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Freethinker
04-02-2007, 08:33 AM
Creation "Science" Is the Christian Right's Trojan Horse Against Reason

http://www.alternet.org/rights/49811/


From California to Florida, a string of Creation "Science" museums are springing up across the country as part of the Christian Right's attempt to rewrite the past and make it conform to the Bible.


Before they seize power and establish a world according to their doctrines, totalitarian movements conjure up a lying world of consistency which is more adequate to the needs of the human mind than reality itself; in which, through sheer imagination, uprooted masses can feel at home and are spared the never-ending shocks which real life and real experiences deal to human beings and their expectations. The force possessed by totalitarian propaganda -- before the movements have the power to drop iron curtains to prevent anyone's disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet of an entirely imaginary world--lies in its ability to shut the masses off from the real world." -- Hannah Arendt, "The Origins of Totalitarianism"

In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles. Two life-size figures of children with long black hair and in buckskin clothes play in the stream a few feet from two towering Tyrannosaurus Rex models that can move and roar. The museum, which cost $25 million to build and has a sea of black asphalt parking lots for school buses, has a scale model of Noah's ark that shows how Noah solved the problem of fitting dinosaurs into the three levels of the vessel--he loaded only baby dinosaurs. And on the wooden model, infant dinosaurs cavort with horses, giraffes, hippopotamuses, penguins and bears. There is an elaborate display of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve, naked but strategically positioned so as not to display breasts or genitals, swim in a river as giant dinosaurs and lizards roam the banks.

Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters. The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb" to every creature to eat. There were no predators. T-Rex had such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts. Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did the dinosaurs start to eat flesh. And Adam's sin is a key component of the belief system, for in the eyes of many creationists, in order for Jesus' death to be meaningful it had to atone for Adam's first sin.

The museum has a theater equipped with seats that shake and gadgets that spray mist at the audience as the story of God's six-day creation of the world unfolds on the screen and the sound system rocks the auditorium. There are 30-foot-high walls that represent the cliffs of the Grand Canyon, floors that resemble rocks embedded with fossils, and rooms where a "Christian" paleontologist counters the claims of an "evolutionist" paleontologist. It has the appearance of a real science museum, complete with a planetarium, a gift shop and plaques on the wall with quotes from creationist "scientists" who have the title doctor conspicuously before their names. It has charts, timelines and graphs with facts and figures. It is meant to be interactive, to create, like Universal Studios, a contrived reality with an array of costly animatronic men and women as well as moving dinosaurs.

The danger of creationism is that, like the pseudo-science of Nazi eugenics, it allows facts to be accepted or discarded according to the dictates of a preordained ideology. Creationism removes the follower from the rational, reality-based world. Signs, miracles and wonders occur not only in the daily life of Christians but in history, science, medicine and logic. The belief system becomes the basis to understand the world. Random facts and data are collected and made to fit into this belief system or discarded. When facts are treated as if they were opinions, when there is no universal standard to determine truth, in law, in science, in scholarship, or in the reporting of the events of the day, the world becomes a place where people can believe what they want to believe, where there is no possibility of reaching any conclusion not predetermined by those who interpret the official, divinely inspired text. This is the goal of creationists.

Other creationist museums are going up in Arkansas, Texas, California, Tennessee and Florida. Museums are part of a massive push to teach creationism in schools, part of a vast Christian publishing and filmmaking industry that seeks to rewrite the past and make it conform to the Bible. The front lines of the culture wars are the classrooms. The battle is one we are slowly losing. Twenty states are considering changing the way evolution is taught in order to include creationism or intelligent design. Only 13 percent of Americans in a 2004 Gallup poll, when asked for their views on human origins, said life arose from the strictly natural process of evolution. More than 38 percent said they believed God guided evolution, and 45 percent said the Genesis account of creation was a true story.2 Courses on intelligent design have been taught at Minnesota, Georgia, New Mexico and Iowa State universities, along with Wake Forest and Carnegie Mellon, not to mention Christian universities that teach all science through the prism of the Bible.

The museum is an illustration of the movement's marriage of primitive and intolerant beliefs with the modern tools of technology, mass communication, sophisticated fundraising and political organization. Totalitarian systems usually start as propagandistic movements that ostensibly teach people to "believe what they want." This is a ruse. This primacy of personal opinion, regardless of facts, destabilizes and destroys the primacy of all facts. This process leads inevitably to the big lie. Facts are useful only if they bolster the message. The use of mass-marketing techniques to persuade and convince, rather than brainwash, has led tens of millions of followers to accept the toxic totalitarian line by tricking them into believing it's their own. Ironically, at the outset the movement seemingly encourages people to think "independently" or "courageously."

At first all have, in the totalitarian belief system, a right to an opinion, or, in short, a right to believe anything. Soon, under the iron control of an empowered totalitarian movement, facts become worthless, kept or discarded according to an ideological litmus test. And once these movements achieve power, facts are ruthlessly manipulated or kept hidden to support the lie. Creationism is not about offering an alternative. Its goal is the destruction of the core values of the open society--the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense tell you something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to advocate for change and to accept that there are other views, different ways of being, that are morally and socially acceptable. We are beginning to see the growing intolerance that comes with the empowerment of these ideologues. There is a bill in the Texas Legislature to strip all mention of evolution from Texas school textbooks and institute mandatory Bible classes for all students. This is just the start.

And yet, coming from the modern age, these Christo-fascists cannot discount science. They employ jargon, methods and data that appear to be science, to make an argument for creationism. They have created parallel research and scholarly institutions. They pump out articles in self-published journals to provide "evidence" that homosexuals can be cured, that global warming is a myth, that abortion can cause breast cancer, that something they call "post-abortion syndrome" leads to deep depression and suicide and that abstinence-only education is an effective form of birth control. This pseudo-science has seeped into the public debate. It is disseminated by nervous and timid media anxious to give both sides in every argument. Those who have contempt for facts and truth, for honest research and inquiry, are given the same platform by the press as those who deal in a world of reality, fact and rationality.

The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to legitimize itself. It achieves this imprint by discrediting real science and claiming creationist science as true science. All attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief, to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and fact, will fail. They have created a "fundamentalist science." They know they cannot return to the pre-Darwinian innocence that let them believe the Bible alone was enough. They need, in the midst of their flight from reality, to reassure their followers that science, science not contaminated by secular humanists and nonbelievers, is on their side. In this they are a distinctly modern movement.

They seek the imprint of science and scholarship to legitimize myth. This is a characteristic they share with all modern totalitarian movements, which co-opt the disciplines of law, science, medicine and scholarship to give a modern veneer to their primitive and superstitious belief systems, systems that allow the rulers to dictate reality and truth. The "paraprofessional" organizations formed by the Christian right, organizations of teachers, journalists, doctors, lawyers and scientists, mimic the activities of real professional groups. They seek to challenge the legitimacy and the power of the traditional organizations. The duplication of the structures and methods employed by the non-totalitarian world, the use of pseudo-science to dress up fantasy, is slowly undermining our legitimate scientific and educational institutions. It is destroying the foundations of our open society. It is ushering us into a world where lies are true.

LionelHutz
04-02-2007, 12:15 PM
I'd like to go to one of those - I bet they're hilarious.

Thislin
04-02-2007, 01:42 PM
It is a myth that "truth" will always prevail, in the long run, against superstition. The ancient world was destroyed by superstition (the Christian conquest), and it could happen again.

Blob
04-02-2007, 03:43 PM
It is a myth that "truth" will always prevail, in the long run, against superstition. The ancient world was destroyed by superstition (the Christian conquest), and it could happen again.That's true. However to be fair it was also Christians (the Jesuits, I think) who carried the candle of ancient empiricism and reason through the dark ages.

Napsterbater
04-02-2007, 06:19 PM
Perhaps, Blob, but it was the Islamic Golden Age which enabled Europe to escape them with their technological advances, particularly in the fields of mathematics and medicine.

Blob
04-02-2007, 06:43 PM
Perhaps, Blob, but it was the Islamic Golden Age which enabled Europe to escape them with their technological advances, particularly in the fields of mathematics and medicine.Also very true. In fact I'd be tempted to vote for Arabic numerals as the greatest of all technological innovations.

Thislin
04-02-2007, 06:48 PM
Perhaps, Blob, but it was the Islamic Golden Age which enabled Europe to escape them with their technological advances, particularly in the fields of mathematics and medicine.
A case could be made that civilization was preserved in China.

It is an interesting fact that the end of civilization in Western Europe coincided exactly with the success of Christianity. This leads one to suspect causality.

There were, however, other factors involved--mainly the increasing numbers of "barbarians" and the utter inability of the Roman state to solve the succession problem (which led to massive civil war every time the purple succession was less than certain).

Still--the massive persecution the Christians carried out against the old philosophies--the Stoics and Epicureans and Platonists--as well as against the old religions, played its part. There was also at the time a Christian antipathy toward collecting interest on loans ("usury"), which tended to freeze commerce.

Ironically, some of the positive things about Christianity also no doubt contributed to the destruction of the ancient order--in particular the idea of human equality and the idea that governments are not to be blindly obeyed in all matters.

It is an interesting observation that shortly after the success of Christianity, slavery as it had existed in the Empire from the beginning quietly disappeared. There were no edicts against it, no papal bulls, but the air just went out of the institution. This undermining of such a fundamental institution of the society, in an age where there were few machines, contributed mightily to the decline of the economy.

janrich456
04-16-2007, 01:19 PM
and phooy to you evolution is the one taking the beating (:

rendova
04-16-2007, 01:32 PM
and phooy to you

Devastating.....hard to argue with this kind of logic.

Thislin, better give up. Jannrich's finished you.

Decka
04-16-2007, 04:00 PM
I think it is entirely possible that the creation of our universe didn't happen how it was depicted in the bible...

However, no matter how it was derived, i think God... or A God.. was in control.. I don't know any other way to explain how our universe was created.

rendova
04-16-2007, 04:29 PM
I tend to think the same, Decka.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 04:31 PM
I think it is entirely possible that the creation of our universe didn't happen how it was depicted in the bible...

However, no matter how it was derived, i think God... or A God.. was in control.. I don't know any other way to explain how our universe was created.
The fact that one cannot personally imagine how something might have happened is far more likely just a lack of imagination than a guide to the truth.

Let me tell you about a young Vietnamese fisherman I met when I was down in the Mekong Delta. He was friendly and able to handle my broken Vietnamese, but had no education whatsoever as far as I could tell.

It so happened that the moon was full, and so he told me the standard Vietnamese story about the man in the moon. I won't get into the details--it is a long story, and ends with the belief that the man in the moon keeps the moon in the sky. At the end, I asked how the man in the moon was able to do this.

He thought about it for a little while, and then said, "I don't know, but I am glad the man in the moon knows."

When it comes to things we cannot see how they could be, it is generally wiser to assume we don't know than to invent deities for the explanation.

Frogger
04-16-2007, 04:45 PM
It takes a greater suspension of reason to believe that the world in its myriad manifestations was created accidently and that the ongoing changes are more accidents in an unending series of fortuitous accidents than it does to believe that there is a Grand Architect of the Universe, a Master Clockmaker who runs things.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 06:20 PM
It takes a greater suspension of reason to believe that the world in its myriad manifestations was created accidently and that the ongoing changes are more accidents in an unending series of fortuitous accidents than it does to believe that there is a Grand Architect of the Universe, a Master Clockmaker who runs things.
What you say is a baldfaced assertion of an untruth. An omniscient, omnibenificient, eternal God is far less "understandable" than natural processes. Your approach is nothing more than throwing up the hands and saying "God did it" whenever one reaches the frontier of knowledge.

Frogger
04-16-2007, 06:26 PM
What you say is a baldfaced assertion of an untruth.

You may disagree with my views, Thislin but don't ever call me a liar. If that is the way you are going to discuss issues you can go fuck yourself.

Napsterbater
04-16-2007, 06:40 PM
Is Frogger going to pull a slim on us?

Vilepagan
04-16-2007, 06:47 PM
If that is the way you are going to discuss issues you can go fuck yourself.

My, what an excellent example you set.

Frogger
04-16-2007, 06:49 PM
I don't like being called a liar. While I may not agree with every poster I do not lie and you or anyone else who calls me a liar can do exactly what I suggested Thislin do.

Vilepagan
04-16-2007, 06:49 PM
It takes a greater suspension of reason to believe that the world in its myriad manifestations was created accidently and that the ongoing changes are more accidents in an unending series of fortuitous accidents than it does to believe that there is a Grand Architect of the Universe, a Master Clockmaker who runs things.

It would be more accurate to describe the process as "random" rather than "accidental". The process for change is natural, not an accident, but the changes introduced are apparently random.

Frogger
04-16-2007, 06:53 PM
If a change is not planned it is accidental. If I drive a car randomly and just happen to hit a telephone pole it is an accident.

Vilepagan
04-16-2007, 06:59 PM
My argument for random evolution...the platypus.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 07:11 PM
You may disagree with my views, Thislin but don't ever call me a liar. If that is the way you are going to discuss issues you can go fuck yourself.
You are grandstanding. I said you made a baldfaced assertion of an untruth. What you said is not true. If you knew it was false, then it would be lying--I didn't say you knew it was false--indeed, that was not at issue.

The fact is what you said was a bald assertion--"bald" meaning you presented no evidence. It is also false: the entire science of biology has evolutionary theory as its foundation.

Frogger
04-16-2007, 07:21 PM
Bullshlit, Thislin. When you accuse someone of making a bald face assertion of an untruth you are calling them a liar.

Freethinker
04-16-2007, 08:25 PM
It takes a greater suspension of reason to believe that the world in its myriad manifestations was created accidently and that the ongoing changes are more accidents in an unending series of fortuitous accidents than it does to believe that there is a Grand Architect of the Universe

I could not disagree more.

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Religion is the one area of discourse in America in which people are systematically protected from the requirement to provide evidence and valid arguments in defense of their strongly held beliefs. Consequently, we live in a world in which millions of ostensibly sane men and women make use of fairy tales to explain that of which they are completely ignorant; the origin of the universe.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Bullshlit, Thislin. When you accuse someone of making a bald face assertion of an untruth you are calling them a liar.
I can only conclude that you don't want to even try to demonstrate why you think the way you do. Taking "offense" like that is grandstanding and evasion.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 08:56 PM
I could not disagree more.

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Religion is the one area of discourse in America in which people are systematically protected from the requirement to provide evidence and valid arguments in defense of their strongly held beliefs. Consequently, we live in a world in which millions of ostensibly sane men and women make use of fairy tales to explain that of which they are completely ignorant; the origin of the universe.
You disagree. Are you accusing him of lying? Of course not. I said the same thing about his bald unsupported assertion and he says I accuse him of lying.

What he is guilty of is wanting something to be true and so convincing himself it is. That is a form of subtle lying to oneself that creationists do a lot of.

Thislin
04-16-2007, 08:58 PM
My argument for random evolution...the platypus.
Another argument is the kangaroo. Another is the Galapago iguana. Another is, well, nowadays there are few animals that don't produce good arguments for evolutionary theory.

Evakian
04-16-2007, 08:59 PM
Another is, well, nowadays there are few animals that don't produce good arguments for evolutionary theory.
Like West Virginians.

Freethinker
04-16-2007, 09:06 PM
What he is guilty of is wanting something to be true and so convincing himself it is.

Yes, absolutely.

To do that is the very essence at the center of religious "belief"....

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"Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding." --Martin Luther

"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow' disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins

"The masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession -- their ignorance." -- Henrick Van Loon

warrior1972
04-17-2007, 12:20 AM
I do not mind they teach intelligent design as long as they give credit to all gods and goddesses of the world not just the judeo christian verson of god. As long as they make it clear it could be anyone of the gods or goddesses out there designing us or aliens. Who knows maybe aliens who are more intelligent than us did it. Who knows? But we need to make sure one religion is not favored over the other.

janrich456
04-17-2007, 01:56 PM
No posts yet about the killings at the college ?????? that was a joke but I will no longer post to him as I have explained in an other post.

BorgHunter
04-17-2007, 01:59 PM
My argument for random evolution...the platypus.
My argument for random evolution...Vilepagan. ;)

Frogger
04-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Thislin,

I doubt you are stupid so stop acting like you are.

When you accuse someone of posting a bald faced untruth you are calling that person a liar. When you say you disagree with a person you are not calling them a liar. You are simply saying you think differently.

Frogger
04-17-2007, 02:04 PM
My argument for random evolution...Vilepagan. ;)


That's more an argument for God having a perverse sense of humor.:lolhit:

Thislin
04-17-2007, 04:49 PM
Thislin,

I doubt you are stupid so stop acting like you are.

When you accuse someone of posting a bald faced untruth you are calling that person a liar. When you say you disagree with a person you are not calling them a liar. You are simply saying you think differently.
Sorry but you are the one acting stupid. I already told you that a lie must be deliberate. An untruth is a broader category that includes lies but also includes errors, mistaken information, delusions, and so on.

What you want to do is obvious enough--you want something to get on a high horse about and grandstand so as to avoid addressing the actual issue of the untruth of your bald and unsupported assertions.

Thislin
04-17-2007, 04:54 PM
I do not mind they teach intelligent design as long as they give credit to all gods and goddesses of the world not just the judeo christian verson of god. As long as they make it clear it could be anyone of the gods or goddesses out there designing us or aliens. Who knows maybe aliens who are more intelligent than us did it. Who knows? But we need to make sure one religion is not favored over the other.
Teaching "intelligent design" would be about the same as teaching astrology.

In both cases people believe for religious rather than scientific reasons and then invent a pseudo-scientific rationale for their religious beliefs.

Personally I think creationism is taught in a lot of American schools already, in contravention of many court decisions. Religion should not be taught at public expense, and "intelligent design" is religion--it is a about God.

Evakian
04-17-2007, 04:57 PM
Thislin,

I doubt you are stupid so stop acting like you are.

When you accuse someone of posting a bald faced untruth you are calling that person a liar. When you say you disagree with a person you are not calling them a liar. You are simply saying you think differently.
Frogger,

I doubt you are stupid so stop acting like you are.

Read up on evolution so you stop believing in creationism.