In the interest of fairness (and as a part of my willingness to admit that I can be testy and combative at times) I'd like to solicit your opinion.

Who's more rude; me or dharmabum?

You don't have to be 18 to vote, but please only cast one vote per registered poster.

Many thanks & muchos gracias in advance, senors and senoritas.


Senor Muey Cortés Sparquelito

Is this a trick question?

db does have some kind of chip on his shoulder thats true. Sparky only gets mean when he drinks I thinks. xx oo :flowers:

Sparky called my great grandmother a "butt squirrel." I cannot stand for this outrage!

As for the poll, I'd write in FT.

In the interest of fairness (and as a part of my willingness to admit that I can be testy and combative at times) I'd like to solicit your opinion.

To what end? I understand your frustration Sparky, but I think a poll like this serves little purpose. We allow a certain amount of rudeness here and in fairness to dharma I think he was a little taken aback by that when he first came here, and has perhaps overcompensated a bit. He'll find his rudeness comfort level soon enough and if it's within acceptable limits that's something people here will have to deal with. As you've pointed out you can be a little testy at times yourself, as we all are to one degree or another, and while your expressions of rudeness are usually more entertaining than most, they can be equally provoking, perhaps even moreso. Everybody's rude in their own way when they are frustrated or angry, and I'd say that neither one of you comes close to being the rudest. :)


You don't have to be 18 to vote, but please only cast one vote per registered poster.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the system only allows one vote/poll for any registered user.

Though I haven't seen the thread that provoked this, I'm pretty sure it was dharmabum making another one of his ridiculous claims, not any general frustration on the part of Sparky.

To what end? I understand your frustration Sparky, but I think a poll like this serves little purpose. We allow a certain amount of rudeness here and in fairness to dharma I think he was a little taken aback by that when he first came here, and has perhaps overcompensated a bit. He'll find his rudeness comfort level soon enough and if it's within acceptable limits that's something people here will have to deal with. As you've pointed out you can be a little testy at times yourself, as we all are to one degree or another, and while your expressions of rudeness are usually more entertaining than most, they can be equally provoking, perhaps even moreso. Everybody's rude in their own way when they are frustrated or angry, and I'd say that neither one of you comes close to being the rudest. :)



BTW, I'm pretty sure the system only allows one vote/poll for any registered user.
I think a certain amount of "rudeness" is built into a board like this, but I never pictured "Sparky" as being anywhere near as rude as several others, including "Dharbamum."

What I mean by "built in," is that, in polite society, one does not say, "You are wrong," while on this board that is what I at least want to hear, so that something can get going.

Of course it is possible and probably better to couch it in less personal terms--"that is incorrect," or "As I understand it."

Another question is where does courtesy end and hypocrisy or condescension begin? I am sometimes blunt--I remember just recently being so to "Sparky." Since I think his faith is a biological thing involved with an instinct to hold onto childhood indoctrination, is there any way to actually express this without saying things that he could easily be offended by?

We are all adults. For that reason I think people who demand apologies or complain all the time about rudeness from others may only be grandstanding.

One thing I do object to, but I think I have to accept, is the idea that insulting others is a form of entertainment--that the insult is OK if done in a clever way. The thin line is whether it is really an insult or only a jab in the ribs, since the latter is something even the target appreciates.

Is this a trick question?
Yeah, really.

Looks like dharma's in the lead. :thumbs:

Yeah, really.

Looks like dharma's in the lead. :thumbs:
but will he be grateful for finally winning something?:rolleyes:

Sparky makes me laugh, so I dont mind.

13/1 i think Dharmqueen found it:@@:

sparky2 is a dickhead:thumbs: i can say that now sir :D i voted 4 db

Ha ha ha ha!!

You rude little rapscallion, there's a future in rudeness for you yet.
:thumbs:

Sorry Sparky, you just don't have that rude spirit in you. I'm afraid that dharma gets my vote

I think there are many people on here who are extremely rude to dharma. He gives as good as he gets.

Having said that, I vote for me as the rudest. Look out Sparkster, it's the Salster gonna take ya down guy! :D

A beautifully deft bit of diplomatic peace-making, sister Sal.
Kudos, for both your concern, and for your willingness to wade in and play the Uber-Rudemisstress.

But do you have what it takes to elevate the normal & conventional rudeness/insensitive/ingracious/bitchiness-inclinations, and step it up a notch or two?

Are you ready to engage the warp engines, and go to Hyper-Rude??

http://images.inmagine.com/img/inmagine/ind021/hyp0008.jpg

I think there are many people on here who are extremely rude to dharma. He gives as good as he gets.


Thank you. Some people can dish it out but they really cannot take it.

Thank you. Some people can dish it out but they really cannot take it.
"Sal" agrees with you politically, so she is a bit of a hyporcrite when it comes to who insults whom. You, on the other hand, don't know how to express yourself to someone you disagree with without trying to put them down. I wonder if you realize how detested you really are, and, as a result, how ineffective you are. I know I gave up reading you entirely.

"Sal" agrees with you politically, so she is a bit of a hyporcrite when it comes to who insults whom. You, on the other hand, don't know how to express yourself to someone you disagree with without trying to put them down. I wonder if you realize how detested you really are, and, as a result, how ineffective you are. I know I gave up reading you entirely.
Sal is nowhere near as liberal as dharma, and she is a pretty unbiased source when it comes to judging these sorts of disputes. For you to call her a hypocrite is, in my opinion, despicable.

Thank you. Some people can dish it out but they really cannot take it.
http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg

You, on the other hand, don't know how to express yourself to someone you disagree with without trying to put them down

You are wrong. I do it all the time.

You are just as rude as I am, so your hypocrisy is laughable.

Why is this in the Religion forum? Shouldn't it be in the "Stupid crap that should never be read, ever" forum?

Dark, can you at least admit that I tried to be nice when I first came here?

You are wrong. I do it all the time.

You are just as rude as I am, so your hypocrisy is laughable.
He's a little more passive-aggressive about it though... Maddening, because he can always claim that he wasn't being rude if you call him out on it.

Dark, can you at least admit that I tried to be nice when I first came here?
I don't remember, but I believe you. My point is that if you're going to be rude to everyone to retaliate, don't complain about how rude other people are to you. You're just continuing the cycle, and you have no right to ask others to break it.

I wonder if you realize how detested you really are, and, as a result, how ineffective you are. I know I gave up reading you entirely

1. That is rude.
2. The 2nd sentence is a lie by virtue of the fact he did read and respond to me.

I don't remember, but I believe you. My point is that if you're going to be rude to everyone to retaliate, don't complain about how rude other people are to you.

Ironicly enough, it was Sparky complaining that I was rude that started this discussion.

There are plenty of people on here far ruder than I have ever been.

I have never made a death threat, unlike certain other posters on here.

There only seems to be a line to cross for certain posters, myself included, while other posters seem to be able to say anything they want without anyone complaining (besides myself).

What have I ever done to compare with making death threats?

Ironicly enough, it was Sparky complaining that I was rude that started this discussion.

There are plenty of people on here far ruder than I have ever been.

I have never made a death threat, unlike certain other posters on here.

There only seems to be a line to cross for certain posters, myself included, while other posters seem to be able to say anything they want without anyone complaining.

What have I ever done to compare with making death threats?
I have never condoned any death threats. I usually try to call out rudeness whenever I see it. Sometimes the thread has moved on quite a bit by the time I read it and sometimes I am too lazy, so excuse me if I don't waste my time lecturing every time someone says something rude. The line is the same for all posters in my mind.

I have never condoned any death threats.

I never saw you complain about it either.

I did, and was told to "lighten up."

sometimes I am too lazy,

nice to know I motivate you so...

The line is the same for all posters in my mind.

It should be in my mind too. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the reality on here.

1. That is rude.
2. The 2nd sentence is a lie by virtue of the fact he did read and respond to me.
Defensive reaction. Stop a moment and think. Of course what I said was rude--there is no other way to say it--and of course I read that message. So what? This is about you, and your "tu quoque" defenses only reinforce that what is said about you is the truth.

Of course what I said was rude--there is no other way to say it

I don't buy that. You are rude to me as a matter of course.

It seems you just lack the ability to think of a way to say anything to me without being rude.


and of course I read that message. So what?

So you admit you lied when you said you "gave up reading me entirely".

Maybe there should be a new poll--whos the rudest poster, period.

I nominte phyrex. He picks fights with everybody.

He's a........a......TURD.






























Just kiddding, phyrex. Please put that grenade launcher down.

it's nice to see that DB has one person that agrees with him.

Maybe there should be a new poll--whos the rudest poster, period.

I nominte phyrex. He picks fights with everybody.

He's a........a......TURD.

Just kiddding, phyrex. Please put that grenade launcher down.

ILL BEAT YOUR ASS SON! Ill put a JDAM right through the window of your house! How dare you call me out. ITS ON!

ARE YOU READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMBLE!?!??!?!??!?!?

ILL BEAT YOUR ASS SON! Ill put a JDAM right through the window of your house! How dare you call me out. ITS ON!

ARE YOU READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMBLE!?!??!?!??!?!?
you're aware that Ren is old enough to be your mom, eh?

That's GRAND--ma.

Go stand in the corner, sonny.

That's GRAND--ma.

Go stand in the corner, sonny.
what are you gonna do if i don't? spank me?:corn:

it's nice to see that DB has one person that agrees with him.

Thanks. Your concern is touching.

:)

OK, this has gone on much longer than I ever imagined that it would.

I officially call it a draw, and concede that I am at least as rude as dharmabum.

Dharmabum is, in the eyes of the voting membership, one rude and argumentative son of a gun.

I am, by my own admission, one rude and instigative bastard.
I am an apolitical and mischievous jackass, and am a terrible Christian, by any measure.
I have never been one to turn the other cheek.
I stirred a tempest in a teacup, (the entire topic of rudeness, on a public web-forum no less) and it was clearly my stated intention to cause trouble.

I vote that this entire thread be retired to the Hall of Shame, and then this august body can move on to much more noble pursuits.
This issue of Anna Nicole Smith's boobies, perhaps.
Or maybe Michael Jackson's pneumonia.
:slap:

I vote for Sparky because he has a motorcycle and i like motorcycles so there!







Seriously is this a popularity contest?....pathetic.

No kidding. I win all the popularity around here!

I vote for Sparky because he has a motorcycle and i like motorcycles so there!







Seriously is this a popularity contest?....pathetic.
and popularity is based on what? how you get along with others:rolleyes:

Dark, can you at least admit that I tried to be nice when I first came here?

Darkfantasy, it's all my fault. Dharmabum came out with this anti-corporate crap piece and I had to come in and trash it thoroughly like the obnoxious son of a bitch that I can be. From there, the rest is history. Ironically, dharmabum responded to me by saying that he only engages in polite debate.

Dammit.

I vote for Sparky because he has a motorcycle and i like motorcycles so there!







Seriously is this a popularity contest?....pathetic.
You should go to Vietnam. Everyone, including the proverbial "little old lady" drives a motorbike there (motorcycles--over 150 cc--are not allowed unless you are a foreigner, but then you would be a foreigner).

Who's more rude; me or dharmabum?My glib retort is the rudest of the pair of you is the one who would make a poll asking such a question. For this reason I voted for you.

But that's just to make a point. I've actually always found you a pleasant and entertaining poster and am susprised to see you doing this. Mind you, I'd be a hypocrite to condemn you too strongly considering the bitch-slaps I've been sending Thislin's way recently, lol (Vile told me off for this and frankly he was right to do so).

"Sal" agrees with you politically, so she is a bit of a hyporcrite when it comes to who insults whom. You, on the other hand, don't know how to express yourself to someone you disagree with without trying to put them down. I wonder if you realize how detested you really are, and, as a result, how ineffective you are. I know I gave up reading you entirely.
Well now, you and I could really get into it over that one baby. "I'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to who insults whom?" ::smiles:: ya know Thislin, we often times see our own short comings in those whom we find easiest to criticise. That goes for me too of course. I can see your hypocricy for miles. When you stepped into the arguement that SMW and I had going that was a surprise for me. She is very, very right wing. I did not view you that way until your comments in that thread. I thought you were more Buddha like. You know, peace for the world and a seeker of inner self peace. I learned you were not on that day. I was tempted to have a bit of a go at you at the time, but took the higher ground and ignored you. Today, all I will say once again is, that which most annoys us in others is merely a reflection of self. I'm sure Buddha likely preaches that somewhere as it is only rational and logical, wouldn't you agree?

I am not "right wing." I am a centrist politically--"right wing on most economic matters, with the exception of the need for compassion, and quite to the left of center on social issues.

I forget the debate you were having with her, and only remember my feeling that you were being unfair. We all have an "underdog" complex. I think that patriotism is a worthy emotion so long as it doesn't devolve into jingoism, and, if I recall correctly, I was defending her patriotic attitude.

To be "Buddha like" does not mean to be a pacifist, although it is often presented that way. It means more to be compassionate and to encourage helpful things. The overthrow of murderous dictators strikes me as compassionate.

It also means to have a high regard for the value of life--all life--but also recognizing that we are in a trap of suffering that we think we can mitigate but in the long run we cannot. Therefore a stoic attitude is better: overcoming one's desires and learning to live mindfully.

Buddhism has no "solutions" to the world's problems, and Buddhists are all over the political spectrum, as are members of most other religions. I see Buddhist ethics and the Buddhist world view as superior to those of other religions and to that of the materialist, so I try to follow its principles, but I am also an individual and do not need to be pigeonholed.

Dharmabum came out with this anti-corporate crap piece and I had to come in and trash it thoroughly...

You tried and failed. :)

I am not "right wing." I am a centrist politically--"right wing on most economic matters, with the exception of the need for compassion, and quite to the left of center on social issues..

Then your post in the thread that was meant to be satirical absolutely baffles me. You seem to be pro-war/Bush to more of a degree than anyone else on the forum when you were supporting the possible death of the writers son.


I forget the debate you were having with her, and only remember my feeling that you were being unfair. We all have an "underdog" complex. I think that patriotism is a worthy emotion so long as it doesn't devolve into jingoism, and, if I recall correctly, I was defending her patriotic attitude. Well it did not come across that way. SMW is not an underdog. She is a strong, out-spoken women perfectly capable of defending herself against me. She and I have sparred before and will again. There is a respect between us that is best left to us alone. To step into such an argument by taking sides while attepting to present as a mediator is not helpful. It only fuels the fire and you are more than bright enough to be aware of that.



To be "Buddha like" does not mean to be a pacifist, although it is often presented that way. It means more to be compassionate and to encourage helpful things. I am aware of that. What I am attempting to say to you in as nice a way as possible is that your cruelty or darker nature is sometimes quite evident Thislin. When you bark at dharma, you dim your own light. As do I when I bark at SMW. Their behavior is irrelevant. You then compounded it by calling me a hypocrite. That was truly dark, and not helpful for the discussion at hand.


The overthrow of murderous dictators strikes me as compassionate. ? I view Bush as a murderous dictator. Would you support my right to enter your country and over throw him?

It's all in one's perspective Thislin. Dharma is often right in his view. Just because it it opposite to yours does not make him wrong or a fool. Just because I can be extremely left in some of my views and extremely right in others does not make me a fool. And cringing when I see six people gangbang another because they do not like their political leanings or the way they present does not make me a hypocrite.

OK, Sal... you've gone too far by saying this:

"She is very, very right wing."

I deeply resent being labeled right wing when my views on humankind in general lean way left.

So there, you... you... you...













CANADIAN!!

I deeply resent being labeled right wing when my views on humankind in general lean way left.

What do you mean by "views on humankind"? Can you give an example?

Then your post in the thread that was meant to be satirical absolutely baffles me. You seem to be pro-war/Bush to more of a degree than anyone else on the forum when you were supporting the possible death of the writers son.
I support most of what Bush is doing, maybe because I see the world in larger terms. Saddam would have gone on sooner or later to create a situation similar to what the world had to deal with in the Hitler/Japan combination. Better to cut it off when the opportunity presents itself (such opportunities are rare and it is the task of leaders to take them).

The larger moral question here is whether, when one has the ability and opportunity to remove a great evil from the world, one is morally obliged to do so. The 9-11 terrorism gave Bush an opportunity window and America certainly has the ability.

The ongoing mess should be "solved" by withdrawal of active American soldiers. The terrorism is no worse than that in Algeria or Pakistan or the Philippines, and certainly much less than Israel has dealt with (it is exaggerated way beyond reason by the press). These governments handle it on their own. The U.S. duty to remove Saddam is accomplished; we cannot become a permanent occupying force.

That said, the question is how to achieve the withdrawal without creating another Vietnam--in other words, how to do it without making it seem America has again betrayed its democratic friends--and thereby taking the resistance spirit with them. What the British are doing--withdrawing one province at a time on an unscheduled (even target dates have entirely adverse effects) basis seems close to what I think would be best. I hate to think of the consequences of a politically mandated withdrawal as the Democrats are pushing--this is utterly irresponsible for cheap politics.

I am aware of that. What I am attempting to say to you in as nice a way as possible is that your cruelty or darker nature is sometimes quite evident Thislin. When you bark at dharma, you dim your own light. As do I when I bark at SMW. Their behavior is irrelevant. You then compounded it by calling me a hypocrite. That was truly dark, and not helpful for the discussion at hand.

If you are going to defend that individual, then you are the one I find dark. However, don't be overly concerned; he told me he didn't plan to respond to me any more, and I will return the favor--believe me, he does me a favor.

I view Bush as a murderous dictator. Would you support my right to enter your country and over throw him?

That is just plain silly; he was democratically elected and his term of office will be up in a couple of years. You could as easily say FDR or Churchill or Lincoln were "murderous dictators." What right, after all, did the North have to "impose" its cultural norms on the South?

OK, Sal... you've gone too far by saying this:

"She is very, very right wing."

I deeply resent being labeled right wing when my views on humankind in general lean way left.

So there, you... you... you...













CANADIAN!!
I think anyone who is way to the left sees anyone in the center as "right wing." (The same applies to anyone who is way to the right.

OK, Sal... you've gone too far by saying this:

"She is very, very right wing."

I deeply resent being labeled right wing when my views on humankind in general lean way left.

So there, you... you... you...

CANADIAN!!

Oops...zing... :D

I am sure those leftist leanings will leak out around here at some point. Be careful now, all your staunch right end supporters will abandon you, perhaps even brutally attack you. Not to worry though, I might jump to your defense. Maybe not, we don't want to seem too cozy eh? :eek: Probably not though, socially I am a moderate and even slightly right leaning. Hehe, we might find a meeting point some day though :p You socialist ..............American you!

When you bark at dharma, you dim your own light. As do I when I bark at SMW.
When I bark, wolves turn into puppies.

When I bark, wolves turn into puppies.
That's it? When I bark, I hear a bunch of scantily clad women swoon and ask me to do it again.

You forgot to mention it's only German Shepards, and that not only do they swoon, they rip your clothes off with their teeth.

Well yes, but I am at a support group to stop my addiction to this fetish.

When I bark, wolves turn into puppies.

mew...

That's it? When I bark, I hear a bunch of scantily clad women swoon and ask me to do it again.
:eek:

I think anyone who is way to the left sees anyone in the center as "right wing." (The same applies to anyone who is way to the right.
I don't think Sal is "way to the left". She is left wing, but not VERY left wing. SMW is right wing, but definitely not VERY right wing. See, it works :)

I don't think Sal is "way to the left". She is left wing, but not VERY left wing. SMW is right wing, but definitely not VERY right wing. See, it works :)
To my mind, someone who says that Bush is a "murderous dictator" is way off in left field. This is demonization, not rational political thought.

Only demonize the demons.

Well yes, but I am at a support group to stop my addiction to this fetish.
Is it the same kind of support group that NA runs, the kind where they hand out dope to the addicts? Only in this case, rottweilers?

No kidding. I win all the popularity around here! You're right. titty kitty is far superior to the motorcycle.