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CLINTON, S.C. (AP) -- Authorities say a 23-year-old female middle school teacher was arrested Thursday, accused of having sex with five boys in locations including the school, at a motel, in a park and behind a restaurant.
Clinton Public Safety Director John Thomas says some of the 14- and 15-year-old victims were students at Bell Middle School in Laurens School District 56, where Allenna Williams Ward taught. Others went to a different school.

Investigators say there could be more victims.

Warrants show Ward is charged with five counts of second degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor and six counts of lewd acts on a minor. The incidents occurred between December and earlier this month.

Thomas says police began investigating Ward after a note containing inappropriate messages was given to school officials.

School district officials say Ward was placed on paid leave last Thursday. Bond has been set at $110,000.

Victims??? Hell, where were those teachers when I was in school!!!

Victims??? Hell, where were those teachers when I was in school!!!


exactly!!!


i think i should go back to school

I remember a few teachers at my school that i would have RAILED LOL... too bad they weren't like this one

'Victims' my ass

look on youtube they probably have a video of them in the hotel running a train on her, followed by a circle jerk LMAO

look on youtube they probably have a video of them in the hotel running a train on her, followed by a circle jerk LMAO
Two things you will never be known for, Decka, ever in your life, are tact and prudence.

School district officials say Ward was placed on paid leave last Thursday. Bond has been set at $110,000.

I am suprised she is still getting paid. Must be a union member.

I am suprised she is still getting paid. Must be a union member.
damn teacher's union:rolleyes:

Two things you will never be known for, Decka, ever in your life, are tact and prudence.
:lolhit:

damn teacher's union

Not in her case, she is still getting paid. I bet her contract says she gets paid unless she is actually convicted.

Two things you will never be known for, Decka, ever in your life, are tact and prudence.

I don't say that kind of stuff in front of my mother...

and being tactful and prudent doesn't make the most comedic situations either...

I stand by my words. :woohoo:

I stand by my words. :woohoo:
As all ignorant men do.

and being tactful and prudent doesn't make the most comedic situations either...


If you thought you were funny, you were wrong.

You are about as funny as a terrorist attack.

I think Decka can be pretty amusing sometimes.

I think Decka can be pretty amusing sometimes.

Of course you do.

Did you find this amusing?

look on youtube they probably have a video of them in the hotel running a train on her, followed by a circle jerk LMAO

Of course you do.

Did you find this amusing?
Hah. Pretty amusing. He's parodying the fact that teenagers often do retarded things (like stealing cars or drinking) and then putting pictures or videos of them doing those things up on Myspace or YouTube, getting themselves into trouble...

Good for you Dark. I don't find it amusing at all. To each his own.

To each his own.
Exactly. Just because people have different ideas than you as to what constitutes amusing, that doesn't mean you should call them "funny as a terrorist attack". I thought that was pretty mean.

Exactly. Just because people have different ideas than you as to what constitutes amusing, that doesn't mean you should call them "funny as a terrorist attack". I thought that was pretty mean.

Thats nice.

Frankly I don't care if you think it's mean.

I stand by my words.

Sorry Dark, I didn't find Decka's joke about sex with minors to be very funny. You did. Good for you.

It is kind of sad that grown men think this is funny. "Whooo hoo! Some underage boy had sex with a teacher. Isn't that a hoot."

This is a case of multiple rape. The sex of the perpetrator and the victims doesn't matter. This is a case of an adult having sex with a child. If a male teacher had done the same thing people would be shocked. The male teacher would be tried, and if convicted, jailed. He would also be declared a class one sex offender.

Rape isn't funny if it is a man raping young girls and it is not funny if it is a woman raping young boys.

I was wondering how long it would take Frogger to jump in and kill some harmless fun.

So, it was definitely rape? (And I'm not talking about statutory rape, when I was 15 I had sex with some guys who were older than this chick and it didn't traumatize me :rolleyes:)

If you think rape is fun, Napsterbater, you are an ass. Rape is never funny and to trivialize it by making it seem funny just makes future rapes more likely.

Maybe you woulde like to start a funny thread about the genocide in Darfur. I'll bet that would really give you a case of the jollies.

It is kind of sad that grown men think this is funny. "Whooo hoo! Some underage boy had sex with a teacher. Isn't that a hoot."

This is a case of multiple rape. The sex of the perpetrator and the victims doesn't matter. This is a case of an adult having sex with a child. If a male teacher had done the same thing people would be shocked. The male teacher would be tried, and if convicted, jailed. He would also be declared a class one sex offender.

Rape isn't funny if it is a man raping young girls and it is not funny if it is a woman raping young boys.

Frogger, we are in agreement on this.

Statutory rape is rape, according to the law.

(And I'm not talking about statutory rape, when I was 15 I had sex with some guys who were older than this chick and it didn't traumatize me :rolleyes:)
What is true for you may not necessarily be true for others. In addition, as a teacher, this woman held a position of power over the boys. Even if it wasn't rape, it was certainly highly unethical and immoral.

What is true for you may not necessarily be true for others. In addition, as a teacher, this woman held a position of power over the boys. Even if it wasn't rape, it was certainly highly unethical and immoral.
I completely agree. I think it was completely wrong and she should at least be fired and probably should go to jail.

Just because I was amused by Decka's off-color joke doesn't mean I think it was OK at all.

This is a case of multiple rape. The sex of the perpetrator and the victims doesn't matter.

What idiocy.

If you can prove that ANY of those boys, on ANY occasion, was held down against their will while the teacher in question had sex with them, i'll cede this argument.

But you and I both that that was not --to put it mildly-- the case.

"victims" my ass.

Wouldn't most teenaged boys consider this a conquest rather than a violation?

If you can prove that ANY of those boys, on ANY occasion, was held down against their will while the teacher in question had sex with them, i'll cede this argument.

So you don't think statutory rape has any merit?

Wouldn't most teenaged boys consider this a conquest rather than a violation?
As most of the men commenting on this thread have already said, yeah, probably. But it doesn't matter what the boys think, I suppose.

It is kind of sad that grown men think this is funny.

What I find truly *sad* is that an ostensibly sane male human being thinks a 15 year old boy can be forcibly "raped".

Wouldn't most teenaged boys consider this a conquest rather than a violation?

Does that make it right?

But it doesn't matter what the boys think, I suppose.

Correct. They are minors.

Does that make it right?

No she violated her position. However, I doubt they were traumatized but I seriously don't know and I am genuinely curious about the male perspective on teen aged boys having been coerced into having sex. Once they decided to go for it, would it negatively impact their lives?

Wouldn't most teenaged boys consider this a conquest rather than a violation?

I cannot imagine one of them who would not consider it the most wonderful and pleasurable thing that ever befell them.

I cannot imagine one of them who would not consider it the most wonderful and pleasurable thing that ever befell them.

Me either. As opposed to young females with a male teacher. Maybe I am being biased here but I see it as an entirely different thing. I am curious how males view it and why?

Once they decided to go for it, would it negatively impact their lives?

Only if santimonious fucking --*Sex is EVIL!!!!, sex is naughty, sex is ungodly!**-- twits are allowed to have a say in it.

I cannot imagine one of them who would not consider it the most wonderful and pleasurable thing that ever befell them.
They'd be thinking twice if she ended up knocked up. Or if they ended up with an STD. Young teenagers don't always consider those aspects, especially young teenage boys.

I think the teacher in question should face the same penalties that a male teacher would face in the same situation, but that likely won't happen. I also think that the "victims" in this case will likely suffer no mental harm from the experience.

Once they decided to go for it, would it negatively impact their lives?

What if she got pregnant?

or if they got an STD?

I think the teacher in question should face the same penalties that a male teacher would face in the same situation, but that likely won't happen. I also think that the "victims" in this case will likely suffer no mental harm from the experience.
We're in perfect agreement here.

I think the teacher in question should face the same penalties that a male teacher would face in the same situation, but that likely won't happen. I also think that the "victims" in this case will likely suffer no mental harm from the experience.
Oh, I do agree. Sex, especially for horny teenage guys, ain't going to fuck them up any, pardon the pun. Unless my above two circumstances befall them. Pregnancy and STDs are two excellent reasons why informed consent must be given. Sex ed is often lacking.

I cannot imagine one of them who would not consider it the most wonderful and pleasurable thing that ever befell them.
But FT: they're emotionally scarred for lifem; they have sinned and left their virginity to ruin; this teacher held them at gunpoint and forced them to get erections!!!!!

In reality, the only problem with this is their age, and since I favor the abolishment of that sort of restriction on society, I don't have a reason to be upset.

What if she got pregnant?

or if they got an STD? Yeah okay, Borg also just made that same comment. The thing is, for some bizarre reason while I thought it was important to consider those consequences in an earlier discussion that Borg and I had today in another thread, I did not consider it here. Perhaps because she was a teacher and older. So that was a ridiculous and dangerous over site on my part. If she would sleep young guys, what is her sexual track record. The more partners the more chances for STDs.

What if she got pregnant?

Abortion.

or if they got an STD?

Antibiotics.

Yes, i am being a bit tongue-in-cheek....but if either of those happened in this case, the news story omitted it.

In reality, the only problem with this is their age, and since I favor the abolishment of that sort of restriction on society, I don't have a reason to be upset.
Huh? Can you elaborate here Evak?

Antibiotics.

Unfortunately antibiotics will not cure all of todays STDs.

I remember a couple of years ago in Florida there was this 15 or 16 year old boy having sex with a teacher. And let me tell you, she was hot hot hot. And he turned her in after like a few months of this going on. Insanity I tell you. Makes me want to question their heterosexuality.

Huh? Can you elaborate here Evak?
The rape was consensual to my understanding, therefore their age, as the boys are all pubescent and the woman is nearly a full adult, is not much of an issue.

Maybe you woulde like to start a funny thread about the genocide in Darfur. I'll bet that would really give you a case of the jollies.
Why do you feel the need to compare statutory rape with genocide?

I remember a couple of years ago in Florida there was this 15 or 16 year old boy having sex with a teacher. And let me tell you, she was hot hot hot. And he turned her in after like a few months of this going on. Insanity I tell you. Makes me want to question their heterosexuality.

Yeah, Debra LaFave. She wound up walking.

Back to the topic, keep in mind that just because the typical teenage boy would view this as a conquest, doesn't mean all of them in this case did. The whistle got blown for a reason.

Antibiotics.



I'm not sure how serious you are about this, but Herpes, HPV, Genital Warts, Hepititus, and HIV - All untreatable with antibiotics.

I'm not sure how serious you are about this,......

That indicates that you stopped reading before you got to the part where I said --

""Yes, i am being a bit tongue-in-cheek...""

It depends on what kind of boy gets "raped"...

a normal society kid would deem it as a conquest.. because the teacher is an authority figure and having dominance over her is definitely desirable. That is not "rape".. that is fantasy.

a steady christian who could stand their ground would SAY no, and walk away. If the lady was 220 and on the college lacrosse team, and she raped a 130 lb freshman christian kid... that would be "rape". Now if the lady was NOT a butch, and was 150, double D tits, size 4 waist, and hot as balls.. and she made a move and the steady christian GAVE IN.. its still not rape. He let temptation get the better of him.. just as i did and have done many times.

Regardless of whatever boyhood fantasy might be involved, the act of an adult having sex with a minor still qualifies as rape & child abuse. Further, the teacher - from the position of power and authority - is abusing that trust given by the school system.

Shame on all of you for jumping to conclusions!

Have you ever considered for just a moment that this teacher was in love with all of these boys, and was planning to marry them in a lovely & perfectly legal ceremony, right after she scraped up enough money to move them all to San Francisco?? HmmmmMMMM???

Get your minds out of the gutter!!
:mad:

Further, the teacher - from the position of power and authority - is abusing that trust given by the school system.
What if having relations with the students is part of the school's mission statement. O_o

Shame on all of you for jumping to conclusions!

Have you ever considered for just a moment that this teacher was in love with all of these boys, and was planning to marry them in a lovely & perfectly legal ceremony, right after she scraped up enough money to move them all to San Francisco?? HmmmmMMMM???

Get your minds out of the gutter!!
:mad:

LOL, I wonder how much life insurance her hapless hubby was carrying.

PS. She's been fired, and is still in jail. It appears hubby doesn't want to spring her bail.
Wonder why THAT is??

The rape was consensual to my understanding, therefore their age, as the boys are all pubescent and the woman is nearly a full adult, is not much of an issue.
Sorry I was unclear. the part I was questioning was:
Originally Posted by Evakian
In reality, the only problem with this is their age, and since I favor the abolishment of that sort of restriction on society, I don't have a reason to be upset.
Do you mean you do not favour the protection of minors when it comes to sex?

So, according to some of the posters rape is not rape if the people all like it. The boys, at least one as young as fourteen weren't raped because they enjoyed it.

Using your logic if an adult male teacher seduces a fourteen year old girl into having sex with him and she enjoyed the experience it wasn't really rape, not even statuatory rape.

The same people who say we should not treat girls and women differently because of their sex seem to think we should treat boy and men differently because of their sex.

Young girls who enjoy having sex with older men have to be protected because............I don't know, because they are more fragile, because their psyches are not able to handle it, because they are girls and have to be protected even from themselves.

Young boys who enjoy having sex with older men don't have to be protected because......they are made of stronger stuff than girls, they have better developed psyches, they are boys and can be left to fend for themselves rather than being protected by adults.

This thread reeks of hypocricy.

""Yes, i am being a bit tongue-in-cheek...""

The "a bit" part made it unclear to me. Besides, your post created an oppurtunity to educate our posters who may not understand that antibiotics only treat bacterial infections, not viral infections.

It's funny how everyone seems to distinguish between statutory rape where a girl is the victim and statutory rape where a boy is the victim, while the law makes no such distinctions. I'm afraid I have to side against the law on this one.

So, according to some of the posters rape is not rape if the people all like it. The boys, at least one as young as fourteen weren't raped because they enjoyed it.

Exactly so. Nice to see you raise your head from the swamp of superstition for once and get a glimpse of reason and rationality.

This thread reeks of hypocricy.

With your additions, it reeks of puritanical repression and irrationality.

If a 14 or 15 yer old male did not want to have sex, his penis would not become erect and no "rape" could occur.

14 and 15 year olds do not have the maturity level to be able to make a responsible decision about whether they should have sex.

Exactly so. Nice to see you raise your head from the swamp of superstition for once and get a glimpse of reason and rationality.



With your additions, it reeks of puritanical repression and irrationality.

If a 14 or 15 yer old male did not want to have sex, his penis would not become erect and no "rape" could occur.
thanks for another cut & paste straight from the NAMBLA web page.

thanks for another cut & paste straight from the NAMBLA web page.
NAMBLA?

NAMBLA?

north
american
man
boy
lover
association

the stern show use to out them all the time. sickos!

If a 14 or 15 yer old male did not want to have sex, his penis would not become erect and no "rape" could occur.
It's too bad that's not true. Erections are involuntary.

If a 14 or 15 yer old male did not want to have sex, his penis would not become erect and no "rape" could occur.

Males that age become erect involuntarily and when the wind blows, not only when they're sexually excited. Don't you remember puberty?

14 and 15 year olds do not have the maturity level to be able to make a responsible decision about whether they should have sex.

Oh bull shit! When I was 14 and 15 I knew damn well what I wanted. Your body makes that decision for you, the only issue with responsibility is on condom use - and they drill that into you in elementary and middle school.

To clarify my last post, I think that 14/15 yr olds have the maturity to decide about sex, yet it is possible for 40-50 yr olds to take advantage of them at that age - so I do agree with age limits.

Oh bull shit! When I was 14 and 15 I knew damn well what I wanted. Your body makes that decision for you, the only issue with responsibility is on condom use - and they drill that into you in elementary and middle school.

To cite an old adage: "... a hard dick got no conscience, a wet pussy no mind ... "

Yeah, it's crude, yet accurate. A young teenage boy has little idea what he wants other than immediate gratification. An adult looking for a sexual relationship with a child is a predator, and like any other predatory creature is looking for the easiest conquest. Plain and simple.

Having thought about this a little further...it is rape because of the intent of the school teacher. What I mean by that is "rape" is never about sex, it is about control. She was not seeking sex with these boys...she was seeking power and control. Yes the boys liked it...it's sex with an older woman. But her intent was rape, (power and control) so...thus it is rape because they are a minor and she was in a position of authority which she used for her own ends.

Having thought about this a little further...it is rape because of the intent of the school teacher. What I mean by that is "rape" is never about sex, it is about control. She was not seeking sex with these boys...she was seeking power and control.

(note; not that I think what this teacher did was within a million miles of being "rape", buuut.......)

No one will ever convince me that **"rape" is never about sex**.

Nothing, IMO, could be further from the truth.

Are internal issues with control and power over others sometimes involved??

Possibly.

But the primary component is the sexual urge.

(note; not that I think what this teacher did was within a million miles of being "rape", buuut.......)

No one will ever convince me that **"rape" is never about sex**.

Nothing, IMO, could be further from the truth.

Are internal issues with control and power over others sometimes involved??

Possibly.

But the primary component is the sexual urge.

No FreeThinker, rape is never about the sexual urge. Except maybe in prison where you have males using males for sexual release and gratification. I would have to research that further.
Truly I had forgotten all of my psych stuff on rape because I never considered that was what had actually occurred here. Why? Because it involved young males. But that is just wrong.

So here are just a couple of sites that I found and some general information about myths and facts on rape. But I did not find one site that said rape is about the sexual urge. Not now and not years ago when I did research on it then.

From the website of: North Carolina Rape Crisis: http://www.rapecrisisonline.com/Myths.htm

MYTH: Rape is about sex.
FACT: Sex is the weapon used in a crime of pure violence.

MYTH: Females cannot be abusers.
FACT: Women are, quite often, the perpetrators in incidents of incest or child sexual abuse, as well as sexual abuse of other adults. Even though male sexual assault stats are low, it does happen. Imagine how hard it must be for a male to admit he was abused, when so many women will not even report it.

MYTH: Sexual abuse never involves pleasure for the victim.
FACT: Many survivors of incest and childhood sexual abuse express feelings of shame or guilt because they received some form of enjoyment from their experience. It may have been the only affection they received from the perpetrator, who is often a trusted parent, family member, or caregiver. The body naturally responds to physical touch. The pleasure experienced, however, does not make it right. The victims have been horribly violated, and they did not choose to have someone they trust sexually violate them.

MYTH: It is not sexual abuse if the victim consented.
FACT: If a person is not capable of knowing what they are getting into, they have not consented (drunk/drugged/mentally handicapped/ underage of consent…)[/B] The victim may also choose to submit to the abuse in order to protect their life or the life of someone in their family.

From: The Rape Crisis for Children and Adults: http://www.rapecrisis.com/survivor_info.htm

Myth: Rape = Sex
Fact: People commit rape for power, control and domination.
Myth: Rapists are sex-starved perverts.
Fact: Most rapists are married, or have a regular, consenting sex partner.
Myth: Men cannot be raped.
Fact: Approximately 111,000 adult men are raped in America every year
Myth: Rape is “just sex she didn’t want.”
Fact: Rape is about violence. Sex is being used as a weapon against someone’s will.

Do you mean you do not favour the protection of minors when it comes to sex?
I did not say that.
and they drill that into you in elementary and middle school.
Perhaps in California, but there isn't any form of sex education here until eighth or ninth grade and it does not include vocabulary like "condom."
No one will ever convince me that **"rape" is never about sex**.

Nothing, IMO, could be further from the truth.

Are internal issues with control and power over others sometimes involved??
While sexual desire may indeed and likely does play a role in rape, I highly doubt that is the primary cause. My father was molested by a priest at a young age, and his brother later by a man in their neighborhood. I have trouble believing that they were raped because these two men did not feel a need to dominate a weaker member of society, and that this was simply a vehicle for these sad men to sate their sexual appetities.

I even confronted a psychologist about the issue. Perhaps you should read a scholarly journal about the subject.

Freethinker,

There is an article in today's NY Post (you can Google it) about a female teacher who had sex with a thirteen year old boy. I'll bet you think that is just hunkey dory. Oh, yeah, she also had sex with a twelve year old boy. Just where do you draw the line, Freethinker.............twelve, eleven, eight, maybe five?

Oh, by the way, your NAMBLA card is up for renewal.

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Freethinker,

There is an article in today's NY Post (you can Google it) about a female teacher who had sex with a thirteen year old boy. I'll bet you think that is just hunkey dory. Oh, yeah, she also had sex with a twelve year old boy. Just where do you draw the line, Freethinker.............twelve, eleven, eight, maybe five?

Oh, by the way, your NAMBLA card is up for renewal.



What the hell does NAMBLA have to do with this?

What the hell does NAMBLA have to do with this?
it appears the FT & NAMBLA share the same position.

NAMBLA supports adults having sex with children (men and boys). Freethinker supports adults having sex with children.

NAMBLA supports adults having sex with children (men and boys). Freethinker supports adults having sex with children.
in all fairness to the King of Hot Air, that should be that he supports children having sex with adults.

NAMBLA supports adults having sex with children (men and boys). Freethinker supports adults having sex with children.
Teens he has shown to be indifferent to their having sex with adults. Why make the leap that he supports sex with 8 or 5 year olds?

Teens he has shown to be indifferent to their having sex with adults. Why make the leap that he supports sex with 8 or 5 year olds?


Bullshit. He supports thirteen year olds having sex with adults. Thirteen year olds are children. Adults having sex with thirteen year olds is sexual child abuse.

It's immoral lessons...

Thoughts on our culture:

* If this had been a 23 year old male teacher having sex with numerous 14 year old girls, we would be all for putting the bastard away for a very long time. I myself would also add that he should be castrated.
:mad:
* As it is, it's a 23 year old female teacher having sex with numerous 14 year old boys, and so now we are debating all over the place.
:hitout:
~ She needs psychological counseling for sure, but does she qualify for the same prison sentence as the male offender (in our society)? I myself believe that she does, but not because I think she damaged those horny young boys. I think she deserves the same sentence as a male offender because a legal precedent is a legal precedent. If they go easy on her, then they it will be inevitably argued in a court somewhere else that some male pedophile should get the same light sentence.
:o
~ Is the sex the big issue, or is it that she violated a sacred trust to look out for the welfare of her students? (Same thing with drill sergeants banging the basic-trainees under their care. If I sat on a court-martial for a drill instructor who had violated that same trust, I would vote to send them to Leavenworth for 20 years.) In the case of this stupid young teacher, the sex was merely the vehicle by which she demonstrated her immaturity and mental instability.
:confused:
~ We are all adults debating this issue, from the perspective of age, experience, and wisdom. Truthfully though, most of us males would have gone to town on a hot-biscuit 23 year old teacher who offered-up the poon tang to us when we were 14. I know I would have, and I would not be scarred or damaged in the least.
:banana:
* Is Anna Nicole Smith still dead? I haven’t been watching the news much lately, and I just wanted to make sure nothing had changed on that front. Thank you.
:@@:

The boys get to have sex with a hot older woman.
They get A's in the class.
And they're probably seen as supercool in their class.
It's like a wet dream come alive. How awful!

Still, regardless on how I feel on this subject, I'm in agreement with the law in that the woman abused her position of power and seduced a minor; thus, she should be punished. Whether the boys enjoyed it or not is irrelevant.

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Bullshit. He supports thirteen year olds having sex with adults. Thirteen year olds are children. Adults having sex with thirteen year olds is sexual child abuse.
By what measure are thirteen year olds children? They're teenagers.

Now, why did you jump to 8 year olds or 5 year olds when FT did not indicate pedophilia was okay?

Actually I don't think Freethinker said anything about age at all. I think he merely differentiates between a teenage boy and a teenaged girl. In our society we do view it differently although there are cultures all over the world that do not. I myself think their brains are wired differently but still believe the teacher is one sick puppy, it should not have happened, it had nothing to do with sex from the teachers vantage point and some of those boys may well regret it later, thus they were violated.

By what measure are thirteen year old adults, Evakian?

They are considered children by the laws of this country.

They can't take medicine in school, not even aspirin, without parental permission and the school nurse has to dispense it.

Their names are not given to the newspapers when they commit a crime.

Their criminal records are expunged when they reach age eighteen.

They cannot see an R rated movie unless in the presence of a parent or guardian.

They can't vote.

They can't purchase liquor.

They can't purchase cigarettes.

They don't need a license to fish.

They can't get a driver's license.

They cannot legally marry in most states and in those where they may they need parental permission.

They cannot enlist in the armed forces.


The list of things that show they are considered children goes on and on, Evakian.

The list of things that show they are considered children goes on and on, Evakian.
Only if "minor" is synonymous with "child." They're teenagers, they're pubescent; there is a difference between these boys or a 5 year old having sex with the teacher..

Actually I don't think Freethinker said anything about age at all. I think he merely differentiates between a teenage boy and a teenaged girl.

So he's also a sexist.

If you believe boys and girls are different you should have no trouble believing girls should be kept in the kitchen and not allowed on sports teams. Girls should be forced to take home economics instead of shop.

Women shouldn't be allowed to enlist in the military or be cops or irefighters.

Either males and females are equal or they aren't. You can't have it both ways and say they are equal when you like it and unequal when you don't. A sex crime is a sex crime regardless of the sex of the victim and the perpetrator.

Originally Posted by Evakian
In reality, the only problem with this is their age, and since I favor the abolishment of that sort of restriction on society, I don't have a reason to be upset.

Do you mean you do not favour the protection of minors when it comes to sex?

I did not say that.

Okay, sorry. Can you explain what you mean by abolishing that restriction on society? Which restriction are you referring to?

Okay, sorry. Can you explain what you mean by abolishing that restriction on society? Which restriction are you referring to?
The lowest age of consent in any state here in the US is 16.

People are capable of and desire to have sex earlier than that, and likely follow through with that capabilitiy and desire.

"The government which governs best is that which governs least."

People are capable of and desire to have sex earlier than that, and likely follow through with that capabilitiy and desire.

Which is exactly why they need to be protected from predators. A 23 year-old teacher trying to sleep with 14 year-olds certainly qualifies as being predatory.

Why would a teacher sleep with 14 year-olds? Older men would (hopefully) have a better idea on how to please her. She's preying on the fact that these kids are horny.

Actually I don't think Freethinker said anything about age at all. I think he merely differentiates between a teenage boy and a teenaged girl.

So he's also a sexist.

If you believe boys and girls are different you should have no trouble believing girls should be kept in the kitchen and not allowed on sports teams. Girls should be forced to take home economics instead of shop.

Women shouldn't be allowed to enlist in the military or be cops or irefighters.

Either males and females are equal or they aren't. You can't have it both ways and say they are equal when you like it and unequal when you don't. A sex crime is a sex crime regardless of the sex of the victim and the perpetrator.

I don’t know if he is sexist or not. I can tell you I have never in all the time I have been here seen a single post from him which would indicate that he is.

I do believe boys and girls are different. Men and women are different especially sexually; men are visual, women are not. They are also equal, different, but equal. Should they be treated the same? Loaded question which must be answered according to the situation.

Unless a girl has been sexually compromised at a young age she is not overt with her sexuality. Having been a teacher and an administrator you know with certainty that this is true. A young girl who dresses provocatively, wears heavy makeup and tight clothes and walks and talks and displays herself is not looking for sex. She is looking for the love she is missing out on from daddy. She has also been taught by some predator at an early age that her body is her ticket for attention. You must have been taught to look for the signs Frogger.

Boys on the other hand have a different attitude towards their sexuality.

This is not an issue or a debate about the equality of the sexes. Perhaps you should inquire of him whether or not the teacher should be punished equal to the male. I think that is a better indicator of someone’s attitude towards early teenage sex/molestation/rape.

The lowest age of consent in any state here in the US is 16.

People are capable of and desire to have sex earlier than that, and likely follow through with that capabilitiy and desire.

"The government which governs best is that which governs least."

I like your age of consent. Here in Canada it is 14 if the kids are age approximate. That is too young for the responsibility and possible consequences of sex. No 14 year old child should have to decide whether or not they should birth or abort a fetus. It is ludicrous. No 14 year old boy should be forced to support a child at that age. None the less, it happens. When kids come from a functional home I do not believe they act on their desires or at least rarely.

The lowest age of consent in any state here in the US is 16.



That's factually incorrect. The lowest age of consent for any state is around 14. .