The Niners have added CB Clements for 8 years and 80 million dollars. He will not recieve all that but it sounds nice. I hear Clements is a shut down corner, very physical. I have never seen him play as he came from the Bills and we do not get many Bills games out here in CA. Any Bills fans have any thoughts on Clements? do you hate to see him go or do you care?


anyone else have any thoughts on thier teams free agency moves, or lack there of?

Yeah, Clements is supposed to be a shut-down corner just like Champ Bailey. 49ers are looking real good next season, they could make it really deep in the playoffs.

all the eagles are visiting other teams today

well, thank you, but lets not jump ahead. Lets focus on winning the division first. Hel, lets focus on beating Arizona first.

all the eagles are visiting other teams today

ya, we got SS M lewis too. He is good against the run but apparently is lacking in coverage, is that why the eagles let him go?

ya, we got SS M lewis too. He is good against the run but apparently is lacking in coverage, is that why the eagles let him go?


the eagles are letting everyone go. the coach is taking care of personal stuff and coaching the team from a cell phone.

it's over! :(

Vikings have signed a couple of guys...nobody big. We're looking to build more through the Draft and retain a good base of hopeful stars...instead of bringing in a bunch of older talent that never seems to perform for us.

What positions do the Vikes need in the draft? You have a good defense right? at least a good D line if I remember. QB is always a need in minesota too it seems, except when you had Daunte.

Originally posted by Travh20
What positions do the Vikes need in the draft? You have a good defense right? at least a good D line if I remember. QB is always a need in minesota too it seems, except when you had Daunte.
Basically Wide Reciever, O-Line, QB and Defensive End (though this may change when Erasmus James comes back)...WR being the most important, IMO. It's tough to say because the front office has been quieter than normal during the FA period.

The D-line is fantastic and only going to get better when Erasmus James and Chad Greenway come back...Hopefully Leslie Frazier (new Def. Coord.) can take over where Mike Tomlin left off.

Daunte? Who's that?

ya, we got SS M lewis too. He is good against the run but apparently is lacking in coverage, is that why the eagles let him go?
Garbage SS. He used to be much better on coverage. I am glad we got rid of him. We got Consindine as SS now, which is sweet.

whoa, garbage? sounds like sour grapes to me.

I know the eagles beat up the niners every time they play, but is sure was sweet last season when our back up RB Robinson ran over Dawkins on the goal line and knocked him out of the game :D

whoa, garbage? sounds like sour grapes to me.

I know the eagles beat up the niners every time they play, but is sure was sweet last season when our back up RB Robinson ran over Dawkins on the goal line and knocked him out of the game :D
LoL, ok, that happened ONCE. You're not going to see Dawkins get knocked on his ass many times. He's a beast, even though he's getting old.

lol, I am glad you were man enough to admit it :D

Good news for the Browns, we signed the top O-Liner in free agency, Eric Steinbach...We also signed Jamal Lewis to a one-year deal (not sure why..)

Yes it HAS been a BUSY BUSY Free agent class this off season.. let's look at some of the big names acquired....

LB Adalius Thomas- New England Patriots, $37.5 million for 5 years.

TE Kyle Brady- New England Patriots, $5.3 million for 2 years.

RB Ahman Green- Houston Texans. $23 million for 4 years.

WR Ashley Lelie- 49ers, $4.3 million for 2 years.

RB Travis Henry- Denver Broncos, $22.5 million for 5 years.

QB Brad Johnson- Dallas Cowboys, $7.5 million for 3 years.

RB Thomas Jones- New York Jets, $20 million for 4 years.

LB Joey Porter- Miami Dolphins, $32.5 million for 5 years.

TE Daniel Graham- Denver Broncos, $30 million for 5 years.

TE Eric Johnson- New Orleans Saints, $2 million for 1 year.

QB Patrick Ramsey- Denver Broncos, $4.5 million for 2 years.

WR Wes Welker- New England Patriots, $18.1 million for 5 years.

QB Jeff Garcia- Tampa Bay Buccaneers, $14 million for 2 years.

It's rumored that Joe Horn is going to sign with Atlanta. Its also rumored that Drew Bennett signed with St. Louis.

Here are some other Free Agents: (U)= unrestricted

Quarterbacks
Drew Bledsoe (U) Dallas
Matt Schaub, Atlanta
Joey Harrington (U) Miami
Aaron Brooks (U) Oakland
Damon Huard (U) Kansas City
Patrick Ramsey (U) NY Jets
Tim Rattay (U) Tampa Bay

Running Backs
Michael Turner, San Diego
Dominic Rhodes (U) Indianapolis
Ron Dayne (U) Houston
Corey Dillon (U) New England
Mike Alstott (U) Tampa Bay
Anthony Thomas (U) Buffalo
T.J. Duckett (U) Washington
Chris Brown (U) Tennessee
Kevan Barlow, (U) NY Jets
LaBrandon Toefield (U) Jacksonville

Wide Recievers
Donte' Stallworth (U) Philadelphia
Kevin Curtis (U) St. Louis
Antonio Bryant (U) San Francisco
Joe Horn (U) New Orleans
Eric Moulds (U) Houston
Ernest Wilford (R) Jacksonville
Travis Taylor (U) Minnesota
Brandon Stokely (U) Indianapolis
Keenan McCardell (U) San Diego
Bobby Engram (U) Seattle
Troy Brown (U) New England

The Texans overpaid a great deal for Ahman Green. I hated to see him go, but there was no way the Packers were going to match that offer for a running back in his thirties with a history of knee injury.
We haven't signed anyone yet. The draft is going to be the way to rebuild. The main needs are at wide receiver, running back, and safety. We lost tight end David Martin as well, but we have Bubba Franks, and a couple good second year guys. We also released William Henderson, long time fixture at fullback, but he had already lost the starting job to Myree during last season. It opens up a bunch of cap room letting him go.
We should be able to get a good running back in the first round, and hopefully upgrade the safety position as well. Other than that, mostly what we need is depth.

Releases for the Vikings:

Brad Johnson: Always looked good in purple...too bad he had to leave on the terms that he did. Godspeed BJ!

Jermaine Wiggins: One of my favorite players, but he just didn't fit the offensive scheme that B-Chill is going for. No more gettin' wiggy wit' it for the Vikes.

And then there's Fred Smoot (thank you!), Jason Whittle and Mike Rosenthal

Signings for the Vikes:

Vinny Ciurciu, LB - Carolina: ....who?
Visanthe Shiancoe, TE - N.Y. Giants: ....who?
Bobby Wade, WR - Tennessee: ....once again, who?

There really isn't any other big news than that...other than that we may be attempting to trade up in the Draft to get Calvin Johnson, or trading down to get Ted Ginn Jr. Wonder where this will go...

well, the Browns signed Jamal Lewis, that will change thier draft, as they were projected to take RB Petersen with their pick. They laready have a # 1 reciever so they may pass on WR Johnson. After free agency is over the draft will come into more focus. I am hoping the 49ers pick up a pass rusher. Getting WR Johnson would be nice too but he wont be there at 11.

yea the niners losing Bryant you guys need a Wideout..

the colts resigned LB Rob Morris, but RB Dominic Rhodes and S Mike Doss are in talks with other teams.... i dunno, why would anyone want to leave the colts right now? Unless you get double the money, wouldn't you WANT to be on a super bowl team?

it is about the money to most of these guys. How else would you explain a guy Like Jamal Lewis leaving the Ravens to go to the Browns? and players who were just on a superbowl team usually do wel in free agency, so i can see why someColts may want to test the market.
Anyway, if Bob Sanders is looking to leave the Niners would be happy to take him :D

well, the Browns signed Jamal Lewis, that will change thier draft, as they were projected to take RB Petersen with their pick. They laready have a # 1 reciever so they may pass on WR Johnson. After free agency is over the draft will come into more focus. I am hoping the 49ers pick up a pass rusher. Getting WR Johnson would be nice too but he wont be there at 11.

I'm not so sure as that...as a friend of mine said:

"Jamal Lewis and Reuben Droughns? What a great duo two years ago!"

I'm sure the niners would LOVE bob sanders... anyone would.

Yea Dominic Rhodes is somewhat expendable with Addai coming around and James Mungro still around... I think he'll have a tougher time running on teams that don't have a passing threat like the colts do... it opens up holes that otherwise wouldn't be there. I hope he stays though.

As for Mike Doss, his injury prone status will probably keep him in Indy.

And i don't know if anyone saw, but we slapped the franchise tag on Dwight Freeney.

I say Jamal Lewis on the Browns was a good move by the browns for this year. Why? Droughns was merely a product of the Denver running system. I could gain 1200 yards in the Denver backfield. At least Jamal Lewis can plow people over and get extra yards, even if he can't "shake and bake" like he used to. And who knows, the browns had a worst-case scenario last year, now that they signed steinbach from cincy and Ryan Tucker is back... the browns might actually have a semi-decent line.

Unless you get double the money, wouldn't you WANT to be on a super bowl team?

Seems like once people get the ring, they go for the cash. I don't know that I blame them - you've got maybe 10 years to earn as much as possible, because a lot of these guys don't have any other skills to survive on once they're washed up.

..We also signed Jamal Lewis to a one-year deal (not sure why..)

LOL!

I guess the consensus is that Lewis is used up. The guy ran for over 2000 yards a couple years ago. Who knows, he may have a little left in the tank and make the Ravens sorry they got rid of him.

Ya well, for a running game to work, you need an offensive line, which the Browns still don't have. Even with the new addition.

I guess the consensus is that Lewis is used up. The guy ran for over 2000 yards a couple years ago. Who knows, he may have a little left in the tank and make the Ravens sorry they got rid of him.

I guess, the only reason I see us signing Lewis is if we have no intention on drafting Adrian Peterson. Reuben Droughns certainly isn't a terrible back; he could definitely share time with Peterson. Having all 3 doesn't make much sense...so I'm starting to think we plan on trading down our pick or maybe hoping Quinn falls...who knows?

edit: Lewis did run for 500 yards in two games against the Browns in his 2000 yard season...maybe we signed him so we don't have to play against him. :P

Quinn might fall. If not you can pick up Joe Thomas at left tackle to solidify your line. You re right though, signing Lewis pretty much means no Peterson. Of course the Lions drafting 3 straight WR's in the to p 10 for three years didnt make much sense either. I am hoping the Browns have more sense then the Lions.

We don't need any ex-Ravens.

Lewis will be disgruntled and unhappy and probably will rush for -500 yards this year.

(This is a Communist plot to bring down the Browns--load them up with ex-Ravens)

Yes it HAS been a BUSY BUSY Free agent class this off season.. let's look at some of the big names acquired....
Yes, very big names. In fact, so big, I've never heard of a single one.

Yes, very big names. In fact, so big, I've never heard of a single one.
RoFL!!!

I am hoping the Browns have more sense then the Lions.

If there's one thing you can count on in the NFL, it's that at least 30 teams have more sense than the Lions. Oakland might be the exception.

Wow those are some big names that i named.. you must follow the NFL that much...

Dominic Rhodes signed with the Raiders... from first to worst.

I guess we got a quick answer to what the browns were up to... Droughns traded to the Giants for a WR. I guess the big motivation was that the browns don't have to pay Droughns alot of money this year. That leaves the door open that Jamal Lewis is the one year fix and Adrian Peterson is the future for the Browns.

Dominic Rhodes signed with the Raiders... from first to worst.

Does Al Davis employ any scouts? It's like the only scouting the team does is to watch the Super Bowl and then sign someone from the winning team.

I guess we got a quick answer to what the browns were up to... Droughns traded to the Giants for a WR. I guess the big motivation was that the browns don't have to pay Droughns alot of money this year. That leaves the door open that Jamal Lewis is the one year fix and Adrian Peterson is the future for the Browns.

Ugh, I think we blew it on this trade. By signing Lewis, I think it confused a bunch of the teams below us in the draft on what we were going to do. Would we still take Peterson, or maybe grab Joe Thomas? Hopefully, they would have panicked and traded up with us to make sure they got the guy they wanted, while we would have gotten some extra picks while drafting who we wanted.

We kind of did this last year with Baltimore; they didn't know who we would take at the 12th pick so they swapped picks with us (they had 13th) to get their guy (Haloti Ngata) while we picked up who we wanted the whole time (Kamerion Wimbley) and got a free 6th round pick out of it.

I really wish we did this trade after the draft.

Still no major trades or FA pick-ups for the Vikes...though I do find the "Moss to the Slackers" story that came up this week very amusing. I guess Packer Nation has some sense after all.

It's been an occasional story for a while now. I'm thinking nothing is going to come of it. Oakland would have to accept much less than they are willing to take to see it happen. Ted Thompson has to way the talent of an aging receiver against the real possibility of a stadium full of Packers fans mooning him the first time he comes on the field.

ESPN.com made a good point about a Moss trade - do you want the world's worst route runner and slacker when the ball's not coming his way on a team of young, impressionable players? Probably not.

Personally I don't want him on the Packers. I think the Packers are building a good team through the draft, and they are getting close to having a playoff team. With a good draft this year they could get that far. I think they are still a few years away from the Super Bowl, mostly because Favre will probably retire after this year, and it will be difficult to develop a quarterback that fast. Aaron Rodgers is inexperienced, and it will take a couple of years to develop him. It would take even longer to develop a new rookie.

Aaron Rogers is a rookie for all practical purposes. He had like 2 snaps then broke his foot didnt he?

I'm really not convinced that Aaron Rodgers is the future for the Packers. It is a shame too because so many of Favre's former backups went on to success. Mark Brunnell, Matt Hasselback, etc. Maybe somebody big will come out in next year's draft and the Pack can trade up.

I'm really not convinced that Aaron Rodgers is the future for the Packers. It is a shame too because so many of Favre's former backups went on to success. Mark Brunnell, Matt Hasselback, etc. Maybe somebody big will come out in next year's draft and the Pack can trade up.

Rodgers has never had the chance to show what he can do. He really has played only once when anything was on the line. He played with a broken foot for the entire second half, and the line was not even slowing the rush. I say, give him a chance. He just might be better than anyone thinks.

problem is, behind selfish emporer farve who refuses to retire no one will ever know. Farve is starting to be to the packers what bonds is to the giants- he gets butts in the seats to the detriment of the team.

LOL, the Packers ALWAYS get butts in the seats, no matter their record.
Loyal fans.

Sometimes this can backfire tho--just look at the Cubbies.
Year in and year out, those idiot fans pay good money to watch their pathetic team lose.....continously.

"Lovable losers" they're called---like this is something to be PROUD of.....yep, they're losers all right.

If the fans boycotted a few games, watch them get better.



(not that I WANT them to get better........)

Yea, Favre wears the pants for the packers, which is why they stink. Rodgers should already have at least 10 games under his belt, even before he got injured. Look at Kurt Warner.. he knows he's washed up, but you don't see him not stepping down for Matt Leinart in arizona or Eli Manning in new york.

Favre is going to fuck the packers for the next 5-6 years because of this stubborn streak.

Favre is going to fuck the packers for the next 5-6 years because of this stubborn streak.

Uh huh, and what are the chances they could just walk out and get someone better? Pretty slim. He was still ranked in the top half of QBs last year. Sure as hell better than having a Culpepper or Charlie Frye or something.

Yea, Favre wears the pants for the packers, which is why they stink. Rodgers should already have at least 10 games under his belt, even before he got injured. Look at Kurt Warner.. he knows he's washed up, but you don't see him not stepping down for Matt Leinart in arizona or Eli Manning in new york.

Favre is going to fuck the packers for the next 5-6 years because of this stubborn streak.

The Packers can get rid of him/bench him whenever they please. If they felt Rodgers gave them a better chance at winning or that grooming him was the best thing for their football team; they would be.

Uh huh, and what are the chances they could just walk out and get someone better? Pretty slim. He was still ranked in the top half of QBs last year. Sure as hell better than having a Culpepper or Charlie Frye or something.

They could surely SEE WHAT THEY HAVE instead of playing ol Brett Favre when the team is not even in contention. They are rebuilding everywhere except quarterback. At QB they are standing still, not knowing if Rodgers if the answer, and putting the possibility of spending extra cash to go out and buy a QB instead of bringing along Rodgers or any other young QB.

The Packers can get rid of him/bench him whenever they please. If they felt Rodgers gave them a better chance at winning or that grooming him was the best thing for their football team; they would be.

That's where you have it wrong.. it seems Favre has ALOT of pull in the organization, and would NEVER be benched because the fans up in cheesetown love him so much. They would mutiny.. which isn't bad. The fact is, the organization won't make the tough choice, they are being peer pressured by Favre and the fans to keep him in there even though it is hurting the franchise.

What does Brett Farve have to accomplish anyway? The packers are terrible, I suspect he's just padding his stats, or just ignorantly trying to play as long as he can and not seeing what is going on around him. There is really no reason for him to be sticking around, at least in Green Bay. The only thing that makes sense is to go to a contender for one last hurrah. Does Favre really think that just having him in there makes them a contender? While he is painted by the media as a "working man".. "tough" and "kind"... i remember his early years as a loud mouth egomaniac. It shows in his play even now... he guns balls down the field that have no business being thrown. No wonder he will be the all-time leading interception thrower during this coming season.

That's where you have it wrong.. it seems Favre has ALOT of pull in the organization, and would NEVER be benched because the fans up in cheesetown love him so much. They would mutiny.. which isn't bad. The fact is, the organization won't make the tough choice, they are being peer pressured by Favre and the fans to keep him in there even though it is hurting the franchise.

What does Brett Farve have to accomplish anyway? The packers are terrible, I suspect he's just padding his stats, or just ignorantly trying to play as long as he can and not seeing what is going on around him. There is really no reason for him to be sticking around, at least in Green Bay. The only thing that makes sense is to go to a contender for one last hurrah. Does Favre really think that just having him in there makes them a contender? While he is painted by the media as a "working man".. "tough" and "kind"... i remember his early years as a loud mouth egomaniac. It shows in his play even now... he guns balls down the field that have no business being thrown. No wonder he will be the all-time leading interception thrower during this coming season.

Nah, when Joe Montana got traded out of San Fransisco, don't you think the 49er fans were furious? They were quick to forgive when Steve Young stepped up and won them a Super Bowl. Same thing happened with Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde right here in Cleveland; (minus that Super Bowl win, obviously) Bernie was (and still is) beloved but no one can deny the fact that Vinny was the better player at that time.

If Rodgers was good enough, or if Brett was terrible, they'd have no problems cutting him lose. It might result in angered Packers for awhile, but in the end all that matters is winning. Brett currently gives that team the best chance at winning.

Brett currently gives that team the best chance at winning.

True about montana and kosar.. but there WAS backlash when Kosar was traded... and kosar doesn't have as much leverage as Favre does.

As for the above statement, you can't say that as a fact because they DON'T know what they have underneath Favre.

Did you guys see that the Texans finally replaced Carr as their starter?

IMO, it's an overdue decision to replace him, but with....uh, I can't even remember the guy's name. He's better known as Michael Vick's unproven backup.

Did you guys see that the Texans finally replaced Carr as their starter?

IMO, it's an overdue decision to replace him, but with....uh, I can't even remember the guy's name. He's better known as Michael Vick's unproven backup.
Matt Schaub. He's a pertty good QB, IMO.

Uh huh, and what are the chances they could just walk out and get someone better? Pretty slim. He was still ranked in the top half of QBs last year. Sure as hell better than having a Culpepper or Charlie Frye or something.
RoFL!!!

(Just cause you mentioned Frye.)

Schaub is good, he was better then Micheal Vick

Schaub is good, he was better then Micheal Vick

He's started two games. I'm sure you remember what Kelly Holcomb was able to do in the few games he played against unprepared defenses.

Yea, and mike vick has started alot more, and has yielded less than desirable results... most of the time.

From what i recall, Schaub made Atlanta's passing arsenal much improved.