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The Dude
03-09-2007, 10:18 AM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God)



My answers:

1) Liberal
2) Democrat
3) Anti
4) Neutral
5) Neutral to Anti
6) Anti War
7) Neutral to Anti
8) Anti (Unless 100% sure then Maybe)
9) Theist
10) Theistic Evolutionist

hclager
03-09-2007, 10:26 AM
1. i don't know
2. Republican
3. Anti Bush
4. Pro Gay Rights(they have the right to be miserable too)
5. Pro Guns
6. Anti War,(the current "war")
7. Pro Abortion
8. Pro Death Penalty
9. Agnostic
10. Evolutionist

es347fan
03-09-2007, 10:41 AM
1. Neutral
2. Independent
3. Neutral / Anti Bush
4. Neutral
5. Pro Guns
6. Neutral
7. Pro Abortion
8. Anti Death Penalty
9. Theist
10. Evolutionist

Thislin
03-09-2007, 10:42 AM
1. "Neutral." (A better word is "centrist").
2. Republican (by registration)
3. Mostly pro Bush
4. Pro gay rights
5. Anti guns
6. Ambivalent about all wars
7. Against abortion but also against anti-abortion laws
8. Against capital punishment
9. Atheist but not materialist
10. Evolutionist

Your questions would identify a social liberal, and on most social issues I tend to be one. You don't ask about business and economics, nor about foreign policy (except the war question).

There is a large somewhat disenfranchised population in the U.S. who are social liberals and fiscal conservatives (they have a libertarian streak although for the most part aren't as extreme).

The Republican party looks this year as though it may actually nominate such a person, since the three leading contenders all qualify. I may actually be able to vote without holding my nose.

Travh20
03-09-2007, 10:45 AM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God)

Conservative
Independent
Neutral
pro gay rights
pro guns
pro war
anti abortion
pro death penalty
Theist
theistic evolutionist

shortstuff
03-09-2007, 10:54 AM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God)

1. Neutral .. Not sure
2. Independant I guess right now
3. Can't really say as I am canadian but have and opinion. :rolleyes:
4. Pro Gay rights
5. Anti guns... Even though I own one (I am against hand guns over hunting guns)
6. Anti War
7. Pro Abortion...As long as it is not a form of birth control
8. Pro death Penalty
9. Agnostic
10. Theistic Evolutionist

CarbonBasedLife
03-09-2007, 11:22 AM
1. Neutral (I lean a little left)
2. Independent
3. Anti Bush
4. Pro gay rights
5. Pro guns
6. Anti war
7. Pro abortion
8. Anti death penalty
9. Agnostic
10. Evolutionist

Travh20
03-09-2007, 11:28 AM
1. Neutral (I lean a little left)


so does my ****

I kid , I kid! I will stop now :D

Phyrex
03-09-2007, 11:33 AM
1. Neutral mostly.
2. Republican, says so on my voter ID
3. Again, neutral on Bush.
4. Hmmm, let em get married, It really doesnt bother me.
5. Pro gun. If everyone owned a gun, there would be less crime I bet ya.
6. Neutral on war, but being in the military you know how that is. War however is necessary sometimes.
7. Anti-abortion unless the mother could die, or if the child is a product of rape.
8. Pro death penalty.
9. Agnostic.
10.Evolutionist

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 11:35 AM
1. Neutral.
2. Neutral.
3. Neutral.
4. Pro Gay Rights.
5. Pro Guns.
6. Pro War.
7. Pro Abortion.
8. Anti Death Penalty.
9. Theist.
10. Creationist.

Genzo
03-09-2007, 11:35 AM
1. Neutral
2. Independent
3. Anti-Bush
4. Pro-gay rights
5. Neutral
6. Neutral (Sometimes war is innevitable)
7. Pro Abortion
8. Pro Death penalty (But as The Dude says--they better be damned sure they got the right guy)
9. Theist
10. Theistic Evolutionist

CarbonBasedLife
03-09-2007, 11:37 AM
so does my ****

I kid , I kid! I will stop now :D

LOL

Evakian
03-09-2007, 11:43 AM
pro gay rights
What a ******!

:rolleyes:

Travh20
03-09-2007, 11:50 AM
I am pro gay rights. they should have the same rights as everyone else. I do not however agree that homosexuals should be able to get married. I believe it will hurt our society in the long run if we do. they should however recieve all the benefits and entitlements and responsibility granted to married people. This is not the thread to get into that though so back to the survey

Evakian
03-09-2007, 11:53 AM
This is not the thread to get into that though so back to the survey
I'm sorry, I was just disappointed when I was expecting The Dude to give us a survey on some crazy video of a deformity or our favorite strudel flavor.

My hopes were crushed.

DarkFantasy96
03-09-2007, 12:44 PM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God)



My answers:

1) neutral
2) I'd say independent
3) Anti
4) Pro
5) Pro
6) Neutral to anti
7) Neutral to Pro
8) Neutral to anti
9) Theist
10) Theistic Evolutionist

BorgHunter
03-09-2007, 01:14 PM
1) None of the above
2) Independent
3) Anti
4) Pro
5) Pro
6) Anti
7) No existing person is "pro-abortion". I'm pro-choice.
8) Anti
9) Agnostic
10) Evolutionist

Genzo
03-09-2007, 01:35 PM
7) No existing person is "pro-abortion". I'm pro-choice.

I see your point and change my statement. I am pro choice. Good call.

paulc
03-09-2007, 01:54 PM
1/ neutral
2/Independant 'neutral.
3/Anti Bush
4/neutral
5/anti guns
6/anti war
7/anti aboration
8/ant death penalty
9/theist
10/theist evolutionist
11/by the look of things im just anti.

Travh20
03-09-2007, 02:25 PM
no one is "pro war" either.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 02:25 PM
no one is "pro war" either.
I am.

paulc
03-09-2007, 02:26 PM
u are what

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 02:34 PM
u are what
Pro-War.

paulc
03-09-2007, 02:37 PM
in rgards to what situation.
its a friday, theres a lot of contrary people on today

Leper
03-09-2007, 02:41 PM
1. Neutral, I guess (can be very "liberal" or very "conservative" depending on the issue)
2. Independant, although I think I may register Republican in the near future
3. Anti Bush (I don't really like the term, but yeah, I think he's a bad president)
4. Neutral
5. Pro Guns
6. Anti War (assuming we're talking about Iraq here)
7. Pro Abortion
8. Anti Death Penalty
9. Atheist
10. Evolutionist (Evolution, yes...Big Bang, maybe)

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 02:44 PM
in rgards to what situation.
its a friday, theres a lot of contrary people on today
WHAT? What the hell does being Friday have to do with anything?
On every situation. There is no reasoning with people. War can solve all things.

paulc
03-09-2007, 02:48 PM
Well,
Fridays the end of the week for most people who work,
its also a holy day for some.

On the matter at hand, theres rarely ever been a war that sorted anything out,ever.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 02:55 PM
Well,
Fridays the end of the week for most people who work,
its also a holy day for some.

On the matter at hand, theres rarely ever been a war that sorted anything out,ever.

I don't see how Friday being a holy day, has anything to do with being contrary. The same with being the end of the week.
On the matter at hand, it's a matter of opinion.

paulc
03-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Well as regards to Fridays,being a holy day would be considered a controversial issue in some parts, but I'll except not this one.
As for your opinion on war, fair enough your entitled to it, but you didnt address my opinion, theres rarely ever beena war that sorted anything out, you would really need to live thruone I guess.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 03:11 PM
It is true, I haven't lived through one. But you can always learn if you read about it. Since you were saying I didn't address your opinion... here-> Don't you think the second world war solved anything?

paulc
03-09-2007, 03:15 PM
Reading about war and being caught up in one are 2 very different animals.
As for WW2, it soved a lot of problems and created a lot of problems.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Then you're contradicting yourself.

paulc
03-09-2007, 03:21 PM
How do you come to that conclusion.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 03:26 PM
[...]theres rarely ever been a war that sorted anything out,ever.

As for WW2, it soved a lot of problems[...]

That about proves it.

paulc
03-09-2007, 03:27 PM
I think youll find the second word I used was 'Rarely', so, proves nothing.

DracRomin
03-09-2007, 03:29 PM
I think youll find the second word I used was 'Rarely', so, proves nothing.
Every war solved something. Do you want me to mention all the wars that ever took place. They all solved a problem, despite causing other problems. And enough about this, cause this conversation isn't going anywhere. Wasted time.

Sparky2
03-09-2007, 04:17 PM
1. Neutral
2. Independant, objective analyst
3. Generally pro Bush
4. I'm for gays having their lovers and their peace & freedom from persecution. Am not for gay marriage.
5. Pro responsible gun ownership
6. I was a soldier. I understand war, not celebrate it.
7. Anti Abortion, but begrudgingly concede the hazards of the alternative.
8. Pro Death Penalty for murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and crystal-meth dealers.
9. I believe a higher being exists. I don't care to put a label on that.
10. Theistic Evolutionist is not a bad 'characterization'. I wouldn't put it on my t-shirt though.
11. Giver, not a taker.
12. No.
13. Probably about 15 or 16 times. I've lost track.
14. Would definitely give up a kidney for a friend.
15. Yes. Hell yes.
16. Green.
17. No, and fuck you anyway for asking.
18. Friday.
19. Prefer small titties.
20. Dark beer.

Thanks, good survey.
:thumbs:

Freethinker
03-09-2007, 07:22 PM
1. Staunch Conservative
2. ConservaFascist. ---fuck the so-called 'People' ; Corporations must be guaranteed total power.
3. Pro Bush. America Über Alles.
4. Anti Gay. Them fucking homos are never getting a marriage license as long as i'm drawing breath.
5. Pro Guns. Give everyone a gun. All day care workers, postmasters, dentists, rappers, mechanics, Jews, Catholics and dog walkers need to carry loaded guns at all times. You know....so we'll all be "safe".
6. Pro War. Nuke everyone on Earth who is not a god-fearing American. That way, there'll be more cool stuff to go around for us godly people.
7. Anti Abortion. Six days afer conception, every blastocyst must be given a name and issued a S.S card.
8. Pro Death Penalty.....but only for queers and atheists. And Michael Moore.
9. There is no god but Jehovah!! (John Ashcroft has confirmed it)
10. Creationist. 100 pounds of clay....poof!, the first human. A man. One rib bone...poof!, his helpmate. A woman. Period.

paulc
03-09-2007, 09:38 PM
Every war solved something. Do you want me to mention all the wars that ever took place. They all solved a problem, despite causing other problems. And enough about this, cause this conversation isn't going anywhere. Wasted time.
The whole point of war is to bring people to the bargining table, with a few exceptions, and dont make the mistake of dismissing me again mac, if you cant defend what you say, dont say it.

Travh20
03-09-2007, 10:33 PM
10. Creationist. 100 pounds of clay....poof!, the first human. A man. One rib bone...poof!, his helpmate. A woman. Period.

wow. so right after making Eve god gave her the period. He must have been pissed about that apple!

Thislin
03-10-2007, 12:35 AM
I am pro gay rights. they should have the same rights as everyone else. I do not however agree that homosexuals should be able to get married. I believe it will hurt our society in the long run if we do. they should however receive all the benefits and entitlements and responsibility granted to married people. This is not the thread to get into that though so back to the survey

I do not see why gays shouldn't be able to get married. Whether or not a given church recognizes the marriage is that church's right, but the state should not take a position on religious questions.

Thislin
03-10-2007, 12:46 AM
1. Staunch Conservative
2. ConservaFascist. ---fuck the so-called 'People' ; Corporations must be guaranteed total power.
3. Pro Bush. America Über Alles.
4. Anti Gay. Them fucking homos are never getting a marriage license as long as i'm drawing breath.
5. Pro Guns. Give everyone a gun. All day care workers, postmasters, dentists, rappers, mechanics, Jews, Catholics and dog walkers need to carry loaded guns at all times. You know....so we'll all be "safe".
6. Pro War. Nuke everyone on Earth who is not a god-fearing American. That way, there'll be more cool stuff to go around for us godly people.
7. Anti Abortion. Six days afer conception, every blastocyst must be given a name and issued a S.S card.
8. Pro Death Penalty.....but only for queers and atheists. And Michael Moore.
9. There is no god but Jehovah!! (John Ashcroft has confirmed it)
10. Creationist. 100 pounds of clay....poof!, the first human. A man. One rib bone...poof!, his helpmate. A woman. Period.
Your proclivity to label those you disagree with as fascists is ugly.

Sparky2
03-10-2007, 07:01 AM
True. It is ugly.

But by some strange irony, Freethinker himself is actually an urbane and attractive physical specimen.

He turns heads in public, handsome devil that he is.

mikezila
03-10-2007, 07:10 AM
True. It is ugly.

But by some strange irony, Freethinker himself is actually an urbane and attractive physical specimen.

He turns heads in public, handsome devil that he is.
so was Ted Bundy.

The Dude
03-10-2007, 07:07 PM
1. Staunch Conservative
2. ConservaFascist. ---fuck the so-called 'People' ; Corporations must be guaranteed total power.
3. Pro Bush. America Über Alles.
4. Anti Gay. Them fucking homos are never getting a marriage license as long as i'm drawing breath.
5. Pro Guns. Give everyone a gun. All day care workers, postmasters, dentists, rappers, mechanics, Jews, Catholics and dog walkers need to carry loaded guns at all times. You know....so we'll all be "safe".
6. Pro War. Nuke everyone on Earth who is not a god-fearing American. That way, there'll be more cool stuff to go around for us godly people.
7. Anti Abortion. Six days afer conception, every blastocyst must be given a name and issued a S.S card.
8. Pro Death Penalty.....but only for queers and atheists. And Michael Moore.
9. There is no god but Jehovah!! (John Ashcroft has confirmed it)
10. Creationist. 100 pounds of clay....poof!, the first human. A man. One rib bone...poof!, his helpmate. A woman. Period.Thank you for being honest :)

mikezila
03-10-2007, 07:22 PM
Thank you for being honest :)
:lolhit:

Vilepagan
03-10-2007, 08:13 PM
wow. so right after making Eve god gave her the period. He must have been pissed about that apple!

ROFL...good one Trav.

Frogger
03-10-2007, 09:09 PM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative (tend toward conservative)
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican (registered Republican)
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush (Generally pro Bush)
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights (Pro except for marriage and adoption)
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns (Pro)
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War (Pro)
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion (anti)
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty (anti)
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists) (Christian)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God) (Theist evolutionist)

Freethinker
03-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Your proclivity to label those you disagree with as fascists is ugly.

Whether they *disagree with me* or not has nothing whatsoever to do with who I label as *fascist*.

I use the term *fascist* in the way that Mussolini --one of the movement's progenitors-- said it should be used.


’’Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”_____Mussolini

Thus, when i use the term 'fascist', it is completely interchangeable with the term 'corporatist'.

Either term would serve to describe precisely the sort of government currently running the U.S.

The people I call "fascists" --or corporatists, if you prefer-- are those on the far Right who are in power in Washington, and the people who staunchly support them.

There is --intentionally or unintentionally-- nothing *ugly* about calling them what they are. It is simply calling a spade a spade.

________________________________

Fascism is the name of the game in modern day America; it is the use of governmental power to protect and further the goals of capitalism without concern for the social welfare of anyone else. George W. Bush is probably the most successful fascist in history, and the U.S. is certainly the most powerful fascist nation in the history of the world.

Jester
03-10-2007, 11:30 PM
1) Liberal
2) Democrat
3) Not appropriate for me to say
4) Pro gay rights
5) Pro guns & pro restrictions
6) Too complex for such a simple answer
7) Pro abortion
8) Pro death penalty
9) Agnostic
10) Evolutionist

Thislin
03-10-2007, 11:36 PM
I use the term *fascist* in the way that Mussolini --one of the movement's progenitors-- said it should be used.

In other words you use the word to insult people and then when challenged you claim a special definition to make yourself seem pure. We all know that "fascist" nowadays refers to the vile behavior of Hitler, et al.

(Your use of the expression "uber alles" supports my contention--tarring others with that concept is your purpose, not the disingenuous slant you now invent).

DarkFantasy96
03-10-2007, 11:39 PM
’’Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”_____Mussolini

Actually I think that's an accurate definition.

Thislin
03-11-2007, 12:00 AM
Actually I think that's an accurate definition.

It could not be more wrong. "NAZI" stands for "National Socialist (not Corporate) Party." While Hitler's regime did not engage in massive socialist measures, it was on that road and that was the intention, but war mongering and anti-Semitism took a higher priority.

A corporation is nothing more than a legal "person" where the owners have been granted limited immunity from liability for the acts of the corporation for assets outside the corporation (unless the corporation's assets have been used for personal purposes, in which case the "corporate shield" is said to have been broken). This is done through statutes created for the purpose. This device enables the corporation to sell pieces of itself to raise capital.

As such it provides the most powerful mechanism for raising capital (and hence advancing living standards) that has ever been invented. It has the advantage of transferring the risk of investment from the involuntary taxpayer to the willing investor, and it takes politics out of economic decisions.

That corporations are sometimes less than well run, or even become criminal enterprises, is not a reason for abolishing this boon to mankind, but only a reason for putting those who do so out of business (through laws and enforcement that sustains competition) or in jail (through normal criminal procedure). Lord knows state enterprises are even more subject to such faults.

DarkFantasy96
03-11-2007, 12:04 AM
That corporations are sometimes less than well run, or even become criminal enterprises, is not a reason for abolishing this boon to mankind, but only a reason for putting those who do so out of business (through laws and enforcement that sustains competition) or in jail (through normal criminal procedure). Lord knows state enterprises are even more subject to such faults.
Since when did I advocate the abolishment of corporations? I just said it's fascist for corporations to be part of the government. And if you think about it that could apply to socialism as well... just reverse it. It's just as bad for the politicians to run business as is it for the businessmen to run the government.

Freethinker
03-11-2007, 06:48 PM
In other words you use the word to insult people and then when challenged you claim a special definition to make yourself seem pure.

No.

Firstly, i have no interest in trying to "make myself seem pure".

Secondly, calling Bush and his cabal (and those who wholeheartedly support their far-right, anti-human, pro-Corporatist ideology) *fascists*, or "corporatists" if you prefer that term, is factual and correct.

If they are 'insulted' by being exposed as being unrelentingly pro-Corporatist, then maybe they deserve to be.

We all know that "fascist" nowadays refers to the vile behavior of Hitler, et al. Your use of the expression "uber alles" supports my contention....

Mussolini and Hitler were fascists....so are Bush and Cheney.

A sober analysis of the Bush government and the regime of Hitler clearly reveals several common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuses of power.

I have already posted the Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/08/27/has-america-become-fascist-the-14-defining-characteristics-of-fascism/), but they bear repeating.

Watch the video linked to below.

Traits shared by the Bush Administration and other former fascist governments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVVa1IvHdKc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffreestudents%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F 2006%2F08%2F14%2Dtraits%2Dof%2Dfascism%2Dnot%2Dqui te%2Dbut%2Ehtml)

dnamertz
03-12-2007, 12:03 AM
1. Are you a Liberal,Neutral,or Conservative
2. Are you Democratic,Independant,or Republican
3. Are ya Anti Bush,Neutral,or Pro Bush
4. Are you Pro Gay Rights,Neutal,or Anti Gay Rights
5. Are you Anti Guns,Neutral,or Pro Guns
6. Are you Anti War,Neutral,or Pro War
7. Are you Pro Abortion,Neutral,or Anti Abortion
8. Are you Anti Death Penalty,Neutral,or Pro Death Penalty
9. Your an Atheist,Agnostic,or Theist (You believe God exists)
10. You are an Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created through Evolution and The Big Bang Theory),Theistic Evolutionist (You believe the earth was created by God through Evolution and possibly the Big Bang theory),or Creationist (You believe the earth was created only by God)


1. Slightly liberal
2. Registered Democrat only becuase I've never bothered to change it, but vote for a variety of candidates.
3. Anti-Bush
4. Pro, including marriage and adoption.
5. Pro guns, in the right hands.
6. Neutral
7. Neutral
8. Neutral (don't have a problem with it, but life in prison is also good)
9. Agnostic
10. See answer to #9