At least it's not the U.S. doing the tinkering this time...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070406/sc_nm/globalwarming_scientists_dc

is it possible for a scientist to be biased? They are people too, and this whole notion that says since they are sicientist they are beyond questioning is absurd. we have gone over this a million times, consensus does not mean fact.

It's a strange world where Trav takes the side of the Russian and Chinese governments.

Politics makes strange bed fellows. Who would have thought the democrat party and islamic terrorists would have a common agenda?

Politics makes strange bed fellows. Who would have thought the democrat party and islamic terrorists would have a common agenda?

don't forget the extreme liberals... who are in between the two, hogging the sheets from the democrats and snuggling close to the islamo fascists... then trying to call the opposition exactly what they are whispering sweet nothings to. .... By the way.. how are you today FT?

Politics makes strange bed fellows. Who would have thought the democrat party and islamic terrorists would have a common agenda?Islamic terrorists are concerned about climate change??

Who knew?

I think they want global warming, in the 2,000 degrees C range in downtown New York

I think they want global warming, in the 2,000 degrees C range in downtown New YorkThat's the Democrat agenda?

Al Gore must be in the wrong party. :(

If they can get the white house out of it I am sure they could see the good in it

You think the terrorists want Bush out of the White House??

ROTFLMAO!!

you think they dont?

I mean honestly...

do you think the white whale wanted Ahab to be the captain of his ship?

its like al capone wanting elliot ness

exactly.. it'd be alot easier for terrorists to "do their thing" if Bush WASN'T in the white house.

I dont know, I am sure the thought of the war being handled like a crime scene scares the pants off of them.

you think they dont?I think OBL is very happy with the way Bush has played into his hands, and radical Islam is stronger than ever thanks to the invasion of Iraq. But neither of us can know for sure one way or the other. Your point is that Democrats and Islamists share the same agenda because both would like Bush out of office. I can just as easily say that Bush and OBL share the same agenda because they both want to sleep with Whitney Houston. And none of this has anything to do with the topic of the thread.

exactly.. it'd be alot easier for terrorists to "do their thing" if Bush WASN'T in the white house.This is a good example of something you think you know but in fact have no possible way of knowing.

This is a good example of something you think you know but in fact have no possible way of knowing.

I totally agree, but therefore, you can't denounce it as wrong either.. they are points of view... theories...

I totally agree, but therefore, you can't denounce it as wrong either.. they are points of view... theories...My avatar says I can denounce anything I want. :eek:

I don't against to use petroleum, but I want to proceed expanding agriculture.

Anyway, food crisis will also emerge sometime. Incresing CO2 matter and food crisis will get more acute by China and India. Perhaps political way will be agreed from the way.

My avatar says I can denounce anything I want. :eek:
Like the cultural hairstyle rules, wait, you changed your avatar.

Been to any Milwaukee hot dog stands lately?

The environment seems to be like the weather--people talk about it a lot, but no one does much.

So I thought I would prepare a little list of things people who claim to be worried about global warming should be doing--if they aren't hypocrites. (By the way, although my wife and I think the warming debate is mostly politics, there is a real problem here so these are things we already have done).

1. Don't have a car. Get bicycles and use them to get where you want to go. This is healthier, vastly cheaper, and really more convenient, when you consider parking and scrapes and security. Arrange you life accordingly (it is not hard--no harder than arranging one's life around traffic).

2. Become a vegetarian. Animal production produces far more methane and other greenhouse gasses than similar populations of people.

3. Stop using all sorts of relatively useless and environmentally damaging but heavily advertised (to create a sense of "need") products. The worst offenders are paper products--tissue and paper towels, for example, can be replaced by handkerchiefs and dish towels.

4. Install a bidet in each toilet--it is cheap and much cleaner than toilet paper and saves a lot of paper and sewage costs.

5. Stop buying magazines and newspapers. The internet can provide as much without all the paper.

6. Arrange bill paying to be automatic or by electronic transfers. More paper not used. Stop writing checks.

I could go on for awhile, but that gets the spirit. It sounds spartan but it really is not--the reality is that it is cheaper, much healthier, and will actually have an effect on global warming--much more than all the government edicts that the statist mentality of the political left seems to think is the only alternative.

I wish I lived somewhere where I could just walk or use public transportation to get everywhere. As it is, I live about 50 miles from where I go to school and the bus really doesn't come all the way up here. And we're about to move out even further. I don't have a car though, and I just hitch rides with friends and family, so I suppose I'm saving the environment more than I would be if I got my license and bought a car and drove it everywhere...

I wish I lived somewhere where I could just walk or use public transportation to get everywhere. As it is, I live about 50 miles from where I go to school and the bus really doesn't come all the way up here. And we're about to move out even further. I don't have a car though, and I just hitch rides with friends and family, so I suppose I'm saving the environment more than I would be if I got my license and bought a car and drove it everywhere...
In Vietnam it is easy to bike everywhere--most people are on motorbikes but Westerners and the poor on bicycles are common.

In Bellevue I bike over to a nearby shopping center or downtown. It all works fine. The only time I take a bus is to go across Lake Washington. I see all the cars lined up on the freeway and I know I want none of that.

We accumulate karma as we live--consequences large and small of the things we do--and if we tread lightly the results of our treading can also return lightly.

This is a good example of something you think you know but in fact have no possible way of knowing.

kind of like the famous saying "we are in more danger no then if we did not attack iraq". How can someone know how much danger we would have been in if we didnt attack iraq?

kind of like the famous saying "we are in more danger no then if we did not attack iraq".If this saying is so famous perhaps you can tell me who said it? How can someone know how much danger we would have been in if we didnt attack iraq?You can't know for sure. But it's a pretty safe bet that invading Iraq has radicalized significant numbers of young Iraqis. Only time will tell what the consequences of that radicalization will be.

it's a pretty safe bet

well then.. "it's a pretty safe bet" that terrorists would rather not have Bush in the white house.

well then.. "it's a pretty safe bet" that terrorists would rather not have Bush in the white house.If your goal is to radicalize large numbers of young muslims and indoctrinate them with hatred for America there aren't very many people you'd rather have in the White House than George Bush.

If your goal is to radicalize large numbers of young muslims and indoctrinate them with hatred for America there aren't very many people you'd rather have in the White House than George Bush.

well gee... i guess we did the wrong thing in WW2... by attacking we just pissed off a bunch of germans and encouraged them to hate america. We should have laid on our stomachs and allowed them to continue taking over the world. I mean, i'd hate to see some germans get mad, considering they didn't do anything wrong:rolleyes:

If our response to Pearl Harbor had been to invade, say, Australia that would have been pretty damned stupid don't ya think?

Evidently you don't (think, that is).

Agree.It suits alQaeda very nicely, having a gun ho moron in Penn Avenue,in fact if OBL could get a postal vote,
hed be Republican all the way.

If our response to Pearl Harbor had been to invade, say, Australia that would have been pretty damned stupid don't ya think?

Evidently you don't (think, that is).

Hear, hear!

I thought terrorists and muslims had nothing to do with Iraq?

I mean... that is the cry i have heard from anti-war people from the start.

Perhaps i was mistaken.

Or, maybe the logical conclusion is that maybe while we don't have paper evidence that terrorists EVER set foot in Iraq, it would be stupid to think that two people living next door with a common enemy never "helped a brotha out".

Thats a pretty 'lame' excuse for sending your army half way round the world.

I will stand by my claim years ago that from the intelligence we had, it was the right move to go into Iraq.

And hey, if that wasn't the case.. i have a free out! I can just say "I was mislead" like John Kerry did! No harm, no foul! right?

And hey, Bush can say the same thing! If the intel he got was bad, whether intentionally or mistakenly, he has a free out! He thought they had a threatening situation! Free out right? No harm no foul? I guess not.

Bush was prez at the time, he made the call. People can say "you can't go to war without 100% proof"... but then again, if you follow that motto, you could have half of your country wiped out without prior knowledge.

*waits for FT to talk about fear-mongering, fascism, and how bush lied... yayyyy

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