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Was that taken before of after his infamous "there was no holocaust" and I want to "wipe Israel off the map" quotes?

That may have been during. There was a group of anti-zionist Jews who went to that conference.

There was a group of anti-zionist Jews who went to that conference. The conference was just recently. Amajabababaa's misinterpretted comment was long before that. The anti-Zionists zynagoge was just burned down while pro-zionists blocked firefighters access to the burning building. They then reveled in the misfortune of their fellow jews. Zionist first, Jew second, I guess.

anti zionist jews? isnt that like christians against christ?

anti zionist jews? isnt that like christians against christ?
No.

isnt zionism the belief in israel? how could a jew not believe in israel? it goes against everything they believe in. Everyone from Abraham to David and everyone else all fought for it, god himself said it was theirs, yet some group of jews would rather hug adolf hitler reinarnate? sounds made up to me.

As far as i remeber zionism was even earlier defined as racism by United Nations.

then that means black power and la raza are also racist I assume

American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source
Zionism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zionism)

The belief that Jews should have their own nation; Jewish nationalism. Zionism gained much support among Jews and others in the early twentieth century, and the hoped-for nation was established in the late 1940s in Palestine, as the state of Israel. Zionism is opposed by most Arabs. (See Arab-Israeli conflict.)

The issue of Israel is a side issue to the core faith of the Jewish people in God.

There was much disagreement among the Jewish community about Zionism before Israel was created and now there is still much disagreement about the behavior of Israel among Jewish people today.

Some Jews believe that the reconstitution of Israel as a Jewish State should only occur when the Messiah returns. They view the modern state of Israel as an abomination.

I dont understand what the debate is about. Israel is right where israel was 5000 years ago. I could see if they took a piece of canada and said "this is israel" but israel is where it is supposed to be so why would jews debate it?

That picture is interesting...the perfect time for the them to strike. Quick Rabbi Goldstein, beat him to death with a menorah!

anti zionist jews? isnt that like christians against christ?
Actually, it is more in line with Catholics against The Vatican. Even then, that's not an accurate parallel either.

I've discovered something.

A person, who believe unquestioningly Almighty God, isn't believed anyone.

isnt zionism the belief in israel? how could a jew not believe in israel? it goes against everything they believe in. Everyone from Abraham to David and everyone else all fought for it, god himself said it was theirs, yet some group of jews would rather hug adolf hitler reinarnate? sounds made up to me. Good to see Trav is back on his stupid pills again. For a while he kind of made sense....

then that means black power and la raza are also racist I assumeyes they are. Funny how you find the need to ask about such things.

I saw your stupid signature monkeyboy, if 80% of muslims think killing civilians is wrong why dont they say something? or better yet, do something other then what they claim to be against? talk about stupid pills, look at your signatures.

Trav,

The geographic land that we call Israel is exactly where it always was. No one picked it up and moved it. What anti-Zionist Jews believe is that it should not exist as a Jewish nation at this point in time. Many Jews believe the State of Israel should be reconstituted by the Messiah when he comes and not by the United Nations. They view the modern state of Israel as a perversion of the Messianic message.

fair enough. How prevelant are the anti zionist jews in the jewish world?

They are a small minority of the Jewish community. Most of them are ultra-Orthodox. It has been my experience that the less religious a Jew is the more fervently pro-Israel he is.

now that is wierd. again, we have politics bringing together mortal enemies. Hard core muslims and hard core jews think israel shouldnt exist, along with the american left. Now those are 3 strange bedfellows.

now that is wierd. again, we have politics bringing together mortal enemies. Hard core muslims and hard core jews think israel shouldnt exist, along with the american left. Now those are 3 strange bedfellows.


Real quick questions not just for Trav... What is the American left? What is the American right? I think Americans have a problem of generalizing the Democratic Party as strictly left and the Republican Party as strictly right. It seems no one in America can have their own personal beliefs without being stuck into the right or left group or any other group for that matter.

I say left because I know not all democrats are leftist, same as all republicans are rightist. The left and the right belive different things, and 99% of the time you fall roughly into one side or the other. Not every thought you have will fall into what is traditionally thought of as left or right thinking, but it is safe to say people are eithe right or left based on their overall perception of the US and the world. Its not perfect, but its what we do. There are those who claim to be moderates, or centrists or whatever, but they have to try very hard to keep up that charade because everyone has opinions about subjust, and those opinions are always shared by either the right or left. Take abortion, the left is for it, the right is against it. A person can try to be moderate but eventually they have to either be for it or against it.

Members of the American Left and the American Right would be considered Centrists in almost every other country of the world.

Political opinion in the United States deviates very little from a core center. Compare American Liberals and American Conservative to those with the same label in Europe or South America. In Europe they are almost diametrically opposed to each other and in South and Central America they actually kill each other.

now that is wierd. again, we have politics bringing together mortal enemies. Hard core muslims and hard core jews think israel shouldnt exist, along with the american left. Now those are 3 strange bedfellows.

When did the "American Left" say that Israel should not exist? I missed that one..

Consider that Nancy Pelosi, often described as a liberal Democrat, is a big supporter of Israel. In fact, on her recent trip to Syria she was chosen by the government of Israel to carry messages for them.

When did the "American Left" say that Israel should not exist? I missed that one..

I guess your right, they never aid that, but they sure have a funny way of saying how they want it there. With supporters like that who needs the PLO?

No-goodniks and the Palestinian shootout
....

In the immediate aftermath of the Palestinian elections won by Hama last January, Abrams greeted a group of Palestinian businessmen in his White House office with talk of a "hard coup" against the newly elected Hamas government - the violent overthrow of its leadership with arms supplied by the US.

While the businessmen were shocked, Abrams was adamant - the US had to support Fatah with guns, ammunition and training,
so that it could fight Hamas for control of the Palestinian government.

While those closest to him now concede that Abrams' words were issued in a moment of frustration, the "hard coup" talk was hardly just talk. Over the past 12 months, the United States has supplied guns, ammunition and training to Palestinian Fatah activists to take on Hamas in the streets of Gaza and the West Bank.

A large number of Fatah activists have been trained and "graduated" from two West Bank camps - one in Ramallah and one in Jericho. The supplies of rifles and ammunition, which started as a mere trickle, have now become a torrent (the Israeli daily Ha'aretz reports that the US has designated an astounding US$86.4 million for Abu Mazen's - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' - security detail), and while the program has gone largely without notice in the US press, it is openly talked about and commented on in the Arab media - and in Israel.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IA09Ak03.html

I assume you are against this then right guerilla?