View Full Version : Maine to require high schoolers to apply to college?
DarkFantasy96
03-11-2007, 12:11 AM
An interesting article...
Apparently a lot of individual schools already require students to have sent in at least one college application before they can graduate from high school. I think it's pretty stupid, honestly.
Here's a part that I thought was especially dumb:
In Maryland, the director of college advising at St. Mary’s Ryken High School in Leonardtown said he’s in the process of proposing that every senior at the school apply to at least one four-year college or university.
Even though many students want to start at a two-year school and then transfer, David Hamilton at St. Mary’s said he wants them to at least try for a four-year institution.
I think students should be encouraged to do their first two years at a community college. It provides an option for students whose families can't afford to send them to school for four years at normal university tuition.
Phyrex
03-11-2007, 04:28 AM
If all you have to do is apply then its really not so big a deal. Its not like you have to go. But maybe it will force some that would not consider going to college to actaually look into it and consider it. Plus, there are tons of tuition assistance programs if you have good grades, and a good SAT score.
Its a "you never know untill you try" thing here I guess.
Thislin
03-11-2007, 07:10 AM
I think it's pretty stupid, honestly.
Bureaucrats strike again. All it will do is create a lot of meaningless applications for colleges to have to mess with.
Sparky2
03-11-2007, 07:45 AM
Georgia's got it right.
If you reside in that State and pay your taxes, your kid's tuition to college is free, as long as they maintain a certain GPA.
Brilliant idea, really.
500lbguerilla
03-11-2007, 05:19 PM
stupid waste of timeIf you reside in that State and pay your taxes, your kid's tuition to college is free, as long as they maintain a certain GPA.
Brilliant idea, really.
yes that part is. A brillant idea practiced in many other countries the world over.
DAMN PINKO COMMIE SCUM!
CarbonBasedLife
03-11-2007, 06:32 PM
Georgia's got it right.
If you reside in that State and pay your taxes, your kid's tuition to college is free, as long as they maintain a certain GPA.
Brilliant idea, really.
Georgia also has cheaper gas prices. I'm envious. :(
WindWip
03-11-2007, 06:51 PM
Georgia also has cheaper gas prices. I'm envious. :(
Let's invade em and take their gas
mikezila
03-11-2007, 08:27 PM
Let's invade em and take their gas
GA has cheaper gas because it has lower gas taxes.
LionelHutz
03-11-2007, 08:34 PM
Once again, the government is convinced that it knows what's best for you.
mikezila
03-11-2007, 08:37 PM
Once again, the government is convinced that it knows what's best for you.
there's nothing wrong with making them apply...as long as the State is going to pay for it. otherwise, it's just an unfunded mandate.
but that is neither here nor there...it's a parochial school...in Maryland:o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mary's_Ryken_High_School
mikezila
03-11-2007, 08:40 PM
stupid waste of time
yes that part is. A brillant idea practiced in many other countries the world over.
DAMN PINKO COMMIE SCUM!
it's not really free. the schools are supported by the taxpayers.
Darth Be'lal
03-11-2007, 10:20 PM
An interesting article...
Apparently a lot of individual schools already require students to have sent in at least one college application before they can graduate from high school. I think it's pretty stupid, honestly.
Here's a part that I thought was especially dumb:
I think students should be encouraged to do their first two years at a community college. It provides an option for students whose families can't afford to send them to school for four years at normal university tuition.
I took a developemental psychology course when I was attending college. The prof I had really knew her stuff. She said that the best thing schools can do is set high standards and expect the kids to meet them. This jives with what I've read from Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell, both advocates of education reform. I can also point out that the parents can make all the difference in just how well a child does in school. IF the parents are there for their kids, if they expect success, if they're helping out their children, the chances of graduation and a successful career soar, dammit.
Requiring a kid to APPLY to college to graduate is silly. What if this kids wants to join the armed forces? Or what if he wants to go and become an electrician?
mikezila
03-11-2007, 10:54 PM
I took a developemental psychology course when I was attending college. The prof I had really knew her stuff. She said that the best thing schools can do is set high standards and expect the kids to meet them. This jives with what I've read from Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell, both advocates of education reform. I can also point out that the parents can make all the difference in just how well a child does in school. IF the parents are there for their kids, if they expect success, if they're helping out their children, the chances of graduation and a successful career soar, dammit.
Requiring a kid to APPLY to college to graduate is silly. What if this kids wants to join the armed forces? Or what if he wants to go and become an electrician?
trade school?
judging from the name of the school (St. Mary’s Ryken High School), i'm suspecting that they are expecting a little more from lil Jane & Johnny than trade school or enlistment....but they can try for an appointment to West Point:D
Darth Be'lal
03-11-2007, 11:18 PM
i'm suspecting that they are expecting a little more from lil Jane & Johnny than trade school or enlistment.
It's all well and good that this school expects a lot from its student body, but not everyone wants to go to college and besides, sooner or later those students will have to make their own choices, dammit.
mikezila
03-12-2007, 12:58 AM
It's all well and good that this school expects a lot from its student body, but not everyone wants to go to college and besides, sooner or later those students will have to make their own choices, dammit.
or course they're expecting a lot-it's a parochial school! unless the local schools seriously sucked, why would the parents put in the effort to send them?
LionelHutz
03-12-2007, 11:30 AM
but that is neither here nor there...it's a parochial school...in Maryland:o
Ummmmm, oops. I hereby retract my rant.
::runs away::
DarkFantasy96
03-12-2007, 02:55 PM
The article was mainly about public schools in Maine... The parochial school was just an example of an individual school already doing it.
mikezila
03-12-2007, 08:35 PM
The article was mainly about public schools in Maine... The parochial school was just an example of an individual school already doing it.
well, iffn you would have posted a link, we wouldn't be all confused, eh?:lolhit:
LionelHutz
03-12-2007, 09:12 PM
Is it too late to reinstate my rant? :@@:
es347fan
03-12-2007, 09:21 PM
What about government funding for attendance at technical or trade schools? There is always a need for tradesmen - bricklayers, carpenters, draftsmen, mechanics and plumbers (to name but a few) - occupied by folks who just don't care or don't qualify to attend college, but will take plenty of money away from those who do. Have you called a plumber lately? Just to park in your driveway is $100 or more. Plumbers are the only ones I am aware of that charge so much even the lawyers are jealous. We need schools for the training of skilled craftsmen just as much as we need those churning out lawyers, accountants and MBA's by the hundreds each and every year.
Darth Be'lal
03-12-2007, 10:00 PM
What about government funding for attendance at technical or trade schools? There is always a need for tradesmen - bricklayers, carpenters, draftsmen, mechanics and plumbers (to name but a few) - occupied by folks who just don't care or don't qualify to attend college, but will take plenty of money away from those who do. Have you called a plumber lately? Just to park in your driveway is $100 or more. Plumbers are the only ones I am aware of that charge so much even the lawyers are jealous. We need schools for the training of skilled craftsmen just as much as we need those churning out lawyers, accountants and MBA's by the hundreds each and every year.
Amen es347fan! Dammit.
Freethinker
03-12-2007, 10:11 PM
We need schools for the training of skilled craftsmen just as much as we need those churning out lawyers, accountants and MBA's by the hundreds each and every year.
Excellent point!
Just don't wait for the RightWingers running Washington to adequately fund a comprehensive training program like that.
Half a trillion dollars for an ill-advised war??............Why, of course!
Forming numerous schools to train displaced workers in America in the skilled trades??............Nah. Can't afford it.
mikezila
03-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Is it too late to reinstate my rant? :@@:
it's never too late to rant!:)
mikezila
03-12-2007, 10:51 PM
What about government funding for attendance at technical or trade schools? There is always a need for tradesmen - bricklayers, carpenters, draftsmen, mechanics and plumbers (to name but a few) - occupied by folks who just don't care or don't qualify to attend college, but will take plenty of money away from those who do. Have you called a plumber lately? Just to park in your driveway is $100 or more. Plumbers are the only ones I am aware of that charge so much even the lawyers are jealous. We need schools for the training of skilled craftsmen just as much as we need those churning out lawyers, accountants and MBA's by the hundreds each and every year.
i could have used my G.I. Bill money at truck driving school...if i hadn't already spent it all:(
mikezila
03-12-2007, 11:00 PM
Forming numerous schools to train displaced workers in America in the skilled trades??............Nah. Can't afford it.
there's already plenty of schools, and besides various State programs for displaced workers, Federal Aid is old news..
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1153/is_n7_v108/ai_3836216