liberals who seem to only care as long as they think bush did something wrong.

That is where you are wrong.

Not everyone is as bitter and uncaring as you are.

The bottom line is it was perfectly legal to fire the attornies.

Then why the invocation of the Fifth Amendment?


The Democrats are creating a tempest in a teapot for strictly political reasons.

Again, if this is true, why the Fifth Amendment?

Honestly Frogger, if the Attorney General were a Democrat you'd be getting together a lynching party.

The bottom line is it was perfectly legal to fire the attornies. The Democrats are creating a tempest in a teapot for strictly political reasons.

Then why the refusal to talk under oath?

Why would Monica try to take the Fifth? Is she expecting criminal charges to come out of her testimony?

lol, your calling me bitter? I am not the one who types every post with spittle flying out and hitting the screen muttering about George Bush. Seriously, if a democrat president did the same thing you would be singing a different tune. admit it, you are purely political. I did not think you were but you are probably the most partisan person on the board.
and before you ask, no, I would not care if a democrat did this either, its completly 100 stupid and reeks of someone reaching the bottom of the barrel in the accusation department.

lol, your calling me bitter?

Yes, and uncaring by your own admission:

it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore.


I am not the one who types every post with spittle flying out and hitting the screen muttering about George Bush.

You are right, instead of muttering about Bush you mutter about the ever-nebulous "liberals".

The rest is pretty much an accurate description of your posting style.


Seriously, if a democrat president did the same thing you would be singing a different tune.

Not so, during the 90s I was constantly criticising Clinton for his corporatist adgenda, especially NAFTA.



I did not think you were but you are probably the most partisan person on the board.

You have just as much bias as I do. "Partisan"? I am a registered Independant, although I admit I favor Democrats right now.

it never ceases to amaze me how liberals get something in thier head and just wont let it go. I guess I am angry because you have been taught that conservatives are "angry white guys" and you just go with it since you dont know any better. Its not your fault really, its just sad.

I guess I am angry because....

I don't know why you are so angry, or why you don't care.

That would be for you to say.

The Fifth Amendment may only be invoked to prevent someone from being forced to testify that they have committed a crime. If there are crimes being committed by high officials in the Attorney General's Office, then I want to know about it. I would want to know about it regardless of the political party holding the office. I think that the whole concept of accountability to the people by the government is at stake.
This investigation must proceed, and if Congress doesn't proceed with it they should all be removed, Republicans and Democrats alike. It is time for the people of the United States to demand clean government. Government officials should not get a free pass at committing crimes.

This investigation must proceed, and if Congress doesn't proceed with it they should all be removed, Republicans and Democrats alike. It is time for the people of the United States to demand clean government. Government officials should not get a free pass at committing crimes.

Very well said, completely agree.

This investigation must proceed, and if Congress doesn't proceed with it they should all be removed, Republicans and Democrats alike. It is time for the people of the United States to demand clean government. Government officials should not get a free pass at committing crimes.

I agree completely. I'm curious why so little is said/done about William Jefferson, he of the $90,000 in (really) cold, hard cash. It's been two years, after all...

I don't know why you are so angry, or why you don't care.

That would be for you to say.


the most chicken shit type of response ever. take a fraction of what someone said then use it against them. thats like someone saying "I wouldnt be treated like this if I was a nazi!" and some asshole like you comes along and takes the "I was a nazi" part and uses it to claim that person was a nazi. Lame.

the most chicken shit type of response ever. take a fraction of what someone said then use it against them. thats like someone saying "I wouldnt be treated like this if I was a nazi!" and some asshole like you comes along and takes the "I was a nazi" part and uses it to claim that person was a nazi. Lame.

Are you denying that you said this?

it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore.

Am I misconstruing your meaning here? You tell me what you meant.

here is what I said: i"t never ceases to amaze me how liberals get something in thier head and just wont let it go. I guess I am angry because you have been taught that conservatives are "angry white guys" and you just go with it since you dont know any better. Its not your fault really, its just sad."

here is what you quoted me as saying then went on to use a fraction of a longer quote to base your stupid response on:
I guess I am angry because....

that is chicken shit and wrong. maybe from now on i will dissect your quotes and just use the pieces that make you look stupid.

here is what you quoted me as saying then went on to use a fraction of a longer quote to base your stupid response on:
I guess I am angry because....

Yes, I seperate the relevent points I am replying to from the irrelivent, foam-mouthed rants. It seems I have to do that with you more and more lately.


that is chicken shit and wrong. maybe from now on i will dissect your quotes and just use the pieces that make you look stupid.


No, it is part of good communication. Feel free to reply to specific points in my posts, everyone else already does.

The point is that I try to reply to the points you make in your posts. If you feel something I left out answered one of my questions, feel free to point that out!

And if you look "stupid" after one of our exchanges, the fault is not mine... :)

lol, so its ok to take a section of a sentence used in a paragraph and use it to reply to? I cant beleive you think it is OK to take a piece of a sentence and reply to it like that piece was the whole statement. But thats just me, apparently you have no problem with such a thing. I call it dishonest and chickenshit, you call it seperating relevent points. To each his own.

I think you are just trying to avoid actually discussing the points I make.

I have noticed you avoid quoting anything at all because it makes it easier for you to try and change the subject or launch into personal attacks. I call that chickenshit and dishonest.

For example, you said:
Originally Posted by Travh20
honestly, who even really cares?

To which I replied:

Millions of Americans who sincerely give a damn about this country.

You also then said:
fire gonzalez, does anybody care besides people who get red in the face when talking about el presidente? there is always someone lying, always a cover up, always the same characters and always the same accusers. it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore.

I picked out the relevent point of your whole paragraph:
it is really just damn exhausting even trying to pretend to care anymore.

and replied to it:
So stop trying to pretend you care.

Seriously, why pretend you care if you really don't?

You are bashing people specificly because they do care and you even acknowledge that you only pretend to care.

Seriously, why continue a charade that you obviously find so exhasuting?

But instead of acknowledging any of those perfectly valid points, you launched into this irrelivent diatribe of baseless accusations:

millions of liberals who seem to only care as long as they think bush did something wrong. maybe you should stop pretending to care, because you only care within the very narrow range allowed by your democrat party blinders.

Look at my Signature. At least Prat has the intellectual honesty to say what he really feels.

are you retarded? nothing in that post even addresses the post I made that you butchered to get you silly little quip out there. please look at posts 13 and 14. you took a section of a sentence used in a larger point and pretended that that section of that sentence was my entire point.

I agree completely. I'm curious why so little is said/done about William Jefferson, he of the $90,000 in (really) cold, hard cash. It's been two years, after all...

I agree that he should have been prosecuted. What really disgusts me is that he was re-elected. That I will never understand.

are you retarded?

No, but I have to seriously question whether you are.

I addressed the practice you are whining about and gave the example of the beginning of this thread, illustrating your tactic of never actually addressing the points being raised.

Would somebody ban this fuck? Please.

Would somebody ban this fuck? Please.

What is your problem, Prat?

If you don't want to read me, ignore me.

Calling for me to be banned is just Chickenshit.

Monica will be looking for some immunity now that Bush is directly tied to the firing of the attorneys ... either that or go straight to jail. LOL.

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/special/554986nm04-15-07.htm

Monica will be looking for some immunity now that Bush is directly tied to the firing of the attorneys ... either that or go straight to jail. LOL.

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/special/554986nm04-15-07.htm

I think giving her immunity so she could talk would be a very smart move at this point.

I think giving her immunity so she could talk would be a very smart move at this point.

You are correct with one exception ... change the words could talk in your post to must talk and ya got it.

Once immunity is given, if subpoenaed, she would be compelled to answer the questions because she would no longer be in jeopardy and if she didn't ... buh-bye al la Judith Miller. ROTF.

You are correct with one exception ... change the words could talk in your post to must talk and ya got it.

Once immunity is given, if subpoenaed, she would be compelled to answer the questions because she would no longer be in jeopardy and if she didn't ... buh-bye al la Judith Miller. ROTF.

You are absolutely right.

I stand corrected.