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Dunkirk101
03-28-2007, 02:28 AM
Do you think General Patton should have been held accountablefor this?

Biscari massacre

" The Biscari massacre was a war crime committed by U.S. troops during World War II, in which unarmed German and Italian prisoners of war were killed at Biscari in 1943.

Following the capture of Biscari Airfield in Sicily on July 14, 1943, seventy-four Italian and two German POWs were shot by American troops of the 180th Regimental Combat Team, 45th Division during the Allied invasion Operation Husky. These killings occurred in two separate incidents between July and August 1943. The first incident involved 34 Italians and 2 Germans, while the second involved 40 Italians. The shootings violated Article 13 of the Third Geneva Convention on the treatment of POWs.

Sergeant Horace T. West was charged in the first incident with killing the 36 POWs under his charge. West admitted that he had participated in the shootings, was found guilty, stripped of rank and sentenced to life in prison, though he was later released as a private. In the second incident, Captain John T. Compton was court-martialed for killing 40 POWs in his charge. He claimed to be following orders. The investigating officer and the Judge Advocate declared that Compton's actions were unlawful, but he was acquitted. Compton was merely transferred to another regiment and died a year later fighting in Italy. This was seen at the time as a clear case of injustice and differing treatment for officers and NCOs.

Those involved claimed in their defence they were following orders. They quoted General George Patton’s speech to them before the invasion of Sicily:

When we land against the enemy, don't forget to hit him and hit him hard. When we meet the enemy we will kill him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die. If you company officers in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and when you get within two hundred yards of him he wishes to surrender – oh no! That bastard will die! You will kill him. Stick him between the third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. Stick him in the liver. We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion he will fight less. We must build up that name as killers. (Botting 355)

Neither Patton nor the unit commanding officer, Colonel E. Cookson, was held officially responsible in any way"


link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_Massacre

WindWip
03-28-2007, 04:22 PM
Interesting that a general of our army would say something like that.

Phyrex
03-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Interesting that a general of our army would say something like that.

With the way Patton was? Not really. He was a no nonsence, rip your balls off guy.

Pendragon
03-30-2007, 11:45 PM
With the way Patton was? Not really. He was a no nonsence, rip your balls off guy.

That quite possibly might be one of the most precise and insightful sumation of General Patton that I've ever seen. :thumbs:

dharmabum
04-01-2007, 04:02 PM
A war crime is a war crime.

paulc
04-03-2007, 03:02 PM
I always found Patton a bit of a thorn in the side of the top brass.Great soldier,hard as nails,but not the 'gentleman' his superiors would have liked.
Always thought he was right about the ruskies.

es347fan
04-03-2007, 11:02 PM
Patton was a fine combat leader. He was right about the Russians.

Travh20
04-11-2007, 04:41 PM
Interesting that a general of our army would say something like that.

actuallly what is more interesting is that they dont talk like that anymore. political correctness has infected our army I am sad to say.

moderate
04-12-2007, 01:26 AM
Sadly, in todays military, it is best not to do anything and say nothing, unless your actions, or words have been cleared by a senior JAG officer.

Frogger
04-12-2007, 03:26 AM
Patton was scum.

rendova
04-12-2007, 08:58 AM
He did rescue the besieged men at Bastogne.

Frogger
04-12-2007, 09:19 AM
I have despised Patton since I first heard about him slapping the battle fatigued soldier in the hospital. The more I learn about him the more I despise him.

rendova
04-12-2007, 09:37 AM
That happened not just once but twice.

He did have an anger management problem as well as a love of himself.

I don't think anyone would call him a gentleman.

Travh20
04-12-2007, 09:52 AM
he was a good combat commander and that is what we needed at that time. It doesnt matter if he was liked or not, he got the job done.

Phyrex
04-12-2007, 10:11 AM
Patton was an amazing war leader. He got the job done under conditions that were thought impossible. His attitude, not to mention stature, was a weapon in itself. His men probably hated him, but they respected him to no end, he would do anything for them, and they for him.

rendova
04-12-2007, 10:12 AM
I do respect the man, and what he accomplished.....

Just don't care for him personally.

Frank5066609
02-06-2008, 10:09 AM
I have read the text of Patton's speech to the 180th. However, I cannot find it authenticated, word for word, in any biography of this gentleman. Is there proof somewhere that he actually uttered the words as set out by Dunkirk 101 on 03-28-2007?

Dunkirk101
02-06-2008, 12:36 PM
I do respect the man, and what he accomplished.....

Just don't care for him personally.

Rendova, I have been searching everywhere (and I mean EVERYWHERE) for the poster in your sig.

Where did you locate that at? :eek:

rendova
02-07-2008, 09:34 AM
Rendova, I have been searching everywhere (and I mean EVERYWHERE) for the poster in your sig.

Where did you locate that at? :eek:

Sure, Dunkirk. It's from this website:

http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/

Our library has some reproductions up in the hallways in honor of our World War II Veteran's project. I love looking at them.

DarkFantasy96
02-07-2008, 12:08 PM
That's a great resource, Ren! I love looking at the old posters.

Dunkirk101
02-07-2008, 01:50 PM
Sure, Dunkirk. It's from this website:

http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/

Our library has some reproductions up in the hallways in honor of our World War II Veteran's project. I love looking at them.

Thanks :cool:

Travh20
02-12-2008, 10:39 AM
A war crime is a war crime.

Ask John Kerry, admitted war criminal who the democrats still voted for.