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The dingaling
02-28-2007, 09:05 AM
but his nature is the most violent and murderous force in the universe.

Real Sorceror
02-28-2007, 09:12 AM
Ya, ya, we know.

The dingaling
02-28-2007, 09:31 AM
Ya, ya, we know.

That is gratifying to hear.

Sparky2
03-01-2007, 05:40 AM
Sort of like Robin Williams and Jeffrey Dahmer all rolled up into one, then.
Thanks for clearing that up!
:thumbs:

mikezila
03-01-2007, 12:02 PM
but his nature is the most violent and murderous force in the universe.
and what does that tell you about those created in his image?

The dingaling
03-01-2007, 04:33 PM
Thay had best go civil service.

Sparky2
03-01-2007, 04:43 PM
True, this.

~Sal~
03-01-2007, 04:50 PM
but his nature is the most violent and murderous force in the universe.

Yin and yang???

Napsterbater
03-01-2007, 06:48 PM
There's a concept the Christian religion needs!

Darth Be'lal
03-04-2007, 12:30 AM
but his nature is the most violent and murderous force in the universe.

So, you just discovered that they are forces bigger than mankind?


Dammit.

mikezila
03-04-2007, 01:09 AM
There's a concept the Christian religion needs!
God & Satan, Christ & Anti-Christ, Virtue & Sin, Good & Evil?

Evakian
03-04-2007, 05:35 AM
God & Satan, Christ & Anti-Christ, Virtue & Sin, Good & Evil?
The first of all these pairs is more desirable than the second or much more potent.
Yin and yang???
Those concepts are not ones of good and evil, but feminine and masculine traits of the universe that compliment each other, either that or I have been misinformed many a time about the true nature of this idea. Feminine traits are passive and receptive while masculine traits are creative and active. They live in a symbiotic relationships and do not claim superiority over the other.

Thislin
03-04-2007, 06:11 AM
Those concepts are not ones of good and evil, but feminine and masculine traits of the universe that compliment each other, either that or I have been misinformed many a time about the true nature of this idea. Feminine traits are passive and receptive while masculine traits are creative and active. They live in a symbiotic relationships and do not claim superiority over the other.

It sounds like you are talking Yin and Yang, and I would interject to say I have a slightly different understanding.

As you say, good and evil are not liked with male and female, and even male and female are presented as illustration, not reality. (Good and evil are not in the traditional Buddhist vocabulary--at least in the Christian sense--words sometimes translated that way are usually better translated as "help" and "harm.")

The yin and yang opposites (in the Buddhist tradition--by no means the only tradition with these symbols) are life and death, help and harm, pleasure and suffering, satiation and desire, peace and war, dominance and submission (sometimes linked with masculine and feminine, but I think this view is a bit sexist), and success and failure.

They come and go as comes and goes a wheel, with always a little of the one present even when the other dominates (look at the Korean representation and imagine it rotating). They do not oppose each other since the one would not exist without the other.

It was (according to legend) Zoroaster who first taught an eternal nature of both good and evil, but he conceived them as involved in an eternal war, with neither ever able to prevail, the world being in a cyclic state where one would prevail for an epoch followed by the other. The Christian world view descends from these Persian ideas, although when attached to Semitic monotheism, the world of evil had to be made temporary.