Once again My blood got boiled while listening to a night time talk show on the radio.
This illegal imigrant was telling the host how America owed him money, he was telling how much he hated this country, and how much he hated working for American trash. He said it is America's fault that he is poor, and that the American's are suppose to give the Imigrants children free schooling. The host asked "why dont you leave". he said that he would not leave until he got what was owed to him. He said that his kids were owed as well. The sh**y part about this whole deal is that there are people(American's) that side with him. Does anybody here think we should give the imigrants a crap load of money because they came here and took the sh** job's?

Infuriating, isn't it? Last night, Leno made mention of California now issuing driver's licenses to illegals, so apparently there's truth in that rumor. Nobody is forcing any of these criminal immigrants to stay here. As they are in violation of a variety of laws regarding their entry into the country, not reporting their presence, etc, they are criminals. As such, illegal immigrants should receive the same attention from the general public & the law enforcement types as do the FBI's infamous "10 Most Wanted".

Originally posted by es347fan
Infuriating, isn't it? Last night, Leno made mention of California now issuing driver's licenses to illegals, so apparently there's truth in that rumor. Nobody is forcing any of these criminal immigrants to stay here. As they are in violation of a variety of laws regarding their entry into the country, not reporting their presence, etc, they are criminals. As such, illegal immigrants should receive the same attention from the general public & the law enforcement types as do the FBI's infamous "10 Most Wanted".

People just don't get that 9/11 showed that we need to really be careful about who we have wandering around our country. "Oh, but Jose wouldn't hurt anyone like the terrorists did." Well sure, but we can't treat people differently under the law - they have to all be treated the same. But that's a fundamental rule almost no one understands.

You're right about that Lionel. Most indiviuals in this country feel it is their right to be afforded preferential treatment. We should not be surpised that an illegal immigrant feels the same way. Our country taught him/her that concept in the first place.

Morons like this are why I want to move to Canada.

Lionel,

You bring up a good point, one that I have often wondered about myself. If we are so concerned about terrorists getting in this country, why are there still thousands upon thousands of people immigrating to American illegally across the Mexican border?

It sure seems like it would be pretty damn easy for a terrorist to get a boat ride over to Mexico and tap dance their way on in. What's the point of all the airport security if it's that easy?

Come on ! Stop the paranoia, all of you ! 9-11 seems to have frozen your brains.

Illegal immigration may be a problem for the USA, but seeing illegal immigrants as criminals and potential terrorists is totally outrageous.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Come on ! Stop the paranoia, all of you ! 9-11 seems to have frozen your brains.

Illegal immigration may be a problem for the USA, but seeing illegal immigrants as criminals and potential terrorists is totally outrageous.

Easy for you to say - your country isn't missing 3,000 people. I just don't see how you can say that someone breaking the law shouldn't be considered a criminal!!! Should the laws change depending on who you are? If you murder someone should you get a lighter sentence than a terrorist because you're basically a nice person? The minute you start selectively applying the laws based on your own particular biases is exactly when society starts breaking down.

Viewing these illegal immigrants as criminals & potential terrorists is not an indication of paranoia. Do not attempt to characterize this as some indicator of a delusion. It is no secret to anyone that there are zealots who will stop at nothing to bring whatever destruction they can to the lifestyle of the US.

If you people want to see criminals and terroroists, take a look at those elitists on the hill in DC. And take a look at yourselves too, because they never could have become the scurge they are without your consent.
How nice for you all to have developed selective memories so that you can dismiss the fact that it is YOU who do not belong here.
It is YOU who invaded this country terrorized, decieved and stole this land from the natives. It is YOU who genocided them by the millions with your smallpox infested blankets.
It is YOU who supported slavery and segregation of blacks- which you still do to this day. It is YOU who stole calif from the mexicans, and who you have made into your new niggers.
It is YOU who march your troops off to country after country to do the very same to anyone who else who is poor, defenseless, less than WASP and doesn't favor your demon religion and doesn't subscribe to your murderous patriot policies.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Easy for you to say - your country isn't missing 3,000 people.

I just mean that the horror of 9-11 has nothing to do with illegal immigration. if you have any information proving the opposite, I will be glad to learn it.


I just don't see how you can say that someone breaking the law shouldn't be considered a criminal!!! Should the laws change depending on who you are?

Precisely, the only difference between you and an illegal immigrant is not what he has done but what he is. Being born on the wrong side of the border is not a crime, it is just bad luck. And trying to get a better life by entering the country is maybe illegal but it does not harm anyone. Your ancestors probaly did the same at a time when immigration quotas were just different. So the "crime" here is very relative.

OK, how about if we ship a million immigrants annually to France? No documentation, no permission, just send them across the borders from all directions. Let's see how you like it.

We were the first illegal immigrants. Most "immigrant's" families have probably been here for the last 100,000 years.

We were illegal immigrants? Really? The American indian tribes had an immigration system that we ignored, thus coming here illegally? This is news to me!!

Give it up Blob!

They held territory. They protected that territory, even though none of them owned it, they understood that nature owned them. I think slaughtering hundreds of thousands, taking their stuff, destroying the land they were on, shoving them all into tiny reservations, and throwing them to slave labour is wrong. But then again, 90% of white people have no morality, and have no qualms over sending many civilizations to extinction. At leas the Romans didn't destroy cultures, and tear up landscapes for their benefit. Asians never did either. It wasn't untill the 18th century and the introduction of capitalism and imperialism did people start ripping apart the earth and sending cultures to extinction. No white person's family dates back more than 250 years on this continent. My family has only been here for 50.

Originally posted by Blibblob
But then again, 90% of white people have no morality, and have no qualms over sending many civilizations to extinction. At leas the Romans didn't destroy cultures, and tear up landscapes for their benefit. Asians never did either. It wasn't untill the 18th century and the No white person's family dates back more than 250 years on this continent. My family has only been here for 50. LMAO little boy. Did they teach you this self hate in school? Or did one of your books you profess to read teach you this? You really need to grow up and experience life before you start preaching morality and the lack thereof in the white race you moron.

Blib - your family has only been here 50 years? Where were they the last 100,000? I didn't realize that humanity stretched back that far. Where did you come up with that particular number?

Until this spread of dirt now called the United States became a nation & developed its own laws, nobody was an illegal immigrant. They were colonists, and settlers seeking life in the New World. Some wanted to come here, and some, forced against their will to leave their homelands. As the country developed, borders were established. Regardless, there are immigration laws in place by the current owners of the land, and those who break those laws by not following those laws are criminals.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Precisely, the only difference between you and an illegal immigrant is not what he has done but what he is. Being born on the wrong side of the border is not a crime, it is just bad luck. And trying to get a better life by entering the country is maybe illegal but it does not harm anyone. Your ancestors probaly did the same at a time when immigration quotas were just different. So the "crime" here is very relative.

To answer your first point, which didn't show up in the quote above, all of the 9/11 terrorists entered this country. Honestly, I don't recall whether they did it legitimately or not, but the point is that we need to know who's entering this country. We have set up any number of legitimate ways to get into this country. They chose not to use these methods. It's kind of like stealing something and then mailing payment to the merchant a week later. That's still theft.

The difference between me and an illegal immigrant is that I follow the law and the illegal immigrant doesn't. Yes, I was damn lucky to be born in this country. Other people that weren't are allowed into this country every year in large numbers because they follow the rules. My relatives came here when immigration rules were different, or actually didn't exist since they showed up here before the U.S. existed. But the point is that they followed the rules too. The laws exist to keep the country from getting bogged down taking care of an immigrant population that can't afford to take care of itself. Yes, it may seem like another heartless conservative argument, but between the poor that already exist in America and the poor in other countries that the U.N. wants us to take care of, money gets a little tight.

I'm sorry but your idea of selective law enforcement is just enfuriating. Blacks and other minorities rightly get quite upset when they feel that laws are selectively enforced against them. I certainly don't want to get hauled off to jail because someone desided to selective suspecd my constitutional rights. If you want to argue that the law should be changed, that's one thing, but any argument that the law should be selectively enforced is completely assinine.

Originally posted by willow
If you people want to see criminals and terroroists, take a look at those elitists on the hill in DC. And take a look at yourselves too, because they never could have become the scurge they are without your consent.
How nice for you all to have developed selective memories so that you can dismiss the fact that it is YOU who do not belong here.
It is YOU who invaded this country terrorized, decieved and stole this land from the natives. It is YOU who genocided them by the millions with your smallpox infested blankets.
It is YOU who supported slavery and segregation of blacks- which you still do to this day. It is YOU who stole calif from the mexicans, and who you have made into your new niggers.
It is YOU who march your troops off to country after country to do the very same to anyone who else who is poor, defenseless, less than WASP and doesn't favor your demon religion and doesn't subscribe to your murderous patriot policies.

Nope, sorry I didn't do a damn one of those things.

Lionel, do you pay income taxes, which pay for the US military's hardware, and the troops who do the actual hands on killing of innocents?

Hey Willow, are you an American citizen? Just wondering where all this hatred is coming from.

Last time I looked, it was Americans who just waged all out war on yet ANOTHER nation of innocent people , who never did a blessed thing to you. And you have the cjones to ask ME where all MY hatred is coming from.....
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Answer the question, willow.

I have to ask how the heck did you start comparing native Americans to the original post. This arsehole said he hated America and only wanted money so he could go back to his country. He bashed the heck out of American's calling us dogs and other choice words.

I do feel for the native American's and do agree that they got the sh**y end of the stick, but that is a whole different topic. To compare the native American's to the sh** that is invading this country is like comparing apples to trucks.

Willow give us an answer????????

Es 347, Mad dog, Lionel, etc…

I think there are two issues here, that are closely linked, but that deserve different answers.

First, illegal immigration.
I understand this is a problem, and I do not pretend the USA should let everyone come in without any check, both for security and economic reasons.
It is a matter of law and politics. You may think the borders should be closed to all foreign immigration, or have stricter quotas, OK. You may think illegal immigrants should be taken back to theit countries, OK again.

Second, illegal immigrants. The people.

I really think it is unfair to call them shit or criminals. Illegal, they are, sure. But criminals ? A crime is much more than breaking a law - or else, anyone who once has been driving too fast or drinking alcohol at 16 is a criminal. When you say from a man he is a criminal, you indicate that he is potentially dangerous - a murderer, a thief at least. So to call all illegal immigrants "criminals" is not innocent - it could be the first step towards a form of racism or xenophoby.

As individuals, many of these people just want to work hard, to get a better life, and to send money to their family. This was called the "American Dream" a few decades ago. They now are the most exploited people of our rich societies (we have the same problem in Europe), they are treated like slaves by people who benefit from their low-cost workforce. As lawbreakers, they may face the justice, but as human beings, they are entitled to respect, like anyone who tries to survive in a very harsh world.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Es 347, Mad dog, Lionel, etc…


Second, illegal immigrants. The people.

I really think it is unfair to call them shit or criminals. Illegal, they are, sure. But criminals ? A crime is much more than breaking a law - or else, anyone who once has been driving too fast or drinking alcohol at 16 is a criminal. When you say from a man he is a criminal, you indicate that he is potentially dangerous - a murderer, a thief at least. So to call all illegal immigrants "criminals" is not innocent - it could be the first step towards a form of racism or xenophoby.

Main Entry: 1crim·i·nal
Pronunciation: 'kri-m&-n&l, 'krim-n&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French criminel, from Late Latin criminalis, from Latin crimin- crimen crime
Date: 15th century
1 : relating to, involving, or being a crime <criminal neglect>
2 : relating to crime or to the prosecution of suspects in a crime <criminal statistics> <brought criminal action>
3 : guilty of crime; also : of or befitting a criminal <a criminal mind>



The real definition of a criminal is some related or involved in a crime. It is a crime to enter the United States illegally. Therefore, anyone who does so is a criminal. Plain and freakin simple isnt it? How come with liberals there are so many shades of grey? I admit there are some instances where things may be confused, but this is not one of them. ANYONE ENTERING THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY IS A CRIMINAL.

Also, once these people have shown they have no regard for our laws, why are we supposed to just believe they will not break any more of them? Can you answer that?

Without the Mexicans coming into the US and doing the low pay, low skilled, backbreaking manual labor that puts the fruit and vegetables on your tables, that butchers your beef for your fast food outlets, sets and clears your restauarant tables, scrubs your toilets, hauls your trash, parks your cars, mows your lawns, landscapes your gardens, cleans your homes, cooks your meals, cares for your kids while you and your gaggle of vapid hollywood wifes shop till you drop for the designer clothing they too sewed in those sweat shops, this country would come to a stand still and would be awash in a sea of it's own filth.

I used to live in LA and let me tell you there was not one restaurant that didn't have mexicans working busboy detail. And when I moved furthur north near the big agribusinness industries, all I saw stooped in the hot fields stinking with with toxic pesticides and herbicides, were again mexicans.
The same people who rightfully belong here, and resided here until the Getty's, JP Morgans, Rockefellers, Bush's and other oil barrons, central bankers, carpet baggers, and industrial tychoons realized the vast wealth they could ring out of this oil, and gold rich region.

It is also for this reason that marijuana became illegal. As the elite also held political office and owned the papers, they were able to speak and spread all manner of lies about the mexicans and their evil devil weed (marijuana) and how they were sure to kill us while we slept. (see Jack Herer's book - THE EMPOROR WEARS NO CLOTHES) And the rest is history... only to be repeated later against the Chinese with their opium, and blacks who would first rape our women with their enormous penises, then kill us.

You people also ought to read FAST FOOD NATION to see how the Mexican people are being exploited by the Mc fast food industry. How their slaughter houses run red with their severed body parts due to old and unsafe machinery. How they are callously dumped back across the border with no medical benfits, no work comp of any kind. All done of course with the full consent of your gov't, who is ever mindful of who butters their bread and finances their election campaigns.

Maddog perhaps you ought get yourself a job at one of these hellholes. Then maybe you will learn to have a little more understanding and compassion for people who you need and depend on more than you will ever know. .
All these people want is what our lieing politicians tell us they are determined to shove down the throats of the rest of the world. Human rights, dignity, a right to earn a decent living.....

And for people like Maddog to look down on them and to treat them like the scum of the earth - is the ultimate example of typical American hypocricy.

This Native American thing is just so typical of liberals. America haters are always yelling about how we treated them. You never hear them complain about how all the other countries who previously had land here treated them. British, French, Spanish, etc etc...

This Native American thing is just so typical of liberals. America haters are always yelling about how we treated them. You never hear them complain about how all the other countries who previously had land here treated them. British, French, Spanish, etc etc...
Wow, that comment was stupid. They do complain about how their ancestors were treated. It doesn't apply to them anymore, since none of them were alive then, it was 300 years ago. They complain now, because they have very good reason. The land that their ancestors owned is not being butchered by machinery. Their culture is thrown into tiny reservations. Although they like the fact that gambling and weed is legal there.

LMAO little boy. Did they teach you this self hate in school? Or did one of your books you profess to read teach you this? You really need to grow up and experience life before you start preaching morality and the lack thereof in the white race you moron.
Where in the hell did you get all of these stupid crazy ideas about the education system actually teaching anything other than US brainwashing?

Blib - your family has only been here 50 years? Where were they the last 100,000? I didn't realize that humanity stretched back that far. Where did you come up with that particular number?
My family was in the landscapes around Ireland, England, and Poland for as far back as we can date them. Um, the human race is far more than 100,000 years old. I know that 100,000 was kind of streaching it for people living in the Americas, since they traveled over there from Asia during the Ice Age.

Until this spread of dirt now called the United States became a nation & developed its own laws, nobody was an illegal immigrant. They were colonists, and settlers seeking life in the New World. Some wanted to come here, and some, forced against their will to leave their homelands. As the country developed, borders were established. Regardless, there are immigration laws in place by the current owners of the land, and those who break those laws by not following those laws are criminals.
Colonists are Imperialists. They stole land from others. I don't think the Europeans owned that land before they killed everybody on it. I don't think you would like it if a guest came into your house, claimed it to be theirs and then killed you when you complained.

Nope, sorry I didn't do a damn one of those things.
You said your family showed up before the US existed. So, they did. Your ancestors did all of those things. I'm not asking you to take full responibiliy for their actions, just to try and understand who were here first, and who's families killed to take that land.

This isn't an exercise in discussing the history of immigration in this country, this is here & now. Never mind the Native Americans, that's a discussion for another time & place.
The United States is faced with a serious threat within its' own borders. More Americans need to become much more secuity conscious than ever before. Is it going to take a repeat of the horrors of 9/11 for people to realize what they're up against?

Well Esfan,
Only as long as you and others are naive enough to believe with - no proof - that 9/11 happened just how your trainers told you it did. When you readily fall for the lies and traps they can continue to feed you all the garbage they so choose, till you willingly relinguish ALL your freedoms and rights, because you didn't bother to learn the diff between shit and shinola.



Stoopid people, never can see the handwriting on the wall till it topples on them.
You are bankrupt. You have no money. The Central Bankers - bought and paid for politicians- got you all to believe you had to spend, spend, spend on defense. And how safe do you feel now with your great and mighty military? ( Good lesson lost on why you don't kick the asses of every one on your way UP the ladder, and why you all shoud've listened when Jefferson etc warned that you stay out of foriegn gov'ts affairs. )

The stark reality is that the IMF/CB Cabal are preparing for what they know will hit the fan when they drop the axe on the US and commence collecting on their years of IMF loans to you. ( we are all indebted to theses sychopants, And you probably never heard on CNN how a few years back in New Zealand the people had to forfiet their life savings, save a mere 10g's to "help" pay off their IMF debts. In parts of S America, Africa where they also own the water/power they jacked rates sky high and the poorest of the poor are now dying being unable to afford even clean water )

(Their) militia troops aren't being rolled out here and there to protect any of you either, only their investments. Neither did they enact their Homeland Security and Patriot Acts to spy on foreign terrorists. They will be spying on YOU - as you are being marched down the path to dissolution of all that remains of your "democracy" and straight into their New Facist/ Comm- UN- ist World.
Nothing new here. Just what inevitably happens when ALL the wealth is allowed to be concentrated in the hands of the FEW.

Wow, that comment was stupid. They do complain about how their ancestors were treated. It doesn't apply to them anymore, since none of them were alive then, it was 300 years ago. They complain now, because they have very good reason. The land that their ancestors owned is not being butchered by machinery. Their culture is thrown into tiny reservations. Although they like the fact that gambling and weed is legal there.

You just COMPLETELY misinterpreted what I said. Why do I even bother? I'm talking about YOU and people like YOU. You always complain about how AMERICA treated native Americans back in the early days of the country. You never complain about how the other countries threated them when they had land over here. It's just what AMERICA did back then. Everyone else gets a pass.

For those of you who are naive to think that businesses caught with illegals will get in trouble, he's to show how the US don't care about those who are thought to be cheap labor workers and not terrorists in todays paper.

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The Philadelphia Inquirer
By Thomas Ginsberg and Maria Panaritis
Inquirer Staff Writers

U.S. agents limit scrutiny of illegal-immigrant arrests
Local cases are ignored if the person is not from a "high risk" country or a known criminal.

On a hazy day last spring, deep in the suburbs of Philadelphia, Newtown Police Sgt. Charles Patton pulled over a car for having illegally tinted windows.

Inside sat four Hispanic men - three with fishy-looking ID cards who blurted that they were illegal immigrants.

Patton figured they were just the kind of quarry federal immigration agents would want.

He was wrong.

"Cut 'em loose," Patton recalled an agent's response.

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the rest of the article is here

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/6724908.htm

Originally posted by willow
Maddog perhaps you ought get yourself a job at one of these hellholes. Then maybe you will learn to have a little more understanding and compassion for people who you need and depend on more than you will ever know. .
All these people want is what our lieing politicians tell us they are determined to shove down the throats of the rest of the world. Human rights, dignity, a right to earn a decent living.....

And for people like Maddog to look down on them and to treat them like the scum of the earth - is the ultimate example of typical American hypocricy.

Willow you don't know me from Adam, so stick it. I have had these jobs like I have said in other post I have washed dishes, shoveled sh**, and lets not forget I was in the service defending these pieces of sh** that come to this country and say I owe them something. BULLSH** the only thing I owe them is a good old a** kicking. When you take these jobs it is to get yourself started in life, then if you have half a freaken brain you move on. I can't help it if some dumba** comes to this country and chooses to suck d**K for a living no one asked them to come here in the first place.

Originally posted by es347fan
This isn't an exercise in discussing the history of immigration in this country, this is here & now. Never mind the Native Americans, that's a discussion for another time & place.
The United States is faced with a serious threat within its' own borders. More Americans need to become much more secuity conscious than ever before. Is it going to take a repeat of the horrors of 9/11 for people to realize what they're up against?

Well said Es347fan, like I said in the first post this guy is illegal, plus he was saying how much he hated this country and its people. I don't understand how some people can stick up for these type's of imigrants. If someone wants to live here fine, to it the legal way, and if you don't like it here then leave, but don't tell the rest of America that we owe you something.

This isn't an exercise in discussing the history of immigration in this country, this is here & now. Never mind the Native Americans, that's a discussion for another time & place.
The United States is faced with a serious threat within its' own borders. More Americans need to become much more secuity conscious than ever before. Is it going to take a repeat of the horrors of 9/11 for people to realize what they're up against?
Do anything to avoid the past?

You just COMPLETELY misinterpreted what I said. Why do I even bother? I'm talking about YOU and people like YOU. You always complain about how AMERICA treated native Americans back in the early days of the country. You never complain about how the other countries threated them when they had land over here. It's just what AMERICA did back then. Everyone else gets a pass.
WRONG DUMBASS! I never said anything about AMERICA. PAY ATTENTION! Get your mind off how much "[I'] hate America". I wasnt' talking about America, it didn't even exist then! I was talking about colonists, from France, Spain(worst by far though), English, Portugese and whoever else was there. Do you sometimes forget that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc. weren't American?

Ok, the point of the founding of this country was so that EVERYBODY was equal, not only Americans and the others can lick up their shit. America was so very open about how "special" it was, how "the streets are paved with gold", they wanted immigrants, they didn't realize the lashing back it would have. That people would still beleive that bullshit unto today. I'm sorry, but when you are so uptight about how great you are, how there are countless jobs, richest country on the planet, people are going to want that, they beleive that with 0 bucks they can become millionares. Guess what, you taught them that. It may not be true, but it is the propaganda bullshit that is spread. Then, when they are told that, they want it, can't afford to get in, but "America is generous".

Damnit blob you really are a worthless piece of shit. America is not perfect but is the best damn country there is so please shut your yap. So what if America is high on itself? It is the best country in the world. We DO have the most opportunities in the world. We DO have the most freedom. Need I go on? Saying there are great opportunities does not have to equal "great paying jobs for everyone!! Riches and gold for everyone!!! Utopia for everyone!!" as you seem to think.

willow, it's time for you to go back on your meds. Your paranoia is leaking out of your ears again.

Esfanola, In your rivited shut, uniformed little mind I can see why you would mistake knowledge for paranoia.

Originally posted by willow
Esfanola, In your rivited shut, uniformed little mind I can see why you would mistake knowledge for paranoia. Im the only one allowed to slander anyone on this forum. You take that back or i will send little green men to show you the correct usage of an anal probe while you are sleeping.

Oh, so you're the one who has problems seeing little green men weilding anal probes. But hey - they may have hatched up some green batches.
Oh but that reminds me. Saw on the science tech channel, some Co. in Japan actually unveiled a little silver one last month or so. Sorry, No anal probes present, that I was aware of though.

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I completely agree with you, what the hell do we owe him? I say we owe him a free ride back to where he came from! I think border patrol should be #1 priority for all states in the U.S. bordering Mexico. It's completely realistic to think that a terrorist could easily waltz in to any bordering state to gain access to the U.S. Mexico doesn't care who the hell comes into their country so who would stop them? If you want to come here, do it legally, like so many others do everyday. Why don't we start giving free healthcare to our own citizens who are in poverty before we help somebody else with their problems?! We don't owe them shit.

You know I'm pretty sure the Mexicans have plans to bean us to death. Or was it refry. I forget now, sorry. But so long as they come in across the border legally, I'm perfectly okay with that. How about the rest of you Gomers?

Originally posted by harlowgirl83
I completely agree with you, what the hell do we owe him? I say we owe him a free ride back to where he came from! I think border patrol should be #1 priority for all states in the U.S. bordering Mexico. It's completely realistic to think that a terrorist could easily waltz in to any bordering state to gain access to the U.S. Mexico doesn't care who the hell comes into their country so who would stop them? If you want to come here, do it legally, like so many others do everyday. Why don't we start giving free healthcare to our own citizens who are in poverty before we help somebody else with their problems?! We don't owe them shit. I could not agree with everything you said more. Why should we give free healthcare to these criminals when our own citizens go without? Its crazy. But your governor signed that bill just this week allowing for these criminals to get drivers licences. Free healthcare cannot be far behind.

HaVoK you are right, I'm glad you agree! Our own citizens are #1 priority and my Governor is King of All Dumbasses and only signed that law to appeal to Latinos. BTW, does that mean illegals can vote now too? AHHH! GOD HELP US ALL!

Why don't you gomers learn something about the kind of criminals we have right here, running our IMF owned gov't and how they get agents like broker, financier Georges Soros to destroy a nations currency. How when it becomes worthless, and industries are forced to fold, the transnationals move in and buy up them up at a pittance, and pay next to nothing for employees wages.

Joe Stigilitz who - out of sheer disgust - quit his post as cheif economics advisor to the IMF, can also tell you how that same bunch of criminals only make loans to nations with the understanding that they will reap even more profits once the leader of that nation also has to begin taxing (exhorbitantly) the populace in order to keep up with the (exhorbitant) interest on those loans. Our foriegn aid (mafia) packages are what causes poverty in Mexico and every where else we have "helped" a nation financially.

Originally posted by willow
Why don't you gomers learn something about the kind of criminals we have right here, running our IMF owned gov't and how they get agents like broker, financier Georges Soros to destroy a nations currency. How when it becomes worthless, and industries are forced to fold, the transnationals move in and buy up them up at a pittance, and pay next to nothing for employees wages.

Joe Stigilitz who - out of sheer disgust - quit his post as cheif economics advisor to the IMF, can also tell you how that same bunch of criminals only make loans to nations with the understanding that they will reap even more profits once the leader of that nation also has to begin taxing (exhorbitantly) the populace in order to keep up with the (exhorbitant) interest on those loans. Our foriegn aid (mafia) packages are what causes poverty in Mexico and every where else we have "helped" a nation financially. You're daring me to send those anal probing aliens arent you?

Im the only one allowed to slander anyone on this forum. You take that back or i will send little green men to show you the correct usage of an anal probe while you are sleeping.
No where near as bad as the <irish accent>Leprecauns!</irish accent>

hy don't we start giving free healthcare to our own citizens who are in poverty before we help somebody else with their problems?!
But everybody complains about socialized healthcare. Enter word socialiism, hear screams! What about all of those countries that have waiting lists to get health care? I only see one country where socialized health care really works, Cuba, everywhere else, doctors bitch about money.

You know I'm pretty sure the Mexicans have plans to bean us to death. Or was it refry. I forget now, sorry. But so long as they come in across the border legally, I'm perfectly okay with that. How about the rest of you Gomers?
Do they use refried beans in Mexico? Or do they just mash beans, cause that canned shit is actually rather nasty...

HaVoK you are right, I'm glad you agree! Our own citizens are #1 priority and my Governor is King of All Dumbasses and only signed that law to appeal to Latinos. BTW, does that mean illegals can vote now too? AHHH! GOD HELP US ALL!
No, they can't vote, that requires citizenship. And I don't think god likes intolerants.

Oh, willow, on the topic on our criminals, don't add Bush for war crimes, and all of the CIA funded and trained drug dealers in South America. "WAR ON DRUGS!!!(we are excused on that, right?"

Blib, I am insulted that you implied I'm intolerant, I' think I am am a pretty non-judgemental person and try to be fair to everybody. However, I do think that American citizens should receive the things they need before non-citizens. I am offended because I personally have seen the affect of poverty on Americans within my own family. Medical care especial should go to those who truly need it, do you pay insurance? The bills are outrageous! There's no way someone working minimum wage could support their families. I don't want immigrants to go without either, but they should take the care, like so many others do every day, to become legal and help support the services they need, just like all of us do every day.

Well said Harlowgirl83. I wish I could snap my fingers and end everyones problems(worldwide), but that is not going to happen. Why should we give money or help to some a**hole that doesn't like us in the first place. Plus lets not forget the whole time he was working here he didn't pay taxes like the rest of us.

HaVok .... let's hope those aliens of yours use a 40mm bore brush as a probe for willow, followed by a few pints of "Fleet".