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HaVoK
08-25-2003, 10:52 AM
The last 10 years there has been a huge influx of latino's into our country. Not only has our country refused to hunt down the illegal's but we have adapted our own customs to suite same. Dont speak the language? No problemba......we'll change our ATM's to include spanish. Dont speak the language? No problemba.....we'll include a spanish subtitle in all our movies and sporting events on tv. Dont speak the language? No problemba.......we'll give you the money to create spanish markets where you dont have to use the english language to purchase anything. The list goes on.

Well, that said, Las Vegas of all places has come up with a revolutionary way of dealing with people who want jobs who dont speak the language. They train them in English. If the person cannot or does not learn the language within a time frame, they do not have a job. Isnt that remarkable? The answer is "NO". This is the way it had always been up until the last 10 odd years or so. In the article below they talk about how strange it is that 60 year old immigrants have less trouble learning the language than young children in public schools. I dont find it strange at all. The older people have something the children do not have; incintive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95507,00.html

mad dog
08-25-2003, 11:51 AM
What I hate is when I buy somehting at the store get it home start looking at the instructions and they are in 25 languages.

Age
08-26-2003, 04:08 AM
It's why I'm thankful every day that when I read something it's either in English, or in French.

Get a tin of pinapple, or a tin of anana... six and one half dozen of the other. But if it's not a national language, why is it on my yogurt?

HaVoK
08-26-2003, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Age
It's why I'm thankful every day that when I read something it's either in English, or in French.

Get a tin of pinapple, or a tin of anana... six and one half dozen of the other. But if it's not a national language, why is it on my yogurt? lol...i couldnt agree with you more....

es347fan
08-26-2003, 02:31 PM
Either speak Amerenglish, or hit the road is my viewpoint. If you're going to live in the United States, then you better damn well learn to converse in the language of the land. Living here means becoming American, not turning your new neighborhood into the western hemisphere outpost of your native land.

LionelHutz
08-26-2003, 06:54 PM
The ironic thing is that most immigrants want their children to learn English, and the liberals turn around and try to teach their children in their native tongue.

astrapol2
08-27-2003, 04:21 AM
I agree that people who live in the same country should all speak the same language. This is absolutely necessary if we want a society whithout ghettoes.

Native languages and culture should not be neglected anyway.
Here in France we usually have the absolute opposite attitude : only French is used in all administrations, and immigrants who do not speak french correctly have many difficulties. The main problem is between second generation immigrants, whose main language is french, and their parents who keep on speaking their native language at home. These kids have many problems at school since their parents can't help them and can't communicate well with them.

Some experiments have been conducted with kids from north-African origin, who have been teached Arab in school (French being the main language for all other lessons). They proved to have better results than other immigrant kids.

My position would be : only one official language for everyone (or two in countries like Canada or Belgium) but some help for people from different origins so that the transition to the new language is easy and does not cause some problems between generations.

mad dog
08-27-2003, 08:03 AM
I was watching a show on TLC(?), it was about cops in Florida, they were saying that it was a must that the cops speak Spanish. Maybe Borg knows more about this? I thought it was total BS.You could be the cop of the year but because you don't speak another language you can't get a job.

astrapol2
08-27-2003, 08:58 AM
If speaking spanish helps them to do their job properly, that makes sense. One may disapprove the fact that many people in Florida speak only spanish but it is still a fact.

HaVoK
08-27-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by astrapol2
If speaking spanish helps them to do their job properly, that makes sense. One may disapprove the fact that many people in Florida speak only spanish but it is still a fact. Fact or not, there is one fact that should not be ignored. English is the national language of this country. If you do not speak it, then you should be forced to learn. If people cannot get a job as a police officer in Florida because they dont speak spanish then that is bullsh#t.

mad dog
08-27-2003, 10:08 AM
Why make the English speaking cop suffer because of the person that won't learn the proper language. Either speak the native tongue or GET THE F OUT it is that simple.

mad dog
08-27-2003, 10:11 AM
I remeber when I was younger that if there were a group of people talking in a different language in public then they were asked to leave or talk the native tongue. Does anyone else remember this (es347fan)? I think this would be a good law to bring back especially after 9/11.

BorgHunter
08-27-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by mad dog
I remeber when I was younger that if there were a group of people talking in a different language in public then they were asked to leave or talk the native tongue. Does anyone else remember this (es347fan)? I think this would be a good law to bring back especially after 9/11.
That is total B.S. Then we become an oppressive dictatorship. I can understand and partially agree with laws requiring all citizens or even aliens to have a working knowledge of English, but to arrest someone for speaking a different language...they do that in Iraq.

es347fan
08-27-2003, 03:57 PM
I remember being in elementary school with children of various refugees from WWII, which had ended less than 10 years earlier. I don't remember language being an issue, they wanted to be Americans & get into the "American Dream" as quickly as possible. Many of those refugees were simply known as "D P's" or Displaced Persons. The countries they came from had been erased from the maps drawn following the cessation of hostilities, or existed behind the Iron Curtain.
Not speaking Amerienglish became more of an issue in the military. I've seen various individuals & groups chastised for speaking in their native tongues while in uniform & on official business. That made sense. How many times have things, of all sorts, "...been lost in translation..."?
Regardless of their native tongue, once they emigrate to the U.S. and decide to stay, they need to become fluent in the language of the land.
If it takes an act of Congress to make Amerienglish the official language of this country, then let it be so. Official communications should be handled in one language, not 2, or 20.

HaVoK
08-27-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by mad dog
I remeber when I was younger that if there were a group of people talking in a different language in public then they were asked to leave or talk the native tongue. Does anyone else remember this (es347fan)? I think this would be a good law to bring back especially after 9/11. Was it actually against the law? Or was it simply considered "bad manners" to be in america and to carry on a conversation in another language while in public?

es347fan
08-27-2003, 07:03 PM
I think it fell into the category of 'bad manners', rather than being written law. The chaos resulting from such a law does not paint a pretty mental image.

mad dog
08-28-2003, 03:52 PM
Havok I'm not sure But I did see an officer of the law tell some one to speak english or they would have to leave.


Borg I'm not saying tell them they can never speak there language, that would be assinine. I'm just saying when they are out in public in a crowd then speak the native tongue. Plus I'm sure it must piss the cops off when they pull Heebob over and he can't speak a lick off english. Not to mention you go to wally world (wal-mart) and you have to wait in line because some prick in line doesn't speak enough english to figure out what a discount is. Plus what about these Iraqi's in the airports walking around talking in there native tongue, must scare some of the people?